Democratic gay-marriage pool update: Bob Casey now in favor of SSM

posted at 4:41 pm on April 1, 2013 by Allahpundit

After Kay Hagan flipped last week, Time magazine called the offices of the remaining Democratic holdouts and found no one else willing to budge. Quote:

Casey, a pro-life Catholic, did shift his position on gun control after the Newtown shooting last year, and is now under intense pressure from local gay rights activists. But when contacted by TIME, his office had nothing new to add on the topic.

That was on Wednesday, and it spurred Time to declare “the flip-flop frenzy” over. Five days later, the frenzy begins anew:

In an exclusive interview, the Pennsylvania Democrat said he had decided over time that the Defense of Marriage Act — the federal law that defines marriage as one man and one woman — should be repealed, and determined that such a belief could not be separate from the overall question of gay marriage.

“I ultimately decided that to make a decision about DOMA was making a decision about marriage equality itself,” Casey said…

Pennsylvania’s gay community flooded Casey’s office with letters and phone calls detailing their personal stories. Those accounts coupled with the shifting public opinion in support of gay marriage and what he described as the “basic civil rights and fairness” of it, convinced Casey to write a statement in support of gay marriage over the Easter holiday.

In a statement Casey said he wrote over several days, the senator asks, “If two people of the same sex fall in love and want to marry, why would our government stand in their way? At a time when many Americans lament a lack of commitment in our society between married men and women, why would we want less commitment and fewer strong marriages?”

Gay marriage is banned by statute in Pennsylvania and numerous attempts to change the law have died in the legislature over the past few years, but there as elsewhere, public opinion is changing. Depending upon which poll you read, support for SSM has increased in PA from roughly one-third of the public in the middle of the last decade to just above or just below a majority today. That’s still a gamble for any reelection-minded pol, but Casey’s no longer reelection-minded: Like Claire McCaskill, he won another term last November so now he’s free to roll the dice on this issue in the hope/expectation that voters in 2018 won’t care or will even reward him for it. The only curiosity is why he told Time “no change” last week only to announce a big switch today. Did he want the political limelight to himself? Or did gay-rights activists deliver enough calls and e-mails over the weekend that he figured maybe he shouldn’t drag his feet any longer? Liberals grudgingly tolerate him being pro-life; another social-issues heresy might have them thinking early about a primary challenge in 2018.

Alas, no one picked Casey in the last gay-marriage pool thread so there are no congrats to bestow. Only eight Democratic names left in the hat now: Joe Manchin, Mark Pryor, Heidi Heitkamp, Bill Nelson, Tim Johnson, Mary Landrieu, Joe Donnelly, and my perennial pick, Tom Carper. I’m going to switch to Nelson for the next round. If Carper hasn’t flipped already he’s probably a lost cause.


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Bob “I’m a Catholic like my father” Casey.

steebo77 on April 1, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Wouldn’t it just be easier to presume any Democrat is an automatic SSM “Yes” vote?

Just sayin’

PolAgnostic on April 1, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I rando-pick Pryor. So there.

nobar on April 1, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Bob’s Bending over.

CW on April 1, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Casey, a pro-life

Uh, LOL. All democrats are anti-traditional marriage, some are just slower, than others, to come out of the closet. But, there is no such thing as a PRO-LIFE democrat.

Pork-Chop on April 1, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I’m going with Pryor. Landrieu or Manchin wouldn’t dare given the demographics of their respective states. Mary Landrieu has whatever gay vote there is to be had because the folks in New Orleans are as stupid as they come with a fondness for Moon Landrieu who was just as corrupt as any politician in Louisiana named Long, Edwards, or Jefferson.

Happy Nomad on April 1, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Casey, a pro-life Catholic

Who’s voted several times for federal funding of abortion.

steebo77 on April 1, 2013 at 4:51 PM

If you ever get a chance to watch Bob Casey in a debate or a discussion you will be greatly unimpressed. Not much going on upstairs.
I nice guy I am sure. He’s running on his dad’s name. When he debated Rick Santorum it was embarrassing for him. He didn’t have a clue about anything… and then went on to win.

His dad was a very popular governor. People around here see the name and there you go.

JellyToast on April 1, 2013 at 4:52 PM

His father is rolling over in his grave … http://www.themediareport.com/2008/11/01/the-truth-about-gov-bob-casey-and-the-1992-dnc-convention/

littleoldlady on April 1, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I agree… Nelson is next

cmsinaz on April 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Wouldn’t it just be easier to presume any Democrat is an automatic SSM “Yes” vote?

Just sayin’

PolAgnostic on April 1, 2013 at 4:45 PM

You’re correct, but this is basically a piece of political theater designed to create the appearance of an overwhelming groundswell of support.

Doomberg on April 1, 2013 at 4:55 PM

That is some contest, which influential candidate or potential progressive model of hypocrisy will rise to the top of a stinking heap of immoral decadence to be the reprobate of the day?

fourdeucer on April 1, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Casey’s most recent rating from the National Right to Life is at 20%.

Interesting to note Lisa Murkowski is at 80.

CW on April 1, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Pro-life? Well, abortions are probably rare among same-sex marriages.

The Rogue Tomato on April 1, 2013 at 4:59 PM

“If two people of the same sex fall in love and want to marry, why would our government stand in their way?”

“If two people of the same sex three people fall in love with each other and want to marry on the group plan, why would our government stand in their way?”

Since it’s all about the love…

cicerone on April 1, 2013 at 4:59 PM

I’m going with Pryor. By the end of the week.

rbj on April 1, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Bob Casey now in favor of calling a tail a leg.

VorDaj on April 1, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Comical. This ‘one per day’ conversion is pure coincidence, of course. Not planned or coordinated in any way…

By the way, Ed – when is the Catholic Church going to publicly excommunicate or otherwise excoriate these Democrats who openly espouse positions that are contra Catholic teaching and positions? Just curious.

Getting way weary of “I’m a Catholic… *but*…”. Doesn’t reflect well on the Catholic Church that there is never a response – they seem to simply be content to let these people put a wrong face on Catholic doctrine, I don’t get it.

Midas on April 1, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Casey has become an enemy to his church.

nuff said.

workingclass artist on April 1, 2013 at 5:02 PM

AP, if you are dropping Carper, then I am picking him up.

Surprised to find he’s still in the pool, truth be told…

JohnGalt23 on April 1, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Yeah that whole meme that Casey is pro-life is just him wringing every last drop of good will out of his father’s pro-life legacy. Bob Casey, Sr. was the petitioner in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
Bob Casey, Jr. voted to federally fund Planned Parenthood.

blammm on April 1, 2013 at 5:04 PM

hey, why not Bob, afterall the election here in PA is
over…you beat Tom Smith, so no sense in honoring
what longtime Conservative Dems in PA (yes, they
still do exist) think about your stances on things.

As for me, I have a succinct statement for you

EAT SH*T AND DIE.

ToddPA on April 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I wonder what the Pennsylvania Bishops will have to say about this…

steebo77 on April 1, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Carper probably did flipped already but no one knew who he was so nobody showed up to cover his announcement. Nelson will be next for the Democrats and the next Republican will be Mark Kirk.

alchemist19 on April 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

By the way, Ed – when is the Catholic Church going to publicly excommunicate or otherwise excoriate these Democrats who openly espouse positions that are contra Catholic teaching and positions? Just curious.

Getting way weary of “I’m a Catholic… *but*…”. Doesn’t reflect well on the Catholic Church that there is never a response – they seem to simply be content to let these people put a wrong face on Catholic doctrine, I don’t get it.

Midas on April 1, 2013 at 5:01 PM

They’re at risk of official reprisal if they do, constitution or otherwise. http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/07/gibson-guitars-gets-crucified/

If Obama can do this to a private company, he’ll do it to the church.

Doomberg on April 1, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Out of this remaining group, I’m going with Nelson as well.

TarheelBen on April 1, 2013 at 5:17 PM

hey, why not Bob, afterall the election here in PA is
over…you beat Tom Smith, so no sense in honoring
what longtime Conservative Dems in PA (yes, they
still do exist) think about your stances on things.

As for me, I have a succinct statement for you

EAT SH*T AND DIE.

ToddPA on April 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM

My sentiments exactly.

His dad was a very popular governor. People around here see the name and there you go.

JellyToast on April 1, 2013 at 4:52 PM

This, too. The LIV attitude is alive and well here in PA, especially among Democrats. In addition to the name, too many of them are still mentally in the early 60s and still think the national Democrat party is like it was when JFK was president.

PatriotGal2257 on April 1, 2013 at 5:18 PM

workingclass artist on April 1, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Unfortunately, he’s been an enemy of the Church for a while now.

PatriotGal2257 on April 1, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Democratic update: Bob Casey now in favor of S&M

Might as well get it all out there. Demented sadists and masochists and sadomasochists need cheering sections, too.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM

The valueless slugs just bend with the wind.

rplat on April 1, 2013 at 5:30 PM

“Gay Air”

Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Political wind socks are just the right kind of allies not-marriage supporters need. Well, I’m convinced!

Dongemaharu on April 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Watch for an editorial reaction from the Times-Tribune in Scranton.

The family that owns the paper (along with several others in NE PA) is an old Democrat family … and VERY Catholic.

If the Lynotts throw a thumbs-down, look out.

Also, the bishop most likely to do a throwdown on Casey (Philadelphia’s Chaput) won’t have an real impact. The Scranton diocese and the Casey family are likethis.

either orr on April 1, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Allah, The Walking Dead Post, tick tock. I need my daily Eeyore.

Oil Can on April 1, 2013 at 6:04 PM

“Gay Air”
Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2013 at 5:30 PM

I was thinking more like Flaming Allah’s or Hot Blowing Air. But I think the best is “Flaming Gas”.

FYI, I still land on the site all the time.

Oil Can on April 1, 2013 at 6:28 PM

You’re correct, but this is basically a piece of political theater designed to create the appearance of an overwhelming groundswell of support.

Doomberg on April 1, 2013 at 4:55 PM


Understood …

… but since anyone with an IQ level above Liberal Democrat or room temperature (but I repeat myself) already knows all of this …

… why are WE being subjected to these tedious and pointless “updates”?

PolAgnostic on April 1, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Let’s keep a count of how many of these flip-floppers get re-elected.

jake49 on April 1, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Democratic gay-marriage pool update: Bob Casey now in favor of SSM

There goes another lemming over the ledge.

rukiddingme on April 1, 2013 at 6:33 PM

I was going to go with Nelson also, just based on home team advantage. Do we have to pick a date or just name the player? I’m going with Friday around 5 p.m. if we need to be specific.

Cindy Munford on April 1, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I swear we don’t have the temper tantrum down to a science yet. We’re doing it wrong.

Cindy Munford on April 1, 2013 at 8:07 PM

The ineffectual Bob Casey Jr. has no core, no convictions. He rode to election and re-election on daddy’s coattails and name recognition.

onlineanalyst on April 1, 2013 at 8:46 PM

You can’t trust Democrats. They willfully lie to get elected and do what they want afterwards.

WannabeAnglican on April 2, 2013 at 9:22 AM