Gun-rights testimony from a communism survivor: “You don’t know what freedom is, because you’ve never lost it”

posted at 2:41 pm on April 8, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

I am always amazed — amazed — when anyone has the gall to dismiss, even laugh off, the suggestion that the right to keep and bear arms is a smart and necessary provision for a free society. Human history (not to mention current events!) is too chock-full of examples of nefarious regimes violently abusing and controlling their people, and the freedoms enjoyed by American citizens are the exception, not the rule. During a committee hearing of the Oregon state senate in considering their own state package of gun-control legislation last week, one testifier reminded the assembled lawmakers of one of the Second Amendment’s most crucial purposes, and of the real-world consequences of neglecting that purpose.

This guy.

In 1957 a Revolution … individuals … malicious individuals, masquerading as Democrats, revolutionaries, established a regime … a dictatorial regime … in my nation.  Called Communism, Socialism, Stalinism, Marxism, and whatever other named -ism you want to put on it.  The reason why it was done was to take away the guns from the People.   The right of the People to wear guns.  That is a God-given Right.  It’s not given by anybody.  It’s not given by any group.   It’s the same thing as freedom, which is a God-given Right.  And no one, absolutely no one, has the authority to take it away.  To cease to defend the Second Amendment, and my God-given Right of freedom, will cease only with my death.

I’ve been through it.  I’ve been there.  You people don’t know what freedom is because you never lost it.  You haven’t been tortured.  You haven’t been [sic] assassinations, you haven’t been mothers begging for the life of their son not to be killed because the only reason is they wanted to be free.  And they killed the mothers and they killed the son.

So my way to protest, the way to oppose, because if we keep tangling with the Second Amendment, we are open the same way that Cuba was open for Communism.  China, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Venezuela, on and on.  A dictatorial regime that will destroy this country, in the same way that it destroyed those ones that I mentioned to you.

Powerful.


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1) Ask Native American how well it worked out for them after the Federal Government took away their guns.

2) Post civil war, southern Democrats attempted to forbid freed slaves and others from owning guns because they were afraid that they would have the audacity to fight back when being lynched by the Democrat’s buddies in the KKK.

3)1942. 120,000 Japanese Americans and 12,000 German and Italian Americans had their guns taken way so that they could be put in armed camps and their property stolen. Done by Executive Order from a Democrat president.

It has happened in this country before, always following gun control.

There is no cause that one can think of that has a deeper, more malevolent history of racism and genocide.

kurtzz3 on April 8, 2013 at 3:01 PM

KATRINA aftermath. Recent enough for everyone?

landowner on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Australia has enacted the most stringent gun control reforms, yet any tourist will tell you that it’s a flourishing democracy.
Again, not a great argument for the 2nd Amendment.

bayam on April 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Why is your ideal to be sheeple?

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Why is your ideal to be sheeple?

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:00 PM

He lives in Canada.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 4:01 PM

kim roy on April 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Well said, but you’re wasting electrons on that one.

By the way, did you see this story, related to another recent discussion?

novaculus on April 8, 2013 at 4:01 PM

they’re man-given, imbecile. i don’t recognize any law as divine.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Then you can’t have them. That’s the bar you set for the 2nd Amendment.

right, god-given. if you can prove it, you can have it.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM

It therefore applies to all the others.

As a matter of fact, you no longer have the right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness either. After all, those are things we all got from the “Creator”.

Host an Article V convention if you’re unhappy with our founding documents and the rights they enshrine.

Washington Nearsider on April 8, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Prove you’ve got a right to free speech, free birth control, abortion on demand et al.

Washington Nearsider on April 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM

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they’re man-given, imbecile. i don’t recognize any law as divine.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

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Doesn’t wash, sesqui’. Every atheist IS their own “god”.
The fact that you don’t refer to yourself that way, changes nothing.

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

The actual reason it was done, is ___________________________
(fill in the blank)

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM

to do away with the tyrannical batista regime?

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Anybody who doesn’t understand what happens when they lose their freedom should read this excellent new book:

Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe 1944-1956 By Anne Applebaum

In the long-awaited follow-up to her Pulitzer Prize-winning Gulag, acclaimed journalist Anne Applebaum delivers a groundbreaking history of how Communism took over Eastern Europe after World War II and transformed in frightening fashion the individuals who came under its sway.

http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Curtain-Crushing-Eastern-1944-1956/dp/0385515693/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365449796&sr=8-1&keywords=iron+curtain

I just finished reading it this weekend after seeing it recommended by another HotAir commenter. (A BIG thank you to whoever originally posted the info about this book!)

WOW! This impeccably well researched book is a real eye opener! And some of the similarities with the early stages of what we are seeing here now are absolutely chilling.

wren on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

They are human sewage.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 8, 2013 at 3:52 PM

No, they are rats in the latrines, enjoying the slush they dwell in.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM

The fact that you don’t refer to yourself that way, changes nothing.

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Oh, but he does. Usually when dancing naked in front of a mirror with it tucked between his legs.

CurtZHP on April 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM

they’re man-given, imbecile. i don’t recognize any law as divine.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

So your right to live can be taken away from you. Your right to your property can be taken away from you. What man giveth, man can taketh away.

Bitter Clinger on April 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM

to do away with the tyrannical batista regime?

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

To replace it with an even worse one.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:04 PM

WOW! This impeccably well researched book is a real eye opener! And some of the similarities with the early stages of what we are seeing here now are absolutely chilling.

wren on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Tyranny can’t happen here.

Just ask the human sewage from the Left.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Then you can’t have them. That’s the bar you set for the 2nd Amendment.

unintelligible balderdash.

As a matter of fact, you no longer have the right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness either. After all, those are things we all got from the “Creator”.

Host an Article V convention if you’re unhappy with our founding documents and the rights they enshrine.

Washington Nearsider on April 8, 2013 at 4:01 PM

you’re deeply confused. first, we don’t base laws on fairy tales. second, i got my laws from those who put them in the books.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

right, god-given. if you can prove it, you can have it.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Come on over to my house and try a B&E. I’ll set up a personal meeting between you and Him and you can ask Him yourself.

GWB on April 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

right, god-given. if you can prove it, you can have it.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM

I can have it? Who’s going to take it away from me in the first place? you?

Come and take it.

ShadowsPawn on April 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

No, they are rats in the latrines, enjoying the slush they dwell in.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM

I prefer to equate them to human shit.

That’s what I think of them.

They are the enemy.

They should be roundly ignored on HotAir.

They are a stench.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 8, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Australia has enacted the most stringent gun control reforms, yet any tourist will tell you that it’s a flourishing democracy.
Again, not a great argument for the 2nd Amendment.

bayam on April 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Then, move to Australia. No one will miss you.

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Obama feeds on carion, as he usually does. May he and his azzkissers suffocate from it.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

So your right to live can be taken away from you. Your right to your property can be taken away from you. What man giveth, man can taketh away.

Bitter Clinger on April 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM

my rights have nothing to do with the baby jesus. i have a right to live because without it society can not function.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Not the Jews who escaped Sobibor by overpowering their guards, killing them, and using their guns in a mass break out.

And not the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto would fought back with smuggled-in guns.

And not the Jews in the American military who went armed with guns, grenades, bazookas, tanks, flame throwers, and bombers to liberate Europe.

That kind of offensive keeps you alive.

profitsbeard on April 8, 2013 at 3:18 PM

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Most of my Jewish friends’ parents who had tattoos on their arms courtesy of the Nazis would have spit in the eye of the various trolls on this thread …

… the rest would have given them a physical demonstration of what “Never again” meant.

PolAgnostic on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

to do away with the tyrannical batista regime?

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Do you wear your Che shirt to gun control rallies?

Talking about a walking oxymoron.

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Not balderdash at all. You stated, quite clearly, that we could have our 2nd Amendment rights if we could prove we got them from God. That same standard should be therefore applied to all the Amendments.

You do not recognize rights endowed by our Creator. Fine. You don’t have the right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.

Man didn’t provide those things to you, men merely documentmented the fact that those rights have been granted by the Creator and can not be infringed.

If you reject that – which you plainly stated you do – they no longer apply.

Fine by me.

Washington Nearsider on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

So, let me get this straight. Just because there are dozens of cases of government taking guns away from people, then terrorising those people, that doesn’t mean it’ll ever happen here?

Tell me, liberals, what do you think will happen to you if a bunch of right-wing Bible-thumping thugs take over? You don’t fear us knocking on your door in the middle of the night? If for no other reason, you should oppose gun restrictions in order to protect yourselves from the ghost of Reagan, or whatever other conservative bogeyman you use to scare votes out of the weak.

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

they’re man-given, imbecile. i don’t recognize any law as divine.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

If there are no natural law rights then there are no rights at all, only privileges. And privileges can be revoked.

Natural Law, Communism and Lots of Dead People

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

The actual reason it was done, is ___________________________
(fill in the blank)

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM

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to do away with the tyrannical batista regime?

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

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Damn … I stand corrected, you’re RIGHT.

It worked, Batista’s gone … what more could anyone ask for?

I concede the argument to you; you won fair and square. Your reply is right-on.

BATISTA IS GONE !

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

my rights have nothing to do with the baby jesus. i have a right to live because without it society can not function.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I think we would get along just fine without you.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

You do not recognize rights endowed by our Creator. Fine. You don’t have the right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.

Man didn’t provide those things to you, men merely documentmented the fact that those rights have been granted by the Creator and can not be infringed.

Washington Nearsider on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

That’s why communist regimes plan society down to the level of controlling child births, killing and eliminating whole groups of people they deem inferior, and literally destroying opposition groups. If you don’t have God-given rights, then anyone with enough force can take away your freedom, your wealth, and your life.

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

I can have it? Who’s going to take it away from me in the first place? you?

Come and take it.

ShadowsPawn on April 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

i phrased it wrong. if you can prove that god has granted us the right to bear arms, i’ll be gun rights supporter #1.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

In 1957 a Revolution … individuals … malicious individuals, masquerading as Democrats, revolutionaries, established a regime … a dictatorial regime … in my nation.

I hate break it to you….they weren’t masquerading as anything. That’s who democrats are.

A past life in a communist nation doesn’t preclude a person from idiocy.

bayam

Being a liberal however is apparently a free pass to be all stupid, all the time. And you take advantage of it as often as possible.

xblade on April 8, 2013 at 4:13 PM

my rights have nothing to do with the baby jesus. i have a right to live because without it society can not function.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

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So you’re fine with a society that can force you to live under whatever rules the the rulers care to impose? You’re fine with a society that says that you can be killed if your existence doesn’t mesh with their vision of a better world?

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

if you can prove that god has granted us the right to bear arms, i’ll be gun rights supporter #1.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

If you can prove that god has granted you the right to free speech, I’ll be sesqui supporter #1.

Washington Nearsider on April 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Tyranny can’t happen here.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Alas, I have several friends who actually sincerely believe this.

That they haven’t learned anything from the experience of their grandparents who were lucky enough to escape from various parts of Eastern Europe and in one case China, is astounding.

We neeed to hear more lessons from brave people like the gentleman from Cuba in the video above.

wren on April 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

i have a right to live because without it society can not function.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Actually, society can get along quite nicely without you. And if you don’t see the fundamental danger in your philosophy in the sentence I just wrote, then you are truly blind.

If there are no natural law rights then there are no rights at all, only privileges. And privileges can be revoked.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Amen.

GWB on April 8, 2013 at 4:15 PM

you’re deeply confused. first, we don’t base laws on fairy tales. second, i got my laws from those who put them in the books.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

First nonintelligent and now you. You trolls really don’t do yourselves any favors when you demonstrate such incredible ignorance of rights and law.

“Man … must necessarily be subject to the laws of his Creator.. This will of his Maker is called the law of nature…. This law of nature…is of course superior to any other…. No human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force…from this original.” – Sir William Blackstone (Eminent English Jurist)

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 4:15 PM

My grandfather in Hungary was kidnapped, tortured & killed at the hands of those communist bastards. My grandmother & her sister raped. My father, who defected to the US several years before, exacted revenge the only way he could. After making his contribution to the space program, he turned to weaponry design, with his creations being employed on the battlefield from Viet Nam to Fallujah.

We’re soft and that gentlemen in the video is correct. If we allow what’s left of freedom to vanish, we’re finished. And the US will have become no different than the country my father escaped from. It’s absurd and stunningly naive to believe that just because this is America, we’re exempt from tyranny.

And bayam, you’re simply an idiot. And not a very useful one, at that.

av8tr on April 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

BATISTA IS GONE !

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

this dude clearly argues that the revolution took place in order to take people’s guns away, which is a risible suggestion. in any case, you asked me to complete the sentence and i did.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

If there are no natural law rights then there are no rights at all, only privileges. And privileges can be revoked.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

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Amen.

GWB on April 8, 2013 at 4:15 PM

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Dittos.

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

So you’re fine with a society that can force you to live under whatever rules the the rulers care to impose? You’re fine with a society that says that you can be killed if your existence doesn’t mesh with their vision of a better world?

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

no. hence i choose to live in a democracy.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

BATISTA IS GONE !

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

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this dude clearly argues that the revolution took place in order to take people’s guns away, which is a risible suggestion. in any case, you asked me to complete the sentence and i did.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

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I believe you were BOTH proven correct, in the end.

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

They’ll just lay back and enjoy the ‘rape’.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

you’re deeply confused. first, we don’t base laws on fairy tales. second, i got my laws from those who put them in the books.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

“those who put them in the books” laregly believed that a higher power had a set of rules that could be ascertained by thoughtfully observing the world around us.

If those guys were stupid believers in fairy tales, why do you follow their laws?

The sanction against killing is a religious one. Why do you choose to follow that law?

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

no. hence i choose to live in a democracy.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Enjoy that hell reprobate.

tom daschle concerned on April 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

they’re man-given, imbecile. i don’t recognize any law as divine.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

What any man can give, any man can remove.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:22 PM

no. hence i choose to live in a democracy.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Un, then you’re living in the wrong country because we’re a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

It wouldn’t matter but you would be too stupid to understand the meaning of a “constitutional republic.” Only adults would understand.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Prove you’ve got a right to free speech, free birth control, abortion on demand et al.
Washington Nearsider on April 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM

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they’re man-given, imbecile. i don’t recognize any law as divine.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Even if you don’t recognize divine law there is the law of nature, or doesn’t the Declaration mean anything to you?

HiJack on April 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Australia has enacted the most stringent gun control reforms, yet any tourist will tell you that it’s a flourishing democracy.
Again, not a great argument for the 2nd Amendment.

bayam on April 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM

And yet the radical banning of guns brought none of the promised benefits.

The regime in Germany that banned guns was not the Nazis, but the Nazis took advantage of those laws to take power and repress its enemies. It’s not today’s governments we necessarily need to worry about, but the one after that, or the one after that. Can gun ban proponents guarantee our guns will never be needed? Will they bet their life that they won’t? Because they’re certainly betting the lives of future generations on that belief, and the belief runs against historical experience.

Socratease on April 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

you’re deeply confused. first, we don’t base laws on fairy tales. second, i got my laws from those who put them in the books.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

And the current “law on the book” clearly states that the government may not infringe on our right to bear arms. Yet you ignore that very clear law.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

no. hence i choose to live in a democracy.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

You say that like voting is what keeps government from seizing your property and locking you in a gulag. But Hitler was made Chancellor by an elected President. Without a widespread belief in rights derived from a higher power, any Democracy is subject to being taken over by anyone power-hungry and ruthless enough to do it.

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

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What any man can give, any man can remove.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:22 PM

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Why is it so difficult for some people to perceive that?

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

What any man can give, any man can remove.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Liberals believe – as an article of faith (no matter what Sesqui says) in the inherent benevolence of government.

Washington Nearsider on April 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Australia has enacted the most stringent gun control reforms, yet any tourist will tell you that it’s a flourishing democracy.
Again, not a great argument for the 2nd Amendment.

bayam on April 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM

And any citizen would tell you that crime has skyrocketed. So, yes, it is a great argument for the Second Amendment.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:24 PM

A man who is completely ignorant of natural law chooses nothing. He was born here and takes his rights for granted. If he ever had to defend his rights he would be the first one sh!tting his pants and trying to worm his way into the good graces of those threatening his rights.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM

they’re man-given, imbecile. i don’t recognize any law as divine.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

You don’t have to recognise them as god-given, but natural rights are different than laws. The Founders recognised this, as has the Court.

As to the right to bear arms, it can be found in English common law preceding the founding of the US.

If you don’t like the Second Amendment, REPEAL IT; otherwise, shut up or move.

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

i got my laws from those who put them in the books.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

What is a book? It is but a temporary thing, that crumbles to dust in a few centuries it, is, NOTHING. And where are those men who wrote those books? They are just as those books one day also will be, returning to the dust from whence they came.

You have nothing to support your assertions save the temporary monopoly on violence that the government of today holds. Between Joesph Stalin and Mao Tse-tung those two managed to plant nearly half a billion graves, populated by innocent people, and fools like you.

Those laws you claim are required to support society only hold sway so long as someone fights to keep them in place. If more people or stronger people fight to overthrow them, then they disappear from the face of the earth.

The freedoms that American’s enjoy, those very laws you pathetically attempt to hide behind are not the historical norm for the human race, they are a profound exception. Over 95% of human history is indisputably documented as being periods of time where the weak and the meek are subjugated by the ruthless and strong. Where the only rights that the average person have are to die a painful death after being exploited used and abused.

If you think that history is any different than that, you are not only a fool, but a damned imbecile as well.

SWalker on April 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

…why do you people feed sesquistupid? Or that dunderhead, Bayam? The fact that this moron linked a story to support his argument, but it actually COUNTERS it, says all you need to know!

Snitchmo on April 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Why is it so difficult for some people to perceive that?

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Because liberals are the most selfish, the most egotistical. They actually believe that laws and facts are for their personal benefit.

In other words, they believe that laws are to be ignored when it conflicts with their religions. Yes, it is a religion because it is purely based upon faith. You can easily tell by reading the pathetic arguments they’re making against the 2nd Amendment.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM

if you can prove that god has granted us the right to bear arms, i’ll be gun rights supporter #1.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Do you have a right to exist? Not does your city, your state, your country, but you as an individual? If you have a right to exist then you have the right to defend that existence when it is threatened, and you have the right to the tools to do so effectively.

The government will not protect your right to exist. Google for all the failed lawsuits against the government for failing to prevent someone from being murdered. If you don’t have the right to protect yourself then there is no one else that will do so, and your life is forfeit if it suits the needs of the state.

Socratease on April 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Liberals believe – as an article of faith (no matter what Sesqui says) in the inherent benevolence of government.

Washington Nearsider on April 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I wonder how many of the people waiting to be loaded onto railcars headed to Auschwitz had once held the same belief?

If more Germans had guns, Hitler may not have succeeded. And if more Germans took the Bible to heart, Hitler may not have succeeded. So it would seem that the combination of lack of religious conviction and lack of armament is a dangerous one. Good thing that combo could never take place in ‘Merica.

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

if you can prove that god has granted us the right to bear arms, i’ll be gun rights supporter #1.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Is it the “God” part or the second amedment part you’re objecting to?

Let’s go through it without religous reference just for fun. Every creature from single-celled through dogs and cats to humans has the right to defend itself by whatever means it is able to employ. i.e. every living creature has the right to both live and defend that life. For tool making humans that is extended to defending that life with the most effective means possible and from all enemies, local and governmental.

If your argument is that this right can’t be proven to be given by God, that’s a matter of belief. But if is not your belief then what is? That the natural right to life and to defend it comes from man or the artificial governance he’s created? If that is the case you have my sincere simpathy. But in my book no man or his government has the NATURAL right to take my life, those of my family, or our property. Nature, whether you believe in a creator or not, both predates and rules over man. To deny that shows both the arrogance and shortsightedness of the political left.

God Bless.

James Moriarty on April 8, 2013 at 4:32 PM

“those who put them in the books” laregly believed that a higher power had a set of rules that could be ascertained by thoughtfully observing the world around us.

they believed a quite a few things that were incorrect, but you need to consider the times they lived in.

If those guys were stupid believers in fairy tales, why do you follow their laws?

because the laws are largely good, whatever motivated their makers.

The sanction against killing is a religious one. Why do you choose to follow that law?

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

no, it’s a moral one. i feel compelled not to harm another human being without cause – even though god doesn’t exist and if he did, i’d want to kill him and piss on his grave.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:32 PM

We’re not a democracy, jackwad.

wolly4321 on April 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

So you’re fine with a society that can force you to live under whatever rules the the rulers care to impose? You’re fine with a society that says that you can be killed if your existence doesn’t mesh with their vision of a better world?

hawksruleva on April 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

no. hence i choose to live in a democracy.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

So did Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.

BTW, you don’t live in a democracy. You live in a constitutional republic. If you lived in a democracy, a majority of people could vote to enslave you and takeaway all of your rights.

Democracies commit suicide.

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

they’re man-given, imbecile. i don’t recognize any law as divine.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

The problem is that liberals truly believe that they’re superior to the American people. If liberals really believed in gun control then they would have screamed the loudest about “Fast and Furious” yet they’re silent on that atrocity.

People like sesquipedalian celebrate death and destruction because that only advances their agenda. Notice not one liberal is touting the success of gun control in Chicago.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Socratease on April 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

did you click ‘submit’ too early? because i can’t see the proof part.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

BTW, you don’t live in a democracy. You live in a constitutional republic. If you lived in a democracy, a majority of people could vote to enslave you and takeaway all of your rights.

Democracies commit suicide.

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

i live in a goddamn democracy and if you don’t like it, get the hell out. the system of government is a republic, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

if you can prove that god has granted us the right to bear arms, i’ll be gun rights supporter #1.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

No you won’t. You’ll dismiss any logical argument that is brought forth.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:35 PM

We’re not a democracy, jackwad.

wolly4321 on April 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

yes we are.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM

no. hence i choose to live in a democracy.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Then you must not live in the USA.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM

You’ll dismiss any logical argument that is brought forth.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:35 PM

you haven’t any.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

i live in a goddamn democracy and if you don’t like it, get the hell out. the system of government is a republic, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

You shouldn’t rely on your imaginary friends for obtaining facts. A republic is clearly different than a democracy.

Like I said before, you just proved that only adults understand the difference.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

yes we are.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Shhh, don’t repeat this. It’ll make you appear stupid.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

i live in a goddamn democracy and if you don’t like it, get the hell out. the system of government is a republic, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Facepalm. If you lived in a democracy, we could vote to take ALL of your rights away.

Why are you so stupid?

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM

i live in a goddamn democracy and if you don’t like it, get the hell out. the system of government is a republic, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Not in the United States you don’t, the United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. But, then again, you are a narcissistic fool who clearly cannot comprehend the difference between a Constitutional Republic and a Democracy.

SWalker on April 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM

BTW, you don’t live in a democracy. You live in a constitutional republic. If you lived in a democracy, a majority of people could vote to enslave you and takeaway all of your rights.

Democracies commit suicide.

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

i live in a goddamn democracy and if you don’t like it, get the hell out. the system of government is a republic, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

HA and other history, please note that I repeated this for you, to be certain that it’s emphasized.

p.s. note that the one who doesn’t believe in God damns the democracy it lives in :)

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

A republic is clearly different than [sic] a democracy.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

define what democracy is. if you want to avoid embarrassing yourself, do it on your own and just don’t comment on this topic anymore.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

my rights have nothing to do with the baby jesus. i have a right to live because without it society can not function.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Ok – I’ll go along with that.
You have the right to live because the founders wrote it as such in the Constitution – as they did with all our other rights. I can go along with that because the people of other countries have obviously had their rights taken away by their governments – therefore it’s irrelevant whether they were orginally granted by God.
So that means your rights can also be taken away by the government, should they choose to do so. And right now, our government is working on doing exactly that. A little at a time, our rights, whether God given or not, are being taken away by the government.
And your right to live is only as strong as your ability to defend that right – whether you are defending it from the government or a criminal. Correct? So once you have no ability to defend any of your other rights, how would you defend your right to live? And is your life really worth living if you don’t have any of the other rights?

If you choose to be defenseless, then you have in effect handed over ALL of your rights to any other person who points a gun or other weapon at you and demands whatever they want. That person pointing a gun or sword or knife or molotov cocktail at you now owns you because you have no ability to defend yourself or any of your rights – including your right to live.

dentarthurdent on April 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

i live in a goddamn democracy and if you don’t like it, get the hell out. the system of government is a republic, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Sorry, I didn’t realise you were a Prop 8 supporter. Luvin’ you sum democracy, eh?

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

i live in a goddamn democracy and if you don’t like it, get the hell out. the system of government is a republic, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Quote of the Day!!!

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Not in the United States you don’t, the United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. But, then again, you are a narcissistic fool who clearly cannot comprehend the difference between a Constitutional Republic and a Democracy.

SWalker on April 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM

it’s both. (there’s no need to capitalize either, but then again who am i to correct you on that.)

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

31 states voted, democratically, against SSM.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

My Grandfather tattooed his SS # on his arm because he was sure he was gonna die fighting these bastards.

I guess it’s my turn now.

Stick your finger in the cage, sesquatch.

God given. That’s how I see it. Willing to die for it like he was.

wolly4321 on April 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

i live in a goddamn democracy and if you don’t like it, get the hell out. the system of government is a republic, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

I can see why you are getting angry since you keep digging that stupid hole of yours deeper and deeper. I understand, it’s frustrating to be so ignorant.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Well said, but you’re wasting electrons on that one.

By the way, did you see this story, related to another recent discussion?

novaculus on April 8, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Heard about it, didn’t read it (but did now) because figured quite rightly that it was more GOP stupidity against the base.

Did like this:

Shields, five weeks into his new job as RNC Chief of Staff, applauded the RNC on its “courage” in publicizing its own “Autopsy” report. According to the source, Shields “gloated that not even the Democratic National Committee was critical of the report, while only the ‘professional right’ pounced on it.”

Yeah, like this is some badge of honor. What’s the phrase? When your opponent is destroying himself get out of the way”.

Why would the DNC say anything? They’re too busy laughing.

Not overly surprised, though, that the GOP is doing this. They haven’t wanted to win or be smart for a long time.

kim roy on April 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

you haven’t any.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

By that statement you’re acknowledging that rape, child porn, slavery, assault, etc. is justified. Finally, you’re admitting your true intentions.

Whether you believe in a god or not, human life is either precious or expendable. If it is the former then every individual has the right to take reasonable measures to ensure their protection from threats. Yet you must acknowledge the latter because you truly believe that you and your ilk have the authority to decide what the American people are permitted to have regarding their personal protection. Ergo, you believe that you are a member of a superior class.

A republic means that democracy is limited by policy, meaning the Constitution. It does not matter if 99% of the people think one thing, the Constitution (the policy) prohibits of forcing that 99% to force their views on the 1%. Without the Constitution, the majority rules.

Remember, the majority have been wrong before. See “Nazi Germany” for more information. I guess that means you hate Jews since the majority chose to elect leaders that hated Jews.

I’ll now sit back and watch you wail and cry like a baby, which will only prove me right.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

So that means your rights can also be taken away by the government, should they choose to do so. And right now, our government is working on doing exactly that. A little at a time, our rights, whether God given or not, are being taken away by the government.

dentarthurdent on April 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

perhaps! thankfully, we can replace those in power because this is, after all, a democracy.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Y’all are letting the gorilla, in the zoo, fling his shit at you, from behind his bars.

You can’t educate a gorilla, in the affairs of liberty.

You can only let him continue to throw his shit at you.

Unless, of course, you ignore him and the other gorillas, and go look at the bears.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 8, 2013 at 4:45 PM

U.S.A.

Democracy, is defined by majority rule, the Declaration of Independence and our constitution do not even mention the word “democracy”.

The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, whether it be a Direct Democracy, or a Representative Democracy., The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, has no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

Constitutional Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form , or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general.

The constitution doesn’t give the Federal Government powers over the states and makes clear that all powers not defined in the constitution belong to the state. This is also part of the republic definition, the Federal government wasn’t created to control the people or states, the republic is the coalition of states that govern themselves, this was bastardized when people were allowed to vote for state senators instead being appointed.

So if you are confronted with question in the future, print this paper and use it to hold on to the truth. If parts or a sum it parts appear in other articles on the internet it purely incidental and used for education purposes only.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Sorry, I didn’t realise you were a Prop 8 supporter. Luvin’ you sum democracy, eh?

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

“i disapprove of what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it”

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:49 PM

A republic is clearly different than [sic] a democracy.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

It’s amazing how some people strive to be stupid.

“Then” is an adverb used to measure time. “Than” is used for comparison as in, “I am a hell of a lot smarter than you.”

Do you enjoy smoking weed? Dumbass.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:49 PM

James Madison, Thomas Jefferson and others, held that the federal government was not the sole or final judge of its own authority, holding that this would “make it, and not the Constitution, the judge of its powers.

A republic, as distinguished from a democracy, the people is not only checked in choosing officials but also in making laws.

In closing, as you can see from their own words, the United States of America was never a Democracy, but a Constitutional Republic. So, even with revisionist history books and the constant barrage of the word democracy by today’s current politicians, the fact remains that a Democracy we are not.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Y’all are letting the gorilla, in the zoo, fling his shit at you, from behind his bars.

You can’t educate a gorilla, in the affairs of liberty.

You can only let him continue to throw his shit at you.

Unless, of course, you ignore him and the other gorillas, and go look at the bears.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 8, 2013 at 4:45 PM

But the gorilla in this instance has incredibly bad aim…and ALWAYS ends up covered in his own shit.

It’s hilarious and sad to watch all at the same time.

HumpBot Salvation on April 8, 2013 at 4:50 PM

S/b in quotes

James Madison, Thomas Jefferson and others, held that the federal government was not the sole or final judge of its own authority, holding that this would “make it, and not the Constitution, the judge of its powers.

A republic, as distinguished from a democracy, the people is not only checked in choosing officials but also in making laws.

In closing, as you can see from their own words, the United States of America was never a Democracy, but a Constitutional Republic. So, even with revisionist history books and the constant barrage of the word democracy by today’s current politicians, the fact remains that a Democracy we are not.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:50 PM

31 states voted, democratically, against SSM.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

But the desired outcome wasn’t achieved, so that ‘democratic process’ liberals love so much has to be thwarted if they don’t get their way. Is it really a democracy if only one possible outcome is allowable?

Of course, if the courts don’t rule as wanted, homosexuals have threatened violence. Yup — democracy!

Liam on April 8, 2013 at 4:50 PM

did you click ‘submit’ too early? because i can’t see the proof part.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Well, there’s the problem right there. Some people don’t need proof that they have a right to exist, whereas others think, absent proof, they don’t. I guess you’re one of the latter type. Maybe it’s more a matter of which type you’d rather was running the government you live under.

Socratease on April 8, 2013 at 4:51 PM

i live in a goddamn democracy and if you don’t like it, get the hell out. the system of government is a republic, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

So if the majority mandates that you worship Jesus then you’ll naturally agree.

I would personally support your First Amendment rights but apparently, they mean nothing to you.

Kingfisher on April 8, 2013 at 4:51 PM

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