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posted at 10:01 pm on April 2, 2013 by Allahpundit

It’s not the inclusion of a pathway to citizenship that has immigration reform proponents worried — at this point, it’s clear that this will be part of any deal Senate negotiators produce.

It’s how difficult they choose to make it…

“The sleeper issue in immigration reform is, do all 11 million people qualify for legal status or is it a fraction?” said Deepak Bhargava, executive director of the Center for Community Change, a pro-reform group. “This issue is the potential deal-breaker in the whole mix. If the requirements are so onerous that only a fraction of eligible people can actually adjust their status and get legal, there will be a hugely negative reaction to the bill in the immigrant community.”…

“My instinct is they want to be inclusive in who is eligible,” said Angela Kelley, a leading immigration expert with the Center for American Progress. “They recognize you want to try to have a program that permits as many people as possible to come forward. … I think it will be an accessible road but a long road.”

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Finally, after the border is secure and our guest worker and visa programs are modernized, the legislation must address what to do with the people who are here illegally. I know some citizens want to round them all up, but this is not realistic. Instead, we can create an appropriate program to normalize their status…

The legislation should not provide a special pathway to citizenship for the millions who have willfully violated our immigration laws. Those who entered the U.S. as children, through no fault of their own, will be allowed to have a pathway to citizenship. But those who entered illegally as adults will only be allowed to participate in the new and improved guest worker and visa programs.

I am not advocating a two-tiered immigration system or second-class status — those who can become citizens and those who can never become citizens. Anyone who wants to become a naturalized citizen of the United States is welcome to apply. But Congress must not make it any easier for those who entered our country illegally to obtain citizenship. Those who qualify for the new guest worker and visa programs and desire citizenship would be placed at the end of the line behind others immigrating legally. It would be a travesty to treat those who violated our laws better than those who have patiently waited their turn to come to the United States the right way.

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Rubio is building in several insurance policies:

1) Behind the scenes, Rubio has been courting conservative leaders and talk-radio hosts, hoping they’ll give him leeway when he needs it. One of his arguments: There’s nothing conservative about having 11 million people in the country illegally. So far, he has been encouraged by what he has heard. In late January, when the Senate gang issued the framework that it is now filling in, Rubio did a tour of Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity and other conservative talkers, and got a surprisingly respectful — even favorable — response…

2) The proposal’s pathway to citizenship will be triggered by a rigorous set of metrics that, according to sources, will take years for the U.S. to meet. Workplace-enforcement mechanisms would discourage employers from hiring illegals. And Rubio has been pushing for a 10-year wait for people who are here illegally now to apply for a green card. Even with these guardrails, Rubio doesn’t know how conservatives will react when groups start running ads saying Republicans are creating 10 million new Democratic voters, all of whom broke the law.

3) Rubio advisers studied conservative objections to past immigration packages and found that a frequent complaint was that the measures had been too rushed. So Rubio has very publicly insisted on multiple hearings, and a wide-open debate and amendment process in the Judiciary Committee and on the Senate floor. “In order to succeed, this process cannot be rushed or done in secret,” he said in Sunday’s statement. He wants buy-in from other Republican senators, and a big number on final passage, not a close vote.

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It would seem that Rubio and the Democrats are playing chicken, each one calculating the other will flinch first. Democrats think the GOP is so desperate for an amnesty they’ll agree to anything. For his part, Rubio is trying to secure his status of godfather of an immigration “compromise” by threatening delay, knowing the Democrats (and Lindsey Graham) are desperate to ram the amnesty through before the public gets a good look at it and before the midterm elections get too close…

I think, in the end, that Rubio’s desire to shepherd an amnesty through Congress will cause him to cave to the Democrats’ demands. The Dems will give Rubio a few trivial concessions, so he can try to tell Limbaugh, Levin, et al. that he didn’t lie to them. But if I’m wrong, and he walks away saying he did his best but couldn’t overcome the Democrats’ for amnesty without enforcement, Rubio could strengthen his 2016 prospects.

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“The Senate is littered with Republicans who negotiated with Chuck Schumer, thinking they had one deal when he had something else entirely in mind,” said Rick Wilson, a Florida-based GOP consultant. “I think [Rubio is] very mindful of the two potential negative outcomes (something perceived as a blanket/easy amnesty or a deal perceived as not moving the ball in a meaningful way) but still views this as a right policy/right politics matter.”…

[I]f the perception is that Rubio either a) got rolled or b) rolled over when it comes to a path to citizenship for undocumented workers, which Democrats insist must be in any comprehensive plan, it could mean real trouble for him with the conservative base of the GOP.

In the end, Rubio has to be able to say to conservatives something along these lines: “I fought with Democrats. I told them what we needed to allow undocumented workers a path to citizenship. They didn’t want it but I held firm and we got it done.”

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Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) union president Chris Crane’s request to meet with the bipartisan group of eight senators developing a comprehensive immigration reform bill was denied.

“Since the Gang of 8 has not met with anybody else, they did not agree to meet with the ICE union president,” Juan Pachado, a spokesman for Sen. Bob Menendez,D-N.J., told The Washington Examiner in an email.

ICE union president Chris Crane requested the meeting last week. “Any comprehensive immigration bill would have enormous consequences for our officers and for the citizens we protect,” Crane, who has testified before congressional panels on the issue, wrote in the letter. “Fundamentally, I would implore you to consider this issue from the perspective of our officers who risk their lives every day in a constant uphill climb to uphold the laws of the land.”

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The bottom line: Most Americans would support an immigration reform plan, but only if border security comes first. And by “first” they mean before the legalization of currently illegal immigrants and before the creation of a path to citizenship. Would they be more flexible if they truly believed the federal government’s promise to secure the border? Perhaps — but they don’t believe.

And why should they? Previous pledges to secure the border have ended in half-hearted enforcement. Yes, there is more border security today than there was a decade ago. But there has always been, it seems, a resistance in the federal bureaucracy to relatively simple actions, like finishing a sufficiently secure border fence, that would contribute greatly to enhanced enforcement…

So it is in that atmosphere that the Gang of Eight prepares to unveil its comprehensive reform plan. The biggest obstacle won’t be a guest worker program or some other detail. It will be the public’s lack of trust.

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“It’s long overdue,” Graham said on Fox News. “If we don’t do it now, it will be a decade or more before anyone takes it up again.”


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SparkPlug on April 3, 2013 at 12:32 AM

MUST.NOT.SAY.ANYTHING… <—- tries very hard to keep straight face… O_O

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Paging Fire Chief Sparky! There’s a bush on fire in the glade!

SWalker cannot laugh.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Yep, just like they did in 1988, and 1992, and 1996……

xblade on April 3, 2013 at 12:44 AM

I’m sure a lot of them did and still do.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Well first, most of them are pretty hard working people. And if they know we supported them getting what they wanted, they’ll vote for Conservatives and republicans.

hawkdriver

And blacks are church going so they will be in the bag for conservatives and republicans too.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Well first, most of them are pretty hard working people. And if they know we supported them getting what they wanted, they’ll vote for Conservatives and republicans.

hawkdriver

What they want is half the United States.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 12:49 AM

David J. Stoddard, 27 year veteran of the Border Patrol -

“Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans want to remain citizens of their home country while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I, Mexico allowed German spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S.. During World War II, Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today, Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don’t believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their school children.”

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 12:51 AM

The two old white males the Ds will run in 2016.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 12:53 AM

The Castro brothers?

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 12:54 AM

The Castro brothers would get 85% of the Latino vote.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 12:55 AM

What they want is half the United States.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 12:49 AM

We waste our time trading comments with each other.

I’ll pass other than just to say we need to be on the right side of history here. 11-12 million potential voters and they’ll remember which party supported their path to get what they wanted.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Well first, most of them are pretty hard working people. And if they know we supported them getting what they wanted, they’ll vote for Conservatives and republicans.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 12:04 AM

I thought you were kidding around, but you’re serious. I don’t give a sh!t how hard working you think someone is. That doesn’t entitle them to force themselves on America, and then to have you beg to appease them for their vote … Sheesh.

No legalization. Never. They have to be deported and can NEVER return to America. That is the penalty for violating our sovereignty and REFUSING to leave. Let them go work hard somewhere else. They can go break into other countries.

And, BTW, conservatives and republicans have just about an empty intersection these days.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 3, 2013 at 12:56 AM

The two old, RICH white males the Ds will run in 2016.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 12:53 AM

The old, rich, white male on the right has bigger balls than the old, rich, white male on the left.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Well first, most of them are pretty hard working people. And if they know we supported them getting what they wanted, they’ll vote for Conservatives and republicans.

hawkdriver

What they want is half the United States.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Very true. I have lived in San Diego County, California since 1970. I have grown up with Mexicans, and can tell you that the majority of Mexicans have no respect for American laws or sovereignty. They have been taught all of their lives that America stole the entire Southwest United States from them, and if they want it back, all they have to do is move here and take it back. They call the movement, Reconquestia.

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 12:58 AM

The old, rich, white male on the right has bigger balls than the old, rich, white male on the left.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Benghazi proved that her brain is as dead as Obama’s at 3:00a.m.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I’ll pass other than just to say we need to be on the right side of history here. 11-12 million potential voters and they’ll remember which party supported their path to get what they wanted.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Right side of history? The Third Worldification of the United States? Count me out. Even if every single Republican in congress votes for amnesty, the democrats will still get credit and a bunch of third worlders are natural democrat voters anyway and will vote accordingly, not republican voters. If you actually believe the 11-12 million, probably twice that number, will vote republican then you are in an alternate reality.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Benghazi proved that her brain is as dead as Obama’s at 3:00a.m.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Yeah, but the question is whether a dead brain is better than no brain at all.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:02 AM

hawk is bishing.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Evening all you faqs, hows tit hanging? Oh wait, that was last night.

Tonight it is will we get amnesty rammed up or down us before cinco de mayo? huh?

arnold ziffel on April 3, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Michelle will run, with Booker. Thus, the Obamas don’t have to move to HI.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Muslims can be hard working too. Let’s invite them all in as well.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Yeah, but the question is whether a dead brain is better than no brain at all.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Nobrain is in there now. The deadbrained nation kept him.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Nobrain is in there now. The deadbrained nation kept him.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:06 AM

So is NoBrain2; thus, dead brain or no brain.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Muslims can be hard working too. Let’s invite them all in as well.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Obama is.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Michelle will run, with Booker. Thus, the Obamas don’t have to move to HI.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:04 AM

And Barky O’Dogeater will come out of the closet ensuring that Michelle get’s the “Fabulous” vote… O_O

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:08 AM

hawk is bishing.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Not sure why you’d say that.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:09 AM

And Barky O’Dogeater will come out of the closet ensuring that Michelle get’s the “Fabulous” vote… O_O

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:08 AM

lmao

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:09 AM

We waste our time trading comments with each other.

I’ll pass other than just to say we need to be on the right side of history here. 11-12 million potential voters and they’ll remember which party supported their path to get what they wanted.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 12:56 AM

You’re exactly right. Being on the right side of history is how Democrats helped tear African-Americans away from the party of Lincoln.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2013 at 1:09 AM

ensuring that Michelle get’s the “Fabulous” vote… O_O

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:08 AM

She has that, on her own.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:09 AM

If Michelle runs we’ll have the first inverted hot air balloon as candidate.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:10 AM

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 12:56 AM
You’re exactly right. Being on the right side of history is how Democrats helped tear African-Americans away from the party of Lincoln.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Other comments I’ve read you make on the matter lead me to believe you were against a general amnesty. I’m glad we agree on this.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Tonight it is will we get amnesty rammed up or down us before cinco de mayo? huh?

arnold ziffel on April 3, 2013 at 1:03 AM

“Ha! That’s ‘cinco de quatro’, fool! I know. I gone to Columbia and Harvard.” — Sooper-Genius, His Eminence Barky, the Canine Connoisseur.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 3, 2013 at 1:11 AM

You’re exactly right. Being on the right side of history is how Democrats helped tear African-Americans away from the party of Lincoln.

alchemist19 on April 3, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Right – they convinced most all of them that modern day bondage is good. They should wake up and pitchfork their modern day masters.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:12 AM

The two old white males the Ds will run in 2016.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Putin and Robert Mugabe?

(where Mugabe gets to say “what” he is sorta like our own Ogabe.)

viking01 on April 3, 2013 at 1:12 AM

You have no chance any more GRINGOS. None at all. Your empty strutting peacock, your el Presidente is now ruling like a King and is the commander of your armed forces with all your generals now appointed by him and I now my boss owns him. HeI had to pay him muchos dolares as he is very greedy man and does not seem to think that he can ever have too much money. And don’t think Jeb Bush and John McCain and Karl Rove and Marco Rubio and Jeff Flake came cheap either. They almost bankrupt my boss You are now tostada quemada. What on Earth were you thinking when you elected a traidor as your el Presidente? Were you all completely drunk? Way too much Tequila on election day? And two times for God’s sake!!!? Oh well, your loss and our gain. And now if some of you are even going to put up a Big Gate for us, maybe we wasted a lot of money!

Once we get our earnesty amnesty, we will all come to your country. We will all have at least 10 ninos with mucho tax credits from you Gringo smucks and in a generation or two we will overwhelm and deport most of you Gringos! We will start with Arizona after your el Presidente moves federal troops there to arrest their governor and Joe Arpaio and hand the deed over to us and then we will move rapido from there all across the rest of your 57 states to take them over too. Some of you, if you learn Spanish real well, we might let you stay to pick our lettuce or mow our lawns or take care of OUR children in what used to be your houses. Those who don’t learn Spanish will be deported to Alaska. That is until Al Gore’s global warming heats things up and we want Alaska too, then we will deport you all to New Orleans. It will probably all be under water by then anyway.

So give it up and LEARN SPANISH! You should probably all buy Mexican flags too and fly them in your front yard and on your pickup trucks. If you already have an American flag there it is alright if you keep it, as long as you fly it upside down and below our great Mexican flag. Now repeat after me – I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Estados Unidos del Mucho Grande Mexico, and to the Republic for which it use to stand, one nation under us, with everything for us, and nothing anymore for you Gringos except to pay mucho mucho mucho more taxes for our tax credits. And remember Gringos, APRENDER EL ESPANOL!!!

NoBordersJose on April 3, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Not sure why you’d say that.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:09 AM

He was trying very hard to give you the benefit of the doubt. Schad didn’t understand that you’re actually serious. I know how he feels. It’s hard to believe.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 3, 2013 at 1:13 AM

NoBordersJose on April 3, 2013 at 1:12 AM

This is of course another MB4 sockpuppet.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:14 AM

I’ll pass other than just to say we need to be on the right side of history here. 11-12 million potential voters and they’ll remember which party supported their path to get what they wanted.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Either mama hawk is away, you’re drinking scotch and staying up late or on the west coast, but sumpin is up.

arnold ziffel on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Evening all you faqs, hows tit hanging? Oh wait, that was last night.

arnold ziffel on April 3, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Speaking of FAX…

The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in “Metcalfe’s law”–which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants–becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.

- Paul Krugman, 1998

The King of the Bad Prognosticators

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Yeah, but the question is whether a dead brain is better than no brain at all.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:02 AM

My Grandfather, years ago before he died was awarded Senior Citizen of the Year in our state mostly for his long term commitment to Meals on Wheels. The now Vice President was supposed to come down south for it, he was a Senator from the Northern part of our state then, my Pop(grandfather) said “if he comes I don’t want the damn thing” he also told me that he left New York to escape people like the then Senator. I have never forgotten that. There was other derogatory statements, but they wouldn’t pass the filter I am afraid.

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Moochelle expects the coveted Winnie Mandela endorsement…

viking01 on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Jose ♥ hawkdriver

NoBordersJose on April 3, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Must include these quotes

see 04-02-13 Daily Caller,

“Sen. Graham helps import Jamaicans for work at elite country club”

Those low-wage workers helped the club’s financial returns, and indirectly, also helped South Carolina’s Sen. Lindsey Graham, who has long pushed for an immigration rewrite that would import more low-wage foreign workers.

In February, Graham told a Rotary Club lunch in Easley, S.C., that he helped get H-2B guest-worker visas for the country club’s 2012 season.

In exchange for easing the import of foreign workers Graham received greater support from the business community, including political donations from Kiawah’s manager and owner.

Graham’s support for guest workers also earned him a warm welcome at the Kiawah club, where he’s expected to hold a fundraiser in October.

see website Political Party Time10-10-13 invite

Annual Kiawah Island Golf Outing for Fund for America’s Future

Contribution Information $2,500
Distribution Paid for by NRSC

The Fund for America’s Future

entagor on April 3, 2013 at 1:19 AM

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Good evening MarshFox

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:20 AM

This is of course another MB4 sockpuppet.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:14 AM

And what makes you think it’s not my as you say “sockpuppet”?

PootyPoot on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

The fact that a complete moron like Joe Biden, who occasionally led himself to believe that he was a miner’s son from Wales who grew up to lead Labour, was elected to the Senate 7 times (he only served 6 terms) is a major indictment of the people of Delaware.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 12:56 AM
Either mama hawk is away, you’re drinking scotch and staying up late or on the west coast, but sumpin is up.

arnold ziffel on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Mr. Ziffel, I am “finally” actually at home with Mrs Hawkdriver (not her real name) after being in Washington State for ten weeks. I flew her out last week and we came back together. (My clock is still on west coast time and I can’t sleep). But no, nothing going on other than what I commented above. The gop needs people to vote for them. They need to appeal to a broader base of people. If we actually help push amnesty through, I’m sure those folks will show some loyalty in return and vote gop.

(And I never could drink the hard stuff)

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Good Evening my good sir, no new rant lately, they get you in the camp already;) Taking some On- Island leave, was going to do some biking but the weather here went cold and windy out of the blue, so thought I would stop in and say hello. Btw, once I get settled in Portland I will be down, so get ready, I want your autograph for posterity sake;)

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:24 AM

(And I never could drink the hard stuff)

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

But you apparently have no problem with the Kool-aid.

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:25 AM

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:14 AM
And what makes you think it’s not my as you say “sockpuppet”?

PootyPoot on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

His writing style is very distinct.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Moochelle expects the coveted Winnie Mandela endorsement…

viking01 on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

lol, two sweeties there. Moochelle wasn’t complicit in a beatdown of a servant though. Wait, maybe that is why she surrendered her law license and went to dietitian school.

arnold ziffel on April 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM

I want your autograph for posterity sake;)

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:24 AM

ROTFLMAO… What would you want a worthless thing like that for?

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Moochelle expects the coveted Winnie Mandela endorsement…

viking01 on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

lol, two sweeties there. Moochelle wasn’t complicit in a beatdown of a servant though. Wait, maybe that is why she surrendered her law license and went to dietitian school.

arnold ziffel on April 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM

And here I thought it was something mundane like insurance fraud and patient dumping… O_O

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:27 AM

(And I never could drink the hard stuff)

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM
But you apparently have no problem with the Kool-aid.

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Not sure that’s called for.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:28 AM

(And I never could drink the hard stuff)

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

But you apparently have no problem with the Kool-aid.

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:25 AM

lmfao

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:29 AM

is a major indictment of the people of Delaware New Castle and Kent Counties.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

There that doesn’t hurt so much but realistically I can’t argue with you other than Sussex County wasn’t the culprit in that issue from the Reagan years on.

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:30 AM

If we actually help push amnesty through, I’m sure those folks will show some loyalty in return and vote gop.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Clearly an Obama sockpuppet.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:31 AM

lmfao

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Bishop too

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Watch out for these. They are very dangerous.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Mark Levin was playing some clips of Reagan’s CPAC speech, he knew how to explain conservatism and why it was good for everyone. Until we find someone with that gift again, we are destined to continue to lose.

Cindy Munford on April 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM
Clearly an Obama sockpuppet.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Yeah, that’s me. An obama sockpuppet like Rubio, McCain and Graham. You might want to look to some of the gop leadership that quite correctly is trying to appeal to a broader base.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM

I’ll pass other than just to say we need to be on the right side of history here. 11-12 million potential voters and they’ll remember which party supported their path to get what they wanted.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Are you serious, or just joking?

If you are joking – LoL!

If you are serious, please explain why hispanic percentages went down for republicans after Reagan and the republicans gave amnesty to all of the illegal aliens in the U.S. in 1986.

In 1984 Reagan got 37% of the hispanic vote.
In 1986 Reagan and the republicans gave amnesty to all illegal aliens.
In 1988 Bush got 30% of the hispanic vote.

they’ll remember which party supported their path to get what they wanted.

You say they’ll remember? Another joke, right? LoL

jaime on April 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM

To celebrate the 80′s of course;) I can say I knew one personally, besides, as fast as things are deteriorating I may get there just in time to rescue you from the reeducation camp;)

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:35 AM

If we actually help push amnesty through, I’m sure those folks will show some loyalty in return and vote gop.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Boy, that’s a tuff one, hawkdriver. Jut about every project I work on now is dominated by Mexican labor. They’re even here in Maine taking work away from the locals although they’ve got a ways to go to dominate the labor pool like the do in New York.

But vote for the GOP? Dunno. They are, as you say, very decent folk, but I sense that they are really in it for themselves and could care less about America.

Cleombrotus on April 3, 2013 at 1:36 AM

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Not sure that’s called for.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:28 AM

If you honestly think that illegal aliens from Mexico are going to vote Republican for any reason, then yes it is. The GOP and conservatives are as far politically from what they grew up on as it’s possible to be. Mexico is a MARXIST/Socialist Nation. Illegal alien Mexicans are for the vast majority, straight up Socialists and small m marxist.

Look, I live 40 miles from the Mexican Border, I’ve lived here for 40 odd years. Believe me when I tell you, I am very familiar with the Mexican political mentality. They are not going to vote for the Republican Party. Not unless the Republicans becomes even more Socialistic and Marxist then the Democrats.

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:36 AM

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:30 AM

I stand corrected.

In a way, both of the last 2 Veeps have served as “the-word-that-is-dare-not-spoken-on-HA” insurance. Nutter World didn’t want Cheney as POTUS because, well, he might nuke ‘em. Neither Nutter World and Not-So-Nutty World want a President Biden because, well, “he is dumb as an ashtray” and no one knows what the hell he might do.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Yeah, that’s me. An obama sockpuppet like Rubio, McCain and Graham.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM

You’ve now got Rubio, McCain and Graham all topped and by a wide margin. You even have topped Obama himself.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:37 AM

An obama sockpuppet like Rubio, McCain and Graham. You might want to look to some of the gop leadership that quite correctly is trying to appeal to a broader base.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM

While alienating their base. Good luck. The Rs deserve to lose, into oblivion.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:39 AM

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Bmore on April 3, 2013 at 1:39 AM

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM
You’ve now got Rubio, McCain and Graham all topped and by a wide margin. You even have topped Obama himself.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Because I support an issue that if they get behind will give a broader appeal to republicans?

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Want to see the perfect Van Gogh entry? Here.

Bmore on April 3, 2013 at 1:39 AM

Excellent dude… ;)

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:41 AM

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM
You’ve now got Rubio, McCain and Graham all topped and by a wide margin. You even have topped Obama himself.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Because I support an issue that if they get behind will give a broader appeal to republicans?

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Pipe dream… as in the kind of dream one has from smoking to much crack.

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:42 AM

like Rubio, McCain and Graham.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:34 AM

They are all despicable slimeballs and treasonous worms. I wouldn’t vote for a party that had people like that in it, and I won’t. The GOP is dead to me. Good luck finding illegals to vote in my stead.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 3, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Because I support an issue that if they get behind will give a broader appeal to republicans?

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:41 AM

It won’t do any such thing. It will do the opposite. And it will further, much further, Third Worldize America. You may want that, but I do not.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:44 AM

If hawk is not bishing the land is in way more trouble than previously assumed.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:46 AM

April 1 has long passed.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:46 AM

But then maybe we will be able to win the illegal invader’s hearts-and-minds like we have done so well in glorious Afcrapistan.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:46 AM

If hawk is not bishing the land is in way more trouble than previously assumed.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:46 AM

So are you saying that since he didn’t have the foresight to get a second ID, he is his own “sockpuppet”?

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Mo, I wish my home state wasn’t blue trust me, I can say with some certainty that Sussex County is red. Problem is the population centers even there tend to outweigh the rural folk. However when you look at most of our representatives and senators you see a pattern of where they are from and reside, and it ain’t in the chicken poop shoveling south I can tell you that. When we went up there to play in the football state championships, it was ugly, you would have thought being from chicken farming country was a four letter word.

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:49 AM

If hawk is not bishing the land is in way more trouble than previously assumed.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Irreparable damage has been done to this nation. There is no actual solution left (for those who want a nation that will carry the American creed and ideas into the future, which the American Socialist Superstate clearly CANNOT) other than a national divorce and to start America anew. There is nothing left in this nation. It’s toast.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 3, 2013 at 1:49 AM

But you apparently have no problem with the Kool-aid.

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 1:25 AM
lmfao

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:29 AM

You think it’s funny too? I’m not any different on immigration than you. What the heck?

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Another hypocrite unveiled.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:50 AM

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:49 AM

I bet.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 1:52 AM

In what certainly seems like four score and seven years ago, American voters, deceived by a man of a true nature most foul and his media propaganda ministers, brought forth, upon this Nation, a profoundly warped man, conceived who knows where for certain, who is dedicated to the proposition that all other men and women are created inferior and should be subservient to his every narcissistic will and whim.

Now we are engaged in a great battle, testing whether this nation, or any nation so burdened, and so assaulted, can long endure. We are met here on a great internet battlefield with compatriots in the Tea Party Freedom Movement and compatriots on blogs throughout the internet, and on the radio waves, of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of our lives in honor of our forefathers who dedicated their lives that this nation might live vigorous and free.
It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

It is for us, the living, to be dedicated to the restoration of freedom, liberty, rule of law, progress and sanity which our Founders so nobly brought about. It is for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us – that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they so long ago gave the full measure of devotion – that we here highly resolve that our Founding Fathers shall not have labored in vain, that this nation shall have a rebirth of freedom, and that this government will once again be of the people, by the people, and for the people, and that we will not allow throwback abominations like Barack Hussein Obama and his quislings and useful idiots like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio to cause it, and it’s shinning light, to perish from the Earth.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:52 AM

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:46 AM
So are you saying that since he didn’t have the foresight to get a second ID, he is his own “sockpuppet”?

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:48 AM

I actually feel pretty comfortable speaking my mind from one character reference. Me. People either agree with you or not. I don’t see the need in making a false impression there are more of my opinion than there actually are. That’s the game you play. (Plus your socks get ban-hammered pretty regularly too)

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:54 AM

The now Vice President was supposed to come down south for it, he was a Senator from the Northern part of our state then, my Pop(grandfather) said “if he comes I don’t want the damn thing” he also told me that he left New York to escape people like the then Senator. I have never forgotten that. There was other derogatory statements, but they wouldn’t pass the filter I am afraid.

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Let me guess, had to do with parentage, intercourse and painful death.

arnold ziffel on April 3, 2013 at 1:54 AM

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:52 AM

You may want to add a few years to your count to truly catch the man who started it all.

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:55 AM

I actually feel pretty comfortable speaking my mind from one character reference. Me. People either agree with you or not. I don’t see the need in making a false impression there are more of my opinion than there actually are. That’s the game you play. (Plus your socks get ban-hammered pretty regularly too)

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:54 AM

So then you, like Barack Obama, do actually want to fundamentally transform America, only even more so.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 1:58 AM

arnold ziffel on April 3, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Somewhere along those lines yes;) My grandfather God love him was certainly colorful when he wanted to be. He got to the point there at the end when he was just like Anthony Hopkins in Legends of The Fall about government.

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 1:58 AM

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Of course you can/will speak your mind. It won’t make it so. The statistics are all against you, ever since Reagan. You mab be for full-fledged amnesty out of other reasons. That they will vote R is a myth.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:59 AM

You think it’s funny too? I’m not any different on immigration than you. What the heck?

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Just because I have told people that “rounding up 11+ million illegals and sending them back home” is unrealistic and that something will eventually be done whether we like it or not because we cannot continue with the current situation does not mean that I support McShame and Senator Scarlett. I also have deep suspicious that Rubio will either rollover or being rolled by Schumer.

Personally, I do not like the fact that Republicans are even using border enforcement, a constitutional duty and responsibility of the Federal government, as a bargaining chip in immigration reform. It should be a stand-alone piece of legislation and the President should enforce current immigration law. If that means the status quo as to illegals remains for the next 5-10 years, oh, well. Democrats and Republicans like McCain and Graham will just have to get over it. Secure the border…and do it quick because, if it turns out that those Texas prosecutors were killed as a result of “hits” ordered by Mexican drug cartels, then all hell should and better break loose.

I do not suffer under any delusion that Hispanics are “natural conservatives and/or Republicans”…which is, truly, irrelevant since I’m not either, but the Hispanic bloc is not going to rush to the GOP because of immigration reform. Furthermore, since Hispanics are amongst the biggest supporters of Obamacare, if you are going to be a big cheerleader on immigration, then you are going to have to “evolve” on Obamacare, too.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM

Hopefully all those who want to fundamentally transform America will have no more ultimate success than they had doing that in Afghanistan.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 2:01 AM

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Of course you can/will speak your mind. It won’t make it so. The statistics are all against you, ever since Reagan. You mab be for full-fledged amnesty out of other reasons. That they will vote R is a myth.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 1:59 AM

And you disagreeing with me, my friend, doesn’t make it not so. A lot of people agree with the fact that the gop needs to appeal to a broader base.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 2:02 AM

Hopefully all those who want to fundamentally transform America will have no more ultimate success than they had doing that in Afghanistan.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 2:01 AM

That is one of the cheapest shots I’ve seen anyone take here. You nothing if you’re not class.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 2:03 AM

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 2:01 AM

You need to let all that anger about AFG go, it won’t bring any of them back, trust me that is a long train that don’t come!

MarshFox on April 3, 2013 at 2:04 AM

And you disagreeing with me, my friend, doesn’t make it not so. A lot of people agree with the fact that the gop needs to appeal to a broader base.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 2:02 AM

So let’s just import about a 100 million muslims and build all manner of mosques for them and implement shariah law. I’m sure they will be grateful and vote Republican. The democrats won’t know what hit them.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 2:06 AM

A lot of people agree with the fact that the gop needs to appeal to a broader base.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 2:02 AM

By selling their principled views on freedom, independence, constitution and etc.

Amnesty will alienate more people from the Rs than it will bring in.

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On Afghanistan – it is not hawk’s fault that his two CiCs didn’t want to win. If so, they should have never sent the hawks there.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2013 at 2:07 AM

I do not suffer under any delusion that Hispanics are “natural conservatives and/or Republicans”…which is, truly, irrelevant since I’m not either, but the Hispanic bloc is not going to rush to the GOP because of immigration reform. Furthermore, since Hispanics are amongst the biggest supporters of Obamacare, if you are going to be a big cheerleader on immigration, then you are going to have to “evolve” on Obamacare, too.

Resist We Much on April 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM

You’re more optimist for a smaller demographic.

LOL.
They are as likely to vote Republican as the low wage (socially conservative LOL) illegal immigrants will.

astonerii on March 27, 2013 at 8:24 PM

31% of the gay vote went to Republicans in 2010.

Gay Voters’ Support For Republicans Nearly Doubled From 2008 (19%)

There was a decrease in 2012,although not back to 2008 levels, but then there was one candidate who supported SSM and there were several SSM initiatives on the ballot in numerous states.

Resist We Much on March 27, 2013 at 8:32 PM

So, you agree with me.

WOW lets increase the number of gays so we can get 1/3 to their 2/3 advantage. We lose elections this way, but we make up for it with higher vote totals! What is not to LOVE about that!

astonerii on March 27, 2013 at 8:43 PM

I wasn’t sure if you meant that we should really go after their vote even if it meant sacrificing a proven block and then you wrote this

Luvs, you got 31% of Teh Ghey vote despite the fact that some of you hurl invectives at them constantly.

By the way, my point had nothing to do with “31% of .05% of the US population.” Someone claimed that they would vote along the same lines as African-Americans do. Blacks make up about ~13% of the population, but vote ~95% Democrat. So, while there may be fewer homosexuals in the population, they do not vote as monolithically as do African-Americans or “illegal, low-wage immigrants or whatever.”

WOW lets increase the number of gays so we can get 1/3 to their 2/3 advantage. We lose elections this way, but we make up for it with higher vote totals! What is not to LOVE about that!
Yeah, I LOVED how a lot of you “true conservatives” – you know, the social conservatives with nary a black SSM-supporting sheep amongst the flock per the all-knowing-all-seeing you – sat on your keisters last November because, well, like, Mitt Romney wasn’t conservative enough for you. So, you decided you’d just punish the rest of us by keeping your ball at home.

This libertarian, at least, held her nose and voted for YOUR party’s candidate because I had the mental capacity to understand that he wouldn’t put a Cass Sunstein or Eric Holder on the Supreme Court when Justice Ginsburg retires. If you think the last two days have been scary, just wait until a liberal-dominated SCOTUS hears arguments why churches shouldn’t lose their tax exemptions if they preach that homosexuality is a sin or whether sexual preference trumps religious liberty or whether the Catholic church can refuse to hire an atheist lesbian as a priest. Good luck with that, you-who-calls-other-people-useful-idiots.

Resist We Much on March 27, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Can’t we all just agree we’re trying to appeal to a broader base?

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 2:09 AM

And you disagreeing with me, my friend, doesn’t make it not so. A lot of people agree with the fact that the gop needs to appeal to a broader base.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 2:02 AM

40 percent of Americans are Conservatives, that’s the broader base they need to be appealing to. 30 percent are independent’s who lean Conservative, 30 percent are Democrats. Barky O’Dogeater did not beat Mitt Romney, the media did. They did so by lying to the American people. And you are falling for one of those lies.

SWalker on April 3, 2013 at 2:10 AM

vordaj, that was supposed to say, “you’re” nothing if …

But you knew that.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 2:10 AM

That is one of the cheapest shots I’ve seen anyone take here. You nothing if you’re not class.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Didn’t you already use that line, or close to it? If I am to advocate truth, justice and the American way, I will not do it stintingly just so you don’t get hurt feelings.

VorDaj on April 3, 2013 at 2:10 AM

I agree with Schad and SWalker.

SparkPlug on April 3, 2013 at 2:11 AM

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