Eurozone unemployment hits a record 12 percent

posted at 12:01 pm on April 2, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Yikes. The end of 2012 marked a collective economic contraction in the eurozone for the fifth straight quarter, and the 17-member currency bloc is well on track to logging their sixth:

Official figures for first-quarter economic activity won’t be released until May 15, but the monthly Eurocoin measure of euro-zone output released Friday signaled a contraction for March, having earlier signaled declines in activity in January and February.

The measure, which is compiled by London-based Center for Economic Policy Research and the Bank of Italy, also showed a drop in gross domestic product in each of the three months of the fourth quarter, an indication borne out later when official data showed the euro-zone economy shrank by 0.6%.

That dreary outlook is further corroborated by the revised January and today’s February jobs reports, which reported eurozone unemployment coming in at a whopping 12 percent — the highest figure since the currency was first launched in 1999.

The number of people unemployed in the 17 member states rose by 33,000 during [February], to hit 19.07 million, the statistics agency Eurostat said. …

The jobless figures from Eurostat also showed that Spain’s unemployment rate hit 26.3% in February, while the rate in Portugal remained stable at 17.5%.

The lowest rates were recorded in Austria (4.8%) and Germany (5.4%), both unchanged from January. The overall unemployment rate for the eurozone in January was revised up from 11.9% to 12%. …

The fresh high in the unemployment rate “is further confirmation of the underlying weakness of the economy”, said Jennifer McKeown at Capital Economics.

“The rise in unemployment was the 22nd in a row, making this labour market downturn the most prolonged since the early 1990s.”

And this is all from February, before the Cyprus situation even got started — it’s relative impact might not be huge, but I’d doubt that that chaos and the accompanying market-jitters are going to do anything helpful for business confidence or the labor market, nor for the EU’s long-term stability.

These are just more reminders of what happens after repeated failures to substantively deal with brewing debt crises and practice fiscal responsibility — but hey, it’s cool, because “we don’t have an immediate crisis in terms of debt” and “for the next 10 years, it’s gonna be in a sustainable place,” or something.


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“we don’t have an immediate crisis in terms of debt” and “for the next 10 years, it’s gonna be in a sustainable place,” or something.

Obummer should resign and run for President of the EU. They think so much alike.

HotAirian on April 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Our unemployment rate would be 10.8% if labor force participation were the same as in January 2009 and 11.7% if LFP were the same as its peak under George W. Bush.

steebo77 on April 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

(Not to mention all those working part-time because it’s all they can get.)

steebo77 on April 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

OT: Defcad.org is working. Floatingrock was fooled.

jawkneemusic on April 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Sounds like they haven’t figured out what we have here in the US. You’ve got to change the way it’s measured so that the number goes down. Duh! Those Europeans are so backward.

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM

What is their “disability” rate?

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Sounds like they haven’t figured out what we have here in the US. You’ve got to change the way it’s measured so that the number goes down. Duh! Those Europeans are so backward.

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Actually some of them already cook the numbers by mandating maximum number of hours so that employers are forced to essentially set up job-sharing.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Very true. Further, the employment regs are so onerous that many employers just go as long as they can without hiring, especially young people, because it just isn’t worth it. EU rules and then some further labour laws in countries like France and Italy have created an almost “tenure-like system” in the private sector. Survive the probationary period and you are nearly impossible to terminate.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Wonder if they cook their numbers as badly as we do, or… is ours *actually* worse than theirs?

Midas on April 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

That number is way higher. Like in the US, the reported figures are not the real ones.

In Spain the youth unempl. is 50%.

One should not assume these are unintended positions. The more depend on the gov’t dole the more sheep there are to ‘lead’. “Vote for us, we’ll give you somethin’”.

The cows are already almost dead.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Well then, it sounds like they’re incompetent and being incompetent. They’ll have to try more. But less. Both less and more at the same time; Ob the Great and Mighty can give them some advice on golf playing while lying about numbers he doesn’t understand.

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Wonder if they cook their numbers as badly as we do, or… is ours *actually* worse than theirs?

Midas on April 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Both.

This is the reason. Each land has one.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Unemployment, no hope for the future, a self-segregated immigrant populous (Muslims) and within a few years radical terrorists returning to Europe. Yeah this is going to work out so well.

rbj on April 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

One should not assume these are unintended positions. The more depend on the gov’t dole the more sheep there are to ‘lead’. “Vote for us, we’ll give you somethin’”.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

“The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.”

~ Albert Camus

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Utopia breeds high unemployment. The higher, the better. It is a necessary part of Utopia. And it will be an integral part of the New America and the New American.

If you’re in your late 40s or older – you’ve already seen the onset of the rot. Think about when you were young – and look at our country – now:

The Face Of The New American

OhEssYouCowboys on April 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Yeah, I was going to post something like that. Political stats. Blech!

They all lie.

In related news, did you all see the release of the list of names of people that got their money out of Cypress? Today the Cypriot Financial Minister resigned to aid the investigation into corruption.

LOL

dogsoldier on April 2, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Don’t assume what’s bad for the EU is good for us, the monies are far to intertwined.

Mention the Cyprus confiscation can’t happen here and the howls and insinuation of stupidity will go through the roof but remember financiers have no nation, harbor no alliances currency is their God.

Speakup on April 2, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Cyprus finance miniser quits, after EU bailout. Investigation ensues.

I predict that Russia will take over Cyprus, in time, via Gazprom. Russia will not be idle when the oligarchs lost 60-90% of their legitimately deposited money in Cyprus. Putin has his pockets lined from them.

If the EU, who knew for years about Cyprus’ money heaven, had an issue with how they made their money they should prosecute them. However, what the EU blessed and executes now is official robbery and looting of the first rate, for shame. May all in the EU who stand for it go to Hell, pronto, with Merkel up front. It sets an incredibly bad precedent.

Putin will have the last laugh. Just wait and see.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:46 PM

“The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.”

~ Albert Camus

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Why I wuv you so :)

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM

“The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.”

~ Albert Camus

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

The whine of “Tyranny” is always the moaning of anarchists.

~ME

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

In related news, did you all see the release of the list of names of people that got their money out of Cypress? Today the Cypriot Financial Minister resigned to aid the investigation into corruption.

LOL

dogsoldier on April 2, 2013 at 12:42 PM

The EU heads should be tried and hung, every one of them, for looting.

——–
The Cypriot banks outside of Cyprus (London…) were open while the local ones were closed. You’d have had to be an idiot to keep your dough inside, while Merkel and her idiots were looting you to an unknown, and still not determined percentage.

If the oligarchs are guilty of how they made their dough it’s a different matter. For being looted, officially, Merkel and co. s/b hung. I don’t care how much anyone will rationalize it – it is Looting of one’s money and should never be condoned by legitimate governments, unless such are tyrants and thugs.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

The whine of “Tyranny” is always the moaning of anarchists.

~ME

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

“atonerii is always an anarchist”

– Me

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Russia will not be idle when the oligarchs lost 60-90% of their legitimately deposited money in Cyprus. Putin has his pockets lined from them.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Putin may wind up, effectively, taking over Cyprus, but it won’t be because Russian oligarchs lost 60-90% of their deposits. Like the wealthy Cypriots, they got much of their money out of the country before the so-called ‘bail-in.’ It is the middle to upper-middle class Cypriot saver, businesses (whose payrolls were seized), and smaller foreign investors.

Nevertheless, if Russia can get its hands on Cyprus’ hydrocarbons by helping out the country, it will.

Why I wuv you so :)

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM

I wuv you, too.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

The whine of “Tyranny” is always the moaning of anarchists.

~ME

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Said by one who has never lived under EU regulations.

Ignorance is bliss.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Eurozone unemployment hits a record 12 percent

Pikers. We’re # 1.

Unless, that is, they’re playing the same kind of games with their unemployment metrics that our government is.

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 2, 2013 at 1:00 PM

The whine of “Tyranny” is always the moaning of anarchists.

~ME

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

The inability to identify the onset of tyranny, or to even realize that it can happen, is always the lot of the ignorant and the illiterate. And they are the backbone of tyranny.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM

OT: Defcad.org is working. Floatingrock was fooled.

jawkneemusic on April 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

It wasn’t FL who was fooled.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Agreed, on all. Putin will use the EU ‘bail-in’ as an excuse.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on April 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM

But you are a cowboy rube, talking to a highly educated guy who just “can’t express himself low, to the likes of us” – paraphrased from his words…a while ago. They have PHds and you don’t.

Wuv you OEC, not in a gay way, just with all my heart and mind.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:08 PM

S/b OEYC

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM

This is just one example of the shyt that comes out of Brussels…

(European) Union Power!

No longer is Parliament the writer of laws in the UK. Most of the laws, rules and regulations that are governing the UK come out of Brussels and not even the EP, at that. This has been confirmed by Office for National Statistics and the National Audit office, and confirms studies done by organisations such as Open Europe. According to a report by the Tax Payers Alliance in 2010, EU-imposed regulation cost Britain £120 billion a year.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Said by one who has never lived under EU regulations.

Ignorance is bliss.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 12:55 PM

The argument is that it cuts both ways. I did not say you were specifically wrong. But your argument taken to the logical ends means Anarchy. No one in control, just a bunch of gangs.

I agree that the EU is totally screwed up, and mostly due to too much government.

A agree that the US is totally screwed up, and pretty much all due to too much government.

If you want me on the side of smaller government, then you need to join me in getting rid of the welfare entitlement state. Until then, I am firmly on the side of, if it is destructive and illegal now, it should remain so. You can suffer until you help me get what I want.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:12 PM

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:12 PM

…while you tap into the cow’s teet…

astonerii, you and a few others, like Dante, like to pretzel arguments to the point that one can’t fight with you, even when on the same side.

RWM is totally against the welfare and faux disability state. Plus, she fights openly, at the risk of her liberty, every day, often night too.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:17 PM

S/b the cow’s depleted teet.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:18 PM

I just spent a week in Ireland and talked to a lot of people. Totally anecdotal, but they do not like the EU.

Bob's Kid on April 2, 2013 at 1:18 PM

May all who brung/kept Obama be utterly destroyed by him.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Until then, I am firmly on the side of, if it is destructive and illegal now, it should remain so. You can suffer until you help me get what I want.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:12 PM

A private ward in a mental hospice. That shouldn’t be hard at all.

jimver on April 2, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I just spent a week in Ireland and talked to a lot of people. Totally anecdotal, but they do not like the EU.

Bob’s Kid on April 2, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Yeah, right, but they did when the EU was pouring their ‘structural’ funds in there…Not so anecdotally, they had the chance to vote ‘no’ on the EU treaty not too long ago,it didn’t happen though…to the Brits’ credit, if they were given the opportunity of a referendum, they would actually vote ‘no’… So, when the Brits say that they don”t like the EU, they actually mean it…

jimver on April 2, 2013 at 1:25 PM

If you want me on the side of smaller government, then you need to join me in getting rid of the welfare entitlement state. Until then, I am firmly on the side of, if it is destructive and illegal now, it should remain so. You can suffer until you help me get what I want.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Are you bloody kidding me? I went “over the hill” for demolishing the ENTIRE ENTITLEMENT STATE, including Medicare and Social Security in the US, many, many, many moons ago.

The EU is f*cked up for many reasons. One of the primary reasons is that it was the brainchild of 1940s/50s European Soviet-lovers, who wanted “A United States of Europe” with “USSR” power structure & constitution. Another is that it is fundamentally anti-democratic with 27 unelected, unaccountable apparatchiks and their legions of pointy-headed bureaucrats. The people have no say.

One example is the death penalty. Member states had either abolished the DP on their own or had their laws abolished by previous EU treaties; however, it was reintroduced in a footnote to the Treaty of Lisboa, upon neither the whole nor part of which the overwhelming majority of Europeans were allowed to vote. In its “explanations” and “negative definitions” accompanying the fundamental rights, the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union allows a reintroduction of the death penalty in case of war or imminent war, but also the killing of humans to suppress insurgency or riot.

Norway cannot execute Anders Behring Breivik for murdering 77 people, but the EU could, theoretically, impose the death penalty on Cypriots rioting because their bank accounts were drained…without a trial.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Hmm, interesting twisting of things. You took my argument as an attack on the person instead of stating a truth? Grow up.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM

When puerile you should never tell others to grow up, not even when highly educated.

It is you who twist things. I most often want to agree with you, were you not so pretzeled.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Today is not many moons ago. I take individual arguments at face value and evaluate them.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM

twists things

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM

When puerile you should never tell others to grow up, not even when highly educated.

It is you who twist things. I most often want to agree with you, were you not so pretzeled.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM

What did I twist? You make an argument and do not follow up with any evidence of any such truth.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I take individual arguments at face value and evaluate them.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM

…but you expect others to untwist your pretzeled arguments…then you tell them to “grow up”.

You’re not a bad person at all, and I grant you all that intelligence and learning (many of us are very learned but prefer to be considered rubes – see hillbillyjim and OEYC). However, by your own words, you often convey things in pretzeled ways, then ‘shoot’ the ones who ‘don’t agree with you, in full’.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Today is not many moons ago. I take individual arguments at face value and evaluate them.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Then, you haven’t read what I’ve written – REPEATEDLY – on eliminating ALL entitlement programmes and every form of welfare and subsidy.

I wrote about this several times on HA in the last week alone. That’s no many moons ago. I am quite sure that you remember my position on SSM with clarity. Pay closer attention and stop being so selective.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 1:35 PM

What did I twist? You make an argument and do not follow up with any evidence of any such truth.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM

The Camus quote is self-evident. You should have let RWM stand.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Now the thread is about astonerii and no longer how fluked the EU, and the US, are.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Now the thread is about astonerii and no longer how fluked the EU, and the US, are.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Only if we let it and I say we don’t.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Now the thread is about astonerii and no longer how fluked the EU, and the US, are.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Only if we let it and I say we don’t.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM

You think? Take a look at the other threads, he’s ubiquitous, much like the Germans in your Merkiavelli article :)

jimver on April 2, 2013 at 1:47 PM

jimver on April 2, 2013 at 1:47 PM

The Obama teet makes it possible.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:50 PM

But you are a cowboy rube, talking to a highly educated guy who just “can’t express himself low, to the likes of us” – paraphrased from his words…a while ago. They have PHds and you don’t.

Wuv you OEC, not in a gay way, just with all my heart and mind.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Ha! Wuv you, too, Schad. LOL – but not in a Congressional evolutionary way. ;O)

I haven’t been on HotAir as much, recently – but when I am, I see your work, and am pleased.

It’s good to know that you’re constantly bombarding our enemy/enemies.

You’re a good soul – keep hammering ‘em.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 2, 2013 at 1:58 PM

The Camus quote is self-evident. You should have let RWM stand.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Been debating with the pro gay marriage, pro drug, and pro open borders people on this site quite a bit. They like to throw the term of tyrant around too much. So, in evaluating that sentence, it irritated me due to the lack of limit it had. It does not stand very well on it’s own. It only stands in context.

Also, I do not think that I am as you say, I do in fact not say that if you are not 100% with me you are against me. I argue how, if you truly believe what you say about liberty, then the first step in allowing more freedom is taking the chains of servitude off the necks of those who produce and are forced to subsidize the behaviors you desire to make legal.

Then we can talk about how much burden allowing someone to smoke dope, take crack causes on society and come to a more logical conclusion on what is acceptable while keeping as much liberty as possible and allowing society at large to thrive. Government is a compromise on liberty, if liberty is your only goal, then no government is also.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM

The lefties don’t limit themselves to one issue at a time. We still don’t have a budget, but they’re pushing SSM, gun control, immigration/amnesty, higher taxes, preventing Keystone Pipeline, carbon tax, and on and on and on.

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 2:04 PM

In the meanwhile 8.8 billion in TX surplus

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Been debating with the pro gay marriage, pro drug, and pro open borders people on this site quite a bit. They like to throw the term of tyrant around too much. So, in evaluating that sentence, it irritated me due to the lack of limit it had. It does not stand very well on it’s own. It only stands in context.

Er, we were talking about the EU, not SSM, pro drug, pro open borders.

Also, I do not think that I am as you say, I do in fact not say that if you are not 100% with me you are against me. I argue how, if you truly believe what you say about liberty, then the first step in allowing more freedom is taking the chains of servitude off the necks of those who produce and are forced to subsidize the behaviors you desire to make legal.

I do not support any form of subsidisation. Sorry.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 2:04 PM

You are right. But what we get from many on this site and the contributors is that, we should give up on gay marriage, and focus on… We should give up on drugs and focus on… We should give up on everything so we can focus on…

I agree, we can focus on everything. But when my own “side” (are they really?) is sabotaging any hope on the BIG items by always arguing for letting the liberals win on the supposedly small items, I get a little less than forgiving with them.

Welfare and Entitlements drive almost every single negative aspect of this nation. Add in the education system and the media, which I think are more symptoms of the prior, and that pretty much sums up what drives big government.

This is the same problem that the EU has. It is addicted to welfare and entitlements. They are about 10 years advanced of us in this regard.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Agreed, in full, on your second phrase.

On your 3rd one, some gov’t, i.e. defense, might be needed.

I’m not in disagreement much with you, just on your ‘pretzeled’ style of argument, which by your own words makes you misunderstood. In times of real war I’ll be on your side, or you’ll be on mine, for our survival, no doubt.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I do not support any form of subsidisation. Sorry.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Heh, I almost added to my last comment “and so is RWM”, but then I didn’t, knowing full well that you argue ‘bestest’.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:13 PM

RWM, it’s “subsidization” :)

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:14 PM

The lefties don’t limit themselves to one issue at a time. We still don’t have a budget, but they’re pushing SSM, gun control, immigration/amnesty, higher taxes, preventing Keystone Pipeline, carbon tax, and on and on and on.

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Who is a lefty?

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Welfare and Entitlements drive almost every single negative aspect of this nation. Add in the education system and the media, which I think are more symptoms of the prior, and that pretty much sums up what drives big government.

This is the same problem that the EU has. It is addicted to welfare and entitlements. They are about 10 years advanced of us in this regard.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM

RWM and I have given up very lucrative endeavours/profits to starve the Looters. Have you?

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Fund Your Utopia Without Me.™

–Resist We Much

+1

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:18 PM

When righties fight the thuggish charlatans on the left with steely ones and not with silky gloves they’ll win, alas.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:19 PM

RWM – the Goebbelisation (used “s” just for you :)) – maybe you want to do something for your blog with it.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:24 PM

This is the same problem that the EU has. It is addicted to welfare and entitlements. They are about 10 years advanced of us in this regard.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM

It is further advanced than 10 years although Obama is doing his best to catch up.

One might be tempted to argue that the welfare state is the result of breakdown in societal “norms,” but I would argue that Europe proves otherwise. In the UK, for example, the real establishment of the welfare state – during the Attlee government – preceded societal breakdown by probably 2 decades. It is the addiction of welfare and dependency that destroys the family and the individual. They may become self-perpetuating, but it has been, in many cases, government that has driven the societal changes rather than the so-called ’60s liberation or other ‘social revolution.’

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Who is a lefty?

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Socialists, fascists, communists, big government types, believers in liberation theology, people who want to fundamentally transform the nation, and most American Democrats. I admit to using the term because it seems to annoy them.

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 2:30 PM

RWM and I have given up very lucrative endeavours/profits to starve the Looters. Have you?

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I cut back on over time after Bush and McCain got their TARP. As for lucrative endeavors, my nature has never been to pursue them. I joined the Marines rather than take a partial to MIT that I knew I really could not afford. If they would have given me a free ride, I think at that time I would have jumped on it though. Thought they would allow me to attend as a veteran, but by then, the ship had sailed with my migraines. Since then, I think you can count on one hand the number of weeks I put in over time hours.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I am terrible with names, one of several mental failures I have, second languages being another. Sorry to have tangled with you. You have it right, government is driving these social changes. With intent and using Marx as the template.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:33 PM

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Good on your cutbacks.

Truly sorry about your migranes. They can be devastating.

Thank you for being a Marine.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 2:30 PM

I’m glad you don’t call them liberals. They never are.

I call them leftists, in the most denigrating way. It’s all they are, thugs and tyrants, who love to control all others, especially their own fools, for their own glorious lives.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Now we are 3 :)

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:40 PM

With intent and using Marx as the template.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Indeed – ironically he, like Obama, lived the life of a 1%r.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Should be called regressives. They want to progress back to when windmills were a primary source of power. They want to progress back to when people were owned by the state. They want to progress back to when there were actual classes of citizens which were immutable. They want to progress back to when people barely were able to produce what they needed to consume to survive. They want to progress back to when the only people entitle to own arms were the upper class and their servant dogs.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:40 PM

You still need to help me figure out the twisting aspect. I try to debate fairly.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:43 PM

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Not to quibble, but two items for which they are even more idiotic:

1. Windmills kill 500 birds a day, in the US alone. Now they don’t know what to do with those. I’m talking, of course, about the modern ones.

2. The want to kill off, via regulations and collectivism, all who individually produce anything, food, gardens, etc…they can’t suffer any individualism. All must be a controlled commune.

May the devil strike them all.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Oh ya, I forgot these people extremely NSFW.

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 2:48 PM

You still need to help me figure out the twisting aspect. I try to debate fairly.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I can’t help you out. You said yourself that you have trouble explaining more simply. I’ll try harder to get you. You’re just a complex type, which is ok. Be assured that I am NOT against you.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I sure hope I can find a new house with a yard big enough for a garden.

When does growing a tomato plant indoors equate to losing your right to not be unjustly searched!

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:48 PM

I really need to do an excel data sheet that reminds me who people are. Like I did with all the candidates in the primary.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:50 PM

When does growing a tomato plant indoors equate to losing your right to not be unjustly searched!

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Good luck with the garden. It will be a necessity, sooner than we think.

On the latter, in Obama/Goebbels America, as we saw a day, or two, ago.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:51 PM

I really need to do an excel data sheet that reminds me who people are. Like I did with all the candidates in the primary.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:50 PM

You’re not alone in that, although I’m starting to remember a few.

Fenris on April 2, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2013 at 2:51 PM

One of the failings of grandma and grandpa was that they never told me the why and really how of the garden we had. Grandma did pretty much all the work, even at age 74.

We will see. Got to get the permanent job first, and probably be forced to sell my primary residence, although I am sure I can keep paying for both. Will have to see what the bank thinks.

astonerii on April 2, 2013 at 2:59 PM

French ex-minister, a Socialist, admits lying about Swiss account to evade paying French taxes

France’s former budget minister Jérôme Cahuzac, who until two weeks ago was responsible for cracking down on tax evasion, admitted to having hidden funds in a secret Swiss bank. Judges have now placed Cahuzac under formal investigation.

France’s former budget minister Jérôme Cahuzac admitted on Tuesday that he had held a secret bank account abroad – a fact that he has strenuously denied until now.

His admission comes two weeks after he resigned from the government over allegations that he had siphoned funds into a UBS bank account in Switzerland in order to avoid paying taxes in France.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130402-ex-france-budget-minister-admits-lying-over-secret-swiss-account-cahuzac-hollande

It’s kewl, astonerii.

Resist We Much on April 2, 2013 at 3:31 PM

These are the conditions that led to WW2.

Dollayo on April 2, 2013 at 5:26 PM