Army Reserve training material: Evangelicals, Catholics are extremist groups

posted at 12:41 pm on April 8, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

This one earns the coveted Duke University triple facepalm, the highest honor we can award for self-beclowning.  An Army Reserve training class attempted to instruct soldiers on the various extremist groups of the world, dutifully noting al-”Quaeda,” with which the US armed forces are at war, and Hamas, which the State Department lists as a terrorist organization.  Both of those, however, come below a couple of extremist groups so fringe that only about 60 million Americans count themselves among their ranks:

army-extremism

A slideshow presentation shown to US Army Reserve recruits classifies Christians, including both evangelicals and Roman Catholics, as religious extremists, placing them in the same category as skinheads, the Ku Klux Klan, Hamas and Al Qaeda.

The presentation also warned that members of the military are prohibited from taking leadership roles in any organization the Pentagon considers ‘extremist,’ and from distributing the organization’s literature, whether on or off a military installation.

The opening slide warns that ‘the rise in hate crimes and extremism outside the military may be an indication of internal issues all [armed] services will have to face.’

Citing a Southern Poverty Law Center report as evidence that extremism is on the rise, the Army Reserve presentation blames ‘the superheated fears generated by economic dislocation, a proliferation of demonizing conspiracy theories,the changing racial make-up of America and the prospect of 4 more years under a black president who many on the far right view as an enemy to their country.’

A later statement from the Pentagon said that the author of this slide presented this viewpoint without permission, and that the research left much to be desired:

The Archdiocese for the Military Services, a Catholic organization that trains and endorses military priests and chaplains, said in a release that it was “astounded that Catholics were listed alongside groups that are, by their very mission and nature, violent and extremist.”

The AMS called on the Pentagon “to review these materials and to ensure that tax-payer funds are never again used to present blatantly anti-religious material to the men and women in uniform.”

An Army spokesperson said the presentation “was produced by an individual without anyone in the chain of command’s knowledge or permission.” The Army removed the offending slide after receiving complaints.

The person responsible for the presentation, the spokesperson said, “was not a subject matter expert, and produced the material after conducting Internet research.”

“Not a subject matter expert”? No kidding, but that doesn’t explain everything.  Why was he or she assigned to train reserves on extremism in the first place?  Shouldn’t the lack of expertise prompted the Army Reserves to exercise more supervision over its instructor?  Few organizations are as relentlessly hierarchical as the military, and someone in the chain of command appears to have acted … irresponsibly.

Or, as Mark Steyn points out, several someones:

When I first saw the headline, I assumed it must all be a little less obviously bone-crushingly stupid or at any rate more nuanced once you got into the story. But I invite you to look at the accompanying poster for the Equal Opportunity training brief issued by the Army Reserve in Pennsylvania. It lists “extremist” groups, starting with “Evangelical Christianity” at Number One, “Al Quaeda” (misspelled under any Roman rendering of Arabic) at Number Five, “Hamas” at Six, and “Catholicism” rounding out the Top Ten.

Think of the number of people involved in the creation, printing and distribution of this graphic — and along the way not one of them stopped to say, “Hey, this is totally dumb.”

One does have to be amused, however, at the last entry on the list — “Islamophobia”.  That follows a half-dozen references to various Islamist groups, including one that the Obama administration is currently attempting to engage (the Muslim Brotherhood), and “Sunni Muslims” — without any other qualifiers.  I imagine the Shi’ites appreciate that conclusion, but since there are over 1.6 billion Muslims around the world and Sunnis comprise 75%-90% of them (according to Pew), isn’t that inclusion “Islamophobia” in and of itself?

“Totally dumb” is letting everyone connected to this training seminar off too easily.

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Neither Christian Identity nor Army of God are Christian. They may like to claim they are, but they aren’t.

What is up with all the muslim flags? (And the one with the fist in the star – is that a Black Panther one, Army of God, or another muslim one?) Sort of belies the listing of all those other organizations.

Resist We Much on April 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

That’s a decent rundown, though I might disagree slightly on a point here or there.

They were the Protestants even Protestants hated in Germany.

unclesmrgol on April 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM

LOL, that’s one way to put it! You better be careful and not slander Lutherans, though. We might come to your house with a potluck and force you to eat! ;)

GWB on April 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM

As any veteran knows, there is a vast range of subjects where the military’s object in having a program is to have a program, not to have it accomplish anything.

PersonFromPorlock on April 8, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Well and not to mention the PC crap that led to Hasan getting as far as he did in the military. My hubby retired in Feb. and I am glad. My 14 year old keeps pushing to join ROTC next year and I just don’t want to encourage the military anymore. I just don’t like the way it is heading.

melle1228 on April 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM

The Hasan shooting was the last straw for me. Not only are our troops not trusted to carry their own weapons on base, which have saved lives during the Hasan shooting, but the P.C. that enabled the shooting and the outright lies afterward in an attempt to save face convinced me that the military is not safe to join. Women on the front lines would make it even less safe.

The thing is, it is good to have conservatives learn how to fight in case we ever need to use it. What to do, what to do.

Daemonocracy on April 8, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Also, how does Ku Klux Klan get to be classified as Christian?

Blaise on April 8, 2013 at 2:37 PM

As a devout Mormon I am offended that I did not make the list. We are just a Christian as Catholics and Evangelicals (regardless of what Evangelicals think).

Definition of Hate Speech: Anything that liberals hate to hear, especially if they cannot refute it.

Definition of Terrorist: Any group that might prevent leftists from achieving their agenda (like informed American voters).

The Rock on April 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM

How about that national divorce, now?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 8, 2013 at 1:25 PM

This.

justltl on April 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

As an Evangelical Christian I am proud to be on that list! Bible believing Christians do bizarre and strange things. Yesterday, 2000 of us stood around and sang songs together. Who does that? We bowed our heads and asked God to forgive us, we voluntarily give more than 10% of our earnings to charity.

We certainly are an extremist group and if we continue to grow we will transform America.

So I appreciate that we made the list. It is nice that the secular powers are noticing.

Trey

TMink on April 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Sadly the country is in major decline. The leftists/Marxists/Communists have taken over the institutions. The Republicans will not fight against this takeover. What comes next will not be pretty.

alanstern on April 8, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Look how “easy” this would be:

What a wonderful world.

justltl on April 8, 2013 at 3:35 PM

C’mon. It can happen. I even have some nice new names for the new countries.

justltl on April 8, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Citing a Southern Poverty Law Center report as evidence that extremism is on the rise, the Army Reserve presentation blames ‘the superheated fears generated by economic dislocation, a proliferation of demonizing conspiracy theories,the changing racial make-up of America and the prospect of 4 more years under a black president who many on the far right view as an enemy to their country.’

Well, that first sentence explains a lot. The SPLC is a hate group itself, and has been since they changed the word “racism” to mean…

anyone who doesn’t worship the Obamessiah.

Why even include the word “black” before the title of President except to instill the idea that only racism could cause you to oppose the most radically left wing demagogue ever elected to the office..

come on anonymous author, can you be any less a mindless simpleton?

can it be any more obvious who you voted for?

and seriously, does any leftist really think we’d love a white Obama any more? The “moderate” lie fell by the way when even his sycophantic media admitted during his second inaugeral… “well… I guess he really is a flaming left winger after all.” I don’t care if he’s royal purple, he’s an inept dolt who is majorly screwing the country up. and…. can anyone explain how a man raised, sheltered, coddled and mentored by communists exclusively, and can’t understand how this country actually works.. is worthy of respect? When millions are suffering under his reign or error..

so.. it’s call anyone Christian an extremist.. because anyone who wants to preserve their freedom of worship is an enemy of the state to the Obama worshiping crowd.

and the SPLC can go —- itself.

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 3:48 PM

justltl on April 8, 2013 at 3:46 PM

aw.. do I HAVE to move?.. out of 88 Ohio counties, 78 are red.. the problem is the ten blue are heavily urban. That, and Ohio in 2012 installed touch screen voting, and THAT, is the biggest reason I believe they stole Ohio. I demanded confirmation my vote was tallied correctly, and the poll watchers got p*ssed. “You can ask the screen for a print out”.. oh.. and after the polls close, that matters when democrats have access to the software?

I absolutely do not trust democrats at the polls,.. not after that Ohio dem poll watcher admitted to voting multiple times and helping others do the same..

and she thought is was perfectly ok.. to stupid to understand she had committed a federal crime. No clue as to why she was arrested..

If Ohio is really blue and not purple,.. I’ll move. But after that bit of confirmation to the distinct unease raising the hair on the back of my neck while voting in this new system.. I doubt it’s all that blue. Democrats cheat, always, the one truism is they will always have counties returning more votes than they have residents.. something the media refuses to look into. Their hand picked stooge won.. so why would they be ethical all of a sudden.

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Notice that the ONLY religions to be generalized are the evangelical christains, catholics, and mormons. In regards to muslims, they only mention specific organizations.

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

One of the Militaries diversity assets probably got the assignment. That or it was meant not to single out Muslims and make them feel bad about themselves or slow down an elites oil contract.

BL@KBIRD on April 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

6, but minus one for the “islamophobia” crack

And yet they don’t mention “christinophobia”. Guess they forgot about all the church burnings and such that happened back in the Scandanavian countries in the 90s. Count Grishnak ring a bell? “It” and “All”?

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Well, that first sentence explains a lot. The SPLC is a hate group itself, and has been since they changed the word “racism” to mean…

anyone who doesn’t worship the Obamessiah.

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Actually, they’ve been a hate group a lot longer than that.

GWB on April 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

The Hutts are kinda like Amish lite. They dress much the same but drive cars. They have a commercial farm and sell really great tasting chickens and turkeys, veggies and ummmmm good bread. They mind their own business which our current governor can’t seem to do.

Kissmygrits on April 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

The Hutterites are the Amish-lite group. This presentation was talking about Hutaree, which is different.

J.S.K. on April 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

I’d be interested to know the last name or religious affiliation of the person who put together this little presentation.

hopeful on April 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Surprised “homophobia” isn’t on the list.

Akzed on April 8, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Seriously?!? Give me a break. Somebody needs to lose their job over this…

JohnAGJ on April 8, 2013 at 4:58 PM

This isn’t funny. This is dead serious.

I doubt the individual installing the text was naive. This is the natural direction of information slowly being eased into our culture at the levels the feds control. That would be training programs, regulations and definitions used in regulations of law. Unnamed person probably got a pat on the back for courage to reveal the underlying enemies of the State. Individual may already have been programmed in high school, or college

I met a parochial school graduate who said they had it beaten into them by the nuns that minorities cannot discriminate, only majorities. He said you were not allowed to disagree.

We have a running PS ad against speaking the phrase ‘that’s so gay’. Now, if gay is good, the phrase should be a compliment. Everyone understands that at some level. What the ad is really saying, is you have no right to associate gay, with a negative. This is not being taught as a school creed, but as a universal imperative. Tolerance is no longer sufficient.

Religion itself would be in full frontal attack, except – that the image of islam is being softened by equalizing islam to non jihadist faiths

The first step was the Bush mantra, Islam is the religion of peace like all other religions. Thus, schools kids are made to bow on prayer rugs until they understand the religion is not a threat.

Now, the radical parts of islam are being redefined by equalizing them to the conservative Christian denominations. This new word association can be used to detach islam from islamic terrorism, but also to rebuild the image of the Christian denominations as a threat

The fact this training material made is this far is dead serious.

we are setting up for great battles, because a war has been declared

entagor on April 8, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Why is anyone surprised by this? This administration is the most Anti-Christian administration in the history of this nation. People have laughed at anyone who says that Christians are under attack should have plenty of proof now!

flytier on April 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Exactly! They are the most any religious and racist organization in the country.

flytier on April 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM

I’d be interested to know the last name or religious affiliation of the person who put together this little presentation.

hopeful on April 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

It’s Equal Opportunity Training. I can’t speak for the Army but the Navy’s ranks of EO people include more than a few with very decided and very biased opinions about “social justice” in American society. I wouldn’t be shocked in the least to learn that whoever put that “training” together has an ax to grind with religious groups.

Happy Nomad on April 8, 2013 at 5:17 PM

I am sure everyone at HA (even bluegill and the trolls) is aware that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a bunch of ultra-left whack-jobs and is run by a a rather unethical man who has been accused of misusing the organization’s funds. The organization admits that it only studies right wing extremist groups, not left-wing extremist groups.

Yet, more frequently the SPLC is quoted by the media as an unbiased authority.

bw222 on April 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

They also included Mormons.

Evangelicals, Catholics, and Mormons. What BS.

Blake on April 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

…is there a problem with that?
turdfreeorpee
noforeskin
spermsequestrian
mo-lestor
UrbanDefeatist
braying ba11s

KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 5:28 PM

They also included Mormons.

Evangelicals, Catholics, and Mormons. What BS.

Blake on April 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Correction: they only included the FLDS, under the category “Morman.” Which is really appropriate when you think about it, because any man who can keep multiple wives satisfied would have to be mor man than the rest of us.

Sockpuppet Politic on April 8, 2013 at 5:39 PM

… … and Islam and Muslims are to always be given the highest respect. Good thing we had a rather different Army in WWII.

VorDaj on April 8, 2013 at 5:41 PM

As a devout Mormon I am offended that I did not make the list. We are just a Christian as Catholics and Evangelicals (regardless of what Evangelicals think).

The Rock on April 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Besides, you’d be hard-pressed to find a group more extreme than us. I mean, we believe people should actually do the things Christ taught! Crazy, no?

Sockpuppet Politic on April 8, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Surprised “homophobia” isn’t on the list.

That would be inferred with the “Christian” labels, most likely.

hawkeye54 on April 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Many of our Generals and Admirals are traitors.

Ceteris Paribus on April 8, 2013 at 5:49 PM

How did “Liberation Theology Christian” NOT make the list ??

Does this mean our “Christian” President IS NOT a possible Extremist Radical?

OT –
No matter how many times I see this facepalm pic…….It brings a smile to my face.

Every time.

FlaMurph on April 8, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Who authored that? Was it the same guy who was brainwashing fed employees that the Pilgrims and the Puritans were illegal aliens?

dogsoldier on April 8, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I find it astonishing that no one else is asking this or calling the Pentagon to account. This is extraordinary.

Jaibones on April 8, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Many of our Generals and Admirals are traitors.

Carefully selected for that attribute. The higher up, especially for staff, the more political and left leaning it has become by design.

hawkeye54 on April 8, 2013 at 6:02 PM

OT –
No matter how many times I see this facepalm pic…….It brings a smile to my face.

Every time.

FlaMurph on April 8, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I see the ‘Duke’ reference, but I missed the specific incident – what was actually happening that prompted three facepalms and a glare of doom?

Midas on April 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Soon I anticipate a long night of stained-glass windows breaking as we replay Germany 1930s…and among them will be more than a few anti-social con, Republicans, who hurl spittle every time they hear the word God mentioned.

Evil is out-of-the-closet in America and the smoke of Hades won’t go back into the darkness below until it gets its captives.

Don L on April 8, 2013 at 6:19 PM

No one is going to lose their job over this.

It’s simply prt of the ever-growing, politically-correct, focus-group oriented disposition of military leadership.

This kind of stuff has been running rampant in the DoD for decades.

I was ‘counseled’ back in ’93 as a young airman when I told a civilian ‘instructor’ where to go and what to do with her ‘Quality Air Force’ presentation.

The person who put this together probably got promoted.

catmman on April 8, 2013 at 6:21 PM

The only extremist Catholics are those like Pelosi and Biden.

Gatekeeper on April 8, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Hey, where’s the Church of Global Warming?

RadClown on April 8, 2013 at 6:38 PM

My first 100 days as Benevolent Dictator are going to be so busy:

- burn all copies of Obamacare
- force Kim Jung Un to get P90X
- declare SPLC a terrorist organization
- declare Nancy Pelosi’s botox a terrorist organization
- declare CAIR a terrorist organization
- deport Piers Morgan
- revoke the passport of Dennis Rodman
- indict, convict and sentence Eric Holder
- indict, convict and sentence Kathleen Sibelius
- indict, convict and sentence Michael Bloomberg
- schedule drone strikes

Nutstuyu on April 8, 2013 at 7:08 PM

What about all of us subversive Zoroastrians??? I demand recognition! This is discrimination!!!

No Justice! No Peace!

Tremor on April 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Just curious, what does your religion consider marriage to be? As long as we’re falling over backward (or bending forward?) for tiny minorities.

/sarc

Nutstuyu on April 8, 2013 at 7:12 PM

My wife is Catholic (I only joined because of the open bar) and she ALWAYS is after me to go to church. Now I know why – she is an extremist. She is also in charge of the coffee on Sunday :)

Who eats pigs in a blanket for breakfast? That’s right – the extreme do my friends, only the extreme.

famous amos on April 8, 2013 at 7:20 PM

As I understand it, the slideshow also defined anyone who believes Barack Obama is CinC of the US military as a “supremacist”.

Supremacist
Any person(s) maintaining the ideology, quality, state of being, or position of being superior to all others in something

Gun control advocates such as Obama are also “extremists”.

Extremist
A person who advocates the use of force or violence; advocates supremacist causes based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, or national origin; or otherwise engages to deprive individuals or groups of their civil rights

malclave on April 8, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Actually, they’ve been a hate group a lot longer than that.

GWB on April 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I stand corrected then…

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Is this true.. or urban myth.

I’ve read online that Obama’s DOD has been quietly purging through retirement and relief of command Generals considered too… shall we say.. conservative?

While greasing the career skids for all the ticketed liberals to the one and two star status?

It would not surprise me that the most radical demagogue in chief ever, has made promotion to General a political program to advance lefty officers. Frightening, that a president would promote apparatchiks over merited and talented officers. How many lives will that cost the next time we have to deploy a field army?

I’m thinking rather sadly about the careerist politically chosen Union Generals early on. All the lost battles by Generals unfit to command. It prolonged our bloodiest war, Please, God, don’t let this one be true.. We’ve already sacrificed too many young people..

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Carefully selected for that attribute. The higher up, especially for staff, the more political and left leaning it has become by design.

hawkeye54 on April 8, 2013 at 6:02 PM

As a non-veteran, I am a little reticent to say that, but it is exactly what I think. There is no rational explanation for a little fairy like Wesley Clark making General in a warfare meritocracy. So I guess it isn’t a warfare meritocracy.

Jaibones on April 8, 2013 at 7:32 PM

This government is a disgrace and a stain on the history of this country.

WisCon on April 8, 2013 at 7:42 PM

As a non-veteran, I am a little reticent to say that, but it is exactly what I think. There is no rational explanation for a little fairy like Wesley Clark making General in a warfare meritocracy. So I guess it isn’t a warfare meritocracy.

Jaibones on April 8, 2013 at 7:32 PM

My experience didn’t deal much with ranking officers above Major. I’ve met Generals, been given direct commands, and a request.. when we had a near Broken Arrow incident.

But the word was way too many non combat officers were being promoted to high command, supply and logistics types, personnel assignment, payroll wonks. In the SP Squadrons, the officers were generally promoted within the field, though there would be the odd Captain transferring from some other specialty, that was a pain, as they needed to patrol with Airmen to gain the actual experience to lead us in combat if the need arose. I was assigned Priority A at a SAC Missile Base. So the footing was always at a war tempo.

I hope these stories of Obama purging undesirable Generals are wrong, but I doubt it. He has a pattern of packing left wingers in to the exclusion of anyone else through his Cabinet Chief’s.

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Has Armin been in yet, to unleash his inner rage demons on you SoCon Christians, who undoubtedly ARE extremists? Just wonder’n?

JFKY on April 8, 2013 at 8:05 PM

It turns out Nancy Piglosi really is a good Catholic.

Who knew?

Laura in Maryland on April 8, 2013 at 8:41 PM

But the word was way too many non combat officers were being promoted to high command, supply and logistics types, personnel assignment, payroll wonks.

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 7:54 PM

In my ignorance I find that extraordinary. How can a logistics officer become General in a military force? Sounds exactly like what a Clinton or Obama would do. Making a girly man your C in C is national suicide.

Jaibones on April 8, 2013 at 8:53 PM

How can a logistics officer become General in a military force?

Because troops use207 pounds of combat consumables per man per day….32 pounds of water per day….150 pounds of POL per day…it must all be boxed up, shipped, unpacked, accounted for and distributed over long distances, first from CONUS and then once in theatre usually several hundred kilometres…

And that takes planning and man power…and all equals VICTORY…and without it it equals DEFEAT….

It’s like the Professional Sports Salary Cap(s) no small salary teams win championships….now having a hi salary base doesn’t mean victory, but a low salary base guarantees DEFEAT. So too logistics, you don’t get your 207 pounds per man per day there on time, you lose. Getting it there doesn’t mean you win, but failure means you lose.

And so logistics is a vital element in US Defense, and IF a man or woman cannot rise to four-star (General/Admiral Rank)then the ambitious and capable will NOT move to Logistics….and you will lose.

So Logisticians need to be able to advance in prestige and power or only losers will go into it.

Bottom-Line: It takes Logistics Generals to win wars. You can draw all the circles and arrows on the map you want, but without the REMF/Loggie Dawgs it’s all foolishness. Rommel was NOT a good logistician, Montgomery was…who won?

JFKY on April 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM

And only because there wasn’t enough room this year, they were unable to list the Boy Scout of America, the Rotary Club, the Jaycees and all local bowling leagues.

Anyone get a quote from Boehner on this? How about McCain? Chris Christie?

RINO’s never get asked about things like this. For some reason they just never do. They seem to slip right out the back door and are never around. But let some conservative say something and bam.. those RINO’s are out there in front of the camera’s “That is so reprehensible!”

JellyToast on April 8, 2013 at 9:45 PM

LOL, that’s one way to put it! You better be careful and not slander Lutherans, though. We might come to your house with a potluck and force you to eat! ;)
GWB on April 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM

ZOMG TERRORISTIC THREATS OF FOOD POISONING!!!111!!1!!!eleventy!11

Asurea on April 8, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Turning the other cheek is so…extreme.

trapeze on April 8, 2013 at 10:02 PM

I turn both cheeks in their general direction.

justltl on April 8, 2013 at 10:17 PM

aw.. do I HAVE to move?

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

No, but you’ll want to move.
Rolling plains and rich, black earth just like Ohio.
And cities of gleaming steel and shining glass, sort of like Ohio.
And a return to excellence, morality, and the rule of law. Where your kids can play outdoors again. Where you’re free to achieve your full potential and help your fellow man in the process.
But most of all where the air is filled with the sweet smells of prosperity and freedom.
Yep, you’ll want to move to where the old Ohio will exist again.

justltl on April 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

LOL, that’s one way to put it! You better be careful and not slander Lutherans, though. We might come to your house with a potluck and force you to eat! ;)
GWB on April 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM

ZOMG TERRORISTIC THREATS OF FOOD POISONING!!!111!!1!!!eleventy!11

Asurea on April 8, 2013 at 9:55 PM

The CIA feeds people lutefisk when waterboarding would take too much time.

malclave on April 8, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Er, that should probably be shining steel and gleaming glass. Whatever. What it won’t be is the fetid sewer ruled by floating libs and leftists that our nation is in the process of becoming.

justltl on April 8, 2013 at 10:38 PM

The state of America

VorDaj on April 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Maybe some of our guys in Congress can start cutting government funds to liberal hate groups like the SPLC.
Our guys should be gutting any funds these jerks get to propagandize us and demonize us.

Iblis on April 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

More tinfoil hat stuff…y’all just paranoid.

/s

And this is just their religious association list. They must certainly also be suspicious of discharged/retired Veterans, TEA partiers, and Oath Keepers?

I’ve read online that Obama’s DOD has been quietly purging through retirement and relief of command Generals considered too… shall we say.. conservative?

While greasing the career skids for all the ticketed liberals to the one and two star status?

mark81150 on April 8, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Heard the same, but who can say for sure? Doesn’t matter. This stuff comes out and we Etch-a-Sketch sheeple shake our heads and we forget about it.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 8, 2013 at 11:04 PM

LOL, that’s one way to put it! You better be careful and not slander Lutherans, though. We might come to your house with a potluck and force you to eat! ;)

GWB on April 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM

As a Catholic, it’s my job to slander Lutherans.

The German the Huttites speak was affected by their affiliation with local Lutherans from eastern Europe who spoke using Uralic family languages — and who used an ancient Uralic form called “Carpathian” as their liturgical language. The German the Huttites originally spoke has been supplanted by Carpathian — perhaps deliberately, in order to isolate them from their neighbors. However, given that their founder spoke German, they issue edicts in both languages.

Of course, as anabaptists, they believed in re-baptism — they did not (and do not) recognize infant baptism as valid, in spite of Scripture to the contrary, and as a result, those who were baptized as infants re-baptized themselves. That significantly separates them from either Lutherans or Catholics, who believe that exactly one baptism is needed, and no more.

unclesmrgol on April 8, 2013 at 11:13 PM

And yet, if tomorrow one of the editors were to post a column about how the military was no longer respected, or critical of the military, or even just one of those feel good “Thanks, military for being super awesome” posts. You can bet the comments would be full of unconditional praise for the oh-so-infallible military.

The cognitive dissonance on the right with their low opinion of federal government, but unwavering support of the most powerful, most oppressive arm of that very same federal government is just hilarious.

“I hate the government of the Soviet Union and the criminals running it, and everything they stand for. But the Red Army is the greatest and most noble force on the planet and keeps us free.” See how stupid you guys look to unbiased 3rd parties?

Daikokuco on April 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Of course, as anabaptists, they believed in re-baptism — they did not (and do not) recognize infant baptism as valid, in spite of Scripture to the contrary, and as a result, those who were baptized as infants re-baptized themselves. That significantly separates them from either Lutherans or Catholics, who believe that exactly one baptism is needed, and no more.

unclesmrgol on April 8, 2013 at 11:13 PM

You mean, like the Baptists?

Yeah, that’s one extreme group there!

Oh, and there is no scripture saying to baptize infants. It was “Repent and be baptized.” Infants don’t really do repentance.

The dispute between the infant baptizers and the Baptists or anabaptists is not how many baptisms are needed, but whether baptism of an infant counts as baptism. The Baptist position is that you are baptized, just once, after you are saved.

That was also the position of all the anabaptist groups. The reason they were called “rebaptizers” was because those who practiced infant baptism believed converts were being baptized again, while the so-called “anabaptists” believed that being baptized as an innocent child with no sense of sin or of repentance wasn’t really a baptism.

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 8, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Daikokuco on April 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM

There may be a difference between how someone views the military in general, and how he or she views the Flag Officer Politicians and the Powerpoint Rangers. :)

[quote] See how stupid you guys look to unbiased 3rd parties?[/quote]
How would you know how an inbiased person views anything?

malclave on April 9, 2013 at 12:12 AM

oh hai insanity wolf!

tom daschle concerned on April 9, 2013 at 12:31 AM

This isn’t funny. This is dead serious.

I doubt the individual installing the text was naive. This is the natural direction of information slowly being eased into our culture at the levels the feds control. That would be training programs, regulations and definitions used in regulations of law. Unnamed person probably got a pat on the back for courage to reveal the underlying enemies of the State. Individual may already have been programmed in high school, or college

I met a parochial school graduate who said they had it beaten into them by the nuns that minorities cannot discriminate, only majorities. He said you were not allowed to disagree.

We have a running PS ad against speaking the phrase ‘that’s so gay’. Now, if gay is good, the phrase should be a compliment. Everyone understands that at some level. What the ad is really saying, is you have no right to associate gay, with a negative. This is not being taught as a school creed, but as a universal imperative. Tolerance is no longer sufficient.

Religion itself would be in full frontal attack, except – that the image of islam is being softened by equalizing islam to non jihadist faiths

The first step was the Bush mantra, Islam is the religion of peace like all other religions. Thus, schools kids are made to bow on prayer rugs until they understand the religion is not a threat.

Now, the radical parts of islam are being redefined by equalizing them to the conservative Christian denominations. This new word association can be used to detach islam from islamic terrorism, but also to rebuild the image of the Christian denominations as a threat

The fact this training material made is this far is dead serious.

we are setting up for great battles, because a war has been declared

entagor on April 8, 2013 at 5:10 PM

You’re absolutely correct. This isn’t facepalm comedy hour material, this is flat out frightening. And we’d better start taking it seriously before it’s too late.

Cylor on April 9, 2013 at 1:40 AM

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 8, 2013 at 11:50 PM

So when Scripture in Acts (in three separate verses) talks about entire families being baptized, somehow the infants are left out.

When you are told to go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, you should spare the children this indignity.

Jesus has said that noone can enter heaven unless he has been born again of water and of the Holy Sprint (John 3:5).

Jesus also admonished adults to let the children come to Him (Matt 19:14)

In Luke 18:15 we find that even infants were brought to Him.

In Col 2:12, Paul tells us that baptism is the “circumcision of Christ”. Now, in the Jewish culture, when is circumcision performed?

So, let me put it to you this way — why would you deny your child entry to heaven?

As for baptism happening AFTER you are saved, as you state in your comment — well, if that is true, what is the need for any form of baptism at all?

unclesmrgol on April 9, 2013 at 2:55 AM

We have met the enemy and he is them white Christians.

bluesdoc70 on April 9, 2013 at 6:35 AM

Who knew? I’m a catholic so I’m a terrorist? Far out!

tbear44 on April 9, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Yet, more frequently the SPLC is quoted by the media as an unbiased authority.

bw222 on April 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Quoting the SPLC on civil rights is like quoting Velikovsky on astronomy.

PersonFromPorlock on April 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Seriously?!? Give me a break. Somebody needs to lose their job over this…

JohnAGJ on April 8, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Maybe … you should look to some of the material on your own web site that says as much. Your blog page is no Christian love fest.

hawkdriver on April 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM

unclesmrgol

You’re going to argue over a minor difference as when to baptize?

Seriously?

Last I checked, Christ didn’t come to lay down a religion of rules and ceremonies, but instead give us a relationship with the Father. Love God is the number one command, followed by love ONE ANOTHER. Arguing about baptism, I don’t think it made the list… nor does telling someone they are denying their child entry into heaven for not following your interpretation. I read the same passages, chief, and it’s MY BELIEF baptism is to be a CHOICE and outward sign of acceptance. A merciful God doesn’t send children -who can’t make a choice – to hell because we didn’t do some water splashin’. You can believe what you want. I can believe what I want. At the end of the day, it’s still one body of Christ, under one baptism.

Funny how people get so hung up on “rules”. It’s easy to follow religion… to be an actual disciple of Christ and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, not so much. So hang onto your nitpicking in scripture to prove yourself right. Whatever makes you feel better, chief.

All said with love of course…

tyketto on April 9, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Late to this thread.

For anyone who wants a look into the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Weekly Standard wrote an excellent article about the carney huckster known as Morris Dees.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/king-fearmongers_714573.html

itsspideyman on April 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM

tyketto on April 9, 2013 at 9:18 AM

I’m merely pointing out the Scriptural argument for infant baptism — an argument which the vast majority of Christians understand and observe.

At this level of argumentation, we are indeed talking about rules. Yours say that the person has to comprehend the baptism, whereas the Church teaches that the person does not.

unclesmrgol on April 9, 2013 at 9:09 PM

And yet, if tomorrow one of the editors were to post a column about how the military was no longer respected, or critical of the military, or even just one of those feel good “Thanks, military for being super awesome” posts. You can bet the comments would be full of unconditional praise for the oh-so-infallible military.

The cognitive dissonance on the right with their low opinion of federal government, but unwavering support of the most powerful, most oppressive arm of that very same federal government is just hilarious.

“I hate the government of the Soviet Union and the criminals running it, and everything they stand for. But the Red Army is the greatest and most noble force on the planet and keeps us free.” See how stupid you guys look to unbiased 3rd parties?

Daikokuco on April 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM

You beclown yourself… “most oppressive”?

as if the US Army were telling us they are going to indoctrinate our kids far left in grade school, as the federal guidelines on curriculum actually does. Your Church believes abortion is wrong, or homosexuality is a sin,.. they harass your children for those opinions. Hold any opinion the liberal teacher doesn’t like, and expect to be comforting a child who gets ridiculed in class.

Been there, done that..

You twist the reality of our position into a nice tall strawman. Nobody wants no government, just a much less intrusive one which doesn’t set it self up as the high moral authority.. one which doesn’t punish success, and kill jobs in the same act, one which stays out of our lives as much as possible..

You don’t get this point either, we ARE the military essentially, many of us served, many of our kids, family serve, or will serve..

do you have that @ss so far down on your head to think affluent liberals send their kids?.. I can tell you from my experience, they were a distinct minority among the ranks. When Stars and Stripes tells us, 80% voted against Obama.. the demographic is a bit obvious, even today. Do any left’s serve?.. sure,.. but nowhere near the numbers we do.

The cognitive dissonance is yours, not ours, when the left absolutely adores every attempt by the feds to intrude in our lives, while openly expressing contempt for serving troops, and vets. They spit on my Uncle coming back from Vietnam, they give Ayer’s a professorship and control of a group designed to spread communist values..

and you think we’re crazy?

go to Hell.

mark81150 on April 10, 2013 at 7:30 AM

The Clowntard Quotient is all there: they cited the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The fact that the U.S. Army is citing these hubcap thieves shows you how far the quality has gone down in the last decade in the Officer Corps.

victor82 on April 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM


What victor82 said ^^.

Lourdes on April 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Napolitano-group ALSO advise that people online with User IDs in ALL CAPS are to be regarded as extremists, otherwise dangerous to others. AND users who have “symbols” and/or “shapes” as their avatars, looookouuut…

Seriously, this is part of Napolitano/Obama think.

Lourdes on April 10, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Napolitano-group ALSO advise that people online with User IDs in ALL CAPS are to be regarded as extremists, otherwise dangerous to others. AND users who have “symbols” and/or “shapes” as their avatars, looookouuut…

Seriously, this is part of Napolitano/Obama think.

Lourdes on April 10, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I think Napolitano, Obama and most of the current Pentagon taking both of them seriously have had too many drugs in their lifetimes. Seriously, just bad drugs and too many of them.

Lourdes on April 10, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Here is the story from townhall:

http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2013/04/05/military-labels-evangelicals-catholics-as-religious-extremism-n1559433/page/full/

Most importantly this:

Quote: Army spokesman George Wright told Fox News that the briefing happened last year and is just now coming to light.

This was an “isolated incident not condoned by the Dept. of the Army,” he said.

“This slide was not produced by the Army and certainly does not reflect our policy or doctrine,” he said. “It was produced by an individual without anyone in the chain of command’s knowledge or permission.”

Wright said after the complaint was lodged, the presenter deleted the slide, and apologized.

“We consider the matter closed,” he said. Unquote…

It is a non-story, unless proven otherwise…

Le Sigh

Scrumpy on April 8, 2013 at 1:09 PM

The CONCERN is (was and continues to be) that ANYone in ANY position capable of creating and showing such a “presentation” as this to personnel exists.

It’s just outrageous to the actual extremist level that anyone IN or associated with ANY of our armed forces would be able to put such a deranged presentation together and then show it to anyone else within the context of the service.

How many more of these nutty “presentations” have taken place created by Lord-Knows-Who? This one (only this one) is over a year old and only now coming to public exposure but what ELSE has been used to indoctrinate our armed forces with such crackpot ideas as this one?

Lourdes on April 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM

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