Federal judge: The morning-after pill should be available without prescription — regardless of age

posted at 2:41 pm on April 5, 2013 by Allahpundit

You don’t want your 13-year-old running around town at midnight looking for a pharmacist on duty just to get hold of some Plan B, do you?

Believe it or not, this guy is … a Reagan appointee.

Describing the restriction as “a strong showing of bad faith and improper political influence” Judge Edward Korman of the District Court of Eastern New York directed the Food and Drug Administration to lift it within 30 days.

“The decisions of the Secretary with respect to Plan B One-Step…were arbitrary, capricious, and unreasonable,” Judge Korman wrote, directing the FDA to “Make levonorgestrel-based emergency contraceptives available without a prescription and without point-of-sale or age restrictions within thirty days.”

Health and Human Secretary Kathleen Sebelius rejected in 2011 a request to allow teenage girls and women to buy Plan B over-the-counter in drugstores and pharmacies. In doing so, she overruled the FDA, which was set to rule that the morning-after pill be made available to all women, with no prescription necessary.

It’s “arbitrary” for the Secretary of HHS to distinguish between adult women and minors, who are under the legal supervision of adults and who, needless to say, are at a different stage of physical and psychological development? It is in the context of administrative law, says the judge. A key bit from his opinion:

This case is not about the potential misuse of Plan B by 11-year-olds. These emergency contraceptives would be among the safest drugs sold over-the-counter, the number of 11-year-olds using these drugs is likely to be miniscule, the FDA permits drugs that it has found to be unsafe for the pediatric population to be sold over-the-counter subject only to labeling restrictions, and its point-of-sale restriction on this safe drug is likewise inconsistent with its policy and the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act as it has been construed…

I pause to add these brief words before I begin the discussion of the legal issues. This case has proven to be particularly controversial because it involves access to emergency contraception for adolescents who should not be engaging in conduct that necessitates the use of such drugs and because of the scientifically unsupported speculation that the drug could interfere with implantation of fertilized eggs. Nevertheless, the issue in this case involves the interpretation of a general statutory and regulatory scheme relating to the approval of drugs for over-the-counter sale. The standards are the same for aspirin and for contraceptives. While the FDA properly recognizes that cognitive and behavioral differences undermine “the ability of adolescents to make reasoned decisions about engaging in sexual intercourse,” the standard for determining whether contraceptives or any other drug should be available over-the-counter turns solely on the ability of the consumer to understand how to use the particular drug “safely and effectively.” Ex. A-4 to Pls.’ 2007 Mot. for Summ. J. at T-31097, Case No. 05-cv-366, Doc. No. 235-5. I decide this case based only on my understanding of the applicable standard.

The FDA thinks OTC availability for minors is safe-ish and Sebelius isn’t offering any hard evidence that it isn’t, so that’s that. Not even the secretary of HHS is allowed to limit access to drugs for purely moral/political reasons, even with the president’s endorsement. (And do note, before the left gets going on those prudish wingnuts who fret about young teens accessing Plan B on demand, Obama supported Sebelius’s decision to deny the drug to 16-and-unders.) I’m at the mercy of administrative-law litigators as to whether the legal standard applied here is correct or likely to be reversed on appeal, but presumably Congress could impose the prescription requirement for minors as a matter of federal statute. After all, they have lots of experience with drug distinctions that are more arbitrary than this. Would there be any political will to do so, though? Democrats don’t want this debate because defending a 13-year-old’s right to the morning-after pill without a prescription is … suboptimal politics, which of course is why Sebelius and Obama tried to restrict it. The GOP probably doesn’t want this debate either because it’ll instantly become fodder for liberal slippery-slope shrieking about theocracy and how conservatives want to ban all forms of contraception, even for adults, blah blah blah. Opponents’ best bet is winning on appeal, if not in the Second Circuit then in the Supreme Court. But as to the odds of that happening, I honestly can’t say. Any admin-law experts want to weigh in?


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NAMBLA celebrates: Free pills! Free sex with minors!

Nutstuyu on April 5, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Morning after pill available to whoever, whenever.
Check.

Gun? Sorry, gonna need a fingerprint, background check, and license.

Dafaq?

Gatsu on April 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Lawlessness.
Hedonism.
Destruction.

portlandon on April 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM

These emergency contraceptives would be among the safest drugs sold over-the-counter,

Really?

Every pill in the bottle is designed to kill a baby.

Thats a funny definition of safe.

BobMbx on April 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM

All of the 11 year old Fluke’s jump [into bed] for joy.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Morning after pill available to whoever, whenever.
Check.

Gun? Sorry, gonna need a fingerprint, background check, and license.

Dafaq?

Gatsu on April 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM

In a Libworld (Which we are now in) Handguns loaded with Plan B would be fully automatic. Not Semi-automatic.

portlandon on April 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Cold medicine for kids? BANNED

A drug that kills 50% of those exposed to it…ok!

18-1 on April 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Well, if you’re not working, you gotta be having sex. That’s the liberal way…

Nethicus on April 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

And parental rights continue to be undermined.

nobar on April 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

These emergency contraceptives would be among the safest drugs sold over-the-counter

Right. Until a Fatal Attraction type uses them as a weapon.

forest on April 5, 2013 at 2:49 PM

The GOP probably doesn’t want this debate either because it’ll instantly become fodder for liberal slippery-slope shrieking about theocracy and how conservatives want to ban all forms of contraception, even for adults, blah blah blah.

Are you serious? It’s not even a debate. If we can’t get at least 75% support for requiring parental notification and approval before giving the morning after pill to minors, then sign me up for the Texas Secessionist Movement right now.

Doughboy on April 5, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Did the judge waive liability for the drugstores, dispensaries, pharmaceutical companies, etc, who sell the pills to girls, who then either get sick and/or die?

Of course not.

Judge: You WILL sell this drug to ANY female of ANY age – even one who is NOT old enough to buy the cigarettes that HHS & the FDA require all sorts of dire warnings and Nanny Doomberg demands be kept in the stockroom of the drugstore away from her young, impressionable eyes – and if she is injured or dies, you WILL pay MILLIONS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME ROAR???

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Lawlessness.
Hedonism.
Destruction.

Not completely lawlessness….just ones viewed as moralistic, ethical and judgmental. Far too constraining.

Anything that destroys the Judeo-Christian values and beliefs which influence our laws and culture is to be lauded.

/s

hawkeye54 on April 5, 2013 at 2:50 PM

The GOP probably doesn’t want this debate either because it’ll instantly become fodder for liberal slippery-slope shrieking about theocracy and how conservatives want to ban all forms of contraception, even for adults, blah blah blah.

Are you serious? It’s not even a debate. If we can’t get at least 75% support for requiring parental notification and approval before giving the morning after pill to minors, then sign me up for the Texas $ece$$ioni$t Movement right now.

Doughboy on April 5, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Cold medicine for kids? BANNED

A drug that kills 50% of those exposed to it…ok!

18-1 on April 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Peanut butter sammiches – BANNED.

Contraceptives for tots – COME AND GET ‘EM.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Coca Cola and the Pope faints.

Limerick on April 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM

I don’t understand. If people are too stupid and irresponsible for preventative birth control measures, how is this going to help?

John the Libertarian on April 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM

There should be a companion ruling lowering age of consent to 9 years of age.

I’m sure if a poll were taken a majority of Americans would agree.

/s

hawkeye54 on April 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Cold medicine for kids? BANNED

A drug that kills 50% of those exposed to it…ok!

18-1 on April 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Peanut butter sammiches – BANNED.

Contraceptives for tots – COME AND GET ‘EM.

And from his grave, George Orwell is saying, “Don’t say I didn’t warn you”.

hawkeye54 on April 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Yeah, but you better not take the pill with a 20-ounce Coke.

The Rogue Tomato on April 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM

And from his grave, George Orwell is saying, “Don’t say I didn’t warn you”.

hawkeye54 on April 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM

George is our boy!

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Morning after pill available to whoever, whenever.
Check.

Gun? Sorry, gonna need a fingerprint, background check, and license.

Yes, exactly. But please.. proceed.

inklake on April 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM

You don’t want your 13-year-old running around town at midnight looking for a pharmacist on duty just to get hold of some Plan B, do you?

If my 13-year-old is out at midnight looking for Plan B….. Then it is time for me to turn in my parent card.

And BTW, if that 11-year-old is below the age of legal consent isn’t she, in fact, a rape victim?

Happy Nomad on April 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Nutstuyu on April 5, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Considering what the “MB” stands for, I’m not sure NAMBLA cares much about teen pregnancy.

Allahpundit on April 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM

I don’t understand. If people are too stupid and irresponsible for preventative birth control measures, how is this going to help?

It isn’t supposed to “help”. Its just one more way leftists break down our nation’s moral values. Anything goes, or should.

hawkeye54 on April 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Yeah, but you better not take the pill with a 20-ounce Coke.

The Rogue Tomato on April 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Hilarious, RT.

It won’t be long, and they can suck it down with a swig of Jack Black.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Morning after pill available to whoever, whenever.
Check.

Gun? Sorry, gonna need a fingerprint, background check, and license.

Dafaq?

Gatsu on April 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Clearly liberals hate babies and want them dead, dead, dead. But don’t you dare shoot a criminal trying to kill you.

The Rogue Tomato on April 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM

So, a pregnant 15 year-old can, legally, purchase the morning after pill because she “understands how to use it ‘safely and effectively,’” but she will be expelled from school if she takes the pill at school because educators have adopted a “zero tolerance” policy with regard to ALL drugs since they are either illegal or students do not “understand how to use them ‘safely and effectively.’”

Okey-dokey.

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Considering what the “MB” stands for, I’m not sure NAMBLA cares much about teen pregnancy.

Allahpundit on April 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM

LOL, but we are living in strange times.

One day, we just might wake up and …

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM

The judge also ruled that the pills need to be marketed using a Pez dispenser with the head of Kathleen Sebelius on top.

Mr. D on April 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM

That slippery slope keeps going and going

cmsinaz on April 5, 2013 at 2:57 PM

So, a pregnant 15 year-old can, legally, purchase the morning after pill because she “understands how to use it ‘safely and effectively,’” but she will be expelled from school if she takes the pill at school because educators have adopted a “zero tolerance” policy with regard to ALL drugs since they are either illegal or students do not “understand how to use them ‘safely and effectively.’”

Okey-dokey.

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Not at all.. In some liberal states like Washington, I’d bet they will hand them out. They already refer them and take them to the abortion clinics.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/teen-abortion-high-school/story?id=10189694

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM

>requiring parental notification and approval before giving the morning after pill to minors,

Yeah. and how about requiring parental notification when kids buy condoms? Proceed..

inklake on April 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Oh sure, a kid can buy that in NYC but can’t wash it down with a 20 oz. soda?

Stu Gotts on April 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM

The judge also ruled that the pills need to be marketed using a Pez dispenser with the head of Kathleen Sebelius on top.

Mr. D on April 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM

LOL, Pez dispenser.

But the Pez head should be our jug-eared Bolshevik’s.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 2:59 PM

If it is OTC, won’t it not be covered by insurance? Did anyone check with poor Ms Fluke about this?

rw on April 5, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Considering what the “MB” stands for, I’m not sure NAMBLA cares much about teen pregnancy.

Allahpundit on April 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM

LOL, but we are living in strange times.

One day, we just might wake up and …

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Solidarity!

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 2:59 PM

The barbarism is that we’re still making the poor little dears pay for these wonderful OTC drugs! Have you no shame, So-Cons!?

happytobehere on April 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Hey trolls, try to defend this.

22044 on April 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM

This case is not about the potential misuse of Plan B by 11-year-olds. These emergency contraceptives would be among the safest drugs sold over-the-counter, the number of 11-year-olds using these drugs is likely to be miniscule, the FDA permits drugs that it has found to be unsafe for the pediatric population to be sold over-the-counter subject only to labeling restrictions, and its point-of-sale restriction on this safe drug is likewise inconsistent with its policy and the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act as it has been construed

He seems rather focused on 11-year-olds. He says the number of 11-year-olds to use/misuse the pill is miniscule. How about 15-16 year olds?

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM

LOL, Pez dispenser.

But the Pez head should be our jug-eared Bolshevik’s.

Absolutely.

hawkeye54 on April 5, 2013 at 3:01 PM

The barbarism is that we’re still making the poor little dears pay for these wonderful OTC drugs! Have you no shame, So-Cons!?

happytobehere on April 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM

We should probably send Plan B home in little baby girls care packets from the hospital to have on hand when they become sexually active at five..

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Solidarity!

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 2:59 PM

We might as well laugh.

I am.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Allah,

Remember that during the 80s Senator D’Amato (Republican) had a deal with Senator Moynihan (Democrat) where the latter would get to pick a judge once every three judicial vacancies in New York.

There were several deals like this between Republican and Democratic senators so likely this Reagan pick is actually a “Moynihan” guy.

taney71 on April 5, 2013 at 3:02 PM

…m a n d a t o r y !
…F R E E !

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Oh sure, a kid can buy that in NYC but can’t wash it down with a 20 oz. soda?

Stu Gotts on April 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Also in NYC, she can’t light up a smoke after having done the horizontal mombo.

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Not at all.. In some liberal states like Washington, I’d bet they will hand them out. They already refer them and take them to the abortion clinics.

Teenage pregnancy rates by state in 2008: ages 15-19

#3 Texas – 85/1,000

#30 Washington – 60/1000

#46 Massachusetts – 42/1,000

inklake on April 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM

If it is OTC, won’t it not be covered by insurance? Did anyone check with poor Ms Fluke about this?

Not to worry, it’ll be priced to be competitive and easily affordable on anyone’s allowanc, er, income. With money saving coupons, BOGO offers and manufacturers rebates to boot!

hawkeye54 on April 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Not at all.. In some liberal states like Washington, I’d bet they will hand them out. They already refer them and take them to the abortion clinics.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/teen-abortion-high-school/story?id=10189694

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Correct. A school nurse or other official was involved. I am talking about the girl – on her own – buying the pill, legally, before school and bringing it on campus.

She would be expelled – or, at minimum, suspended – for bringing one Motrin or Midol tablet to school.

If the school didn’t suspend/expel her, they would have an equal protection problem on their hands. Why should students, who bring morning after pills, be exempted from the school’s “zero tolerance policy” – emphasis on zero – while students, who bring safer medications to school face harsh disciplinary measures?

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM

I’m wondering who brought the original case? And why?

Cleombrotus on April 5, 2013 at 3:04 PM

NAMBLA celebrates: Free pills! Free sex with minors!

Nutstuyu on April 5, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Yea, I am sure NAMBLA was really pulling for easier birth control access. . . . . . .

facepalm

thphilli on April 5, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I remember the good ol’ days when child rape was illegal and had to be reported.

2lbsTest on April 5, 2013 at 3:05 PM

LOL– This is what the side effects say:

Nausea/vomiting, abdominal pain, tiredness, dizziness, changes in vaginal bleeding, breast tenderness, diarrhea, or headache may occur. If any of these effects persist or worsen, tell your doctor or pharmacist promptly.
Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.

Tell your doctor immediately if any of these rare but very serious side effects occur: lower abdominal pain.

A very serious allergic reaction to this drug is rare. However, seek immediate medical attention if you notice any of the following symptoms of a serious allergic reaction: rash, itching/swelling (especially of the face/tongue/throat), severe dizziness, trouble breathing

http://www.rxlist.com/plan-b-drug/consumer-side-effects-precautions.htm

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:06 PM

This is typical of the decision making of a “judge” who feels that abortion, or any control over the reproduction process, is a GOD GIVEN right that cannot be controlled by the democratic legislative process. These democrat judges and the democratic bring lie to the democratic process.

Now, the advertising on the Ed Morrissey show automatic ad that has come on 8 times while writing this. The mute doesn’t work, there is no off. I guess that Hot Air only wants ad revenue, not hits. Well, my hits will be down for a while. I invite all you to join me if you are tired of this, unless you would rather suck up than help out. Do you know how many times we have brought this up to Ed? What a bunch of amateur idiots!

Old Country Boy on April 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM

I absolutely love this part of the medicine warnings:

Before using this medication, tell your doctor or pharmacist if you are allergic to it; or to other progestins (e.g., norethindrone); or if you have any other allergies. This product may contain inactive ingredients, which can cause allergic reactions or other problems. Talk to your pharmacist for more details.

This medication should not be used if you have certain medical conditions. Before using this product, consult your doctor or pharmacist if you have: unexplained vaginal bleeding, current or suspected pregnancy.

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM

After some 11 year old has a reaction and dies some NY law firm will start the class action and that will be it.I can hear the lawyers salivating from my house.

docflash on April 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM

testing

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM

What’s the over/under on when it will become mandatory for every girl over the age of 9 to take Plan B regularly.

You know, just in case.

Lily on April 5, 2013 at 3:10 PM

so?

how does this impact me?

nonpartisan on April 5, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Ha, the same conservatives who gnash their teeth over the government nannying them to death, now are horrified that the government would allow morning after pills to be sold over the counter. But you are killing an . . . an . . . embryo!! Oh, the humanity!! Someone call Mike Bloomberg. He is our only hope! Mike, we were so wrong about you. Government moralizing does have a place in society.

Conservatives aren’t too concerned that madmen walk into public schools and start killing the kids. Sure, they don’t like it, but only because it gins up talk of gun control. What does concern them, however, is if an embryo is killed by a pill. Now, that is an outrage that must be stopped! By government intervention if necessary.

If conservatives had their way, assault weapons would be sold at 7/11 to anyone with a Blockbuster Video membership card, but all birth control would be banned by federal government. Then they would dance with joy in their strange, survivalist, yokel utopia while waiting for Jesus to return to kill their enemies.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Gumball Machines .25 cents
Plan B Machines .25 cents

portlandon on April 5, 2013 at 3:13 PM

So our Nation is now infested with mini Dictators??

Well, when we have one in the White House, it eventually
rubs off….

ToddPA on April 5, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Why should students, who bring morning after pills, be exempted from the school’s “zero tolerance policy” – emphasis on zero – while students, who bring safer medications to school face harsh disciplinary measures?

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM

I absolutely agree, but for some reason the laws are so screwy. Take Washington laws. Non-emergency care cannot be consented to by minors unless they “it is not a medical emergency or one of the types of services listed below, minors may still give a valid consent under the “Mature Minor Doctrine” if they are capable of understanding or appreciating the consequences of a medical procedure. In determining whether the patient is a mature minor, providers will evaluate the minor’s age, intelli-gence, maturity, training, experience, economic independence or lack thereof, general conduct as an adult and freedom from the control of parents.” Yet Washington completely waves this doctrine if STD, abortion or birth control is involved and minors can consent to it at ANY age. Liberals are hypocrits..

http://www.cdhd.wa.gov/documents/ConsentformProvidingHealthCaretoMinor...

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Maybe the Muslims are right…?

/

Seven Percent Solution on April 5, 2013 at 3:14 PM

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM

This has nothing to do with embryos. This has to do with my due process rights as a parent. This has to do with interference with my parental duties. Apparently you aren’t “conservative” enough to understand that.

Furthermore, I can’t even buy frickin cold medicine without an I.D., but my five year old can go into a pharmacy and purchase an abortion pill that clearly states in its contraindications to talk to ‘your doctor’ about side effects etc.

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM

I have no fear that within a year the kids will have found a way to abuse these pills for a quick high or to knock out their dates for some defenseless sex (they’ll need one extra pill, though….for the morning after). Or we’ll have another Thalidomide disaster.

In the best case scenario, use of these pills will result in irreversible breast shrinkage, then it’ll die on its own.

BobMbx on April 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM

I thought it was weird Sebelius took the stand to begin with but then thought a lot of teenage girls head to Planned Parenthood in search of morning after pills. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was more about protecting PP than anything else.

msmveritas on April 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Conservatives aren’t too concerned that madmen walk into public schools and start killing the kids. Sure, they don’t like it, but only because it gins up talk of gun control. What does concern them, however, is if an embryo is killed by a pill. Now, that is an outrage that must be stopped! By government intervention if necessary.

If conservatives had their way, assault weapons would be sold at 7/11 to anyone with a Blockbuster Video membership card, but all birth control would be banned by federal government. Then they would dance with joy in their strange, survivalist, yokel utopia while waiting for Jesus to return to kill their enemies.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3

Derangement, it’s what’s for dinner.

ToddPA on April 5, 2013 at 3:17 PM

In administrative law, the presumption is that the agency is interpreting the statute correctly. It is usually extremely difficult to convince a court to set aside any administrative regulation on the grounds that the agency has incorrectly interpreted or applied the statute. I’ve had a fair amount of experience with these issues, though not concerning FDA rules.

I think this ruling is bogus, because the Plan B pill is nothing like an aspirin or other OTC drug. Nobody needs or would want Plan B until they have engaged in sexual intercourse, which the government can reasonably conclude would not occur among minors with parental consent. Therefore it is reasonable for the government to prohibit unfettered access to this drug by minors.

It is also very unusual for such a case to be brought in a court outside of the Washington, DC area. Most of them come to the District Court in Alexandria, VA which has a lot of experience in administrative law appeals. Appeals go to the DC Circuit, which also has a lot of expertise in administrative law. So it looks to me like the plaintiff did a little court-shopping here.

rockmom on April 5, 2013 at 3:17 PM

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM

To be clear, you are in favor of abolishing a parents right to tell their MINOR children no?

nobar on April 5, 2013 at 3:17 PM

What’s the over/under on when it will become mandatory for every girl over the age of 9 to take Plan B regularly.

You know, just in case.

Lily on April 5, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Commerce Clause.

Power to tax.

Whatever.

It’s for the kids.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Not at all.. In some liberal states like Washington, I’d bet they will hand them out. They already refer them and take them to the abortion clinics.

Teenage pregnancy rates by state in 2008: ages 15-19

#3 Texas – 85/1,000

#30 Washington – 60/1000

#46 Massachusetts – 42/1,000

inklake on April 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Got the stats for teenage abortion rates by state?

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Maybe the Muslims are right…?

No joke. Christians will soon realize they have more in common with islamists than they do with ordinary Americans. In the end, they will learn to hate their own government more than they hate the muslims. In the end, it’s going to be those horrible secular, gay-loving liberal infidels vs. The fundamentalists.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM

To be clear, you are in favor of abolishing a parents right to tell their MINOR children no?

nobar on April 5, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Yep as long as KTC sticks it to conservatives somehow..

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM

so?

how does this impact me?

nonpartisan on April 5, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Well, I guess we’ve at least determined that you’re not a teenage girl.

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM

If conservatives had their way, assault weapons would be sold at 7/11 to anyone with a Blockbuster Video membership card, but all birth control would be banned by federal government. Then they would dance with joy in their strange, survivalist, yokel utopia while waiting for Jesus to return to kill their enemies.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3

Check out the crime rates in, oh, Switzerland. Every single home there has a weapon. A real assault weapon too, btw.

Then check out the crime rate in Chicago, where you’ll find the some of the toughest gun laws to be found.

BobMbx on April 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM

If conservatives had their way, assault weapons would be sold at 7/11 to anyone with a Blockbuster Video membership card, but all birth control would be banned by federal government. Then they would dance with joy in their strange, survivalist, yokel utopia while waiting for Jesus to return to kill their enemies.

keep the change on April 5, 2013

ROFL Just a reminder of who we’re dealing with on this subject:

BTW, our humanity does not come to us even at birth. What we are is the subtotal of our life experiences; our goals, our successes, our loses, our joys and pains. As we get older, we accumulate more of what makes us human. A fetus, of course, has none of those. It is just only the beginning phase of what will become a human being at far later date.

keep the change on February 1, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Bishop on April 5, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Well, I guess we’ve at least determined that you’re not a teenage girl.

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Probably a safe bet IT is not a parent.

nobar on April 5, 2013 at 3:21 PM

No joke. Christians will soon realize they have more in common with islamists than they do with ordinary Americans. In the end, they will learn to hate their own government more than they hate the muslims. In the end, it’s going to be those horrible secular, gay-loving liberal infidels vs. The fundamentalists.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Actually there is more precedence with leftist joining with Muslim extremist in history(see Iran 79) but don’t let that stop your trollish musings.

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:22 PM

rockmom on April 5, 2013 at 3:17 PM

I went to law school with someone who ended up being an administrative law judge.

She’s not anymore.

Now, she’s a raging Lesbian with Marxist Utopian ideals, and she just got elected to the Oklahoma House of Representatives.

Heavy sigh.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 5, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM

dude, cigarettes are seriously dangerous and kill a person. all this does is get rid of some un-wanted protoplasm or cells or somesuch

chasdal on April 5, 2013 at 3:22 PM

So our Nation is now infested with mini Dictators??

Well, when we have one in the White House, it eventually
rubs off….

Meh, the dictators in black robes and government bureaucracies have plagued our Nation long before Barry gave a thought to being one. Although the principle ideology followed by most if not all these min-dictators is the same one followed by Barry, in my opinion. In one way or another, their egos and positions make them all believe they are almighty gods.

hawkeye54 on April 5, 2013 at 3:22 PM

dude, cigarettes are seriously dangerous and kill a person. all this does is get rid of some un-wanted protoplasm or cells or somesuch

chasdal on April 5, 2013 at 3:22 PM

So what? And we don’t sell cigarettes to anyone under 18, do we?

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Every pill in the bottle is designed to kill a baby.
Thats a funny definition of safe.

If there’s a baby there, the morning after pill or regular birth control pills will not “kill” it.
You might want to go back to Biology 101.

Marcus on April 5, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Probably a safe bet IT is not a parent.

nobar on April 5, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Indeed.

Bitter Clinger on April 5, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Sweet, young guinea pigs.

Pork-Chop on April 5, 2013 at 3:24 PM

In the end, they will learn to hate their own government more than they hate the muslims. In the end, it’s going to be those horrible secular, gay-loving liberal infidels vs. The fundamentalists.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM

This is not a secret. Christians and Jews are on the “we hate them” list maintained in the Jihadi HQs. Always have been, always will be.

But thats not a kill list. You know who are on the kill list? People who don’t believe in any God.

Now you know why liberals give Muslims the reach-around at every opportunity….they know they’re the first to be exterminated in the world-wide Caliphate. If you believe in any God you can at least be a dhimmi.

BobMbx on April 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Perchance, are you related to ‘nonpartisan’?

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM

This conservative concern has nothing to do with parental rights and everything to do with abortion. They don’t want the RU 486 pill sold at all. And they certainly don’t want it sold over the counter. The “minor” aspect is a red herring. As far as they are concerned, no woman, of ANY age, should be allowed to have RU486.

But she should be able to have an AR-15. Pill bad. Gun good.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Yea, I am sure NAMBLA was really pulling for easier birth control access. . . . . . .

facepalm

thphilli on April 5, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Not everyone is as dark and corrupted as you. Some are blessed in their ignorance as to what NAMBLA really is. Sadly many little boys are not so fortunate…

HotAirian on April 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM

NAMBLA celebrates: Free pills! Free sex with minors!

Nutstuyu on April 5, 2013 at 2:42 PM

I’m not a doctor so maybe I just haven’t figured out all this biology stuff yet, but I’m pretty sure NAMBLA isn’t concerned about pregnancy.

tyketto on April 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM

We should probably send Plan B home in little baby girls care packets from the hospital to have on hand when they become sexually active at five..

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:01 PM

It’s worth it if it saves just one child from being punished with a baby…

happytobehere on April 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM

If there’s a baby there, the morning after pill or regular birth control pills will not “kill” it.
You might want to go back to Biology 101.

Marcus on April 5, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Yeah, but it acts like it kills a baby.

BobMbx on April 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM

This conservative concern has nothing to do with parental rights and everything to do with abortion. They don’t want the RU 486 pill sold at all. And they certainly don’t want it sold over the counter. The “minor” aspect is a red herring. As far as they are concerned, no woman, of ANY age, should be allowed to have RU486.

But she should be able to have an AR-15. Pill bad. Gun good.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Don’t tell me what my concern is mmmkay. I have a five year old daughter. I am legally, morally and medically responsible for her. So you can FOAD..

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:27 PM

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Jim Carrey, is that you?

You do realize that any drug that is potent enough to cause an abortion is potent enough to have very real side-effects to anyone who takes it? You also realize that any child of 11 who becomes pregnant has become so because of an act of rape because she is very far under the age of consent? So giving her Plan B, no questions asked, facilitates the cover-up of a felony.

Of course not, because you don’t care about kids in any way shape or form except to stand on their broken bodies and feel superior about how moral it is to want them all dead before birth. You don’t give a rip about them after birth unless one of them should be punished with a baby.

You also don’t care to lift a finger to help children in danger of gun violence unless they are dead white suburban kids. And even then you don’t actually want them to be safer, you just want to pass meaningless laws to show how much you “care” and meanwhile the places who have enacted those kinds of meaningless laws become death zones to children in our inner cities.

If you wanted children to be safe, you would do something that actually helps them. But just want to feel morally superior.

Lily on April 5, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Conservatives aren’t too concerned that madmen walk into public schools and start killing the kids. Sure, they don’t like it, but only because it gins up talk of gun control. What does concern them, however, is if an embryo is killed by a pill. Now, that is an outrage that must be stopped! By government intervention if necessary.
keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Really libtard that is where you are going to go? Am I the only one that sees the hypocricy in the statement of this libtard d-bag? Tell us there genius what is the best hunting age for children? Only when they are in the womb? Right after they drop out of it? The last ones who have any standing to have any moral outrage when it comes to what happens to children is you cockroaches. You whine about conservatives and guns but have nothing to say about the likes of that scumbag in Philly who butchered the kids and the mothers. Eff you you pathetic hypocrite.

bbinfl on April 5, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Not everyone is as dark and corrupted as you. Some are blessed in their ignorance as to what NAMBLA really is. Sadly many little boys are not so fortunate…

I’m not dark nor corrupted. I’m informed about the threats in our society. Sadly, many are not.

tyketto on April 5, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Perchance, are you related to ‘nonpartisan’?

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Their siamese twins–connected at the brain.

melle1228 on April 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM

If conservatives had their way, assault weapons would be sold at 7/11 to anyone with a Blockbuster Video membership card, but all birth control would be banned by federal government. Then they would dance with joy in their strange, survivalist, yokel utopia while waiting for Jesus to return to kill their enemies.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM

And in this horrific hypothetical world you invented and shudder at, mass shootings would be a thing of the past. The odds would be too good of someone shooting back.

Liberals like to pretend that gun control will lead to less crime, but it always leads to more. That’s because the potential victims are the ones that obey the gun laws, while the potential outlaws just ignore them.

All gun control amounts to is keeping guns out of the hands of potential victims, while the outlaws carry on as usual.

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 5, 2013 at 3:29 PM

No joke. Christians will soon realize they have more in common with islamists than they do with ordinary Americans. In the end, they will learn to hate their own government more than they hate the muslims. In the end, it’s going to be those horrible secular, gay-loving liberal infidels vs. The fundamentalists.

keep the change on April 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM

As an atheist, I say: LOL!

As someone, who grew up in Londonistan, I say: LMFAO!

From a Prog: Gay—or Left?

Resist We Much on April 5, 2013 at 3:29 PM

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