Biden: The assault-weapons ban is “just the beginning” of our gun-control plans

posted at 11:21 am on March 29, 2013 by Allahpundit

I missed this on Wednesday but Breitbart didn’t. Why would Crazy Joe confirm the worst suspicions of gun-rights supporters by admitting that Democrats won’t stop at the AWB? It’s much harder to use an incrementalist strategy towards aggressive regulation when you’re calling attention to your incrementalism. The way to play this, as Mike Bloomberg could tell you, is to reassure the public that you’re only trying to tweak their behavior at the margins with minor infringements on freedom. If you tell the frog you’re trying to boil him, he’ll jump out of the pot.

This is, I take it, actually an admission of defeat by Biden. He knows the AWB won’t pass this year; with the GOP likely to hold the House and pick up seats in the Senate in 2014, it won’t pass before O leaves office either. If you know you’re beat, you might as well comfort your base with grandiose bluster about the golden age of gun control to come. Who knows? He might even believe it. Judging from the stories about his ludicrous presidential ambitions, he might honestly imagine himself signing a new AWB into law circa 2017. Good ol’ Joe.

By the way, note that he refers not once but twice here to assault weapons as “weapons of war.” Obama used the same term yesterday in his speech. This is, apparently, the White House’s new messaging gambit to goose support for the AWB, never mind the fact that the U.S. military’s actual weapon of war, the M16, is fully automatic. Half the battle for public opinion on this subject is confusing the public into believing AR-15s are machine guns. It’s clever, and characteristically dishonest.

Update: A clarification via a military reader: Not all versions of the M16 are fully automatic. The M16A3 has that capability, but the M16A2/A4 used by most Marines only fires up to three-shot bursts. Both weapons also have a semiautomatic mode.


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Drones are “weapons of war”.

No more commercial drones.

That includes no more Bidens.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Of course.

JellyToast on March 29, 2013 at 11:24 AM

ever mind the fact that the U.S. military’s actual weapon of war, the M16, is fully automatic.

Granted, I’ve been out of the Marine Corps for 6 years now, but the M16A2 Service Rifle that I used for five years could fire single shot or three round burst. That’s not fully automatic. Am I missing something?

Living4Him5534 on March 29, 2013 at 11:25 AM

How come the superlib VEEP can make that pointy finger “gun” gesture but any kindergartner can’t. Do you suppose the libruls practice double standards?

Old Country Boy on March 29, 2013 at 11:25 AM

confusing the public into believing AR-15s are machine guns

Sorry, but the public is already stupid enough to believe this.

We are at the point now where the left is trying to convince the public that an AR-15 can fire nuclear warheads and UV ammo like in underworld.

Gatsu on March 29, 2013 at 11:25 AM

The Second Dummy who keeps on giving.

The First one is out campaigning, with sequester, no budget, unempl./economy/finances a disaster, and the people’s house shut down to the land’s children.

Fluke them all, in very painful ways.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Most of us knew this.
Nothing surprising here.. but why would he say it publicly? It can’t possibly help there effort. Kinda strange. What am I missing?

JellyToast on March 29, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Jill needs to “fire off a couple of blasts”.

VegasRick on March 29, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Although, I suppose that most kindergartners are smarter than your average librul.

Old Country Boy on March 29, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Half the battle for public opinion on this subject is confusing the public into believing AR-15s are machine guns. It’s clever, and characteristically dishonest.

The part of the speeches by both Biden and the rat-eared devil that I keep coming back to is assurances that they have no plans for confiscating legally-owned firearms. But unspoken in that assurance is the intent to essentially outlaw all firearms gradually so that they eventually get all the guns.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Biden: The assault-weapons ban is “just the beginning” of our gun-control plans

Anybody who didn’t already know this with mortal certainty needs to turn in not only their conservative card but their self-respect card.

#War.

rrpjr on March 29, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Just the beginning? I guess Slow Joe flunked America History.

Paul Revere was riding to alert the colonists that the King’s regulars were coming to confiscate their firearms and ammo. That’s the beginning, and the war has never really stopped.

Vice President Joe BiteMe is a Tory Loyalist.

platypus on March 29, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Any politician who doesn’t respect the Bill of Rights, out!!!

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I’m trying to remember when it was that Joe served in the military. Can anybody help me here?

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 11:30 AM

EnemyEnema of the state.

Keep talking Joe.

B-Ri on March 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM

People like YOU, Joseph, are the reason we need “weapons of war”.

Cleombrotus on March 29, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Biden: The assault-weapons ban is “just the beginning” of our gun-control plans/blockquote>

Anyone who hasn’t had their brains lobotomized in a government school didn’t even need to be told this.

In order for the “Worker’s Paradise” that god-king Hussein wants to “bless” us with to be implemented, there needs to be:

A. No way for us to resist the government (which is why they want the guns).
B. No way for us to escape it.

Believe it or not, they’ll build that border fence we all want someday soon. To KEEP US IN.

wildcat72 on March 29, 2013 at 11:32 AM

By the way, note that he refers not once but twice here to assault weapons as “weapons of war.”

I am sick of the left’s Orwellian language games and the emotional imbeciles who are swayed by them.

Kataklysmic on March 29, 2013 at 11:32 AM

The only video I get is about a seal and making babies…..

Barred on March 29, 2013 at 11:33 AM

When has the left ever stopped at anything?

Since banning guns is all about protecting leftists so they can shove their agenda down our throats without worry, you can bet the goal is a total gun ban.

darwin on March 29, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Joe, could you stand on the other side of the door for me while I test my shotgun?

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Computers are weapons of war now. So are they going to limit the size of our hard drives?

Weight of Glory on March 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM

By the way, note that he refers not once but twice here to assault weapons as “weapons of war.”

Soldiers carry side arms as well. They’re also considered “weapons of war”.

darwin on March 29, 2013 at 11:35 AM

The only video I get is about a seal and making babies…..

Barred on March 29, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Consider yourself lucky. The seal is FAR more coherent than Biden.

makattak on March 29, 2013 at 11:37 AM

To paraphrase Sun Tzu, you need to know your political antagonist if you are to prevail against him—and you need to know yourself. The truth is that Barack Obama and his liberal followers have been doing very serious work over the past four years, and the same cannot be said, alas, of far too many people who oppose them.

It’s not just the comforting delusion that he’s a golf-mad dilettante, but also the reverse-negative image of that delusion—that Obama is a not-so-secret Marxist Kenyan with dictatorial ambitions and a nearly limitless appetite for power. That caricature makes it far too easy for Obama to laugh off the legitimate criticisms of the kind of political leader he really is: a conventional post-1960s left-liberal with limited interest in the private sector and the gut sense that government must and should do more, whatever “more” might mean at any given moment.

The notion that Obama is a dangerous extremist helps him, because it makes him seem reasonable and his critics foolish. It also helps those who peddle it, because it makes them notorious and helps them sell their wares. But it has done perhaps irreparable harm to the central conservative cause of the present moment—making the case that Obama’s social-democratic statism is setting the United States on a course for disaster and that his anti-exceptionalist foreign policy is setting the world on a course for nihilistic chaos. Those are serious arguments, befitting a serious antagonist. They may not sell gold coins as quickly and as well as excessive alarmism, but they have the inestimable advantage of being true.

Barack Obama is a serious man. The professional and political right needs to be as serious as he is to make sure the Age of Obama ends with him.

Obama is not, ever, nice. I told you this 1000 times, and will repeat it. That is the meme of the century.

Obama also has devastating plans, not included in this read.

See the flourishing of the Muslim Brotherhood and other brothers. Obama is their Leader. Their sharia proceeds apace.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Computers are weapons of war now. So are they going to limit the size of our hard drives?

Weight of Glory on March 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Brains are “weapons of war”.

Will they cut Biden’s out? Oh, wait….

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Paul Revere was riding to alert the colonists that the King’s regulars were coming to confiscate their firearms and ammo.

platypus on March 29, 2013 at 11:29 AM

But did they allow the gays to marry?

Seriously, just as the HHS mandate isn’t about allowing sluts to get free contraception from their Jesuit university, all this froth about gun control isn’t about public safety. This is about the government circumventing our civil rights and taking control of that much more of our very existence.

The Newtown shooting is nothing more than an opportunity for these people. They are happy to use the deaths of 20 little white kids murdered by a mentally unstable individual in an affluent suburb. They completely ignore the genocide of little black children that occur daily on the streets of places like Detroit, Newark, and Chicago.

At Lexington Green, Captain John Parker reportedly said “Stand your ground. Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here” I would suggest that those words should be repeated by any patriot in 2013 who wants to defend the Constitution from these people. And all the salvos when fired upon are not necessarily literal but it is time we told the rat-eared Kenyan devil to go to hell.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:40 AM

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice;
but when the wicked stupid rule, the people groan. Proverbs 29: 2

Cleombrotus on March 29, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Joe, could you stand on the other side of the door for me while I test my shotgun?

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM

How about getting Dick Cheney to organize a VEEP hunting weekend.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM

The common citizen should be restricted to the SAME arms that civilian law enforcement is restricted to.

Civilian law enforcement should be restricted to the SAME arms the common citizens are restricted to.
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Respond to that, mister Fog-horn Blow-hard.

listens2glenn on March 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Our God given right to self defense trumps your incessant want to take away that right and the harder you try to define what we need the more we need to defend that right.

fourdeucer on March 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM

They’ve let us know the 2014 playbook and they’re sticking to it no matter what. Guns and gays, gays and guns, non-stop between now and the 2014 midterms. They’ll keep beating the drum because they’d much rather talk about wedge issues than discuss jobs or the crushing effect of the leviathan health care law.

msmveritas on March 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM

If you look at the pictures on HA, right now, Biden points his finger in the wrong direction.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 11:44 AM

IS anyone else getting tired and just watching the walls close in and all we can do is watch it being documented and bitching about it on site threads?

And the great thing is, we’re paying for it’s construction. yah…

katy on March 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Will they cut Biden’s out? Oh, wait….

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Heh. He’s so far from “high capacity” it’s not even funny.

Weight of Glory on March 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I like how they are “weapons of war that belong on battlefields and not on America’s streets”.

Right up until cops and Federal LEO’s want them to use on America’s streets. Wonder who they’re at war with.

Spade on March 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

The common citizen should be restricted to the SAME arms that civilian law enforcement is restricted to.

Civilian law enforcement should be restricted to the SAME arms the common citizens are restricted to.

listens2glenn on March 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Just don’t try ordering at Buffalo Wild Wings if you are carrying them. Citizens and civilian law enforcement alike.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Our Founders gave us three boxes to use to keep our government in check, use in this order:

1. Soap (First Amendment) so we can speak our minds without the government interfering.

2. Ballot (guarantee of a Republic) so we can vote them OUT when they don’t listen to us.

3. Bullet (Second Amendment) so they face the threat of being FORCED out if they violate our laws and refuse to listen to the People or abide by the ballot box.

Take away the second amendment and there will be no possible consequence on violating free speech or canceling or even IGNORING elections…

That’s why the Founders put it there.

wildcat72 on March 29, 2013 at 11:49 AM

At Lexington Green, Captain John Parker reportedly said “Stand your ground. Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here” I would suggest that those words should be repeated by any patriot in 2013 who wants to defend the Constitution from these people. And all the salvos when fired upon are not necessarily literal but it is time we told the rat-eared Kenyan devil to go to hell.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Uh-huh. And where are the organized groups of armed patriots? And where are their leaders? I don’t see any, and until I do all this talk about “prying my gun from my cold dead hands” is drivel.

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 11:50 AM

The 2nd Amendment was to make sure the citizens were armed with weapons of war.

That’s what militias are for, VP Moron.

profitsbeard on March 29, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I like how they are “weapons of war that belong on battlefields and not on America’s streets”.

Right up until cops and Federal LEO’s want them to use on America’s streets. Wonder who they’re at war with.

Spade on March 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

If they want to prove they are serious about ending gun violence why don’t they start with going into our “Urban Paradises” and disarming the gang-bangers?

wildcat72 on March 29, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Ours too.

rogerb on March 29, 2013 at 11:51 AM

So my semi auto, 7 shot, 1911 pistol, a weapon of war, is going to be outlawed? But I thought…I thought…they weren’t on the ban list? What gives?

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Joe, could you stand on the other side of the door for me while I test my shotgun?

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM

.
How about getting Dick Cheney to organize a VEEP hunting weekend.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM

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I second the motion.

listens2glenn on March 29, 2013 at 11:54 AM

I like how they are “weapons of war that belong on battlefields and not on America’s streets”.

Right up until cops and Federal LEO’s want them to use on America’s streets. Wonder who they’re at war with.

Spade on March 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Exactly. If these are “weapons of war” – why is DHS buying so many? Who does DHS plan to go to war against? Hmmmmmmm?

Shoot – hollow points are actually TOO lethal to be weapons of war – they’re outlawed by the Geneva Conventions. So why does DHS need those? Hmmmmm?

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 11:54 AM

So my semi auto, 7 shot, 1911 pistol, a weapon of war, is going to be outlawed? But I thought…I thought…they weren’t on the ban list? What gives?

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Silly Rabbit…

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Uh-huh. And where are the organized groups of armed patriots? And where are their leaders? I don’t see any, and until I do all this talk about “prying my gun from my cold dead hands” is drivel.

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Nobody knew who John Parker was until that fateful day either.

What, you need to have 100 or so dudes standing still on a field somewhere to prove such people exist?

O_o

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 11:55 AM

The AWB was never the goal, ‘universal background checks’ is the Golden Ticket with this current push.

Oh, they’d LOVE it if they could’ve got the AWB, but their not really that disappointed they can’t.

They want any form of UBC, even a small one, even if they got one with no real teeth. Just something on the books they can go back to over and over to expand upon.

With each new tragedy, they’d be able to come up with more and more restriction. But they need to get that foot in the door first.

After that, it’s simply a matter of time to them.

Oh, and HiJack is a retard.

catmman on March 29, 2013 at 11:57 AM

How about getting Dick Cheney to organize a VEEP hunting weekend.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Make it a deer hunting trip this time.
None of that wimpy birdshot stuff…..

If all else fails, I want to see how many rounds it takes for SloJoe to drop a deer…..

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 11:57 AM

listens2glenn on March 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM

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Just don’t try ordering at Buffalo Wild Wings if you are carrying them. Citizens and civilian law enforcement alike.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:49 AM

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I heard about that ….. the manager later went out of his way to apologize to the Officers involved.

listens2glenn on March 29, 2013 at 11:58 AM

By the way, note that he refers not once but twice here to assault weapons as “weapons of war.”

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In the reality and intention of the Second Amendment authors,firearms are “weapons of resistance”.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 29, 2013 at 11:58 AM

So my semi auto, 7 shot, 1911 pistol, a weapon of war, is going to be outlawed? But I thought…I thought…they weren’t on the ban list? What gives?

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM

They aren’t BANNED banned.

Gatsu on March 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Why would Crazy Joe confirm the worst suspicions of gun-rights supporters by admitting that Democrats won’t stop at the AWB?

Because, as Dennis Miller so brilliantly put it “Whatever the stuffing is inside Biden’s brain makes sawdust look like caviar.”

He does not think before he speaks.

NCPatriot75 on March 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM

If they want to prove they are serious about ending gun violence why don’t they start with going into our “Urban Paradises” and disarming the gang-bangers?

wildcat72 on March 29, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Well that’s just downright racist. It’s one thing to take the guns and curtail the Second Amendment civil rights of law abiding citizens. It is another thing entirely when you suggest we disarm our urban brothers and sisters.

Seriously, Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, and Blacksburg were all examples of individuals with known mental issues doing evil. Not one thing being advocated by Stupid Joe and the rat-eared devil would have made a difference. This is about getting the guns out of private hands by using the deaths of twenty children as an opportunity.

And BTW, listen very carefully to either Stupid Joe or the rat-eared devil. We still don’t know what the bastard intends to propose for gun-grabbing legislation. We’ve got nothing but general statements and ideas when details matter.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Sultanknish had an excellent column on how the Left deconstructs language and thus deconstructs meaning. He spends some time in a discussion about the word marriage but concludes with other examples of the Orwellian abuse.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-deconstruction-of-marriage.html

onlineanalyst on March 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Granted, I’ve been out of the Marine Corps for 6 years now, but the M16A2 Service Rifle that I used for five years could fire single shot or three round burst. That’s not fully automatic. Am I missing something?

Living4Him5534 on March 29, 2013 at 11:25 AM

If it fires more than one round per one pull of the trigger, it’s fully-automatic.
Two-round MP5, 3-round M-16, 5-round Sig…all full-auto.

Solaratov on March 29, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Nobody knew who John Parker was until that fateful day either.

What, you need to have 100 or so dudes standing still on a field somewhere to prove such people exist?

O_o

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 11:55 AM

No, Bishop. I want to know where they are so I CAN JOIN THEM! There should be a network of “100 or so dudes” including members of LE and military dudes. I’d like to see actual state militias designed to protect their citizens from “outside” attack, too, except those in Illinois, California and New York would be co-opted by the criminal element instead.

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM

So my semi auto, 7 shot, 1911 pistol, a weapon of war, is going to be outlawed? But I thought…I thought…they weren’t on the ban list? What gives?

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM

My wife had no interest in having guns in the house – UNTIL the Dems started all their gun ban talk. Now she wants everything that they want to make illegal, and she just had her first handgun training class for concealed carry.

I’m having a fun ride right now – lots of new toys – not only with the wife’s approval, but darn near her insistance – anything the Dems want to ban.

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Nobody knew who John Parker was until that fateful day either.

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 11:55 AM

At a minimum, I’m guessing Mrs. Parker knew who he was. ;0

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Sorry, this may be semantics to some, but unless it keeps firing until you release the trigger or runs out of ammo, it isn’t fully automatic. A weapon that fires a burst, is not an automatic weapon.

catmman on March 29, 2013 at 12:03 PM

My wife had no interest in having guns in the house – UNTIL the Dems started all their gun ban talk. Now she wants everything that they want to make illegal, and she just had her first handgun training class for concealed carry.

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM

It’s not for nothing that gun shops have pictures of the rat-eared devil hanging on the wall. Salesman of the year for the fourth year running.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I’m having a fun ride right now – lots of new toys – not only with the wife’s approval, but darn near her insistance – anything the Dems want to ban.

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM

You are a lucky man…

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Oh, and as far as the M4 goes, you don’t necessarily get three rounds with each pull of the trigger.

Depends on how the burst cam is set on the first trigger pull. You might get one to three rounds with the first and last pull.

catmman on March 29, 2013 at 12:06 PM

This should keep the gun and ammo sales at fever pitch.

pat on March 29, 2013 at 12:06 PM

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Then you need to find them. Don’t bother looking in the want ads for “Needed: Men willing to resist when the time comes”.

Start looking, start asking around, we’re out here. Hell, I found an unofficial “gun club” simply by chatting with a dude standing next to me at the Cabelas gun counter, now I shoot regularly with these guys and we talk about things over beers and BBQ after.

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Why would Crazy Joe confirm the worst suspicions of gun-rights supporters by admitting that Democrats won’t stop at the AWB?

Because he’s an undisciplined moron. It’s hard enough for your average gun grabber to keep the mask from slipping, much less this fool. Back in the nineties, when the left thought they were winning, a lot of them revealed their true intent – including Biden:


“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.”
– U.S. Sen. Joseph Biden, then-chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, in a Nov. 18, 1993, Associated Press interview.

“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out-right ban, picking up every one of them… ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here.” Dianne Feinstein – CBS-TV’s “60 Minutes”, February 5, 1995

We’re here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true! … We’re going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy. We’re going to beat guns into submission! – Rep. Charles Schumer on NBC Nightly News Nov. 30, 1993.

There’s a lot more of them. After the Heller decision, they have to publicly admit there is an individual right to keep and bear arms. But that doesn’t mean they’ve backed down or changed their positions one bit. What frustrates me is how dense some people can be in not taking them at their word. The true intent is to render the Second Amendment meaningless, if not repeal it entirely.

That’s not paranoia, it’s the truth. Most of them know damn well that ‘assault weapons’ and high-cap mags aren’t a real problem. The only problem for the Left is that the citizenry is armed at all. Period.

RadClown on March 29, 2013 at 12:07 PM

“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.”

– Senator Joseph Biden, Associated Press, 18 November 1993

Joe “Beretta” Biden has ALWAYS been a gun-banner. He was fvcking lying when he said:

“I guarantee you Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey. Don’t buy that malarkey. They’re going to start peddling that to you. If he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.”

- VP-nominee Joe “Beretta” Biden, 2008

These lunatics may understand that they are pushing the envelope constitutionally, but I do not think they fully comprehend the fact that they are playing with fire.

“We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.”

- Ayn Rand

Come and get’emm, luv, because, as Senator Dianne Feinstein famously said, “I['m] going to take [you] out with me.”

Resist We Much on March 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM

You are a lucky man…

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM

You betcha. Also doesn’t hurt that she’s a hot-blooded redhead. Interesting mix for a librarian…..

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM

My wife had no interest in having guns in the house – UNTIL the Dems started all their gun ban talk. Now she wants everything that they want to make illegal, and she just had her first handgun training class for concealed carry.

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM

That’s uplifting, honestly. I hope it’s happening all over.

rrpjr on March 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Resist We Much on March 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Your out of context quotes to promote your out of touch ideology only works on this blog. Evidenced by last Novembers election.

HotAirLib on March 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM

“I guarantee you Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey. Don’t buy that malarkey. They’re going to start peddling that to you. If he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.”

- VP-nominee Joe “Beretta” Biden, 2008
Resist We Much on March 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM

He didn’t really lie lie. He said nobody was going to take HIS guns. He’s part of the political elite who never have to live by the rules they set for us peons.

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM

That’s uplifting, honestly. I hope it’s happening all over.

rrpjr on March 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Based on my observation it is.

DDay on March 29, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Joe, could you stand on the other side of the door for me while I test my shotgun?

HiJack on March 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM

How about getting Dick Cheney to organize a VEEP hunting weekend.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM

For 8 years the Low-IQ Democrats soiled their Pampers about Darth Cheney being a 5-time draft dodger, but in 2008 being a 5-time draft dodger was magically a qualification to be VP.

“It Burns!”

Del Dolemonte on March 29, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Your out of context quotes to promote your out of touch ideology only works on this blog. Evidenced by last Novembers election.

HotAirLib on March 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Well bless your little heart, you poor clueless little sheeple…

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Sorry, this may be semantics to some, but unless it keeps firing until you release the trigger or runs out of ammo, it isn’t fully automatic. A weapon that fires a burst, is not an automatic weapon.

catmman on March 29, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Well, you’re wrong…and the BATFE will be happy to explain it all to you. In great detail.

Anything that fires more than one shot per one trigger-pull is full auto. Opinions to the contrary are wrong.

Solaratov on March 29, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Your out of context quotes to promote your out of touch ideology only works on this blog. Evidenced by last Novembers election.

HotAirLib on March 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM

So the election was a mandate for gun control?

A massive and costly miscalculation, the type so common to Statists.

rrpjr on March 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Evidenced by last Novembers election.

HotAirLib on March 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM

In last year’s election, the Republican candidate for President won the college graduate vote.

Your incumbent pResident, on the other hand, had to increase his share of the high school dropout vote from 70% in 2008 to 80% in 2012 in order to make up the difference. ‘Nuff said.

Del Dolemonte on March 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM

“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.”

– Senator Joseph Biden, Associated Press, 18 November 1993

Rush is riffing on the way his comments about sodomite “marriage” were misrepresented but his bigger point is exactly true.

Where’s the pushback from the GOP? Democrats/liberals/commies do not give up on their agenda items. This quote from stupid Joe is nearly 20 years old and it is still on the to do list. They gleefully celebrated the the Newtown killings because nothing sells curtailing the Constitution better than a bunch of dead children. Likewise, legitimizing sodomy as a normal lifestyle choice and giving amnesty to trespassers are still part of who and what they are.

Where is the GOP pushback telling these traitors that Americans intend to keep their guns, traditional marriage, and normal paths to citizenship?

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Let me play Devil’s advocate. The second amendment calls for a “well regulated militia.” Doesn’t this mean we have the right to weapons of war?

mghirsch on March 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

HotAirLib on March 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Molon Labe, you incredible fool. YOU don’t deserve to live freely.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 12:19 PM

HotAirLib on March 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Shut up and sing Daisy, HAL.

Solaratov on March 29, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Let me play Devil’s advocate. The second amendment calls for a “well regulated militia.” Doesn’t this mean we have the right to weapons of war?

mghirsch on March 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Yes, we do. Including drones.

But we already have those here at Hot Gas, as evidenced by the one who showed up at 12:12 PM.

Del Dolemonte on March 29, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Your out of context quotes to promote your out of touch ideology only works on this blog. Evidenced by last Novembers election.

HotAirLib on March 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Feinstein’s bill was a raging success, yes?

#outoftouch

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 12:20 PM

“…with the GOP likely to hold the House and pick up seats in the Senate in 2014…”

Only slightly off-topic, but… why do people think the ‘dead party walking’, bent on destroying its base, is going to pick up seats in the Senate in 2014? Who is it they think is going to turn out in droves to vote for the party that is pissing in the base’s face?

Midas on March 29, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Let me play Devil’s advocate. The second amendment calls for a “well regulated militia.” Doesn’t this mean we have the right to weapons of war?

mghirsch on March 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Yes it does. The men at Lexington and Concord were NOT professional soldiers. They showed up for war with their own personal weapons.

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Let me play Devil’s advocate. The second amendment calls for a “well regulated militia.” Doesn’t this mean we have the right to weapons of war?

mghirsch on March 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Yep. Did it mean colonials had rights to “weapons of war” in their day and age?

Midas on March 29, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Harry Reid does everything HAL wants him to.

#outoftouch

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 12:22 PM

That’s uplifting, honestly. I hope it’s happening all over.

rrpjr on March 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM

The problem is exactly what

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM

stated, there has been such a run on every type of firearm and ammo that everything is either on backorder, allocated or sold so the entire pipeline is empty.

fourdeucer on March 29, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Also meaning what will or won’t pass congress is just the beginning, of executive orders.

Who’s stopped him so far? A couple of judges, sort of.

The democrat party, who ever is the biggest nastiest snake leads.

What does Obama have to lose?

Speakup on March 29, 2013 at 12:23 PM

katy on March 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

THIS

Cleombrotus on March 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Your out of context quotes to promote your out of touch ideology only works on this blog. Evidenced by last Novembers election.

HotAirLib on March 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM

You’ve already lost the issue, toots, even if you don’t know it.

Sooooooooo, bite me!

BTW, as a survivor of rape, I’ve already taken one for your gun control team. Never again.

9mm beats rape whistle…EVERY…BLOODY…DAY!

STOP YOUR WAR ON WOMEN, YOU BLOODY PR1CK!

Resist We Much on March 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

…because it irritates the fools.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Seriously, Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, and Blacksburg were all examples of individuals with known mental issues doing evil. Not one thing being advocated by Stupid Joe and the rat-eared devil would have made a difference. This is about getting the guns out of private hands by using the deaths of twenty children as an opportunity.

And BTW, listen very carefully to either Stupid Joe or the rat-eared devil. We still don’t know what the bastard intends to propose for gun-grabbing legislation. We’ve got nothing but general statements and ideas when details matter.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM

The prescription drug issue is also not being addressed. I wonder why?

slickwillie2001 on March 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM

so the entire pipeline is empty.

fourdeucer on March 29, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Not really. Hard to find, perhaps. Only small quantities, maybe. Depends on where you are.
The only problem I’ve had in buying new guns lately has been finding the specific ones in stock that I wanted.
With their 3 box limit per specific type per visit, it took 3 weeks for Sportsmans Warehouse to sell out of their last shipment of Tulammo 7.62×39, so I got 3 boxes every time I went in. They also did not immediately sell out of their last shipment of .40 S&W, so I was able to get 6 50 round boxes on Monday (2 different brands).

dentarthurdent on March 29, 2013 at 12:29 PM

If I recall my history right German Farmers used pitchforks to help capture allied airmen shot down. That makes pitchforks weapons of war. So we need to ban them.

Serious most any tool can be used as a weapon of war. This is another scare tactic. The only problem is that it will work on the ignorant. One of my BIL’s sent me an email during the height of the scare over AR-15′s and called it a machine gun. When I pointed out the difference between fully automatic and semiautomatic he didn’t respond back.

chemman on March 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Why the hell should I give a rat’s butt what the “admirals and generals” think about my right to bear arms? Seriously, does Biden not know that the military is subject to civilian control? It’s like he wants to transform us into a banana republic.

Fenris on March 29, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Let me play Devil’s advocate. The second amendment calls for a “well regulated militia.” Doesn’t this mean we have the right to weapons of war?

mghirsch on March 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Define “weapon of war” first.

Bishop on March 29, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Where is the GOP pushback telling these traitors that Americans intend to keep their guns, traditional marriage, and normal paths to citizenship?

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

The same place their push back on the EPA is. They use certain issues to hold on to the conservative vote. I have reached the point that I believe they would support GC if they thought they wouldn’t lose power. A pox on both the dems and pubs houses.

chemman on March 29, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Let me play Devil’s advocate. The second amendment calls for a “well regulated militia.” Doesn’t this mean we have the right to weapons of war?

mghirsch on March 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

First, no one has argued that the Second Amendment stands for the proposition that people can have any type of weapon on the planet. “Bear arms” had a specific meaning in English common law before the founding of the United States and the drafting/ratification of the Bill of Rights, namely, it referred to a firearm that could be carried easily by one individual. So, no one, except those lacking historical knowledge of the term and the reasons the Second Amendment was drafted, would conceivably argue, however implausibly, that private citizens or organisations have an unqualified right to own biological weapons or nuclear weapons. We recognise that, like the First Amendment (human sacrifice, snuff films, incitement to riot, defamation, obscene materials, threats, etc), the Second Amendment can reasonably be read not to confer the “right to bear” an armed drone or weaponised botulinum toxin.

Secondly, although the Second Amendment may seem to be the one amendment that specifically envisions some sort of regulation on its face, it is actually the opposite.

While common law has long maintained the position that “punctuation is no part of statute,” Hammock v Farmers Loan & Trust Co, 105 U.S. 77, (1881), citing references from the late 18th and early 19th century), it does help us in two ways: 1) It helps divine intent; and 2) it shows how those with agendas are willing to even change the actual punctuation of the Constitution to further their agenda. It is important to pay attention to punctuation because the version that was ratified is not actually the version frequently quoted today.

The Second Amendment, as oft-stated today:

“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

This formulation makes it appear that only those people in a “well-regulated” Militia (you’ll also notice that milita is capitalised meaning that it must be a state-sponsored “Militia” like the National Guard) have the right to keep and bear arms – a right, which shall not be infringed. With regard to “the people,” “shall not be infringed” almost becomes an afterthought in this version. But, about whom are we talking? Who would infringe upon the “right” of the people in the “Militia”?

Since it would be state-sponsored, that would have to be the Federal government. Yet, such an answer only raises another question. Why would the Framers have given the states a specific right in the Second when they intended that the states have all “powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States…reserved…by the people”? Nowhere in the Bill of Rights are the states given specific rights. Indeed, states are given no rights in the first nine whatsoever. In the first nine amendments to the Constitution- even if we ignore the Second for the sake of argument – the rights recognised belong not to a government, but to citizens or people.

Apart from being grammatically incorrect, this version simply doesn’t make any sense. Either people have a right, which shall not be infringed, or they do not.

According to both the Library of Congress and the Government Printing Office, the Second Amendment, as ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State, only had one comma and reads as follows:

“A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

“Well-regulated” modifies the word “militia.” It doesn’t apply to arms. The “right” of people to keep and bear arms “shall not be infringed.”

The Framers were giving a reason why people should have a right to bear arms, i.e., the security of a free state relied on a “well-regulated militia.” If they had wanted to do so – and, perhaps, they should have – they could have easily have dropped the modifying clause “a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state.” Now, I do understand why the states or even corporate (not necessarily in the way that the word is defined today) entities may have wanted a defined right to bear arms and have a well-regulated – meaning well-equipped, well-disciplined, well-organised – militia considering the recent history at the time of the Second Amendment’s drafting. So, the incorporation of the “well-regulated militia” clause in the amendment certainly has a solid legal and historical basis, but it has no bearing on the right of people, as individuals, to bear arms. The Tenth Amendment could certainly have protected the states’ rights to have “well-regulated militias” and the Second Amendment would have still protected the rights of “corporate entities” to bear arms, along with the assemblage protection of the First. Nevertheless, the intent of the Founders was clear, if one reads the Federalist Papers, the Anti-Federalist Papers, and the correspondence and other writings of the Framers. They intended for a free people’s natural right to bear arms to not be infringed upon by government.

The Heller decision said that “dangerous and unusual weapons which are not in the common usage” can be regulated or banned by the government. It said that there was an individual right to bear arms; the Second Amendment “extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,” (p 8); the handgun bans “amounted to a prohibition of an ENTIRE CLASS OF ‘ARMS’ that is overwhelmingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.”

Dangerous:

The AR-15 is the #1 rifle sold in the United States. It is no more dangerous than handguns. In fact, it kills FAR less. In 2011, 72.5% of all gun-related homicides were committed using handguns. In 2011, 3.8% (323) of ALL gun-related homicides in 2011 committed with rifles of ALL KINDS, INCLUDING “ASSAULT RIFLES” LIKE AR-15s.

Unusual:

There is NOTHING unusual about AR-15-style rifles…unless one is afraid of black, skeery, plastic thingies.

Don’t believe me? Then, look at the pictures of these two guns and ask yourself, “Does one really look that much more ‘dangerous, unusual and uncommon’ than the other?”

Uncommon:

Really? AR-15s are uncommon? Since when?

In 2009, it was estimated that there were 3,261,725 of AR-15s – alone, not just AR-15-style – in the United States…and the homicide rate was 5.0.

In contrast, in 1994 when the original Assault Weapons Ban went into effect, there were approximately 1.5 million AR-15s in the United States and the homicide rate was 9.0.

BTW, which military uses the type of AR-15 that Adam Lanza did? Please do not return with any variants, such as the M16, M4Mk, 12 SPR, Mk 18 CQBR, M16A2, M16A4, M4, etc. They are NOT the same.

Resist We Much on March 29, 2013 at 12:43 PM

AP: I’m sure I’m not the first to point this out, but the standard issue rifle for the US military, the M4 carbine, does not have a fully automatic function. It can fire one or three rounds for every pull of the trigger.

This is not to say that whatever the next generation of American military firearm will not be fully automatic. I know the H&K 416, the FN Herstal SCAR, and the may or may not be all the way dead XM-8, all boasted a fully automatic option in addition to semiautomatic and 3-round burst options. That being said, I believe the XM-8′s full-auto could only work in a certain configuration that allowed it to fire belt-fed ammunition, rather than from a magazine.

Sgt Steve on March 29, 2013 at 12:44 PM

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