Video: Dem rep sponsoring gun-control bill seems to think that … magazines can’t be reloaded

posted at 4:01 pm on April 3, 2013 by Allahpundit

Lest you think the bit in the video is taken out of context, the Denver Post — which sponsored the forum — has its own item up marveling at the ignorance here. DeGette’s logic: If you stop new high-capacity magazines from being manufactured, eventually all of the bullets in America’s remaining inventory of HCMs will be fired and then poof — that’s the end of high-capacity magazines. If only Bloomberg had thought of that vis-a-vis his soda ban. Want to stop people from drinking more than 16 ounces of soda? Simple. Just ban the manufacture of new 16-ounce cups and let nature degrade the remaining supply. Then no one will drink more than 16 ounces ever again.

Follow the link to the Post’s item for her spokesman’s spin, then watch the vid. Supposedly she means “clips” instead of “magazines,” but either way she seems to think the supply of bullets is limited by the existing supply of feeding mechanisms. Imagine her surprise when she finds out about 3-D printing.

While we’re on the subject, do note that Jim Carrey doesn’t want to take all of your guns away, even though you’re “heartless motherf***ers.” He only wants to take some of them away, arbitrarily. Exit quotation: “For those who say I’m a hypocrite because I have an armed bodyguard, lets make one thing clear: No one in my employ is allowed to carry a large magazine…”


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DeGette is another dimwit Dem from the Peoples Republik of Denver.
She took over the House seat formerly held by Pat Schroeder.
What does that tell ya?

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 5:13 PM

If anyone is interested, This months issue of Imprimus has an excellent article entitled “The Second Amendment as an Expression of First Principles. You can read it online at your leisure here.
http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis.asp

fourdeucer on April 3, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Good grief I thought this dimwit was a state rep, which would be bad enough. I’m flabbergasted that she’s the US rep who would be in charge of a bill that affects me here in Texas.

juliesa on April 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM

How does Carrey define “large magazine” many of the clips that come standard on pistols could be defined as large or high-capacity mags.

hawksruleva on April 3, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Diana DeGette is to firearm operation what Todd Akin was to uterine function.

However, in DeGette’s case, gobsmacking ignorance about the subjects on which she legislates will not lead to her being booed off the national stage.

DRPrice on April 3, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Why are we having a “forum” or “debate” on a sovereign Amendment of our Bill of Rights?

rrpjr on April 3, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Poor thing has no clue what she’s talking about. Thank goodness she’s in Congress, where well-paid government functionaries can prepare her meals, keep her schedule, and drive her around town.

I don’t think she is smart enough to dress herself.

Jaibones on April 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM

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davidk on April 3, 2013 at 5:26 PM

“No one in my employ is allowed to carry a large magazine…” so if you try to attack me you will get killed but not killed really bad. Why not just make your body guard carry a musket ? One shot is enough to kill someone. Carey is a very funny guy – a great comedian – he lives in a make believe world even when he’s out of character….

alQemist on April 3, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Poor thing has no clue what she’s talking about. Thank goodness she’s in Congress, where well-paid government functionaries can prepare her meals, keep her schedule, and drive her around town.

I don’t think she is smart enough to dress herself.

Jaibones on April 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Another sad piece to this story is her dad was military – and yet she has no clue – none.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Once a year or so we hear a Todd Akin say something stupid. But this happens every day with Democrats. Watch her sit back and be proud of herself for putting the issue to rest once and for all. How could we all be so stupid as to not see what’s obvious to her.

This is the state of the left today. What they believe is fact. Don’t bother them with your opinions, such as a Ruger Mini-14 in .223 is just as deadly as an AR-15 chambered in .223. Many more murders are committed with handguns than long guns. Their may be very little gun crime in Great Britain, but their violent crime rate is 4-1/2 times higher than here. (Which is why Piers says that there’s almost no gun murders there. There are plenty of other murders and assaults.)

InterestedObserver on April 3, 2013 at 5:28 PM

It seems like I have to ask this on a weekly basis, but here goes yet again. What the F is going with Colorado?! They’re on the verge of surpassing California in terms of the sheer stupidity of their elected representatives.

Doughboy on April 3, 2013 at 4:08 PM

That, I am afraid is not possible. Not a day passes by without the brainiacs in that bastion of critical thinking known as Sacramento stretching my incredulity to new heights…

jimver on April 3, 2013 at 4:16 PM

My least favorite stupid law in California, because it costs me time and money:

To get your Architecture license renewed in California every two years, the state passed a law that requires you to take a five hour seminar on handicap accessibility. Most Architects spend at least five hours a week dealing with accessiblity. How is a five hour seminar,every two years going to make a difference?

A stupid law affecting other professionals, passed by lawyers.

In Colorado, elected representatives should be required to take a seminar on stupidity, because, oviously, they aren’t being stupid enough.

MichaelGabriel on April 3, 2013 at 5:29 PM

CA has moved to CO and ruined it. Every red state should forbid CA immigrants from entering lest their state be ruined also. These progs are a plague.

johnny reb on April 3, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Screw you buddy, my family has been in cali since 1840′s. Our population has doubled every 20 years since 1880. It was not the natural pioneer attitude of original Californians that are progressives but the butt load of people who came out here in the last 60 years turning us into a progressive hell hole. In fact mostly from northeast states. Also the blacks came out during WWII and they got on the democrat plantation. Not to mention all of the immigrants from socialist based societies. So our state is ruined by immigrants, your solution would have us legitimate conservative Californians staying in the hell hole created by people immigrating into California. F’ing dips!t. Oh its okay for people to move to California to screw it up but god forbid a decent Californian move out of there. I just moved to Montana cause the culture here represents my values, I will not vote to change this society, but vote to preserve it. At least I’m american, at least I speak English, at least I have a college degree, at least I have wealth of my own and won’t live off the state. I mean if you look at what Californians have been putting up with as regards to the types of immigrants coming in and then see what these other states b!tch about, its a joke.
Oh yeah, the first modern progressive state was Wisconsin, it spread from their colleges to the rest of the US.

19thgenamerican on April 3, 2013 at 5:32 PM

In Colorado, elected representatives should be required to take a seminar on stupidity, because, oviously, they aren’t being stupid enough.

MichaelGabriel on April 3, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Hey – I object to that statement – our Dem politicians in Colorado are being more than stupid enough. If you want stupid, doggone it we’ve got the best there is. Nobody out-stupids our Dems anymore, except for maybe Kalifornia.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM

2A affirms my right to keep and bear arms.

Any person ALSO has the privilege NOT to exercise that Constitutional right.

That PRIVILEGE doesn’t abridge my right.

Further discussion is unnecessary.

irongrampa on April 3, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Colorado must employ the hiring methodology of “hire the handicapped because they are fun to watch”

J_Crater on April 3, 2013 at 5:37 PM

CA has moved to CO and ruined it. Every red state should forbid CA immigrants from entering lest their state be ruined also. These progs are a plague.

johnny reb on April 3, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Born and raised in Laramie.

I propose a fence at the Colorado/Wyoming border to keep out the….Texans.

Just keeding, just keeding.

MichaelGabriel on April 3, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Better version available here.

vitocorleone99 on April 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I made the mistake of watching the whole debate…

Diana DeGette is so full of stupid it hurts every time she opens her mouth. Dear God Colorado, are you that far overrun by Californians?

Deep Thought on April 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Diana DeGette is so full of stupid it hurts every time she opens her mouth. Dear God Colorado, are you that far overrun by Californians?

Deep Thought on April 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Yes – the Denver-Boulder area is.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 5:48 PM

“We learned, the way that no other parents should learn, that the most dangerous, dangerous part of an assault weapon is the magazine,” Nicole Hockley, whose son Dylan, 6, was killed Dec. 14, said at a press conference with other parents at the Capitol Monday morning.
“The horrible, brutal truth is that 154 bullets were fired in four minutes, killing our children, our daughters, our wives. The shooter carried 10, 30-round large-capacity magazines,” Hockley said. “We have learned that in the time it took him to reload in one of the classrooms, 11 children were able to escape. We ask ourselves every day — every minute — if those magazines had held 10 rounds, forcing the shooter to reload at least six more times, would our children be alive today?”

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

No one in my employ is allowed to carry a large magazine

…”

So they can carry Prevention Magazine and not Playboy.

chemman on April 3, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Who needs Prevention more than Playboys?

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 3, 2013 at 5:50 PM

No one in my employ is allowed to carry a large magazine…

Somebody should ask Carey how he knows this to be true.

Jim Carey: “Let me see your magazine please as part of my routine procedure. OK now, let’s check them one at a time. One bullet…two bullets…three bullets… OK, you have less than six bullets, you can protect me.

Kingfisher on April 3, 2013 at 5:52 PM

What’s that smell?

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Don’t feed that.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Not only can you reload a magazine but you can own more than one…or two…or three….

what a worthless exercise this whole magazine argument is….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lii1mrsT6D4

but hey libbies if you feel better. That’s what this is all about./

CW on April 3, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Orwell nailed it, again:

Ignorance is Strength.

Therein lies the strength of the Democrats – the ignorant voting for the ignorant in perpetuity.

America is lost.

[NOTE: For my purposes, ignorant = ignorant/illiterate, inasmuch as the illiterate usually end up being ignorant, too]

OhEssYouCowboys on April 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM

What’s that smell?

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM

I think it’s this

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

What if one teacher had been armed?

What if the cops had shown up sooner?

What if Adam Lanza would have been sane?

Quit looking for answers that aren’t there and focus on the reality that we have a second amendment.

antipc on April 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Not only can you reload a magazine but you can own more than one…or two…or three….

what a worthless exercise this whole magazine argument is….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lii1mrsT6D4

but hey libbies if you feel better. That’s what this is all about./

CW on April 3, 2013 at 5:59 PM

The Sandy Hook shooter could have had a few dozen three-round magazines — heck, he could have had NO magazines — and still killed as many people, since it took the police TWENTY MINUTES to respond to a call of shots fired at the school. And since his clear intent was to break the hell out of the law anyway, I don’t think he would have given much thought to using outlawed magazines.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

What if the cops had shown up sooner?

antipc on April 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

What those parents learned is that their police department sucks. Out loud.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Diana DeGette is so full of stupid it hurts every time she opens her mouth. Dear God Colorado, are you that far overrun by Californians?

Deep Thought on April 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I dealt with one like this directly about 13 years ago. I was on the town council in a small town just north of Colorado Springs. One night this lady who lived a block away from me caught me after the council meeting and started complaining about the town maintenance yard that was right across the dirt road from her house. She wanted us to move the the maintenance yard because she didn’t like the noise and dust.
I asked her how long she had been living there.
“2 years”
Where’d you come from?
“California”
When you were looking to buy your house, did you ever turn around to look at what was across the street?
“uhhh well, ya”.
Cuz look lady, you’ve only been in that house 2 years, the house is only 10 years old, and the town maintenance yard (with 2 municipal wells) has been there for 60 years. We’re NOT moving the yard just for you.
“Well how about stopping people from building houses over in the foothills cuz they’re ruining my view of the mountains”
Oh – you mean all those OTHER people moving here from California?
Ya know – if we had closed the doors to Colorado when we should have, YOU wouldn’t be here either!!

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:07 PM

“We learned, the way that no other parents should learn, that the most dangerous, dangerous part of an assault weapon is the magazine,” Nicole Hockley, whose son Dylan, 6, was killed Dec. 14, said at a press conference with other parents at the Capitol Monday morning.
“The horrible, brutal truth is that 154 bullets were fired in four minutes, killing our children, our daughters, our wives. The shooter carried 10, 30-round large-capacity magazines,” Hockley said. “We have learned that in the time it took him to reload in one of the classrooms, 11 children were able to escape. We ask ourselves every day — every minute — if those magazines had held 10 rounds, forcing the shooter to reload at least six more times, would our children be alive today?”

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Better yet:
If the principal of that school had a gun for self-defense, it’s quite likely NOBODY would have died that day except the attacker.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

What if one teacher had been armed?

antipc on April 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Like at Columbine?

I’m with Scalia on the 2nd Amendment.
Some good reasonable restrictions coming into play.
But frustratingly for many of you , not included is anything that will preclude the misuse of the terms ‘clip’ and ‘magazine’.
Golly…I mean, how annoying.
Next thing someone will be calling a shotgun a rifle.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

I think Dan Aykroyd sums it up rather nicely.

Simply replace “Jane” with “Diana” – and voila!

Hill60 on April 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

New Life Church in Colorado Springs does NOT count as a mass shooting, because after shooting 4 people in the parking lot (2 dead), the attacker entered the church where an armed female volunteer usher/security guard with a CCW shot him. Once he was down, he killed himself. He never got beyond the lobby, so the 500 or more potential victims inside were never shot.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Better yet:
If the principal of that school had a gun for self-defense, it’s quite likely NOBODY would have died that day except the attacker.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Right.
We need to make sure school principals are not only armed – but armed and trained sufficiently to respond to what Lanza showed up with.,
I suppose we should go with full Kevlar here…laser sight?
And hey, the White House gets roof snipers…why not every school in America?

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:17 PM

What is it about the idea of law abiding citizens being armed as well as, if not better than, the bad guys that has liberals so nervous?

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Like at Columbine?
verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

The assigned “Resource Officer” was outside on the far edge of the campus on his lunch break when the shooters started their attack and went in. He managed to get off a couple shots at one of them when he stepped back out the cafeteria door to check on their bombs. The Resource Officer did not go back into the school to go after them from that point on, and the police did not go in once they finally got there – despite constant gunshots throughout the school.

BTW – this was right in the middle of the first assault weapons ban. And most of the victims were killed by shotgun.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Right.
We need to make sure school principals are not only armed – but armed and trained sufficiently to respond to what Lanza showed up with.,
I suppose we should go with full Kevlar here…laser sight?
And hey, the White House gets roof snipers…why not every school in America?

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:17 PM

You’re obviously as clueless as DeGette.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

New Life Church in Colorado Springs does NOT count as a mass shooting, because after shooting 4 people in the parking lot (2 dead), the attacker entered the church where an armed female volunteer usher/security guard with a CCW shot him. Once he was down, he killed himself. He never got beyond the lobby, so the 500 or more potential victims inside were never shot.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Sure.. That happened…then.
Glad that’s how that particular one turned out.
Have you ever heard that armed female volunteer’s thoughts on arming teachers etc.?

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:21 PM

You’re only going to confuse him.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

What is it about the idea of law abiding citizens being armed as well as, if not better than, the bad guys that has liberals so nervous?

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:20 PM

bad guys = government

davidk on April 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

The 11 kids escaped from ANOTHER CLASSROOM, verbo. It wouldn’t have mattered if he had a working 100 round mag…they still would have gotten out while he was busy in the other room.

IOW: (just to make it clear for you) the kids did NOT run past him and escape as he was reloading.

You leftoid drones cannot tell the truth about anything, can you?

Solaratov on April 3, 2013 at 6:24 PM

You’re obviously as clueless as DeGette.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Your remedy – arming school principals – is (sorry) absurd.
But maybe you just haven’t really thought it through much yet.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Sure.. That happened…then.
Glad that’s how that particular one turned out.
Have you ever heard that armed female volunteer’s thoughts on arming teachers etc.?

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Yes, and many others.
Events like that happen all over the country on a near daily basis.
Crimes are stopped almost every day by good people with guns – many without ever having to actually shoot.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

bad guys = government

davidk on April 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Well, that and all these mass shooting perps are/were democrats. Maybe they’re afraid we’ll end up culling their voter base.

Or they just don’t like the idea of not being able to walk all over us with impunity.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Rant away if you must. The simple fact is that we have unalienable rights, one of which is a 2nd amendment that shall not be infringed. All I’ve heard so far from leftist like this ditz from Colorado is nonsense on a topic they clearly know nothing about. The solutions you’re looking for are the solutions you refuse to listen to.

antipc on April 3, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Right.
We need to make sure school principals are not only armed – but armed and trained sufficiently to respond to what Lanza showed up with.,
I suppose we should go with full Kevlar here…laser sight?
And hey, the White House gets roof snipers…why not every school in America?

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Nah, it’s better to make schools “gun-free zones.”

Then no one will ever get hurt.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 3, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Your remedy – arming school principals – is (sorry) absurd.
But maybe you just haven’t really thought it through much yet.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

I’ve thought it through a lot.
Do you even think?
You’re remedy of trying to totally disarm society is pure idiocy. And your thoughts that disarming law-abiding citizens will somehow automatically disarm the criminals who don’t obey the laws, is pure insanity.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:28 PM

What if one teacher had been armed?

antipc on April 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Like at Columbine?

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Say what?

Solaratov on April 3, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Events like that happen all over the country on a near daily basis.
Crimes are stopped almost every day by good people with guns – many without ever having to actually shoot.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Yes, but don’t you know that the use of firearms requires some sort of Jedi-like skill that the average citizen could never hope to obtain. It’s absurd to think a school principal (who was apparently smart enough to get a masters degree) could learn to safely and effectively handle a gun. Next you’ll expect them to learn to drive.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

What if one teacher had been armed?

What if the cops had shown up sooner?

What if Adam Lanza would have been sane?

Quit looking for answers that aren’t there and focus on the reality that we have a second amendment.

antipc on April 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Let’s get real un-PC and ask -what if a few of the teachers had been men?

slickwillie2001 on April 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

A large magazine… ahhh, back in the day that used to be Computer Shopper… delivered monthly and must have weighed a pound! It was a magazine of computer ads back before the internet, and it had a few token articles, too.

Now *that* was a large magazine.

ajacksonian on April 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Yes, but don’t you know that the use of firearms requires some sort of Jedi-like skill that the average citizen could never hope to obtain. It’s absurd to think a school principal (who was apparently smart enough to get a masters degree) could learn to safely and effectively handle a gun. Next you’ll expect them to learn to drive.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Like reloading a magazine-clip?
If anyone could do that it would be pure magic.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Sure.. That happened…then.
Glad that’s how that particular one turned out.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

No, you’re not. You and yours love having dead bodies to dance on; and being able to use caskets – the smaller the better – as podiums to try to shred the Constitution.

You’re an idiot…and all leftists are ghouls.

Solaratov on April 3, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Nah, it’s better to make schools “gun-free zones.”
Then no one will ever get hurt.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 3, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Well of course.
If only Columbine, Shady hook, Aurora theater, VA Tech, and the others had been “gun free zones” everyone would have been safe….
Oh wait – they actually were weren’t they?
I don’t understand. WHY would a criminal intent on killing lots of people go to a “gun free zone”?

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:34 PM

I don’t understand. WHY would a criminal intent on killing lots of people go to a “gun free zone”?

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Obviously, they had a deprived childhood and were victims of society.

Solaratov on April 3, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Yes, but don’t you know that the use of firearms requires some sort of Jedi-like skill that the average citizen could never hope to obtain. It’s absurd to think a school principal (who was apparently smart enough to get a masters degree) could learn to safely and effectively handle a gun. Next you’ll expect them to learn to drive.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Well, you’re talking Master’s in Education, so I don’t know.

slickwillie2001 on April 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Your remedy – arming school principals – is (sorry) absurd.
But maybe you just haven’t really thought it through much yet.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

And you clearly haven’t thought period. You’re solutions only offer innocent women and children as sacrificial lambs until the cops show up. So how many statistics would have been saved if someone, anyone would have had a gun?

antipc on April 3, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Yes, but don’t you know that the use of firearms requires some sort of Jedi-like skill that the average citizen could never hope to obtain. It’s absurd to think a school principal (who was apparently smart enough to get a masters degree) could learn to safely and effectively handle a gun. Next you’ll expect them to learn to drive.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM
No way!!
Well, but my wife is is a librarian with a masters degree, and had never shot a handgun in her life until she took a CCW basic handgun course last week. SHE wanted to go to the shooting range on Easter Sunday for her birthday. With her new Ruger SR22, she easily put shot after shot on target from 30 feet away – and then did the same with my M&P9, and then with her AR-15.
Her Dad, who was a military expert marksman and competition shooter says “it’s in her blooood”.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:42 PM

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:42 PM

woo-hoo! you go, girl.

davidk on April 3, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I don’t understand. WHY would a criminal intent on killing lots of people go to a “gun free zone”?

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:34 PM

It’s a shame people murder other people. There really ought to be a law against that.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 3, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Well, you’re talking Master’s in Education, so I don’t know.

slickwillie2001 on April 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM

That’s true. My wife’s masters is in Library Science – also a VERY liberal field. But she got through it and still managed to keep her sanity and conservatism – and ability to shoot guns.

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 6:57 PM

If someone does not have a speed loader how fast can one load a 30 magazines by hand. In Newtown he had to have practice in his room with a stopwatch for the years he was planning it and get it down to 30 seconds when one has a box of bullets and an empty mag.

tjexcite on April 3, 2013 at 6:57 PM

With all due respect to the various gun control aficionados out there, they’re sadly completely clueless as to just how easy it is to create guns.

Forget 3D printing, during WW2 small groups were making guns in their basements, using relatively primitive tools like lathes, for the purpose of resistance. Supposedly, these were pretty decent guns too.

guns aren’t complex, gun magazines aren’t complex, gun ammo isn’t complex. We simply don’t need massive factories to build these things. Anyone with a machine shop can build a decent fire arm, so the idea that you can regulate them out of existence is simply absurd.

All any of this would accomplish, is to make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to defend themselves. This does little to prevent somebody determined to commit a crime, from arming themselves.

WolvenOne on April 3, 2013 at 7:03 PM

With all due respect to the various gun control aficionados out there, they’re sadly completely clueless as to just how easy it is to create guns.

Clueless or not, they don’t care how easy it is to create guns. They just want now legal weapons out of the hands of responsible citizens who are seen as a potential stumbling block to their plans, and continually creating legislation to make acquisition and ownership of fire arms and ammo as excruciatingly difficult and expensive as possible works toward that goal. If they can make us all potential criminals they can arrest, try and convict some as examples to frighten the rest to obey our overlords.

hawkeye54 on April 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM

“We have learned that in the time it took him to reload in one of the classrooms, 11 children were able to escape. We ask ourselves every day — every minute — if those magazines had held 10 rounds, forcing the shooter to reload at least six more times, would our children be alive today?”

No. If college students at VA Tech couldn’t stop Seung-Hui Cho, the country’s ‘biggest and brightest’ mass shooter from killing them WHEN HE RELOADED HIS HANDGUNS – REPEATEDLY – then there is no reason WHATSOEVER to believe that a bunch of 6 year-olds could have stopped Adam Lanza.

BTW, and I truly don’t mean to be insensitive here, but the wouldas-couldas-shouldas will drive you batty. It is just as simple…AND DESTRUCTIVE…to say: ‘If I had only kept my child home from school that day, s/he would be alive today just like the sole remaining member of Ms Soto’s class, who was at a doctor’s appointment that day.’

NONE OF THESE LAWS WILL PREVENT ANOTHER NEWTOWN ANY MORE THAN THE AWB OF 1994 PREVENTED COLUMBINE, JONESBORO, AND PADUCAH.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM

During the seventies Terrorists in Isreal were targeting schools because they were soft targets. Isrealis started getting trained armed volunteers in their schools as a deterrent. Terrorists then started on buses and pizza parlours because schools were no longer “Gun Free Zones”.

Kerbouchard on April 3, 2013 at 7:17 PM

About fell out of my chair when I saw the writing about magazines for revolvers.

mixplix on April 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Next thing someone will be calling a shotgun a rifle.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Do I shoot the shotgun in the air or through the door?

Hockley said. “We have learned that in the time it took him to reload in one of the classrooms, 11 children were able to escape. We ask ourselves every day — every minute — if those magazines had held 10 rounds, forcing the shooter to reload at least six more times, would our children be alive today?”

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

You tell me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lii1mrsT6D4

Likely the children would still not be with us.

CW on April 3, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Just wow. Oh my goodness.

I haven’t read through the comments but I am sure someone has quoted the line from Billy Madison about we are all dumber for hearing that, may God have mercy on your soul.

tommer74 on April 3, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Just wow. Oh my goodness.

I haven’t read through the comments but I am sure someone has quoted the line from Billy Madison about we are all dumber for hearing that, may God have mercy on your soul.

tommer74 on April 3, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Actually, no. Have at it!

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 7:31 PM

We ask ourselves every day — every minute — if those magazines had held 10 rounds, forcing the shooter to reload at least six more times, would our children be alive today?

I ask myself every day if there had been an armed teacher or administrator present, shooting the loony b*tard as soon as he shot out the window or entered the school, would your children be alive today?

GWB on April 3, 2013 at 7:31 PM

WolvenOne on April 3, 2013 at 7:03 PM

I present as citizen’s evidence: Carbine Williams

GWB on April 3, 2013 at 7:34 PM

We literally have to take these morons by the hand, look under the bed with them, show them there are no monsters, and turn on a night light for them when it comes to guns. They are so terrified by guns they refuse to even read about them, apparently. As if the magic metal might jump right off the pages and fire a pamphlet full of magazines right out of the trigger!

stout77 on April 3, 2013 at 7:34 PM

I’m with Scalia on the 2nd Amendment. Some good reasonable restrictions coming into play.

But frustratingly for many of you , not included is anything that will preclude the misuse of the terms ‘clip’ and ‘magazine’.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Methinks you should reread Heller. The Court said that “DANGEROUS AND UNUSUAL WEAPONS WHICH ARE NOT IN THE COMMON USAGE” can be regulated or banned by the government. It said that there was an individual right to bear arms; the Second Amendment “extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,” (p 8); the handgun bans “amounted to a prohibition of an ENTIRE CLASS OF ‘ARMS’ that is overwhelmingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.”

Dangerous:

Is the AR-15 dangerous?

The AR-15 is the #1 rifle sold in the United States. It is no more dangerous than handguns. In fact, it kills FAR less. In 2011, 72.5% of all gun-related homicides were committed using handguns. In 2011, 3.8% (323) of ALL gun-related homicides in 2011 committed with rifles of ALL KINDS, INCLUDING “ASSAULT RIFLES” LIKE AR-15s.

Are large-capacity magazines any more ‘dangerous’?

Not any more than guns that can be reloaded in seconds.

Unusual:

Are AR-15s “unusual”?

There is NOTHING unusual about AR-15-style rifles…unless one is afraid of black, skeery, plastic thingies.

Don’t believe me? Then, look at the pictures of these two guns and ask yourself, “Is one really much more ‘dangerous, unusual and uncommon’ than the other?”

Uncommon:

Are AR-15s uncommon? Really? Since when?

In 2009, it was estimated that there were 3,261,725 of AR-15s – alone, not just AR-15-style – in the United States…and the homicide rate was 5.0.

In contrast, in 1994 when the original Assault Weapons Ban went into effect, there were approximately 1.5 million AR-15s in the United States and the homicide rate was 9.0.

Are large-capacity magazines “UNCOMMON”?

I don’t care who you are, but that’s a downright funny question!

You CANNOT do through taxation, regulation and rule-making that which you are prohibited from doing via legislation. The government cannot put a tax on voting, or require newspapers to carry insurance so that members of the public can sue for defamation or misinformation. If you are prohibited from banning through legislation, you cannot attempt to enter in through the backdoor by burdening those rights, especially when such results in a de facto ban or onerous burdens.

One of the DC gun restrictions “permitted” shotguns to be in the home.. PROVIDED THEY WERE DISASSEMBLED WITHIN THE HOME. In Heller, the Court found that such unreasonably burdened the 2nd amendment rights of residents and that the intent was to, essentially, ban shotguns by making them inoperable. The same will happen with ammo.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 7:43 PM

One would think that if someone had spent many years working on gun control that they would know something about guns, obviously she doesn’t.

I just asked my 6 yr old son if he knew what a magazine was and if it could be reloaded. He was correct in both his answers. But he didn’t know what a clip was. I will cut him some slack since he is not writing legislation.

tommer74 on April 3, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I’m with Scalia on the 2nd Amendment.
Some good reasonable restrictions coming into play.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

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The term “reasonable” as refers to the power/capability of weapons, or other physical “tools” doesn’t wash.
It’s totally in the eye of the individual beholder.
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Re-posting (I just know you’ll remember this):

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 1:37 PM
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And you say you want what works –
if indeed it was proven to you that these restrictions would work…in that they would in fact reduce some of these incidents and deaths…would you support it then?

(Also…I can hear you fine. No need for all the caps and bolding…unless you do mean to be shouting at me.)

verbaluce on January 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM

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Nope, I wouldn’t “support it then.” … Period.

American citizens are to maintain ownership/possession of civilian semi-auto models of military rifles and light weapons, complete with high-capacity magazines.
The purpose being to fulfill the original intent of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

What happened in Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown, CT does not constitute a valid grounds-basis for re-interpreting, re-amending, or abolishing the (Second Amendment to the) U.S. Constitution.

listens2glenn on January 30, 2013 at 2:54 PM

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Well let me know if that starts happening.
(Although it seems ‘re-interpreting’ is more what’s happened on your side of the argument.)

verbaluce on January 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM

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The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution IS about the common citizen having the physical capability (arms) to withstand a tyrant government.

I’m saying your side is the one guilty of re-interpretation.

listens2glenn on January 30, 2013 at 3:26 PM

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And I’m saying yours is.
Can we agree that interpretation is required as far as where the framers would be on this issue as it exists today?

verbaluce on January 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM

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And I’m repeating; your side is.

What would “agreeing that interpretation is required as far as where the framers would be on this issue as it exists today“, change?
Myself and others have already stated that advancements in weapons technology wouldn’t change the Founders mind, even if they experienced it first-hand.
If the Founders could “rise from the dead” and see our current accepted societal standards of normalcy, they’d be horrified.
But not at semi-auto rifles with high capacity magazines in the hands of the general public. They’d first and foremost want to know why we (the country at large) allowed “institutionalized atheism.”
They would ask Christian believers directly; “How could you have allowed this to happen?”
That’s where their focus would be, if they could view our current National state of condition, and address us concerning it.

listens2glenn on January 30, 2013 at 8:06 PM

listens2glenn on April 3, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Wow.

Midas on April 3, 2013 at 7:48 PM

But frustratingly for many of you , not included is anything that will preclude the misuse of the terms ‘clip’ and ‘magazine’.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Te be sure, we are frustrated with your side’s gob-smacking oft-displayed (and without shame) level of stupid – can’t be fixed, it seems.

Midas on April 3, 2013 at 7:50 PM

The embedding was disabled. I guess they want to keep viewers to a minimum.

Wigglesworth on April 3, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Your remedy – arming school principals – is (sorry) absurd.
But maybe you just haven’t really thought it through much yet.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

You really should fire off a strongly-worded missive to the Israelis about that.
Evidently, they’re doing it all wrong.

Solaratov on April 3, 2013 at 7:51 PM

The embedding was disabled. I guess they want to keep viewers to a minimum.

Wigglesworth on April 3, 2013 at 7:50 PM

If you click inside where it said it was disabled, it will take you to you tube.

tommer74 on April 3, 2013 at 7:53 PM

“We learned, the way that no other parents should learn, that the most dangerous, dangerous part of an assault weapon is the magazine,” Nicole Hockley, whose son Dylan, 6, was killed Dec. 14, said at a press conference with other parents at the Capitol Monday morning.
“The horrible, brutal truth is that 154 bullets were fired in four minutes, killing our children, our daughters, our wives. The shooter carried 10, 30-round large-capacity magazines,” Hockley said. “We have learned that in the time it took him to reload in one of the classrooms, 11 children were able to escape. We ask ourselves every day — every minute — if those magazines had held 10 rounds, forcing the shooter to reload at least six more times, would our children be alive today?”

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Since what she’s saying is factually wrong, can we really say she learned anything?

Of course, this is exactly why leftists want to get someone like this who’s been through a tragedy to parrot the PC line. It’s meant to shut down discussion because no one would want to tell the poor woman that she’s being lied to after her loss.

Which is pretty ghoulish, if you think about it. But the whole point is to make the other side look hard-hearted, just to win a rhetorical point, even if you’re the ones taking advantage of someone else’s tragedy.

To the point: if one of the people there had been armed, then not just 11 children would have escaped, but probably nearly all of them.

Gun-free zones cost lives.

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 3, 2013 at 7:54 PM

I’m with Scalia on the 2nd Amendment.
Some good reasonable restrictions coming into play.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

What would have more likely prevented Hadiya Pendleton from being murdered in January 2013?

A. One of her killers had either been sentenced to jail or prison after he pleaded guilty to aggravated unlawful use of a firearm – A CLASS IV FELONY – in January of 2012 instead of 2 years probation and/or had his probation been revoked after the FIRST probation offence…or SECOND probation offence…or the THIRD probation offence…THREE VIOLATIONS IN THE FIRST YEAR OF HIS PROBATION…and remanded to jail…

OR

B. More guns laws for the State of Illinois and/or Federal government to NOT enforce, which would NOT prevent criminals from behaving criminally anyway, while making some people ‘feel good’ and say ‘Even if it doesn’t prevent the types of crimes we want to prevent, we still did SOMETHING!!!’?

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Dem rep sponsoring gun-control bill seems to think that … magazines can’t be reloaded

Those are the disposable ones that come from the drugstore.

roy_batty on April 3, 2013 at 8:00 PM

To the point: if one of the people there had been armed, then not just 11 children would have escaped, but probably nearly all of them.

Gun-free zones cost lives.

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 3, 2013 at 7:54 PM

I’m willing to say with certainty that, if he’d encountered someone armed as soon as he started shooting his way in, all the children would have survived.

Most likely, the mere sight of someone who’s supposed to be a sitting duck pointing their LEGAL firearm in his face would have had him either cutting and running or punching his own ticket.

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Video: Dem rep sponsoring gun-control bill seems to think that … magazines can’t be reloaded

Well, there’s your problem right there … Dems don’t “think”, they feel.

M240H on April 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM

With all due respect to the various gun control aficionados out there, they’re sadly completely clueless as to just how easy it is to create guns.

Forget 3D printing, during WW2 small groups were making guns in their basements, using relatively primitive tools like lathes, for the purpose of resistance. Supposedly, these were pretty decent guns too.

guns aren’t complex, gun magazines aren’t complex, gun ammo isn’t complex. We simply don’t need massive factories to build these things. Anyone with a machine shop can build a decent fire arm, so the idea that you can regulate them out of existence is simply absurd.

All any of this would accomplish, is to make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to defend themselves. This does little to prevent somebody determined to commit a crime, from arming themselves.

WolvenOne on April 3, 2013 at 7:03 PM

For a Liberator type single shot, you do not need a machine shop or even a lathe. Everything can be fabricated with hand tools. The whole point of that weapon was to drop someone with a “real” firearm and take it.

roy_batty on April 3, 2013 at 8:11 PM

She took over the House seat formerly held by Pat Schroeder.
What does that tell ya?

dentarthurdent on April 3, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Did she cry when she won?

roy_batty on April 3, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I wonder how many folks know that the finest gunsmithing school in the United States -state-sponsored and Brownells affiliated- is located at Trinidad, Colorado. What do the idiots in the Colorado Statehouse, such as this useless meatsack, think about the future of the program?

M240H on April 3, 2013 at 8:16 PM

What do the idiots in the Colorado Statehouse, such as this useless meatsack, think about the future of the program?

M240H on April 3, 2013 at 8:16 PM

They are likely buoyed by its probable demise.

/guns are nasty

roy_batty on April 3, 2013 at 8:22 PM

CurtZHP on April 3, 2013 at 8:02 PM

This.

He was going to punch his own ticket at the sight of an opposing weapon. Which brings the added bonus of the person confronting him not having to live with fact that they took another, evil as it was.

antipc on April 3, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Poet Maya Angelou Blasts Gun at Home Intruder

TIME MAGAZINE: Your mother — she was your protector. She often carried a gun, she seemed to be very fond of guns. Did you inherit your mother’s fondness for guns?

MAYA ANGELOU: Well, I do like to have guns around, I don’t like to carry them. But I like — if somebody is going to come into my house and I have not put out the welcome mat, I want to stop them.

TIME: Have you ever fired a weapon?

ANGELOU: Of course!

TIME: At a person?

ANGELOU: I’ve fired it period, not at a person I hope!

I was in my house in North Carolina. It was fall. I heard someone walking on the leaves. And somebody actually turned the knob. So I said, “Stand four feet back because I’m going to shoot now!” Boom! Boom! The police came by and said, “Ms. Angelou, the shots came from inside the house.” I said, “Well, I don’t know how that happened.”

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Your remedy – arming school principals – is (sorry) absurd.
But maybe you just haven’t really thought it through much yet.

verbaluce on April 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

You realize that school children used to bring their guns to school every friggin day they came to school? They lined their rifles at the back of the class. Why is it that those kids in the the late 1800′s are more responsible than school principals are today in your mind?

Conservative4Ever on April 3, 2013 at 8:29 PM

For a Liberator type single shot, you do not need a machine shop or even a lathe. Everything can be fabricated with hand tools. The whole point of that weapon was to drop someone with a “real” firearm and take it.

roy_batty on April 3, 2013 at 8:11 PM

With some structural tubing and steel pipe you can make a 9mm SMG in a couple of days. Yes its smoothbore, and probably won’t last that long, but the idea of trying to ban guns is just nuts.

Even the USSR, notorious for its weapons bans, finally realized that out in Siberia you had to have at least a shotgun with you or you were wolf fodder. Then came the realization that cheap stuff put together with just a bit of effort yields a relatively effective firearm… they couldn’t stop people from making them and they couldn’t ban making pipe or their entire nation would collapse from lack of it.

With that said, its possible to put together a decent CNC lathe for under $5k. If you take time to learn just a bit of lathe and mill operations, its possible to make your own parts out of raw material. And if idiots want to ban mills and lathes, then the nation collapses as industry shuts down. If they want to stop you from owning one, there is always the Gingery route which means you get to learn aluminum casting, too! We aren’t in the 1940′s, we aren’t in the 1960′s, we are in the 21st century and things are changing faster now than they ever have for machining. If only John Browning was alive today! That cheap lathe you can get at HF is something that you couldn’t even imagine way back when. And it is that technology that is driving some States to get out of the BATF’s reach and all in-State sales of in-State made firearms as part of the Militia power reserved to the States.

The Left is stuck in the 20th century and not even the latter half of it. A bunch of know-nothing Luddites… save the Luddites had a real gripe. The world is about to change and they are standing athwart history and are yelling NOOOOOO!

ajacksonian on April 3, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Did she cry when she won?

roy_batty on April 3, 2013 at 8:12 PM

LMAO! I wonder how many are old enough to remember this?! I still bring this up to my adult children from time to time at the dinner table.

Conservative4Ever on April 3, 2013 at 8:41 PM

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