ATF pulls license of one particular gun shop

posted at 11:01 am on April 7, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

It took little more than the headline of this article to begin raising eyebrows

Gun shop that sold to mother of Newtown shooter loses license

(Reuters) – The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said on Friday it had revoked the federal license of a Connecticut gun retailer that sold a weapon to the mother of Adam Lanza, who killed 26 people at an elementary school in December.

The agency on December 20 revoked the license of Riverview Gun Sales in East Windsor, Connecticut, ATF spokeswoman Debora Seifert said. The revocation was reported in The Journal News, of Westchester County, New York, on Friday.

“We did revoke their federal firearms license,” she said. The agency did not publicly disclose a reason for the closure.

This announcement has already provoked cries of Tyranny from alarmed Second Amendment defenders, and it’s no mystery why. The old rule of where there’s smoke there’s fire would make it utterly ignorant to see something like this happen and not have more questions. But there is still a lot that we don’t know about this. For one thing, the response from Riverview – the gun shop in question – was rather muted.

A woman who answered the telephone at Riverview on Friday, and did not give her name, confirmed the store had sold a weapon to Lanza’s mother, Nancy, and that its license had been revoked. She declined further comment.

This doesn’t rule out the whole Tyranny! suspicion, because it’s certainly possible that the shop owners feel like they are under the microscope of the ATF and are cautious about talking to the media. But before I go rushing to judgement here, it’s worth noting that there are other possibilities which aren’t far fetched at all. Various businesses get their licenses pulled all the time for offenses ranging from gross misconduct to mundane paperwork snafus. Stores get banned from selling cigarettes or alcohol if one of their employees is found selling to minors a couple of times or if they fail to send in a renewal or inspection form by the proper date.

There was obviously a high profile, extensive investigation after the Newtown shooting which delved into every pertinent fact of the case,and that would have included a look at the shop where the weapons were originally purchased. While it’s not impossible that somebody in the administration is going after this shop out of vengeance, it’s also possible that the aftermath of the investigation turned up some problematic detail about Riverview’s operation. Particularly if it was an honest mistake in their paperwork or a code discrepancy on weapons storage which they will be able to clear up quickly and get their license restored, it would clearly be in their best interest not to go bad mouthing the ATF to reporters.

In fact, while acknowledging that this is completely speculative, if the government had gone in vindictively and yanked their license for no valid reason, I think Riverview would be all the more likely to be screaming to the rafters. The muted tone of their response makes me think that it will turn out to be something far more mundane which will be cleared up and see them back in business. Of course, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep an eye on this. I’ve been very wrong before.

UPDATE: (Jazz) Thanks to readers, apparently the local media has reported incidents of inventory problems at the store prior to the school shooting. This may be part of it.


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…a group without a serious intellectual foundation…
 
bayam on April 7, 2013 at 4:44 PM

 
 
*rimshot*
 
Absolutely hilarious, bayam. Well played. Especially in light of almost all your other posts:
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/14/andrea-mitchell-lets-face-it-dianne-feinstein-pwn3d-ted-cruz-in-that-exchange-on-the-second-amendment/comment-page-3/#comment-6803991
 
He’ll be here all night, folks.
 
He’s probably already fled the thread, frankly.

rogerb on April 7, 2013 at 7:19 PM

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM
no, don’t know who that is

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM

You’ve never read any of his comments here?

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:16 PM

I think you just busted this partisan liar. Even its nic is BS.

CW on April 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I can believe you’re not actually sesquipedalian, I find it harder to believe you’ve never read any of his comments. You two are like peas in a pod insofar as opinion on progressive issues. You’re making the identical points (and basic firearms mistakes) repeatedly.

You’ve never read one of sesqui’s comments, nonpartisan? Really?

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:33 PM

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:16 PM
I think you just busted this partisan liar. Even its nic is BS.

CW on April 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Meh, you can never be completely sure. The honest ones have fessed up when you ask them though. Or sort of. libfreeordie/deathtomediahacks concedes through not denying it. The crafty rogerb set up a thread like a seasoned trapper to catch that one off guard.

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:37 PM

If you contend that there is a “natural right” to self-defense, then in this world, you are necessarily implying a “natural right” to own a gun.

If you argue against the right to self-defense, then you are beyond hope.

hillbillyjim on April 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Libs don’t believe in God, so they think all rights come from government, ie: like the right to condoms. They don’t believe in natural rights Endowed by our Creator, and thus, government HAS NO AUTHORITY to revoke them.

wildcat72 on April 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:37 PM

As I think you noted, the use of small letters and very little punctuation combined with its general mannerisms seem far too in line.

CW on April 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:37 PM
As I think you noted, the use of small letters and very little punctuation combined with its general mannerisms seem far too in line.

CW on April 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Sure did run off fast didn’t it?

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:54 PM

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

no, don’t know who that is

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM

That’s the problem with ghey sex, can’t really see who’s poking you from behind.

Nutstuyu on April 7, 2013 at 8:35 PM

there is no ‘natural right’ to own a gun

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 6:37 PM

There is a natural right to self defense. Firearms are the most fundamental self defense options. You’re irrelevant.

MadisonConservative on April 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

here is the problem as I see it. The store may have some small problems, but nothing that warrants the reaction by the ATF. If that is so, then this is yet again one more example of those in power punishing those who are not in a politically correct fashion.

On the other side of this coin is the ATF (the ONLY agency developed for the sole purpose of controlling a guaranteed Constitutional right. Do we have the bureau of open comments and public outcry? The agency in charge of the decision whether you have due process or not?)using political correctness to send a message all the while in Philly we have the same third rail mindset protecting an abortion doctor of color as he murders not only the children but the mothers. If you will note, the state stopped reviewing abortion clinics for health regulations years ago worrying they would seem to be picking on pro-choicers.

So, we have PC haunting one side and ignoring the other.

THIS is what causes people to stop listening to the government altogether.

archer52 on April 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Bayam and FoolishPartisan shown to be the shallow fools that they truly are in one thread…how splendid! :)

ShadowsPawn on April 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM

There are going to be a lot of traitors in DC hanged at some point.

Good thing that city has a lot of lamp posts.

And “justice” Roberts better start re-reading his Constitution.

wildcat72 on April 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM

There is a natural right to self defense. Firearms are the most fundamental self defense options. You’re irrelevant.

MadisonConservative on April 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Commie libs are anti private property. Especially the MOST fundamental of property rights: The right of self ownership.

IE: I am mine. I belong to ME, I cannot be bought or sold, or owned, not by the government, not by anyone.

wildcat72 on April 7, 2013 at 9:36 PM

there is no ‘natural right’ to own a gun

partisan on April 7, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Please provide us with your definitions of the words I have bolded above.

And remember that the word own is a bit older than you and your ideas are.

Del Dolemonte on April 7, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Please provide us with your definitions of the words I have bolded above.

And remember that the word own is a bit older than you and your ideas are.

Del Dolemonte on April 7, 2013 at 9:37 PM

What we are endowed with by our CREATOR is inalienable by government.

Those rights are above Obama’s “pay grade”, his delusions of divinity notwithstanding.

In other words, Obama, and any state or federal legislature may OPINE on the 2nd Amendment, and so can the courts. But that’s all it is, opinions. Unless the Constitution is amended, the RIGHT to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

wildcat72 on April 7, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Oh, and to Obama’s delusions… When it comes to “creating”, he didn’t build that. Someone else did that before (God).

wildcat72 on April 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Everybody should care about this. If they can do this as punishment.. not because there was a violation of the law.. then this will not be the last time they do it.

We are no longer a nation of laws. It is becoming so blatant. And acceptable.

You embarrass the wrong politician. You end up on the wrong side of an issue. You suddenly find yourself in an unpopular position… then you will pay. You will lose your business. You will lose your property. You will go to jail.

How much further of a step is it to one day pay with your life? Just because you were unpopular and/or embarrassed the wrong politician.

Oh.. we’ll never go there. Yes we will.
If they can get away with this… they will only go further the next time.

JellyToast on April 7, 2013 at 9:57 PM

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

In understanding the Second Amendment as incorporated into the Constitution, I think it is important to remember the historical context. In America at that time, the British regular army had just been defeated by regular and irregular forces formed from a body of men who were more or less well-trained in the use of firearms and were thus able to quickly integrate into effective fighting units.

Inasmuch as the Founding Fathers had a definite aversion to the expense of a large standing army, they sought, via this amendment, to protect the right of the citizenry (aka “the people”) to train itself and thus form a “ready reserve” for the national defense in the event of invasion.

Other arguments in favor of a broad interpretation of the Second Amendment, which include the “natural right” to self-defense (not the same as a God-given right, although similar), and also the protection of the people from oppression by a government which possesses a monopoly on the use of force, are persuasive, but I believe unnecessary in light of the text of the actual amendment.

HTL on April 7, 2013 at 9:58 PM

I can believe you’re not actually sesquipedalian, I find it harder to believe you’ve never read any of his comments. You two are like peas in a pod insofar as opinion on progressive issues. You’re making the identical points (and basic firearms mistakes) repeatedly.

You’ve never read one of sesqui’s comments, nonpartisan? Really?

hawkdriver on April 7, 2013 at 7:33 PM

…I just thought spermsequestrian and noforeskin suffered from a similar permanent constipation problem!

KOOLAID2 on April 7, 2013 at 9:59 PM

There is a natural right to self defense. Firearms are the most fundamental self defense options. You’re irrelevant.

MadisonConservative on April 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Commie libs are anti private property. Especially the MOST fundamental of property rights: The right of self ownership.

wildcat72 on April 7, 2013 at 9:36 PM

And yet at the same time they will take every possible legal and economic advantage of the property rights inherent with government-owned property.

For centuries, one of the historical fundamentals of private real estate ownership has been that the “bundle of rights” associated with said ownership defined the ownership as extending at an angle downwards below the property, narrowing to a point at the center of the earth. Likewise, the ownership also extended in an ever-widening cone “into the heavens” above the property.

Ever been to the People’s Republic of Massachusetts and driven into Boston from the west on the Mass Pike? You will at times pass under concrete underpasses with buildings built atop them; the Corrupt Democrat Massachusetts Turnpike Authority sold the air rights above the Mass Pike to the highest bidder. They also did the same in downtown Boston itself (see the Pru Center).

Yet if you are a private property owner in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts and want to somehow use the air rights above your property, you will be laughed at.

Del Dolemonte on April 7, 2013 at 10:19 PM

rrpjr on April 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Dangit, that guy needs to spend more time on a range. I’m betting the shot in the leg was because he pulled the trigger before he got the weapon on target. Common error in a “combat” situation, but more training will help.

GWB on April 7, 2013 at 10:30 PM

In understanding the Second Amendment as incorporated into the Constitution, I think it is important to remember the historical context. In America at that time, the British regular army had just been defeated by regular and irregular forces formed from a body of men who were more or less well-trained in the use of firearms and were thus able to quickly integrate into effective fighting units.

Inasmuch as the Founding Fathers had a definite aversion to the expense of a large standing army, they sought, via this amendment, to protect the right of the citizenry (aka “the people”) to train itself and thus form a “ready reserve” for the national defense in the event of invasion.

Other arguments in favor of a broad interpretation of the Second Amendment, which include the “natural right” to self-defense (not the same as a God-given right, although similar), and also the protection of the people from oppression by a government which possesses a monopoly on the use of force, are persuasive, but I believe unnecessary in light of the text of the actual amendment.

HTL on April 7, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Yes, the deer rifle of it’s day… The Kentucky Long Rifle. Which was a (roughly) caliber .50 muzzle loading black powder rifle which was extremely accurate and deadly.

Today that would be a .30 caliber deer rifle probably based on the well proven Mauser bolt, chambered in .30-06 or .308 Winchester.

wildcat72 on April 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Suck on this, lefties.
 
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/father-ends-crime-spree-by-shooting-armed-robber-outside-burger-king/
 
rrpjr on April 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM

 
To be remembered and laughed at each time a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy:
 

Sure.. That happened… then.
Glad that’s how that particular one turned out…
 
verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

rogerb on April 7, 2013 at 10:54 PM

@archer52 Nonsense… The dealers lawyer, Robert Altchiler, has stated publicly that the reason for the revocation had nothing to do with Newtown.

The ATF began proceedings to revoke the dealer’s FFL, 18 months before the Newtown shootings. The administrative hearing about the revocation was held last August… Long before Nancy or Adam Lanza where a blip on anyone’s radar.

The fact that 3 days before the Newtown shootings someone walked into Riverview Gun Sales and stole an AR-15 variant right off the counter without anyone there noticing. May have been the straw that broke the camels back, but the seeds where sown much earlier. Probably back in 2007 when LaGuercia contacted the ATF to report that 33 firearms where missing from the store. A guy who worked there occasionally was eventually charged with stealing the guns.

Source: http://www.lohud.com/article/20130406/NEWS/304060050/Lawyer-Gun-dealer-s-license-revocation-unrelated-Newtown

The bottom line, there’s no grand conspiracy here. The ATF isn’t persecuting this guy. The simple truth is any FFL holder who loses track 30+ guns is in for a world of hurt. Franky, I’m surprised it took the ATF this long to yank his license.

jasetaro on April 7, 2013 at 10:59 PM

jasetaro on April 7, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Thank you for the info. Much better perspective.

GWB on April 7, 2013 at 11:08 PM

there is no ‘natural right’ to own a gun

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 6:37 PM

SHALL

NOT

BE

INFRINGED

…seems pretty damn natural to me.

TX-96 on April 8, 2013 at 5:59 AM

Of course, if they can pull the license of one gun shop they can pull them all. Tell me what is to stop them? Please, don’t reply “the GOP.”

Brutus McCain has just told us that they will betray us again.

Calling gun registration; background checks is like the Nazis calling the gas ovens, showers. Forget that naïve, “trust but verify” nonsense.

With our present day ruling class there is but one sane position to hold. “Never trust!” Not one inch!

Don L on April 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM

there is no ‘natural right’ to own a gun

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 6:37 PM

But there is a natural right to defend oneself. Who the bloody blue **** are you to tell me how I can do it?

gryphon202 on April 8, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Franky, I’m surprised it took the ATF this long to yank his license.

jasetaro on April 7, 2013 at 10:59 PM

I’m not. It’s your tax dollars at work.

gryphon202 on April 8, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Typical of the cat-stomping, miscarriage making, burn-em-alive, jack-booted thugs that are the BATF. They are the worst of the worst when it comes to trampling on your liberties, not to mention your cats.

tballard on April 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM

You may be the dumbest Fluking trolls I’ve ever seen around here. Country and government are not the same thing sweetheart.

NotCoach on April 7, 2013 at 2:13 PM

They are to libs…at least when it’s a Democrat gov’t.

mnealtx on April 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM

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