Breaking: Margaret Thatcher passes away; Update: Obama issues statement

posted at 8:04 am on April 8, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Margaret Thatcher, the legendary Iron Lady of the United Kingdom, has passed away after suffering a stroke.  So far, CNN only has a banner headline carrying the announcement from her spokewoman, but more will undoubtedly be coming.

Update: CNN has its news report live now:

Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher died Monday following a stroke, her spokeswoman confirmed.

Britain’s only female prime minister, Thatcher served from 1979 to 1990 as leader of the Conservative Party. She was called the “Iron Lady” for her personal and political toughness.

ABC News has more:

Margaret Thatcher, the first woman ever to serve as prime minister ofGreat Britain and the longest-serving British prime minister of the 20th century has died at age 87.

“It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother Baroness Thatcher died peacefully following a stroke this morning,” Lord Timothy Bell said today. “A further statement will be made later.” …

Many considered her Britain’s Ronald Reagan. In fact, Reagan and Thatcher were political soul mates. Reagan called her the “best man in England” and she called him “the second most important man in my life.” The two shared a hatred of communism and a passion for small government. What America knew as “Reaganomics” is still called “Thatcherism” in Britain.

Like Reagan, Thatcher was an outsider in the old boys’ club. Just as it was unlikely for an actor to lead the Republicans, the party of Lincoln, it was unthinkable that a grocer’s daughter could lead the Conservatives, the party of Churchill and William Pitt — that is, until Thatcher. She led the Conservatives from 1975 to 1990, the only woman ever to do so.

ABC also includes this archive video from her election victory, featuring the late anchorman Frank Reynolds:

Thatcher was the last living member of the triumvirate, along with Reagan and Pope John Paul II, that forced the Soviet Union into collapse.  Jonah Goldberg offers this tribute:

Would that were true here on Earth. Godspeed, Mrs. Thatcher, and thank you.

[more to come]

Update (AP): By popular demand, here’s Thatcher’s eulogy for Reagan.

Update (AP): Via Conn Carroll, another Thatcher classic:

Update (AP): Expect barrels-full of vitriol in social media today, needless to say. George Galloway gets started bright and early.

Update (AP): The White House grits its teeth and salutes an ideological opponent:

“With the passing of Baroness Margaret Thatcher, the world has lost one of the great champions of freedom and liberty, and America has lost a true friend,” he said.

“As a grocer’s daughter who rose to become Britain’s first female prime minister, she stands as an example to our daughters that there is no glass ceiling that can’t be shattered.

“As prime minister, she helped restore the confidence and pride that has always been the hallmark of Britain at its best.

“And as an unapologetic supporter of our transatlantic alliance, she knew that with strength and resolve we could win the Cold War and extend freedom’s promise.

Obama added: “Here in America, many of us will never forget her standing shoulder to shoulder with President Reagan, reminding the world that we are not simply carried along by the currents of history—we can shape them with moral conviction, unyielding courage and iron will.

“Michelle and I send our thoughts to the Thatcher family and all the British people as we carry on the work to which she dedicated her life—free peoples standing together, determined to write our own destiny.”

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Sorry, libfree, Margaret Thatcher, Reagan, and Pope John Paul the Great, brought down an empire built on lies and slavery.

They brought down Great Britain and the United States? Fascinating.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Ah yes, I forgot that you so-called “liberals” regard the US and UK as empires built on slavery and lies. I suppose just about any other country on the planet would be an improvement. I’d invite you to go move to one of those many, many countries, but then I remember that “liberals” like you do what you do only to antagonize and demoralize the “squares” and make their lives more difficult.

Thatcher gave the “squares” hope and vindication, and that’s why the “liberals” are venting their fantasies about defecating into her grave this day.

Aitch748 on April 8, 2013 at 11:05 AM

You’re comparing a woman who called Mandela a terrorist to MLK Jr……OK then…..

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Mandela during a time supported the ANC and the “Spear of the Nation”, the terrorist group that bombed (at least their favorite target) “white” bars/pubs…killing people sitting down have a little brew is not MLK style…she was right in criticizing terrorist groups and their supporters…only a leftist fool supports killing innocent people with bombs…but of course you would embrace such action, right?

I can see how confused you are, having your doctorate in Russian history….HAHAHAHAHA!!!

right2bright on April 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

1.

Love her or loathe her, one thing’s beyond dispute: Margaret Thatcher transformed Britain. The Iron Lady who ruled for 11 remarkable years imposed her will on a fractious, rundown nation — breaking the unions, triumphing in a far-off war, and selling off state industries at a record pace.

2.

President Hugo Chavez, the fiery populist who declared a socialist revolution in Venezuela, crusaded against U.S. influence and championed a leftist revival across Latin America, died Tuesday at age 58 after a nearly two-year bout with cancer.

http://jpfreire.com/post/47456704700/associated-press-praise-chavez-grouse-about-thatcher

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Lech Walesa still lives.

rbj on April 8, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Reminder:

Obama Snubs Freedom Fighter Lech Walesa

visions on April 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Well you have to admit that Mandela didn’t exactly follow the MLK, Jr. model for equal rights.

Cindy Munford on April 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM

My point is that anyone who would describe Nelson Mandela as a terrorist has some seriously jacked up values. I would suspect that anyone who is OK with her statements on Mandela and the ANC also has some odd values.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Agreed. Similar to someone having “jacked up values” about peaceful protesters Ayers and Dohrn, only a fud would take issue with their attempts to bring about Hope and Change before Hope and Change became so popular.

Bishop on April 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

He isn’t?

portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

And scene.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

You’re comparing a woman who called Mandela a terrorist to MLK Jr……OK then…..

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

That’s a pretty disgusting example of putting words in my mouth. Thatcher is a hero of the right, MLK of the left.

FWIW, though, Thatcher changed the political trajectory of the UK, forcing Labour into a third way policy platform even to this day. MLK was an extremely talented and charismatic man that became the face of a movement that was destined to succeed, regardless of his participation. There’s not much to debate over who had the larger long term impact.

LukeinNE on April 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

She called the ANC (African National Congress) a terrorist group, and rightly so. The ANC was not removed from the United States terrorist watch list until 2008.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

libfreeordie, do your parents charge you for living in their house or for using the computer?

fight like a girl on April 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Well you have to admit that Mandela didn’t exactly follow the MLK, Jr. model for equal rights.

Cindy Munford on April 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Indeed, he followed the George Washington model. But, I guess only whites get to fight the state for freedom and equality before the law or something.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

The victims of Winnie Mandela’s necklaces were unavailable for comment.

Fail!!!

AH_C on April 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Awful, why would she say that?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/20/newsid_4326000/4326975.stm

1983: Car bomb in South Africa kills 16

At least 16 people have been killed and more than 130 people injured in a car bomb explosion in South Africa’s capital city, Pretoria.

mudskipper on April 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Anyway, back from bashing the stupid liberal…and back to honoring Margaret Thatcher.

I don’t think people realize how rare it was for a “commoner” to achieve what she did.

Even as great as Churchill was, he came from “blue blood”, not the common man…

She was a remarkable women, strong and decisive at a time when Britain was floundering and in desperate times.

right2bright on April 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

She called the ANC (African National Congress) a terrorist group, and rightly so. The ANC was not removed from the United States terrorist watch list until 2008.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Certainly not a political document.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

And scene.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Mandela supported violent anti-white terrorist groups.

Of course that makes him a glorious person to you, right?

portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

But that’s not going to happen so…….don’t hold your breath.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Pee Wee Herman is impressed by your scholarly response.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 11:12 AM

And scene.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

You never have the decency to just say something compassionate. In the heart of almost every liberal I know beats pure hatred for anything remotely not conforming to their demands on society.

Your comments used to be amusing in a Pauly Shore movie kind of way. But lately you’re just a vindictive old man in a middle aged body. You’ll never know anything but hate in your heart.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Please…the liberals is trying to hijack the thread…time to move on and not comment about the fool, he will tire and move on…or be banned for hijacking.

right2bright on April 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

1983: Car bomb in South Africa kills 16

At least 16 people have been killed and more than 130 people injured in a car bomb explosion in South Africa’s capital city, Pretoria.
mudskipper on April 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Since more than 16 Iraqi civillians were killed in the invasion of Iraq I supposed you think the U.S. military is a terrorist organization as well? Oh you don’t? Is that because you sometimes think military action is rationalized? Oh OK great then. So why weren’t the ANC justified in using violence to advance their cause after all non-violent means within the system had been tried and failed? Oh you don’t have any kind of a rational response? Thought so.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

I suppose I could rant about her policies in Northern Ireland or support for Section 28, but if you view her overall record there is much to praise her for. She indeed was the “Iron Lady” and thank God for it because we needed her at that time in history just as much as we needed President Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II and even Mikhail Gorbachev. Many have forgotten what it was like during the Cold War and how important it was to finally bring it to the end – with the collapse of the USSR a very welcome side benefit. I haven’t forgotten and though we can quibble over what role each of those I named actually played, as well as add other names, I’m grateful to all of them for doing their part in bringing that menace down. Godspeed, Lady Maggie and thanks for everything.

JohnAGJ on April 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Of course. Kill whitey. Next he’ll be telling us that the Taliban are freedom fighters.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

The comments around the net about this are absolutely disgusting. The world is doomed. Sorry guys. We’re destined to be ruled by the “smarter” people.

Kanyin on April 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Oh you don’t have any kind of a rational response? Thought so.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Libfreeordie is talking to himself. Again.

portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

fight like a girl on April 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Some years ago, Walesa tried to ‘out’ a Polish political candidate who happened be Jewish. Walesa wanted the gentleman to publicly declare his Jewishness. Not cool.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM
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He isn’t?

portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

.
And scene.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

.
That’s dishonest, libfreeordie.

The Nelson Mandela who left prison, is not philosophically the same, as the Nelson Mandela that Prime Minister Thatcher referred to.
Something about him changed, fundamentally.

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Washington killed non-combatants? Anyway, we’re talking about Lady Thatcher today. When Mr. Mandela passes on, you will expect us all to speak of him in glowing terms. I will follow the golden rule then, why don’t you try that.

Cindy Munford on April 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM

The British empire died when Thatcher left. Now it is beyond hope. 10 Thatchers could not save Britian now. The Islamists will rule the British shores in a generation.

redguy on April 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Rest in Peace, Lady Thatcher. You have been an idol of mine for a very long time.

ZachV on April 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Certainly not a political document.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

The ANC was a terrorist group. Pointing out that fact doesn’t mean that she supported apartheid. She didn’t.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Were these Iraqi civilians you mention deliberately targeted by US forces or were they unfortunate bystanders caught up in a military action? A car bomb is a deliberate act intended to not only terrorize but maximize casualties, especially among civilians, to bring this about. Whether one thinks good or ill of the ANC I don’t find this particular tactic very praiseworthy.

JohnAGJ on April 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Furthermore, Thatcher never called Mandela a terrorist. She called the ANC terrorists.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Well that’s three. Roger Ebert, Lilly Pulitzer Rousseau, and now Mrs. Thatcher.

Always comes in three’s with the biggest usually at the end.

Genuine on April 8, 2013 at 11:20 AM

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:00 AM

So chavez is your “beloved fallen icon”? A “socialist” who stole over $2billion from ‘his people’; and lived like a king while they starved?

That figures, liveasaslaveanddie.

btw; chavez wasn’t fit to clean Lady Thatcher’s bathroom.

Solaratov on April 8, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Oh you don’t have any kind of a rational response? Thought so.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Listing hate music was so much more rational? Stay classy.

Please do us a favor. Never call for anyone here to be more civil in their discourse. Whatever decency people afforded you here in the past was wasted on a pig of a human being.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

The ANC was a terrorist group. Pointing out that fact doesn’t mean that she supported apartheid. She didn’t.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Now you’re just confusing it.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Washington killed non-combatants?

The argument is that Mandela is a terrorist because he supported the ANC. Washington was a part of a movement that did enact violence against non-combatant Tories. This is well documented fact. The point is that for the right “freedom fighter” is for whites only. If you are a black or brown person you have to follow the Gandhi/MLK model or you’re a terrorist. If you’re a George Washington or a Branch Davidian then you’re a freedom fighter. Its just that sadly simple for your side. Celebrating Margaret Thatcher and her well documented anti-black racism is just the latest example.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Because there wasn’t a world Cold War and SA wasn’t fighting communist Cuban soldiers invading from Angola.

Ben Hur on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Furthermore, Thatcher never called Mandela a terrorist. She called the ANC terrorists.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:20 AM

You lie.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Indeed, he followed the George Washington model. But, I guess only whites get to fight the state for freedom and equality before the law or something.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Washington advocated that indiscriminate antipersonnel bombs should be exploded during the busy rush hour in a civilian setting?

Huh, my history books are waaaay outdated.

Bishop on April 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Oh you don’t have any kind of a rational response? Thought so.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Libfreeordie is talking to himself. Again.

portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Yep, Slavenowordie’s tu quoque fallacies and leftist boilerplate indicate just how worthless his pseudo-scholarship is, bereft as it is of a shred of original thought or basic human decency.

ebrown2 on April 8, 2013 at 11:23 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

He was certainly married to one .

EnglishRogue on April 8, 2013 at 11:23 AM

But that’s not going to happen so…….don’t hold your breath.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Keep telling yourself that. BTW, your response to the Winnie Mandela Necklace????

AH_C on April 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM

My point is that anyone who would describe Nelson Mandela as a terrorist has some seriously jacked up values. I would suspect that anyone who is OK with her statements on Mandela and the ANC also has some odd values.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

What’s the problem with that?

Mandela was a terrorist and the anc was a terrorist organization comprised of thugs, rapists and thieves.

But then, you probably think the mau-mau were “freedom fighters”.

You’re either a liar or a fool – or both.

Solaratov on April 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Indeed, he followed the George Washington model. But, I guess only whites get to fight the state for freedom and equality before the law or something.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

George Washington used car bombs or 18th-century equivalents of such to deliberately target civilians? Do tell. I fail to see why you are injecting race into this because we have examples of other revolutionary leaders whom as far as I know didn’t deliberately target civilians in such an indiscriminate manner either. Mohandas Ghandi. Simon Bolivar. Etc.

JohnAGJ on April 8, 2013 at 11:25 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

He was. Do you think the torturing began and ended with his wife? That there was no history of an ANC rape and terrorism culture prior to his release?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTFhaUYmzV0

Shaughnessy on April 8, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Margaret “Iron Lady” Thatcher will be missed by the FREE WORLD.

My Condolences,

from Canada!

canopfor on April 8, 2013 at 11:26 AM

The argument is that Mandela is a terrorist because he supported the ANC.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

You are the only one around here advancing that argument. Mandela was no saint, but for the third time Thatcher did not call him a terrorist. You are the one choosing to conflate the ANC and Mandela.

Celebrating Margaret Thatcher and her well documented anti-black racism is just the latest example.

Such as? You have misquoted Thatcher and provide no other proof to support this ridiculous premise. It is rather sad to watch you frustratingly flail about.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:26 AM

It’s true that the enemy always tries to aim at the soldier or the leader on the battlefield who is the biggest threat to them.

Margaret Thatcher scared the living crap out of most weak-kneed liberals.

This commentary from the hateful left against her should not be a surprise to any of us.

Charity should be stricken from their vocabulary.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM

If you are a black or brown person you have to follow the Gandhi/MLK model or you’re a terrorist. If you’re a George Washington or a Branch Davidian then you’re a freedom fighter. Its just that sadly simple for your side. Celebrating Margaret Thatcher and her well documented anti-black racism is just the latest example.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

As if the left doesn’t run around with their own “champions”; blithely wearing their Che shirts, haranguing everyone about the greatness of Castro, and holding weepy “Free Mumia!” rallies every few months.

To you lefties Reagan was an imperialistic monster who invented AIDS to kill gays, and Che was a brave freedom fighter who rescued kittens from burning buildings and only killed people with extreme reluctance.

It’s just that sadly simple for your side.

Bishop on April 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Even from the liberal LA Times:

The woman many regard as Britain’s most important peacetime leader of the 20th century shook her country like an earthquake after moving into 10 Downing St. in 1979. In nearly a dozen years at the top, she transformed the political and economic landscape through a conservative free-market revolution bearing her name, Thatcherism, which sought to reverse Britain’s postwar decline and the welfare state that she felt accelerated it.

Her policies ushered in boom times for go-getter Britons but also exacerbated social inequalities. Such is her legacy that every prime minister since has had to deal with aspects of it, toiling in the shadow of a woman worshiped by her fans and vilified by her foes.

She ended her days as Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven, far removed from her modest birth as Margaret Hilda Roberts of Grantham, a historic market town in northeast England. In between, she accumulated an Oxford education in chemistry, a London law degree, a seat in Parliament and a place in history as the longest continuously serving premier in more than 150 years.

RIP Iron Lady. Your legacy is secured and cherished.

Rovin on April 8, 2013 at 11:28 AM

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Again, we aren’t talking about Mr. Mandela. I think in the realm of sticks and stones, Lady Thatcher wins.

Cindy Munford on April 8, 2013 at 11:29 AM

You lie.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Produce a quote you pathetic schlub.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II and Lech Walesa were, and will forever will be, giants in history. They dared to stand tall when much of the world cowered and capitulated at the feet of communism and soviet domination. I pity the young who have never witnessed the courage and conviction of true leaders. RIP Margaret and tell Ronnie that many of us still remember what it was like to live in a time of giants.

fight like a girl on April 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM

.
Some years ago, Walesa tried to ‘out’ a Polish political candidate who happened be Jewish. Walesa wanted the gentleman to publicly declare his Jewishness. Not cool.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

.
Was there some disingenuous motive for this “Polish political candidate who happened be Jewish” to hide his or her status?

Some Jews helped Hitler kill the others.

What I’m trying to say, is more detail about Lech Walesa’s words and actions are in order. You may be right to criticize him, but he has earned a place in the history of what we call “political conservatism”.

listens2glenn on April 8, 2013 at 11:29 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Wtf, does this have to do with what Thatcher accomplished? This is what the Left always do and it seems conservatives have fallen for this tactic. Just because this leftist clings to one stupid thing to hate Thatcher doesn’t mean its important or consequential to what made Thatcher, Thatcher. Lady Thatcher is someone because she accomplished great things for Britain and the West. This debate about Mandela or whatever is a distraction and the Left specializes in distracting people from what they should be focused on. Don’t fall for that trap, especially on this day.

milemarker2020 on April 8, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Also the USSR was unstable before Reagan and Thatcher even took office. This is the lamest and least historicized Reagan mythology. Again, absolutely no one who actually studies Russian history for a living believes this. No one.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Here’s a sample of just how much of a liar our house left-collectivist is:

“Every revolution is a surprise. Still, the latest Russian Revolution must be counted among the greatest of surprises. In the years leading up to 1991, virtually no Western expert, scholar, official, or politician foresaw the impending collapse of the Soviet Union, and with it one-party dictatorship, the state-owned economy, and the Kremlin’s control over its domestic and Eastern European empires. Neither, with one exception, did Soviet dissidents nor, judging by their memoirs, future revolutionaries themselves. When Mikhail Gorbachev became general secretary of the Communist Party in March 1985, none of his contemporaries anticipated a revolutionary crisis. Although there were disagreements over the size and depth of the Soviet system’s problems, no one thought them to be life-threatening, at least not anytime soon.

Whence such strangely universal shortsightedness? The failure of Western experts to anticipate the Soviet Union’s collapse may in part be attributed to a sort of historical revisionism — call it anti-anti-communism — that tended to exaggerate the Soviet regime’s stability and legitimacy. Yet others who could hardly be considered soft on communism were just as puzzled by its demise. One of the architects of the U.S. strategy in the Cold War, George Kennan, wrote that, in reviewing the entire “history of international affairs in the modern era,” he found it “hard to think of any event more strange and startling, and at first glance inexplicable, than the sudden and total disintegration and disappearance … of the great power known successively as the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union.” Richard Pipes, perhaps the leading American historian of Russia as well as an advisor to U.S. President Ronald Reagan, called the revolution “unexpected.” A collection of essays about the Soviet Union’s demise in a special 1993 issue of the conservative National Interest magazine was titled ‘The Strange Death of Soviet Communism.’”

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/06/20/everything_you_think_you_know_about_the_collapse_of_the_soviet_union_is_wrong

ebrown2 on April 8, 2013 at 11:31 AM

The argument is that Mandela is a terrorist because he supported the ANC. Washington was a part of a movement that did enact violence against non-combatant Tories. This is well documented fact. The point is that for the right “freedom fighter” is for whites only. If you are a black or brown person you have to follow the Gandhi/MLK model or you’re a terrorist. If you’re a George Washington or a Branch Davidian then you’re a freedom fighter. Its just that sadly simple for your side. Celebrating Margaret Thatcher and her well documented anti-black racism is just the latest example.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Probably because Washington was fighting for actual freedom, not just nihilistic destruction.

Your outrage is only directed at caucasian hegemony, the professional Left does not give a stuff about countries far worse than apartheid-era SA.

Here is Messiah Mandela’s legacy, straight from National Pravda Radio:

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172636759/in-south-africa-crime-and-violence-are-permanent-headlines

Crime in South Africa cuts across all demographics. Poor, black areas are rife with muggings, rapes and shootings. Killers often prey on isolated white farmers. In middle-class suburbs, most residences are protected by private security firms, dominated by the international security company ADT. While not foolproof, this provides much better protection than the poor black majority can afford.

mudskipper on April 8, 2013 at 11:32 AM

libfreeordie

Please, for the whole class, describe the practice of “necklacing” as utilized by the ANC against non-compliant blacks. For extra points discuss Winnie Mandela’s involvement.

We’ll wait while you do your homework.

M240H on April 8, 2013 at 11:33 AM

The argument is that Mandela is a terrorist because he supported the ANC. Washington was a part of a movement that did enact violence against non-combatant Tories. This is well documented fact. The point is that for the right “freedom fighter” is for whites only. If you are a black or brown person you have to follow the Gandhi/MLK model or you’re a terrorist. If you’re a George Washington or a Branch Davidian then you’re a freedom fighter. Its just that sadly simple for your side. Celebrating Margaret Thatcher and her well documented anti-black racism is just the latest example.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Sooo, where’s ANC’s Declaration of Independence? The Founding Fathers did not take up arms until attacked after repeated petitions for redress of greivances. And since coming to power, how has ANC’s rule been going? Necklacing perceived opponents, even little kids, is hardly inclusive, nor promoting the cause. the only thing stopping them from all out assault on the whites and ideological opponents, i.e. the Zulus, would be the total collaspe of their economy, a la Robert’s Zimbabwe. There was a lot of optimism for Zimbabwe, before Robert showed his true racist & tribalist nature – much to Zimbabwe’s disadvantage. SOrt of like our 1/2 kenyan dictator for life wanna-be.

AH_C on April 8, 2013 at 11:33 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

BECAUSE HE WAS, liveasaslaveanddie.

Solaratov on April 8, 2013 at 11:35 AM

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

I’m totally fine with her statement-ad my values are fine as well.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 8, 2013 at 11:36 AM

This is a tad interesting,I always thought,that the *Glass-Ceiling*,
was only reserved,for WOMEN ON THE LEFT,according to the LEFT,like
HilRod,as an example!(sarc)

Sorry,

Hopey/Changey,

I think,your being Disingenuous,and,after tossing out
the Bust of Winston Churchill,for some reason,the Obama’s
have had an axe to grind,with England!!

Nice try tho!!
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More: Obama says Thatcher showed ‘our daughters that there is no glass ceiling that can’t be shattered’ – @AP

47 mins ago from bigstory.ap.org by editor

canopfor on April 8, 2013 at 11:38 AM

You lie.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM
Produce a quote you pathetic schlub.

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:29 AM

He won’t be able to. In the sick mind of an adult male who fantasizes about sex with younger boys, there’s a great need for self rationalization necessary to get him through his day. There’s also a good deal of pathos in his comments. Mere words of opinion coming from his mouth become facts because he wants them to be so. Emotionally driven and void of facts.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Uh huh,as if Team Progressive has “Values”,in regards to….

….FREEDOM(s) and Liberty(s)!!!
================================

Obama on Margaret Thatcher:

‘The world has lost one of the great champions of freedom and liberty, and America has lost a true friend’ – via @NBCNews

59 mins ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/margaret-thatcher-dies

canopfor on April 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Well put. And I didn’t know he fantasized about sex with young boys. Did he actually say that?

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM

the liberal is hijacking the thread…let him be…ignore him/her…

right2bright on April 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

He won’t be able to. In the sick mind of an adult male who fantasizes about sex with younger boys, there’s a great need for self rationalization necessary to get him through his day. There’s also a good deal of pathos in his comments. Mere words of opinion coming from his mouth become facts because he wants them to be so. Emotionally driven and void of facts.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Well said but I expect a “I know you are but what am I” response any minute.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

One response might be to focus on the external roots of the Soviet collapse. The negative comparison with an economically flourishing capitalist world; the delegitimizing impact of an increasingly dominant ethno-nationalist discourse on a multinational polity; the pressure of Western containment policies and Cold War expenditures; the declining price of oil on the world market in the 1980s; the corrosive consequences of the Afghan debacle; the stimulus of a successful Chinese reform program; the demonstration effect of the 1989 Eastern European revolutions—all of this and more testify to the “embeddedness” of the Soviet Union in a network of international linkages, many of which exacerbated the declining domestic sources of Soviet cohesion and vitality.

http://www.learner.org/courses/worldhistory/support/reading_26_3.pdf

ebrown2 on April 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I guess the trolls had to show up sooner or later. Their handlers certainly weren’t going to let this one slide.

CurtZHP on April 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Well put. And I didn’t know he fantasized about sex with young boys. Did he actually say that?

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM

He sure did. Because he’s a freak he thinks that laws should be changed to fit his sickness.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM

This is a woman who called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Thatcher also called Mandela a “typical black person” and someone who only used a “negr0 dialect” when it suited him.

Bishop on April 8, 2013 at 11:45 AM

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM
Well said but I expect a “I know you are but what am I” response any minute.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

He’s afraid of starting an exchange with many people here.

Not going to happen.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM
Well put. And I didn’t know he fantasized about sex with young boys. Did he actually say that?

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM

He sure did. But I’m not going to further sully this thread (that really just should have been a remembrance of this great woman) by posting it here.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Libfreeordie is talking to himself. Again.

portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

No, the raging queen is desperately trying to hijack the thread.

Just ignore the degenerate for a while and he’ll soon return to groping his students.

Solaratov on April 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM

To be fair, (not that liberals are) to Donna Brazil, here’s a chronology of her tweets this morning on Margaret Thatcher:

Donna Brazile @donnabrazile 1h
RIP #Iron Lady. Margaret Thatcher was tough, decisive & fearless. She was a controversial figure. Ronald Reagan respected her leadership.

Donna Brazile @donnabrazile 1h
Baroness Thatcher was also a role model for the conservative movement here in the USA. A woman of valor and strength. Good qualities indeed!

No. 10 Press Office @Number10press 2h
Prime Minister David Cameron on the death of Lady Thatcher: “She didn’t just lead our country; she saved our country.”
Retweeted by Donna Brazile

Donna Brazile @donnabrazile 1h
Looking forward to reading your comments on the #ironlady and what she did to advance women in society. We know Baroness Thatcher was tough!

Donna Brazile @donnabrazile 1h
Okay, what did the #ironlady do to advance Great
Britain and the world? Did she leave lasting footprints for women in politics? #justsayin

Donna Brazile @donnabrazile 16m
A few tweets came back and wow… Strong opinions on Baroness Thatcher leadership as PM in Great Britain. #ironlady

In context, Ms. Brazile appears to be doing an honest assessment of Maggie, but I still wonder if she might regret the single tweet that left many questioning her intent.

Of course, you would never expect a liberal to add a “correction” that would defend a conservative statement put into context—quite the opposite.

Rovin on April 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Thatcher also called Mandela a “typical black person” and someone who only used a “negr0 dialect” when it suited him.

Bishop on April 8, 2013 at 11:45 AM

But she never said he was clean, she stayed away from that racist remark thank goodness.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Former President Jimmy Carter

on Margaret Thatcher:

‘She was a strong ally for peace and human rights during my presidency’ – via @NBCNews

4 mins ago by editor

canopfor on April 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Amen on this!
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George H. W. Bush:

‘Margaret was, to be sure, one of the 20th Century’s fiercest advocates of freedom and free markets’ – @ZekeJMiller

1 hour ago from twitter.com/ZekeJMiller by editor

canopfor on April 8, 2013 at 11:51 AM

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Well put. And I didn’t know he fantasized about sex with young boys. Did he actually say that?

NotCoach on April 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Of course not, but hawkdriver often lies.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Labour leader Ed Miliband says his party ‘disagreed with much of what she did and she will always remain a controversial figure. But we can disagree and also greatly respect her political achievements and her personal strength’ – @Reuters

2 hours ago by editor
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Scotland’s First Minister Salmond offers condolences to Lady Thatcher’s family, calls her ‘a formidable politician whose policies defined a political generation’ – @AlexSalmond

2 hours ago by editor

canopfor on April 8, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Celebrating Margaret Thatcher and her well documented anti-black racism is just the latest example.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Don’t you have a little boy to grope, liveasaslaveanddie?

Solaratov on April 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM

But she never said he was clean, she stayed away from that racist remark thank goodness.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Let’s not whitewas…er…ignore history here. Thatcher did comment that you can barely enter a South African convenience store without seeing a black dude working there.

Bishop on April 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM

“Godspeed, Mrs. Thatcher, and thank you.”

Indeed…

… Rest In Peace.

Seven Percent Solution on April 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM

David Cameron: ‘We’ve lost a great leader, a great Prime Minister and a great Briton’ – @Number10Press

3 hours ago by editor

canopfor on April 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Remember the good old days when hijacking a thread got trolls banned, good times!

D-fusit on April 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM

These Libs aren’t worthy of licking the London street grit off Thatchers heels.

Filthy Socialist and Progressive scum.

PappyD61 on April 8, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Of course not, but hawkdriver often lies.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:52 AM

You are the liar but no one will sully this thread about a great woman by reposting your disgusting fantasies here.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 11:55 AM

King is an imbecile for all seasons but he did finally get around to denouncing the IRA and Ireland once he realized they would not support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

lexhamfox on April 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM

The IRA doesn’t represent the Irish people.An irish politician refused to attend a St Patricks Day parade because King was leading it.

He has never denounced the I.R.A. he denounced Ireland not supporting the US in Afghanistan and Iraq.
However,is that an acceptable reason not to support terrorism shoudn’t be because they perform terrorist acts?

In 2011 he said that because they didn’t kill Americans then he’s fine with that,even though they did.
He has said that if IRA bombs kill civilians then would hold the IRA accountable.
This was mostly said during the time the IRA tried to kill Maggie and the sitting government.Did manage to kill MP’S ,did a mortar attack on 10 Downing St and the Palace of Westminister.
King referred to this as a dirty war and it’s fair game.

He is supporting Pol Brennan an escaped convicted terrorist who has been a fugitive in the U.S for 25 yrs asking for bail
Direct quote
“My experience dealing with (Irish) republicans is that they don’t jump bail in this country. They honor their commitments. Based on my experience, and also the republican movement’s commitment to the peace process, I think he should get bail.”

mags on April 8, 2013 at 11:55 AM

#justsayin

Rovin on April 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM

There’s not much question in that tweet.

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 11:56 AM

NotCoach, if you have the stomach to read the exchange. Here you go. As I said, not fitting for this topic.

H/T to rogerb for making sure it was not lost or forgotten.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Margaret Thatcher was truly a great and courageous leader, and exactly what her country needed at the time she was elected Prime Minister, probably the greatest British Prime Minister since Winston Churchill. The world was blessed to have both Thatcher and Ronald Reagan leading their countries at a crucial time in history, and neither country has seen a leader of their caliber since then.

If, as Jonah Goldberg commented, there’s “no chance of Heaven going wobbly now”, could Thatcher and Reagan intercede from Heaven to send new leaders to the UK and US to continue their great legacy into the future?

Steve Z on April 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Of course not, but hawkdriver often lies.

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Sorry folks. This had to be done.

But I have a hard time getting too upset about a 45 year old guy and a 16 year old guy having sex. Maybe its because when I was under 18 (17 to be exact) I had a bit of an affair with an older man (early 30s)…and it was AWESOME. Its exactly what I wanted, I pursued it, he was smoking hot, I was 17 and (as most of the male posters will attest to) extremely interested in having sex. I wasn’t abused or exploited. And there’s no question that a year earlier I would have been just fine as well. Because by 16 I was, at least in terms of my sexual desires, really, really clear what I wanted. I think most 16 year old boys are. Like…how does a “vulnerable” 16 year old find their way onto a gay sex chat-line anyway?

libfreeordie on November 20, 2012 at 6:16 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/20/elmo-creator-resigns-as-second-sex-allegation-surfaces/comment-page-2/#comment-6523015

rogerb on January 31, 2013 at 8:32 AM

As I said, he can rationalize anything that leaves his mouth. “Not what I meant. You misconstrue. You ‘lie’.”

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Let’s not whitewas…er…ignore history here. Thatcher did comment that you can barely enter a South African convenience store without seeing a black dude working there.

Bishop on April 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Remember the time she told the paralyzed old white dude in the wheelchair to “stand up so they can see you”, good times man, good times.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM

I get the impression a lot of the statements made by leftist’s in the UK are through gritted teeth .

Especially from the likes of Tony Benn .

EnglishRogue on April 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM

We’ve missed her presence on the world stage for too long already.

Midas on April 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM

could Thatcher and Reagan intercede from Heaven to send new leaders to the UK and US to continue their great legacy into the future?

Steve Z on April 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM

We can Pray.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Remember the good old days when hijacking a thread got trolls banned, good times!

D-fusit on April 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM

I do, I do. Back when HotAir was, well… you know.

Midas on April 8, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Full Military Honours,most excellent!!
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Margaret Thatcher to receive a ceremonial funeral with full military honours; will not lie in state – @itvnews

3 hours ago by editor

canopfor on April 8, 2013 at 12:03 PM

libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

So for Thatcher whites were freedom fighters and blacks terrorists?
Well she had no problem calling the IRA terrorists repeatedly and consistently. She refused to negotiate with them and let 10 of them die on hungerstrike in prison rather than grant them political status.
Are Irish people black or white libfree?
Please explain because I’m really trying to understand liberal race based politics.
At least Thatcher was consistent. The ANC were terrorists whatever their motives.
She lost many close friends and colleagues to IRA terrorists from Airey Neave in 1979 to the Brighton bomb in 1984 that killed five.
When Thatcher spoke of terrorism she knew of what she spoke
Unlike you, you idiot.

breffnian on April 8, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Remember the time she told the paralyzed old white dude in the wheelchair to “stand up so they can see you”, good times man, good times.

VegasRick on April 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM

I don’t remember that; however, I DO remember Thatcher referring to some of the dudes in the British parliament as “white ni**ers”.

Bishop on April 8, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Okay, what did the #ironlady do to advance Great Britain and the world? Did she leave lasting footprints for women in politics? #justsayin

— Donna Brazile (@donnabrazile) April 8, 2013

From someone, who has no clue what a run-down, dysfunctional, broken country the UK was when Margaret Thatcher became PM.

Did she advance Great Britain?

What a stupid question from an utterly stupid woman.

What did she do to advance the world?

The benefits that came from Thatcher joining with Reagan and Pope John Paul II to destroy the Soviet Union should be so obvious that even this idiotic POS should understand.

Did she leave footprints for women in politics?

Of course she did…and she crashed through a glass ceiling making way for many women in politics.

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

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