Pssst: The super-secret GOP plan to repeal ObamaCare

posted at 12:01 pm on March 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Just remember when you read this post that I’m the resident optimist at Hot Air.  I’m the blue-sky, sunny-side-of-the-street, glass-half-full contributor to this site. And even I’m having trouble buying this:

Sitting at his desk a stone’s throw from the Senate chamber, McConnell turned to the aide and, with characteristic directness, said: “This decision is too cute. But I think we got something with this tax issue.”

He was referring to the court’s ruling that the heart of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, the so-called individual mandate that requires everyone in the country to buy health insurance or pay a penalty, was a tax. And while McConnell thought calling the mandate a tax was “a rather creative way” to uphold the law, it also opened a new front in his battle to repeal it.

McConnell, a master of byzantine Senate procedure, immediately realized that, as a tax, the individual mandate would be subject to the budget reconciliation process, which exempted it from the filibuster. In other words, McConnell had just struck upon how to repeal Obamacare with a simple majority vote.

The Kentucky Republican called a handful of top aides into his office and told them, “Figure out how to repeal this through reconciliation. I want to do this.” McConnell ordered a repeal plan ready in the event the GOP took back control of the Senate in November — ironic considering Democrats used the same process more than two years earlier in a successful, last-shot effort to muscle the reforms into law. …

But, in the next two years, Republicans are looking to bring the issue back in a big way. And they’ll start by trying to brand the law as one that costs too much and is not working as promised.

Don’t get me wrong.  I hope this works, and certainly the news this week that the White House is finally admitting that ObamaCare will jack up rates on healthy, younger people in order to subsidize rates for wealthier older Americans might provide some momentum.  And there are plenty of other arguments against ObamaCare, too, perhaps most especially these from National Journal’s analysis:

During the legislative debate over the law, Democrats promised Obamacare would create jobs, lower health care costs, and allow people to keep their current plans if they chose to. Those vows, Republicans argue, are already being broken.

The Congressional Budget Office, the Hill’s nonpartisan scorekeeper, estimated that the health care law would reduce employment by about 800,000 workers and result in about 7 million people losing their employer-sponsored health care over a decade. The CBO also estimated that Obamacare during that period would raise health care spending by roughly $580 billion.

However, those reasons have been known for years, even if not widely reported.  Worse yet, the window for repealing ObamaCare has been shifted at least four years into the future.  And as I conclude in my column for The Fiscal Times today, that may be too late:

So what do we do about this train wreck?  Can it be stopped before the inevitable crash?  At least for now, the answer is no. Investors Business Daily’s editors claimed last week that “repeal is still a viable option,” suggesting that the near-weekly doses of bad fiscal news from the PPACA would force Democrats into admitting that the system would be a disaster.  At about the same time, the Senate proved IBD wrong by voting down abudget amendment offered by Ted Cruz (R-TX) to repeal the law, on a party-line 45-54 vote.  Even if the budget amendment had passed, it would almost certainly have prompted a rare veto from President Obama, as would any attempt to defund PPACA even if the Democrat-controlled Senate somehow decided to pass such a budget.

Therein lies the problem.  Voters had the opportunity to repeal ObamaCare by essentially repealing Barack Obama himself in the 2012 election.  Instead, voters gave Obama another four years, essentially guaranteeing that ObamaCare will take effect.  Once that begins in 2014, it becomes much more difficult to roll back.  Insurers will no longer be able to offer catastrophic coverage, and employers will find that it’s either easier to pay the fines for refusing to provide comprehensive coverage – or stop providing full-time employment.

Small wonder, then, that stock prices for agencies like Manpower and Kelly have “soared,” as corporations start rethinking the cost of in-house employment with the ObamaCare overhead costs in play.  As the Washington Post points out in its article, the use of part-timers will let employers off the hook, but will force taxpayers to provide even more in subsidies than projected for those workers to buy insurance through the exchanges, which will make Obamacare’s deficits soar further still.

Even if Republicans take the White House and both chambers of Congress in 2016, it may be far too late to undo the damage.  Both the insurance markets and employment paradigms will have entirely shifted, and a repeal would not return us to status quo ante.  The disaster that follows will be President Obama’s legacy, but our continuing headache as well.

In other words, even if Republicans retake the Senate and hold the House next year, Barack Obama will still be President.  Reconciliation won’t matter, because Obama will never sign a bill that repeals ObamaCare. I’d like to be optimistic, but in this case I’m more realistic.  The last, best chance to unwind ObamaCare before it did permanent damage to the economy and wiped out better options for market-based health insurance reform was the election in November.

Update: Fixed an incomplete sentence above.


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I’d type a reply, but I’ve got to go clean the bull patties off my boots.

Wino on March 28, 2013 at 12:02 PM

The super-secret GOP plan to repeal ObamaCare

Immediately declare the USA totally bankrupt and dissolve the nation, thus making all prior contracts and national legislation null and void?

hawkeye54 on March 28, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Pssst: The super-secret GOP plan to repeal ObamaCare

Step 1: Run Mitt Romney

BacaDog on March 28, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Ehhh… Not so secret if I’m reading it here.

trigon on March 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I hope this works, and certainly the news this week that the White House is finally admitting that ObamaCare will jack up rates on healthy, younger people in order to subsidize rates for wealthier older Americans.

No, the news this week has been all about sodomite relationships and gun control. This admission isn’t even registering with the stupid parasites that adore the rat-eared devil.

Happy Nomad on March 28, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The not-so-secret plan(now that electing Mitt Romney is off the table) is to let it be implemented as scheduled. Obviously the state and local Republicans have to hold down the fort as best they can and not cave on funding or setting up exchanges, but at the federal level, just sit back and let it roll out as planned and watch the thing implode in ways even the most cynical of us never anticipated.

Then hammer the Dems over the head with it leading up to the midterms and the 2016 election. Obamacare was tough to use against them in 2012 because they frontloaded the goodies and we nominated the architect of Romneycare. From this point forward, there are no more excuses.

Doughboy on March 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

nothing more than another hill not to defend…let’s wait for the big prize at the right time and all that

DanMan on March 28, 2013 at 12:11 PM

How about we just de-fund it.
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He11 we could make a party out of defunding Obamacare.
Have a pork roast, throw confetti, Let RuPaul have his little drag race around the Congress, Have some TEA partiers over, dress up some kiddies and have them chant “free at last, you stopped stealing my money and I’m free at last,” go all over the top with it.
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That’s a party I’d go to.

LincolntheHun on March 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Obamacare was tough to use against them in 2012 because they frontloaded the goodies and we nominated the architect of Romneycare. From this point forward, there are no more excuses.

Doughboy on March 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

I think it was a bogus comparison to say that Obamacare was only Romneycare on steroids. Nevertheless, Romney did a very bad job of differentiating the two. Primarily, I think, because the differences are so deadly dull explanations of funding streams, policy mechanisms, and the like that your typical stupid parasite class voter would tune out the explanation and start thinking about what happened on last night’s episode of Honey Boo Boo.

But rat-eared-devilCare has never been popular. A fact that won’t improve once the costs start being implemented this year and next. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Happy Nomad on March 28, 2013 at 12:18 PM

That picture is perfect – the azzhole of the world

Too bad his land was stupid enough to bring/keep him. You deserve him, in full.

Schadenfreude on March 28, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Why not employ the Pelosi-Principle? Just pass something, (a bill) so huge and cumbersome—that includes the removal of O-Care—and then after Obama’s signs it into law, they’ll get around to reading it.

Rovin on March 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Aren’t Republicans for ObamaCare now? I’m having trouble keeping track of their serial caves.

steebo77 on March 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM

The last, best chance to unwind ObamaCare before it did permanent damage to the economy and wiped out better options for market-based health insurance reform was the election in November.

Ummm, no, the last best chance to unwind is comes entirely from Congressional and Constitutional procedural rules. The fact that it hasn’t been done is how you know that neither Boehner nor McConnell ever had any intent56ns 6f f5ght5ng aga5nst ba0acare and a3ways 5ntended to foist it on the American people. That best option was to simple defund it through the continuing resolution, since congress hasn’t passed an actual budget in what 5 years?

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Obama was elected by the low information millenial generation voter. They will not be exposed to the healthcare disaster until they are in their 40s. The bulk of this generation is addicted to the concept of their right to free stuff. They are ripe to fall for the illusion of “free” healthcare provided by the government. When Obamacare collapses, about a decade sooner than expected, the majority will demand free care from government. The Democrats will win the next Presidential election on the issue of free healthcare for all.

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Ehhh… Not so secret if I’m reading it here.

trigon on March 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

It is if all you do is read the NYT and watch the Daily Show!

NavyMustang on March 28, 2013 at 12:23 PM

The only way the losers, I mean republicans, would repeal it is if they replaced it with something just as bad. The Gay Old Party is just as much for big government as the dems. Even Reagan pissed on the Constitution and grew the might of Laviathan with his stupid war on drugs policies. And he’s the best we’ve had in over a 100 years

Flange on March 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM

I’d type a reply, but I’ve got to go clean the bull patties off my boots.

Wino on March 28, 2013 at 12:02 PM

I told you wear hip-waders, but what do I know?

CurtZHP on March 28, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Pssst: The super-secret GOP plan to repeal ObamaCare

Well, it ain’t a secret any more.

If it fails, we’ll have to blame Ed.

;) /

kim roy on March 28, 2013 at 12:29 PM

They can’t tie their own shoes or say “boo” to the Left and they have a “super secret plan”?

rrpjr on March 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM

It’s never too late to repeal bad law. Don’t buy into that nonsense.

Furthermore, this super secret plan is nothing more than a rallying cry to liberals to make sure they vote in the midterms.

ButterflyDragon on March 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I see the GOP is as poor at keeping secrets as they are sticking to their principles. Someone drag the idiots on the Huckabee thread over here and dare them to give one reason why SoCons should continue voting for these incompetents.

MelonCollie on March 28, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Step 1: Run Mitt Romney

BacaDog on March 28, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Let’s be honest…

Step 1: Run Any of the 2012 Candidates

amazingmets on March 28, 2013 at 12:36 PM

The exchanges WILL NOT BE FUNCTIONAL IN TIME (major players like Blue Cross are admitting they won’t even have the DATA ready until 2015). Then the millions that will be dropped due to companies dropping the massively increased insurance will result in far more people dependent on the exchanges than anybody imagined would be- and only hastily arranged ‘contingency plans’ will be functional. The complete FUBAR of Obamacare WILL be the campaign issue of 2014.

michaelo on March 28, 2013 at 12:39 PM

The last, best chance to unwind ObamaCare before it did permanent damage to the economy and wiped out better options for market-based health insurance reform was the election in November.

Thanks again to all the IDIOTS who sat out the election last year out of spite. Yet another example of how NO! electing Romney was NOT the same as reelecting Obama.

cicerone on March 28, 2013 at 12:41 PM

why SoCons should continue voting for these incompetents.

MelonCollie on March 28, 2013 at 12:34 PM

If it were simply a case of them only being incompetent then this SoCon probably could be convinced to continue to vote for them, but as it is, I have long since passed the point of accepting their action are mere incompetence rather than mendacious malfeasance.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Someone drag the idiots on the Huckabee thread over here and dare them to give one reason why SoCons should continue voting for these incompetents.

MelonCollie on March 28, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Are you suggesting the SoCons have a path of victory if they ignore economic issues? And make no mistake, healthcare is an economic issue. That’s what I’d like to hear from those idiots. Just what it is they hope to accomplish with their agenda.

Happy Nomad on March 28, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Their actual plan should have been to run a presidential candidate in 2012 who opposed and campaigned vigorously against Obamacare. Especially down the stretch in October. Instead we got Romney. So, we get to keep Obamacare. Thanks, GOP.

besser tot als rot on March 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Are you suggesting the SoCons have a path of victory if they ignore economic issues?

Happy Nomad on March 28, 2013 at 12:43 PM

1. No.
2. That’s a pretty lame connection with the GOP having all but openly declared that they will not make a stand on fiscal conservatism. All that is then left is social aspects, which are rapidly vanishing.

MelonCollie on March 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Are you suggesting the SoCons have a path of victory if they ignore economic issues? And make no mistake, healthcare is an economic issue. That’s what I’d like to hear from those idiots. Just what it is they hope to accomplish with their agenda.

Happy Nomad on March 28, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I have no idea how you inferred that. Seems to me that he is saying the exact opposite. Everyone is telling the SoCons that they have to vote for the GOP because the GOP is the great/only hope for fiscal conservatism. As this suggest, if the GOP, as currently constituted, is the only hope, there is no hope.

besser tot als rot on March 28, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Are you suggesting the SoCons have a path of victory if they ignore economic issues? And make no mistake, healthcare is an economic issue. That’s what I’d like to hear from those idiots. Just what it is they hope to accomplish with their agenda.

Happy Nomad on March 28, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Why do married couples get divorced? It’s never in the best interests of the Children. Do you honestly suggest that a wife remain with her cheating and abusive husband?

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Reconciliation won’t matter, because Obama will never sign a bill that repeals ObamaCare.

Funny how this works, but if the Congress doesn’t appropriate money for ObamaCare, there is no bill to veto.

They’ll be using reconciliation to not fund ObamaCare. And pigs might fly out of my ass.

BobMbx on March 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Reconciliation won’t matter, because Obama will never sign a bill that repeals ObamaCare.

Then let him shut the government down over it.

The Republicans need to learn to fight.

In fact, the House should have done this starting in 2010. The only reason Obamacare is still on the books is that the Republican leadership doesn’t actually want to repeal it, or the rest of Obama’s orgy of expanding government.

18-1 on March 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

What we should do is run more Sharon Angles, Christine O’Donnell’s and Todd Akins. They’re doing such a great job in the Senate standing up for true conservatism ™ that we will sure control the Senate soon enough.

cpaulus on March 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

What we should do is run more Sharon Angles, Christine O’Donnell’s and Todd Akins. They’re doing such a great job in the Senate standing up for true conservatism ™ that we will sure control the Senate soon enough.

cpaulus on March 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

they are doing just as good a job as president romney…..

chasdal on March 28, 2013 at 12:59 PM

The only reason Obamacare is still on the books is that the Republican leadership doesn’t actually want to repeal it, or the rest of Obama’s orgy of expanding government.

18-1 on March 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

BINGO… Since there hasn’t been an actual budget passed since 2008 all US Government spending has been done via “Continuing Resolutions”. All Spending “Especially Continuing Resolutions” must by constitutional law originate in the House. That means that Speaker of the House John “Bend over America” Boehner has to personally sign off on every single penny spent. Boehner could have killed Obamacare deader than a doornail if it had every been his intention by simply stripping funding for it from any “Continuing Resolutions” before allowing it to be passed.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Just remember when you read this post that I’m the resident optimist at Hot Air. I’m the blue-sky, sunny-side-of-the-street, glass-half-full contributor to this site.

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With all due respect, it is past time for you to take off your rose colored glasses and put on a grown-up, face-the-facts perspective.

the health care law would reduce employment by about 800,000 workers and result in about 7 million people losing their employer-sponsored health care over a decade. The CBO also estimated that Obamacare during that period would raise health care spending by roughly $580 billion.

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There is NOTHING new in that excerpt. It is, given the accuracy of CBO projectiosn, the BEST case scenario.

So what do we do about this train wreck? Can it be stopped before the inevitable crash? At least for now, the answer is no.

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Ahhhhh, the perennial wail of the GOPe-media! Exactly what part of your statement do you view as a “blue-sky, sunny-side-of-the-street, glass-half-full” perspective, Ed?

The “realist” side of the discussion does not belong to the RINO camp which has you as a member.

The reality is ObamaTAX is going to do the greatest amount of damage to the Americn economy EVER.

The final 2012 Q4 GDP number reported this morning was +0.37%. This will be looked back on as the “good old days”.

ObamaTAX kicks into gear at the start of 2013 Q4. Let’s review some of the immediate impacts that WILL occur:

1) Virtually everyone’s insurance premiums are going up by double digits. Employee contributions in 2014 will be large enough to cause even the most financially careless to stop and think, “Holy Crap! We’re going to have a LOT LESS take home pay starting in January.”

2) Several million households are going to be told, “Management had to make a choice between providing health insurance or changing most of you over to a part time time status. We decided the lesser of two evils was to STOP providing health care. You will need to enroll in a state exchange or find your own coverage.”

3) Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! NONE of the state exchanges will actually be “up and operating” by October. People are going to be very, very pissed off as they realize they have less than 90 days to find new health insurance. Happy Holidays from your friends the SCOAMF and the Democrats!!!

4) Actual, as opposed to reported, productivity for the Q4 2013 will be atrocious. Angry people worried about money are not going to make retailers have a Happy Holidays.

5) Congress will not have an excuse to stay in session. The House and Senate members are going to come home to “pitchfork and torches” parties in December 2013. They will not go back to Washington in a happy frame of mind – because the ones up for reelection will have heard a feral snarl from the supporters they usually count on – much less the attitude of the voters.

All in all, January 2014 kicks off the best opportunity for the outright repeal and replacement of ObamaTAX when the House and the Senate would be incentivized to come up with veto-proof majorities against its continued existince.

That’s the realistic view of the situation.

The optimisitic view is some of the MSM/GOPe-media make enough noise before October rolls around that the House and Senate members coalesce into “Repeal and Replace” veto-proof majorities to give the SCOAMF an October surprise he’ll never forget.

PolAgnostic on March 28, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I’m pretty sure we’ll have to wait until January, 2017 to fully repeal this trainwreck known as Obamacare, AKA the Unaffordable Coverage Act.

DRayRaven on March 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM

PolAgnostic on March 28, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I like the way you think Pol!!

Here’s hoping it goes down like that!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I see that the moron brigade is out it force. I wasn’t aware that the House could unilaterally repeal an act passed by Congress and signed into law by the President.

Defund it via the continuing resolution. I am sure that really smart guys like some of the critics here could have snuck that one by the Senate and the President. We oculd have shut down the government. I am sure that would have worked out to the Republicans advantage.

The Republican leadership is so stupid that they won the fiscal cliff battle with only a $600 billion sacrifice that would be felt by far more Obama voters than Republicans. Perhaps you crack political strategists would have thrown it all away in sure loser.

You guys have S.F.B

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I thought you were going to tell us it is on ‘double-secret’ probation.

I do wish action on getting rid of this were more open. I haven’t figured out how to defy the mandate yet since I need insurance and group rate through my employer is still the cheapest route. Actually my biggest concern is the death panels if something serious happens in the future.

TerryW on March 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Defund it via the continuing resolution. I am sure that really smart guys like some of the critics here could have snuck that one by the Senate and the President.
jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Do your homework before making yourself look like a fool, The Continuing Resolution do not, I REPEAT do not have to be signed by the Senate or the President. The term “Continuing” in Continuing Resolution should have been your first clue.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Heah moron. It certainly does. If you read the news you will see a story that says President signs the continuing resolution:

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/03/obama-signs-continuing-resolution-160258.html

“Better to remain silent and have people think you are fool than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Do you really think Obama reads anything he signs? If the GOP retake the Senate and keep the House, maybe they can throw it in and he will not see it.
People need to understand the mechanics of reconciliation. We were told that the Senate can push this measure because it didn’t add to the existing debt. We are finding out how much this thing will really cost. The bill doesn’t save the $1B they told us it would. It also has several revenue streams that were repealed (1099 reporting, medical devices, etc.) So, is there a way to get the bill thrown out on the merits that it shouldn’t have gone through reconciliation because it increased the budget? The GOP need to embrace the Pay as You Go law and hold Obama to his pledge of cutting the deficit in half.

djaymick on March 28, 2013 at 1:34 PM

djaymick:

Obama may not be the genius his accolytes say he is but I suspect he is got a few IQ points on you and SWalker

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:38 PM

I’m tired of all this talk of it’s the law of the land and nothing EVER will change that. That is complete BS in my opinion.

As other commentators have stated above, this is a powerfully damaging law and it was never liked by a majority of the public. What do you think actually putting it fully in effect and completely letting loose the economic damage will do to that opinion? Do you think people will just go along with it because it’s the law and it’ll be difficult to go back to prior this law? No of course not! Just look at how much trouble it is to put this law into effect, they’re not going to even meet their own deadlines – I don’t think something that is going to be more damaging every year it is in place will stop people from removing it just because. If things will get better by removing it, why wouldn’t we do that???

Oh and it’s total garbage to say the end game is Obama vetoeing any attempt to destroy Obamacare so we shouldn’t even try. Put that down on paper! Let everyone know where they stand and remind people over and over that this is in place because so and so with a Big D next to their name wants it! Hammer that home and destroy the opposition the next few elections even after you manage to destroy Obamacare. This wishy-washy garbage of playing nice while your opponents are kneecapping you is why Republicans are the Stupid Party.

Ukiah on March 28, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Mr. Obama will sign that bill if the alternative is a government shutdown.

unclesmrgol on March 28, 2013 at 1:40 PM

This bill has always been meant to “Cloward-Pivens” the healthcare system. As I said above before dealing with dumb and dumber, Obama always expected this to be a disaster. It’s just happening sooner than expected. We won’t see a repeal of Obamacare, we will get the next step — a single payer NHS system that Progressive elites admire so much. The constituency for free stuff is not the majority thanks to the milenials.

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Another idiot. Obama wanted a government shutdown. The Democrats always win those.

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:45 PM

My personal prediction is that ObamaCare won’t be ready for full implementation by 1/1/2014 and Obama will be forced to delay its implementation into 2014.

Either way, I disagree that the insurance market will be irrevocably damaged during Obamacare’s first year. While some plans will be dropped (because they don’t comply with the minimum coverage requirements), insurance carriers know how to price and offer coverages and could restore those plans easily enough in the future. And my guess is that most companies will at least TRY to comply with ObamaCare in the first year, rather than fire a ton of workers and make everyone a part-time temp.

Still, I think there is no doubt that America will suffer in 2014, and I hope we do the right thing and elect a Republican Senate majority and repeal ObamaCare first thing in 2015.

Outlander on March 28, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Should read now the majority thanks to the milinials. This blog needs a comment editor

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Heah moron. It certainly does. If you read the news you will see a story that says President signs the continuing resolution:

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/03/obama-signs-continuing-resolution-160258.html

“Better to remain silent and have people think you are fool than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM

You are failing to grasp what is being said. Continuing resolutions appropriate money. They allow money to be spent. When the Speaker of the House refuses to present the Senate or the President with a “NEW” Continuing Resolution, then spending is halted at the amount specified by the “Previous” Continuing Resolution.

Are you following so far?

Since the “Previous” Continuing Resolution has already been signed, the refusal of the Speaker of the House to present a “NEW” Continuing Resolution means that the previous Continuing Resolution remains in effect, ergo, nothing for the Senate or President to sign.

Yes, it would shut the Government down, Newt Gingrich did it to Clinton, and Clinton was forced to move dramatically to the center politically and fiscally as a result. Did it cost Newt his speaker-ship? Yes, The GOP turned on him and betrayed him over it, but ultimately yes it did. However, since Newt was more concerned about doing what was right than retaining his power, it worked out for the American people.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 1:47 PM

This bill has always been meant to “Cloward-Pivens” the healthcare system. As I said above before dealing with dumb and dumber, Obama always expected this to be a disaster. It’s just happening sooner than expected. We won’t see a repeal of Obamacare, we will get the next step — a single payer NHS system that Progressive elites admire so much. The constituency for free stuff is not the majority thanks to the milenials.

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM

No question. Actually, the Democrats’ original plan was to have Medicaid cover anyone who can’t get employer-sponsored insurance, instead of the insurance exchanges. Olympia Snowe demanded that the “public option” be removed and insurance exchanges put in its place. That probably added at least 2-3 years to the lifespan of private health insurance.

Outlander on March 28, 2013 at 1:47 PM

I suspect he is got a few IQ points on you and SWalker

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Put the crack pipe down, I’ll put my IQ up against his any day of the week. My 3.97 GPA while carrying a 30 unit per quarter load ought to suggest that it isn’t in the average liberal room temp range.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Jeeze Walker, you really are a fool. The CR is a law. It has to be signed or vetoed by the President. Were you asleep in your high school civics class or did you fail your Constitution test and never graduate?

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Jeeze Walker, you really are a fool. The CR is a law. It has to be signed or vetoed by the President. Were you asleep in your high school civics class or did you fail your Constitution test and never graduate?

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:50 PM

What part of, does not have to be signed when there is NO new continuing resolution is it that you are utterly incapable of grasping?

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Yes, it would shut the Government down, Newt Gingrich did it to Clinton, and Clinton was forced to move dramatically to the center politically and fiscally as a result. Did it cost Newt his speaker-ship? Yes, The GOP turned on him and betrayed him over it, but ultimately yes it did. However, since Newt was more concerned about doing what was right than retaining his power, it worked out for the American people.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 1:47 PM

The shutdown turned on Gingrich because of Gingrich’s ego and utter lack of message discipline. He famously went on a Sunday morning show in late 1995 and gave the distinct impression that he was shutting the government down because Clinton made him ride in the back of Air Force One on some state trip. Gingrich’s flaws were exploited by Clinton to push all the blame for the shutdown on the GOP, and that’s what hurt Gingrich.

Outlander on March 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Look dummy, NO CR signed by the President and thegovernment shuts down handing Obama a giant victory. The Democrats won big time in 1995. Clinton compromised because he wasn’t an ideologue. Obama has demonstrated that he will stick to his agenda comeh hell or high water.

You must have gone to school a podunck CC. (I’m sure you tell me you went to some Ivy League School)

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Look dummy, NO CR signed by the President and thegovernment shuts down handing Obama a giant victory. The Democrats won big time in 1995. Clinton compromised because he wasn’t an ideologue. Obama has demonstrated that he will stick to his agenda comeh hell or high water.

You must have gone to school a podunck CC. (I’m sure you tell me you went to some Ivy League School)

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Wrong answer, shutting the government does not hand Obama a victory, that is pure BS and propaganda. The democrats did not win big in 1995, in 1996 the GOP lost 8 seats in the House, not enough to change their majority in the house, and gain two seats in the Senate. Clinton retained his presidency only because the GOP ran the weakest candidate they could possibly find.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

WE’re better off without it than we are with it.

johnnyU on March 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Pssst: The super-secret GOP plan to repeal ObamaCare

Well, it’s public now, so it’s not so much of a secret, isn’t it?

Actually, the only real secret worth looking at is how a loser like Mitch McConnell got the role of majority leader. Oh, wait. I’d rather not spend hours on end bashing my face against a brick wall.

Myron Falwell on March 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Pssst: The super-secret GOP plan to repeal ObamaCare

More like: the super-secret GOP plan to pretend to repeal Obamacare while leaving it intact.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I am sure that the MSM would give a fair and objective explanation about true cause of the shutdown. They tell people how the Republicans were right about the healthcare law and Obama is just being stubborn.

Look moron, the are a couple of minor differences between then and now. There were far fewer freeloaders in 1994-6 than there are now. And the millennials were 6 years old or less. The political demographic has changed. The lowest information voters gave Obama a 30 point advantage. Romney won the over 50 vote but by not enough.

You clearly lack any analytic skills. Well your IQ is about 85 I shouldn’t expect any more

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Step 1: Go back in time 25 years and start educating the populous on personal/financial responsibility…

Step 2: Try Step 1 again or just kick back and watch Rome burn

nextgen_repub on March 28, 2013 at 2:25 PM

The Kentucky Republican called a handful of top aides into his office and told them, “Figure out how to repeal this through reconciliation. I want to do this.” McConnell ordered a repeal plan ready in the event the GOP took back control of the Senate in November — ironic considering Democrats used the same process more than two years earlier in a successful, last-shot effort to muscle the reforms into law. …

But, in the next two years, Republicans are looking to bring the issue back in a big way. And they’ll start by trying to brand the law as one that costs too much and is not working as promised.

Obamacare was passed through reconciliation by a simple majority. Logically, it can be repealed the same way. Roberts calling it a tax may give even more justification to repealing it by reconciliation, but it’s already “too cute” — to borrow a phrase — for the Democrats to pass it through reconciliation and then suddenly claim it’s not subject to reconciliation once they get their way.

Why try to find some over-clever maneuver when they can just confront the sophistry head-on? Whatever reason justified passing it through reconciliation justifies repealing it through reconciliation. It’s just that simple.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM

FLANGE: Where do u get off saying Reagan pissed on the constitution and grew government? FACT: The size and scope of government SHRANK while Reagan was in office, and he did it even with the Dems holding the house his entire 8 yrs in office. Get your facts straight next time.

Jack_Burton on March 28, 2013 at 2:32 PM

The super-secret GOP plan to repeal ObamaCare

Yeah yeah, sure. Let’s see the GOP do it first. Then maybe they’ll be worth something again.

Aitch748 on March 28, 2013 at 2:45 PM

I am not sure WHY people think that repeal is impossible in future elections. Poor service, long lines, and impossible to fill out forms are the trademarks of the federal government. I suspect that by 2015 people will have decided that Obamacare must be repealed.

Look for the Democrats to try to dump all of the blame for Obamacare’s problems on Republicans that refuse to IMPROVE their failure.

Freddy on March 28, 2013 at 2:51 PM

I like the way you think Pol!!

Here’s hoping it goes down like that!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:20 PM

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Thank you. I come from a very liberal family … but even some of them are beginning to realize ObamaTAX becoming a reality is going to be a night mare … well except for the hard-core SCOAMF butt sniffers. ;->

One of the “under the radar” things the MSM/GOPe-media haven’t taken the time to investigate:

The bulk of fire Departments are cutting the bulk of their personnel to part time status to avoid having to comply with ObamaTAX.

Instead of working for 40 hours/week for one fire department, firefighters, EMT’s and paramedics are going to HAVE to work part time for at least two different fire departments.

Part time works out to two 25 hour/week jobs with commuting time at least doubled. This means the people who do one of the most dangerous public service jobs are going to be getting progressively more “burnt out” (unintentional pun) while at the same time getting no health insurance benefits – much less a pension.

Unintended consequences of this POS rammed down the public’s throat?

1) Lower situational awareness & communication, morale and teamwork among the men & women who provide a service we CAN’T provide for ourselves. “Job hopping” is the new normal if they want to get ahead. How comfortable would you be going into a fire with someone who only showed up last week versus someone you have done it with 100 times before?

2) The new noraml is going to kill and injure more firefighters, EMT’s and paramedics because of item 1 … but what is more likely since they will not have work benefits anymore … they are going to hesitate and understandably dial back their efforts … so more civilians are going to be injured and die.

3) My son is an EMT and studying to become a Paramedic because he’s found his vocation … but the new normal thanks to ObamaTAX is going to disincentivize others from even entering the profession. Service “brownouts” have become routine since 2008 due to the depressed economy – cities, townships & municipalities have cut back.

The next time you hear a liberal using firefighters, EMT’s and paramedics as an excuse for ANYTHING … please share this information with them.

PolAgnostic on March 28, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I am not sure WHY people think that repeal is impossible in future elections. Poor service, long lines, and impossible to fill out forms are the trademarks of the federal government. I suspect that by 2015 people will have decided that Obamacare must be repealed.

Freddy on March 28, 2013 at 2:51 PM

By 2016 the Democrats will have one-party rule in everything but name, especially if the GOP continues folding on social issues since they’ve already done so on fiscal ones. THAT is why repeal will be impossible.

MelonCollie on March 28, 2013 at 3:13 PM

jerryofva: I’m perfectly find with the GOP doing the following:

1) Passing a budget in the House that funds ONLY what the GOP wants. No Obamacare, no Department of Energy, no Department of Education, none of that.

2) Openly state when they pass it that the Senate MUST pass this bill without alteration, since the House will not pass any other legislation until they do and the President signs it.

3) When the inevitable shutdown occurs, the GOP simply tells people that if the voters don’t like this, they can vote them out in the next election and/or recall those representatives susceptible to such measures to try to put into place a coalition that will pass something else.

4) Go home, and wait until the budget becomes law or the next elections happen.

Yes, it’s time for the GOP to play hardball. In fact, the above series is about the ONLY method for me to regain any trust in the GOP.

They have decided to let Obamacare become law and be funded. They deserve an equal portion of the blame for the problems it causes.

You don’t ‘play along to get along’ with people’s freedom. And you don’t run away from your own professed principles because you might lose your job.

Scott H on March 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM

The GOP wil repeal nothing. They’re happy to have a seat at the banquet, even if it means sitting at the childrens table.

bloviator on March 28, 2013 at 3:45 PM

The GOP wil repeal nothing. They’re happy to have a seat at the banquet, even if it means sitting at the childrens table.

bloviator on March 28, 2013 at 3:45 PM

And Hon-duuuh is happy in his little highchair so long as you give him plenty of beans to throw.

MelonCollie on March 28, 2013 at 3:48 PM

At this point about all the GOP can really do is offer the US electorate palliative care and false hope. There is little substantive it can do even it it really wanted to.

Why do you think Comrade O is so smug. It is too late to stop the imminent flood of socialized health care and the destruction of the private health care industry in the US. The two final last best hopes were SCOTUS and the 2012 elections.

The socialization and the nationalization of the US health care sector is well under way. The socialist social engineers are hard at work. The bureaucracy is metastasizing and growing like an aggressively malignant cancer. Little can be done to stop it unless the US electorate rebels aggressively against it at the polls and starts tossing Dems out of office by the busload. It is highly unlikely that will happen in the future when it didn’t happen in 2012.

farsighted on March 28, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Obama may not be the genius his accolytes say he is but I suspect he is got a few IQ points on you and SWalker

jerryofva on March 28, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Bullcrap. The REB’s IQ is pretty damn average, and well over half of the posters here have an IQ higher than his. That’s leaving out the liberals trolls of course.

slickwillie2001 on March 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Appreciate your self-deprecating meta humor, Ed.

Yes, if it comes from the mouth of Mitch McConnell, the living definition of the disinterested, out-of-touch Beltway establishment, take it with several thousand grains of salt.

Right Mover on March 28, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Nevertheless, Romney did a very bad job of differentiating the two.

You mean like in one of the primary debates when he told Rick Santorum that Obamacare wasn’t “worth getting angry about”?

Right Mover on March 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM

The RNC doesn’t care about the economic health of this country anymore than the commie dems. They care mainly about power and lining their pockets, just like the commie dems. Let it burn.

woodNfish on March 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM