Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on April 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

Stereotyped for decades as pro-pot, pro-porn and pro-pacifism, libertarians are becoming mainstream.

Led by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), libertarians hope to become a dominant wing of the GOP by tapping into a potent mix of war weariness, economic anxiety and frustration with federal overreach in the fifth year of Barack Obama’s presidency…

[Ron] Paul and his allies see the re-examination of their ideas as a return to the Republican tradition. The party nominated Barry Goldwater in 1964, who was by any modern conception one of them. Ronald Reagan proclaimed in a 1975 interview that “libertarianism is the heart and soul of conservatism.” But small-government westerners were not enough to forge a winning coalition, so the former California governor cozied up to Southern evangelicals ahead of 1980.

“Libertarian became a bad word in Republican circles when it became a political party associated with libertine ideas – meaning you can do whatever you want, you’re not grounded in moral behavior or adherence to certain traditions,” said Jesse Benton, who chaired Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign and managed Rand Paul’s 2010 Senate race. “Republicans value individual liberty, and that means cost-limited constitutional government and respect for individual empowerment rather than an empowered state. In many ways, as libertarianism expands in the party, we’re getting back to its basics.”

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Rand Paul’s well publicized filibuster last month has vaulted him up the list of Republican contenders in PPP’s newest look ahead to the 2016 Presidential contest…

The big move though has come from Paul. In early February he was in 6th place among Republican contenders at just 10%. Now he’s vaulted all the way up to 2nd place at 17%. Chris Christie is 3rd at 15% and Paul Ryan and Jeb Bush are tied for 4th at 12%. Rounding out the folks we polled are Rick Santorum at 5%, Bobby Jindal at 4%, Rick Perry at 2%, and Susana Martinez at 1%.

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Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul’s threat to filibuster any new gun restrictions is gathering steam, as a dozen of his Republican colleagues have now signed onto his plan.

The Kentucky Republican and Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Mike Lee (R-Utah) first wrote to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid late last month to warn him of their intention to try to tie up the Senate if, as planned, Reid moved forward with legislation that would expand background checks and attempt to crack down on interstate gun trafficking.

Reid is expected to bring a gun-control bill to the floor as early as next week, or perhaps the following week, and Paul is renewing his vow to try to block the measure. Paul’s follow-up letter, obtained by POLITICO, bears Monday’s date and is signed by 13 Republicans, including fellow potential 2016 presidential aspirant Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) — who signed on shortly after Paul’s first threat was issued — and National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman Jerry Moran of Kansas.

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“I can’t adequately describe how unwilling the American people are to get involved in another war in the Middle East,” said one representative. “We’re almost unable to respond,” given what the United States has spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, said another. He described intervention proposals as “half-baked” and argued that “the last thing we need is something ineffective.” A third member summed up the public mood this way: “We are not just war-weary, we are war-wary.”

Both Republicans and Democrats expressed caution about venturing onto Syria’s slippery slope. “This is not a tragedy of our making,” warned one House veteran. He argued that countries in the region need to decide what they want. “Absent that consensus, you can’t act.” This longtime member noted that President Obama won’t be able to do much in Syria without support from Democrats: “You can’t be a war president without having a war party.”

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But basking in Paul’s reflected glory is one thing. The question facing Senate Republicans, and the entire GOP, is how far they want to hang with the libertarian cool kids. True, the new ideas and energy generated by a high-profile iconoclast such as Paul are something the party sorely needs after last year’s electoral setback left the GOP Senate looking stale and impotent. But that particular brand of ideology, with its intractable belief that nearly all federal government is unnecessary, also carries deep risk—particularly as the party tries to woo minority voters who are more likely to view government activism favorably or retain seniors fearful that their federal benefits will be cut.

There may be no better test case for how much Republicans are willing to embrace the current libertarian moment than the potential candidacy of Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan, who is publicly contemplating running for the Senate. Although he reiterated last week that he still hasn’t made a decision, if Amash runs, he might very well emerge as the favorite to win the GOP nomination and compete for the seat currently held by retiring Democratic Sen. Carl Levin…

[A]s Amash might ultimately demonstrate, libertarianism’s fiscal side shrinks the party’s tent. The perception that the GOP favors the rich—something Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus acknowledged last week while unveiling his committee’s blueprint for revival—had a lot to do with the party’s defeat in 2012, as Mitt Romney could attest. Trimming and shelving government programs that help the middle class and the poor risks exacerbating that perception. Moreover, Paul won’t wear the yoke well as a standard-bearer, as shown by his zag on immigration reform this week. His views toward American isolationism and marijuana decriminalization don’t jibe with those of the bulk of his caucus.

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said that conservatives fighting to uphold the federal definition of marriage as between one man and one woman are going to “lose that battle.”…

“If we keep it that way, maybe we can still have the discussion go on without making the decision go all the way one way or all the way the other way. Because I think, right now, if we say, ‘Oh, we’re only going to have, we believe in a federally mandated one-man-one-woman marriage,’ we’re going to lose that battle, because the country’s going the other way right now,” he said…

“If we were to say each state can decide, I think a good 25, 30 states still do believe in traditional marriage, and maybe if we allow the debate to go on for another couple of decades, and see if we can still win back the hearts and minds of people,” he said.

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“Look, the Republican Party isn’t going to change,” former Sen. Rick Santorum said in an interview. “If we do change, we’ll be the Whig Party.”

Santorum continued: “We’re not the Libertarian Party, we’re the Republican Party.”

“If we had candidates in the last two presidential elections who weren’t ashamed of the positions they had on these issues and played offense, instead of listening to the same people who now want to abandon the issues, we would’ve been successful,” said the 2012 GOP runner-up. “And then after they lose, they go and blame social conservatives when the only folks talking about those issues were on the other side!”

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Via Mediaite and MFP.

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You can dismiss everything [Maher] says easily, logically, emotionally and bring up all the myriad ways in which he’s just WRONG WRONG WRONG and how he’s really a COMMIE DOUCHEBAG who hates womenz and all that (that is what unmoderated comments sections are for, right?).

But for anybody interested in growing the influence and impact of liberatarian ideas, it’s worth thinking about the ways in which the libertarian identity fails to move a guy who is anti-prohibition, anti-empire (belatedly!), pro free expression, and pro-much more that falls in line with a libertarian perspective. For better or worse, a Venn diagram of Maher and libertarianism is going to show a huge amount of overlap on things. The same is common among right-wingers too, where many people agree with libertarians on anywhere from 50 percent to 90 percent of issues but recoil from any association with the label or the beautiful, clean-smelling, super-smart, and just-swell folks who self-identify as libertarian.

Without betraying core values, are there ways we can reach these simpatico folks on the right or the left, so as to kickstart (perpetuate!) what Matt Welch and I once bravely called “The Libertarian Moment” and wrote a whole book about?


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Dein Ist Mein Ganzes Herz ( 1929)- Max Raabe

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.

thatsafactjack on April 8, 2013 at 2:36 AM

And no, before you ask, nothing was insured. The entire recording studio, all the equipment and all the instruments were cobbled together by friends and family as they attempted to get me back into recording, and well, that was pretty much the final nail in a coffin that I couldn’t seem to avoid.

SWalker on April 8, 2013 at 2:31 AM

SW, I’ve started with nothing twice. You can do anything.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 2:37 AM

For SWALKER: play this

http://youtu.be/oADN1q_mgeg

High Hopes

Fred

jrsrigmvr on April 8, 2013 at 2:38 AM

OH! I almost forgot!

This Kryptonite – Three Doors Down is for Axefellow.

thatsafactjack on April 8, 2013 at 2:39 AM

McCain and Graham are readying to sell out America for a bit of liberal praise. This is the core of the mainstream GOP.

pat on April 8, 2013 at 2:30 AM

It’s a sickness of the good-guys to long for the praise of the bad-guys, no mistake.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on April 8, 2013 at 2:23 AM

Night . . . *sigh* . . . j r s r i g m v r. Frequently called “Fred.”

. . . I’ve got passwords less encrypted. :)

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 2:39 AM

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.

thatsafactjack on April 8, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Night graceful Jackie.

*bow*

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 2:40 AM

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 2:39 AM

Its ‘junior’s rig mover’. :)

thatsafactjack on April 8, 2013 at 2:40 AM

This Kryptonite – Three Doors Down is for Axefellow.

thatsafactjack on April 8, 2013 at 2:39 AM

:)

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 2:40 AM

Its ‘junior’s rig mover’. :)

thatsafactjack on April 8, 2013 at 2:40 AM

O wow, that helps. lol — thanks Jackie. :)

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 2:41 AM

SWalker on April 8, 2013 at 2:31 AM

SW, I’ve started with nothing twice. You can do anything.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 2:37 AM

We’ll see what happens, but that wasn’t the first disaster, just the last in a rather long and brutal string of them.

SWalker on April 8, 2013 at 2:44 AM

Its ‘junior’s rig mover’. :)

thatsafactjack on April 8, 2013 at 2:40 AM

O wow, that helps. lol — thanks Jackie. :)

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 2:41 A

actually NO

Fred

jrsrigmvr on April 8, 2013 at 2:45 AM

actually NO

Fred

jrsrigmvr on April 8, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Then, back to square one. :) A feeling some of obviously know all too well.

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 2:48 AM

Its ‘junior’s rig mover’. :)

thatsafactjack on April 8, 2013 at 2:40 AM

O wow, that helps. lol — thanks Jackie. :)

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 2:41 A

actually NO

Fred

jrsrigmvr on April 8, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Junior Senior International Grandmaster Virtual Referee… ;p

SWalker on April 8, 2013 at 2:53 AM

Junior Senior International Grandmaster Virtual Referee… ;p

SWalker on April 8, 2013 at 2:53 AM

It’s like a new Rorschach Test. :)

***

All right, I’m out. I’ve got a billion dollar software empire to complete, and it isn’t completing itself.

Bottom:
Sweet Moon, I thank thee for thy sunny beams;
I thank thee, Moon, for shining now so bright;
For, by thy gracious, golden, glittering gleams,
I trust to take of truest Thisby sight.
But stay, O spite!
But mark, poor knight,
What dreadful dole is here!
Eyes, do you see?
How can it be?
O dainty duck! O dear!
Thy mantle good,
What, stain’d with blood!
Approach, ye Furies fell!
O Fates, come, come,
Cut thread and thrum;
Quail, crush, conclude, and quell!

Theseus:
This passion, and the death of a dear friend, would go near to make a man look sad.

Hippolyta:
Beshrew my heart, but I pity the man.

You know, I could kiss the girl anyway. And that’s pretty sick.

*sigh*

Passing forward for Morning Crew:

We have to change but not in the way the “elites” and media want us to.

We have to get back to basic conservatism. Stop worrying about offending people that would never vote our way again.

This trying to be Democrat lite is killing us.

gophergirl on April 7, 2013 at 9:40 PM

I hope we can draw the lines to satisfy our need for some order without drawing any blood. Or much blood. Everyone wants to be fairly represented, but we’re going to need each other, and it would suck to start frowning at one another.

Axe on April 7, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Did you miss out on the primaries last year?

Lucky you.

cozmo on April 7, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I just have three words to add ..

Javier and Valgean.

Work on it.
:-)

pambi on April 7, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 3:49 AM

…oh oh!…did drones take out the morning crew?

KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 6:05 AM

Mornin’! O/T: Greed and globalization aren’t just America’s fault.
Arlo Guthrie “Biden and the New World Order” My take.

kingsjester on April 8, 2013 at 6:32 AM

morning crew reporting for duty….

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 6:42 AM

morning joe finally reporting about the fox news reporter who may go to jail for not releasing her source…

double standard once again….if this was a reporter from one of the alphabet networks, the praise that would be forthcoming from wolfie and tingles…

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 6:46 AM

kingsjester on April 8, 2013 at 6:32 AM

…you’re a smart man kj.

KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 6:47 AM

kingsjester on April 8, 2013 at 6:32 AM

another good take KJ

2nd that KA2

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 6:49 AM

KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 6:47 AM

Thank you. Although, I’m not that smart. Just a decent researcher.

kingsjester on April 8, 2013 at 6:50 AM

morning joe finally reporting about the fox news reporter who may go to jail for not releasing her source…

double standard once again….if this was a reporter from one of the alphabet networks, the praise that would be forthcoming from wolfie and tingles…

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 6:46 AM

…if she would go to jail…tingles would be spitting all over himself in glee.

KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 6:51 AM

kingsjester on April 8, 2013 at 6:50 AM

…unlike the trolls…don’t sell yourself short!

KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 6:52 AM

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 6:49 AM
KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Thank you both, very much.

kingsjester on April 8, 2013 at 6:55 AM

Kj is definitely smart.

SparkPlug on April 8, 2013 at 6:59 AM

double standard once again….if this was a reporter from one of the alphabet networks, the praise that would be forthcoming from wolfie and tingles…

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 6:46 AM

Hey consider the source. I heard the spot where the MSNBC weekend chick talks about us needing to get over the idea of “privitazation” of children instead of them being part of the collective. Really scary stuff that MSNBC actually produced that spot.

Happy Nomad on April 8, 2013 at 7:05 AM

…if she would go to jail…tingles would be spitting all over himself in glee.

KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Yeah because he is stupid like that. A mental midget with no understanding about the protection of a free press built into “that tiny little book” that the left wants to burn for some reason.

Happy Nomad on April 8, 2013 at 7:07 AM

Happy Nomad on April 8, 2013 at 7:05 AM

Creeped me out, too.

kingsjester on April 8, 2013 at 7:07 AM

Thanks, SparkPlug!

kingsjester on April 8, 2013 at 7:09 AM

KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 6:51 AM

you got me there…he would as would the rest of the lsm…

Happy Nomad on April 8, 2013 at 7:05 AM

you’re not kidding

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM

RIP Margaret Thatcher

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM

RIP Margaret Thatcher

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM

Perhaps we can talk about her life today instead of yet another installment in HAs push for gay marriage, curtailed Second Amendment rights, and some sort of amnesty for illegals.

Happy Nomad on April 8, 2013 at 7:58 AM

RIP Lady Thatcher.

tom daschle concerned on April 8, 2013 at 7:58 AM

Don’t hold your breath HN

cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM

No one should conflate libertarian with libertine. Libertarians are quite strong believers in the rule of law; it is the rule of law which protects individual property rights, which is the bedrock principle of libertarianism. Individual property rights means the right to do what you want on your own property, to do what you want with your own money, and to make your own money in the way you want—so long as it doesn’t infringe on someone else’s property rights, i.e., you can’t sell your neighbor’s property to make money for yourself; you can’t enslave someone to make money for yourself, and you cannot do anything to intentionally injure someone else, thus depriving that person of their individual “property” rights.

Rand Paul and others who really ARE the Goldwater legacy really need to do some educating within the GOP; libertarians are the true representatives of conservatism, not “social conservatives,” who never met a law they didn’t love, or a government diktat they wouldn’t support, if it suited their agenda of totalitarianism according to their religious rigors. They are no different from progressives in that respect. Conservatives who are libertarian in their principles don’t waste our blood and treasure on wars of political choice–like G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney did with the support of every non-thinking pseudo conservative who call themselves a “social conservative.” And, they don’t seek to use the courts to make activist law, either, thereby expanding government and stealing revenues to oversee the new programs. And, they don’t seek to expand government to “keep Americans safe,” ala “Dept. of Homeland Security” either, like G.W. Bush did; or to promise giveaways to certain voting constituencies like the “Medicare Reform” big government giveaway to Seniors.

No, libertarian conservatives know full well that expanding government in order to “keep people safe,” or to “provide for their security” or to entitle them to protection from the state, is just a euphemism for taking their money for other purposes, and for enslaving them through GOVERNMENT PATRONAGE. It’s no different from a plantation–the slaves are kept in prison, and the masters provide for all of their needs, anyone who doesn’t like it, well, you don’t have that option, now do you?

I still hold Reagan responsible for polluting the Republican Party with the poison of the “moral majority” which is today’s “social conservative.” It’s been a very sad few decades watching the GOP morph into the MULLAH party of today.

I had hoped that if Romney won, we’d finally be able to shed ourselves of these “meddlesome priests.”
Alas, we were defrauded once again, and the result is the DICTATOR and TYRANT OBAMA. Like Caligula, he is terrorizing an entire world with his psychotic narcissism and ego.

mountainaires on April 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM

mountainaires on April 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM

This one was great. I saved the entire comment. Thank you so much.

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 10:17 AM

I always suspected I was Muslim.

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 10:29 AM

I always suspected I was Muslim.

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Not just a Muslim. A Mullah!

Quite the feather in our hats, no?

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Quite the feather in our hats, no?

hawkdriver on April 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Four wives.

Four.

Axe on April 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

mountainaires on April 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Great – please add Schiavo/GWB, which was passed with not one vote against, from the senate, not even from Hillary. GWB came back from Texas to pass it in the middle of the night, incredibly.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2013 at 1:49 PM

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