Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on March 27, 2013 by Allahpundit

As attorney Paul Clement took to the Supreme Court to defend the Defense of Marriage Act on behalf of House Republicans, the lawmakers who hired him to do so stood silently by. It was the right thing to do, many Republican strategists say, to avoid distracting from the GOP’s core economic message.

But some members of the House Republican Conference thought their leaders should have done more to publicly stand behind an effort that is important to social conservatives.

“The silence was absolutely deafening and very disappointing to the millions of value voters that are in the party,” Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., told National Journal Daily.

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In a mostly hidden subtext of the gay marriage debate, a lot of Republicans would be thrilled with the most far-reaching court decision [on gay marriage] possible. This is the only way, they reckon, to take the issue out of an electoral arena in which it is increasingly bringing them little but grief…

One top Republican pollster, who requested anonymity in order to speak bluntly, said that Republicans will struggle to connect with many swing voters as long as they’re perceived as the party of cultural retrenchment.

“We can’t continue to fight a losing battle on gay marriage and gay rights, and if we need the Supreme Court to help in that regard, so be it,” the pollster said…

One of the reasons some Republicans hope for a pro-gay marriage ruling from the Supreme Court is that barring a judicial resolution to the issue, there’s no obvious way for the party to liberalize on gay rights without angering its most fervent rank-and-file supporters.

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Let’s be honest: If you are a conservative evangelical who believes in the biblical definition of traditional marriage then guess what? You are one of the following: An outcast, a bigot, narrow-minded, a “hater” or all of the above. It’s a different type of ridicule but it’s still ridicule.

The tables have been turned. Evangelicals are now the ugly stepchild. In our American culture today, you can easily make the argument that it is harder to stand for biblical truth than it is to be a supporter of gay marriage in today’s society…

[T]he level of vitriol by media commentators and others who support the homosexual lifestyle is just going to continue to increase and get more aggressive against Bible-believing evangelicals. That’s what happens when you become part of the minority. It’s inevitable. Just ask homosexuals about being in the minority opinion. They know the feeling. It wasn’t that long ago!

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No one with half a brain wants to be thought of as a bigot. But that’s what I and others risk as members of a distinct and irritating minority — as traditional Christians in journalism.

It is a world of language and political symbolism, a world where ideas are often framed so that they may lead to inexorable conclusions favored by the dominant culture. In this media world, I sometimes wonder whether the word “sin” has been outlawed by the high priests of journalism for fear of offending one group or another. And I’d rather not ask.

Now that the debate has been framed, if I hold to my faith and resist applauding the changes, I’m easily cast as some drooling white cartoon bigot of the Jim Crow era, denying black Americans the right to sit at a lunch counter and have a meal with the white folks…

What is also clear is that, given demographic shifts and attitudes, particularly by young people regarding sexuality and family, traditional Christianity is no longer the dominant culture.

It is the counterculture, fast becoming a minority view.

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Social conservatives are greatly outnumbered (a byproduct of having lost the culture war argument). We hear a lot about the supposed “three-legged-stool” of the conservative movement, but in fighting the culture war, social conservatives are on their own. In fact, it’s wrong to think of this in terms of a left versus right paradigm. It would be better understood as part of the continuing struggle between virtue (as social conservatives define it) and liberty (defined by our modern secular society to mean the freedom to do whatever we want). In that light, liberty is murdering virtue…

Of course, there has always been a tension between virtue and liberty. But at some point, America ceased emphasizing community values and began valuing extreme individualism. More and more, Americans — including many conservatives — now believe that individuals should do whatever they want so long as it isn’t hurting anybody else.

But the cultural conservative says that there is a “tragedy of the commons” problem with this — that the “if it feels right, do it” mentality will eventually hurt society collectively.

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Yet one gets the sense that, at root, the same-sex marriage project isn’t even really about opposition to the family as it is currently conceived—no matter how outmoded and bourgeois it may be. No, the family is just necessary collateral damage in the real struggle for sexual liberation. I suspect that, to the left, arguments about contraceptives, abortion, and gay marriage are really all about the same thing: the idea that sexual behavior must not be discriminated against, by anyone, in any sense. There must be no adverse outcomes; there must be no distinctions made; and any form of disapproval is tantamount to discrimination. Other freedoms—of speech, of liberty, of thought—may be, to some extent, negotiable. But for the left, sexual freedom is a paramount freedom.

The opponents of same-sex marriage, on the other hand, are just as deeply invested in a different freedom—religious freedom. Because they recognize that the same-sex marriage project is headed directly for conflict with religious organizations. Chai Feldblum is a thoughtful and honest proponent of same-sex marriage who serves on President Obama’s EEOC and was, before that, a professor at Georgetown Law School. Here’s Feldblum explaining the inevitable conflict between gay marriage and religious freedom to Maggie Gallagher a few years ago…

“To Feldblum the emerging conflicts between free exercise of religion and sexual liberty are real: ‘When we pass a law that says you may not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, we are burdening those who have an alternative moral assessment of gay men and lesbians.’ Most of the time, the need to protect the dignity of gay people will justify burdening religious belief, she argues. But that does not make it right to pretend these burdens do not exist in the first place, or that the religious people the law is burdening don’t matter.”

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Christians should, starting yesterday, work on a new front. While we should not stop the fight to preserve marriage, and we may be willing to compromise on civil unions, we must start fighting now for protections for religious objectors to gay marriage.

Churches, businesses, and individuals who refuse to accept gay marriage as a legitimate institution must be protected as best we can. Those protections will eventually crumble as the secular world increasingly fights the world of God, but we should institute those protections now and pray they last as long as possible.

The left cannot allow Christians to continue to preach the full gospel. We already see this in, of all places, Canada. Gay marriage is incompatible with a religion that preaches that the unrepentant are condemned, even of a sin the world has decided is not one. The religious freedom will eventually be ended through the judiciary. We should work to extend that freedom as long as we can.

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When former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean began campaigning for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination, he would regularly say in his stump speech, “I am tired of fighting elections on guns, God and gays. We’re going to fight this election on our turf, which is going to be jobs, education and health care.”

Fast-forward 10 years to the third month of President Obama’s second term. Suddenly, the Democrats’ turf doesn’t look so friendly anymore. It’s not hard to see why they’re changing gears to fight a culture war of their own choosing…

Unless the economy markedly improves in the near future, or Obamacare is miraculously implemented without a hitch, expect Obama and the White House to turn the 2014 election into an all-out culture war centered around gun control and gay marriage. This is the only turf that appears remotely friendly to them these days.

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Via MRC TV.

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You do make a point..Jayne was definitely full figured..:):)

Dire Straits on March 28, 2013 at 2:57 AM

You mean she had big knockers?
Or do you mean she had big bazooms?
Or do you mean she had humongous tats?
Or do you mean she had a set of jugs that would not quit?

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:00 AM

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 2:58 AM

You are a genius!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:00 AM

Isn’t it funny how you can open a tab at a bar and you can also open a tab on a menu bar.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 2:58 AM

The former are usually more interesting.

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 2:59 AM

Yep. I makin’ up for lost time. And even if I wasn’t makin up for lost time that does not change the fact that I’m making up for lost time.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM

It’s called “the floodgates,” alchemist. They haven’t opened yet, but give them time; they’re used to waiting.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 2:51 AM

Oh, the flood gates are already open, that’s why I pointed out the Dr. Neal Clark Warren issue. The eHarmony and New Jersey Pavilion cases were the set up. First establish precedence, lay the groundwork, then go after the case you want. The key is that both cases were against Christian organizations, filed on discrimination grounds for refusing to engage in services that offended the religious theological sensibilities of the individuals in question. Furthermore, those were not the only cases, their are plenty of others.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 2:54 AM

Let’s get one thing straight, Spark:

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM

Well now look at that I turned da page to 8! We haven’t been ‘here’ in a while! :-)

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 2:56 AM

Wait— you mean when you’re bold it retreats, but when you step back, it sneers?

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:02 AM

Well now look at that I turned da page to 8! We haven’t been ‘here’ in a while! :-)

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM

I make a comment and click and suddenly I’m half a dozen down on a new page!

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:03 AM

Isn’t it funny how you can open a tab at a bar and you can also open a tab on a menu bar.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 2:58 AM

The former are usually more interesting.

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM

Speaking of which….

*reaches into cabinet, pulls Glenmorangie bottle and pours a double neat with no ice*

It’s about that time of night.

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:04 AM

Oh my The Rolling Stones are gonna play at Glastonbury in June!! Sold out, over 138k will attend!!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:04 AM

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:03 AM

Sparky can explain that! Strange how that happens lol…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:05 AM

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:03 AM

I know. Its tough to get a word in edgewise so I stopped using words that have edges.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:05 AM

You sound more libertarian-leaning conservative, if I may be so bold.

John the Libertarian on March 28, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Yes. Of a sort.

I’m a Liberal’s worst nightmare really: Under 30, female, Conservative (with Libertarian leanings) educated (graduate degree), Pro-Life, Pro-SSM (or some variation of it), believer in the Tea Party, supporter of Palin.

Worst nightmare for Liberals.

Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Please. Liberals aren’t scared of somebody who’s ready to surrender, or afraid to take an unpopular position.

If you really want to see the liberals worst nightmare, study Phyllis Schlafly. The ERA was on an absolutely unstoppable roll to becoming a Constitutional amendment — and Schlafly stopped it. Not by herself, of course, but her influence was huge.

There is power in standing on principle. Martin Luther King won his fight largely because people agreed with him on principle.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 3:05 AM

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:04 AM

*clink*

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:06 AM

Yikes! It’s 3AM? Gotta get some shut eye.

G’night, folks. It’s been real.

Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 3:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHVeyo4W18U

To honor the Rolling Stones…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Sparky can explain that! Strange how that happens lol…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:05 AM

Oh, so Sparky causes that!

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Good night and God Bless!!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Cut her some slack Walker. She’s already pretty deformed. You don’t have to call her old too.

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 2:53 AM

That’s it! Remember when Janet Reno Billy-Cyrus-Achy-Breaky-Hearted the Branch Davidians to death (and KSM thought he had it bad being waterboarded!!!)???

Well, Mr (Racist) Peanut-Man, I’m going to lock you in an unpadded compound and blast this 24/7:

Jimmy Carter Saved the Day

By The Mould Monkeys

We were lost
Together apart
Couldn’t find
The lust in our heart

“I can help,”
He said with a grin
“Soon you’ll have
inflation again”

We never know all the right things to say
We made our own bolt of lightning
When Jimmy Carter saved the day

“Certain parts
can go on the fritz
Try this pill
It goes in your grits”

We never know all the right things to say
We got the urge, and it’s frightening
‘Cause Jimmy Carter saved the day

He worked hard
with peanuts for pay
Now we’re primed
To roll in the hay

If your love
Is lost in a daze
Call the prez
He’ll fix your malaise

We never know all the right things to say
We made our own bolt of lightning
When Jimmy Carter saved the day

It’s okay
It’s okay
It’s okay
And the south, and the south, and the south, and the south,
And the south will rise again

Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 3:08 AM

Some people can make threads unravel and then they end up all over the place but somehow stay in chronological order.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:08 AM

Wait— you mean when you’re bold it retreats, but when you step back, it sneers?

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:02 AM

:)

But it’s one thing to read about these things, INC. It’s another thing entirely to be viscerally taken aback by a sense of violence that seems to just flood out of nowhere.

Some of the darker moments in history — How could they x — I get now. It’s that. Whatever, exactly, that is. It has its teeth clenched and would tread over the little girl on the corner without caring in a second (Hyde. Stevenson knew this too. It always struck me as pretty mild as an example of evil — my TV goes beyond it all the time — but Stevenson was trying to get this same thing across.)

Look, I’m in progress over here. :)

Probably die naive . . .

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:09 AM

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:07 AM

He has a way with words that explain everything !!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:10 AM

*clink*

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:06 AM

I’m swearing off arguing after midnight. Cheers, sir.

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:10 AM

In this month, over a 100 years ago, Julius Caesar was assassinated.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:11 AM

Some people can make threads unravel and then they end up all over the place but somehow stay in chronological order.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:08 AM

There you go INC!! Explained!!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:11 AM

In this month, over a 100 years ago, Julius Caesar was assassinated.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:11 AM

Actually, he just slipped on wet marble …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 28, 2013 at 3:12 AM

*reaches into cabinet, pulls Glenmorangie bottle and pours a double neat with no ice*

It’s about that time of night.

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:04 AM

Enjoy your glemmorage. :)

G’night, folks. It’s been real.

Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Night!

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:13 AM

In this month, over a 100 years ago, Julius Caesar was assassinated.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:11 AM

Hmmm, assassinated is such a strong and accusatory word… O_O

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:13 AM

Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 2:58 AM

When they filmed the opening scene of ‘The Girl Can’t Help It’ and men got a load of Jayne in that blue suit, it created not only a sensation, but it propelled a shift in fashion and women began to try to recreate that look. :)

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:16 AM

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:13 AM

Contherosy spiratist.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:17 AM

Contherosy spiratist.
SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:17 AM

Stealing that!! ;-D

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:18 AM

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM

Are you going to be ‘crystal clear’?

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:19 AM

If you don’t study history you are doomed to repeat it.

How I know!

I had to repeat 8th grade because I didn’t study history.,

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:19 AM

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:19 AM

Ever Clear maybe? lol

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:20 AM

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:13 AM

Contherosy spiratist.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:17 AM

As long as I don’t have to wear a “Fabulous” hat… O_O

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:20 AM

I know. Its tough to get a word in edgewise so I stopped using words that have edges.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:05 AM

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:07 AM

He has a way with words that explain everything !!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:10 AM

Ha ha. Yeah, I noticed!

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67BnSw1VtDY

There’s a song for that!! Ever Clear…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:21 AM

In this month, over a 100 years ago, Julius Caesar was assassinated.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:11 AM

44 BC was over 100 years ago…but just slightly. The dinosaurs became extinct over 100 years ago, too…but just a little less slightly. lol

I wuvs chu, Sparky..and chu, Dire…and chu, Gramps SWalker…and chu, Axe…and chu, Scrumps…and chu, Ken…and chu, Jackie…and chu, everyone else.

Nitey-Nite!

Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 3:21 AM

. . . but outside of some major accident, at least my eyes won’t be in my mouth, and even if they are, I probably won’t be pouty and wearing bright red lipstick.

I mean, unless it’s Saturday.

Or a special occasion.

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:22 AM

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:21 AM

Well I’m just very spambitious.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:23 AM

Previous was a bad copy try this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okP-sbPJVcY

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:23 AM

Are you going to be ‘crystal clear’?

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:19 AM

Typed it; erased it. :) It’s set aside.

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:23 AM

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 2:58 AM

LOL! I fell down a rabbit hole on that one… and before I knew it I was all the way to Bringin’ On The Heartbreak – Def Leppard :)

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:24 AM

The cretaceous extinction occurred over 100 years ago and involved a lot of dying.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Nitey-Nite!

Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 3:21 AM

*looks at mouth*

Night Resist!

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 3:21 AM

God Bless ya!! Goodnight Sophie!! Love u chu!!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Some people can make threads unravel and then they end up all over the place but somehow stay in chronological order.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:08 AM

There you go INC!! Explained!!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:11 AM

:)

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:25 AM

The cretaceous extinction occurred over 100 years ago and involved a lot of dying.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Stop being so judgmental.

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:25 AM

Bye RWM!

INC on March 28, 2013 at 3:25 AM

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:23 AM

LOL! I do that frequently! Glad to know someone else has the quirk. :)

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:26 AM

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 2:31 AM

It’s the same issue as Obamacare. Trying to wall up Christians inside a building and say that’s the “church”, and that the things Christians do in their businesses, and the activities and things churches sponsor and support don’t count as an official “church” so they can’t live according to their beliefs outside said designated four walls.

INC on March 28, 2013 at 2:39 AM

Bingo. Sure, they believe in religious freedom. But only within the four walls of a church. Let the church have a ministry to teach or to do charity, or to try to convert anyone, and they think religious freedom disappears.

Even churches in the old Soviet Union had that much freedom. Closet totalitarians put the government above everyone else, and that includes the churches. And the proof of that is that they want the government to redefine marriage.

SSM is not just BIG government. It is UNLIMITED government. The toehold of totalitarianism.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 3:26 AM

Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 3:21 AM

Goodnight, RWM! Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:27 AM

Math class for liberals:

Some numbers are larger than others. Its not fair. We need to raise awareness of the plight of the small numbers who are routinely exploited by larger numbers. With the right type of activism we can make all numbers equal, say around 7 or so.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:28 AM

The cretaceous extinction occurred over 100 years ago and involved a lot of dying.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Well, truthfully, in the grand scheme that includes the entire Universe, it involved “Some” dying, perhaps not all that much dying, except from a local dying perspective. But otherwise, not a terribly large amount of dying. Though, some dying was definitely involved. O_O

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:28 AM

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Are you listening to Coast to Coast perchance?

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:29 AM

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:29 AM

Nope. What are they talking about? Chemtrails caused by swooshing?

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:30 AM

Eyes Without A Face

lol

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:31 AM

Some numbers are larger than others. Its not fair. We need to raise awareness of the plight of the small numbers who are routinely exploited by larger numbers. With the right type of activism we can make all numbers equal, say around 7 or so.
SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:28 AM

I tried that in math class, understood the small numbers, but the bigger numbers were bullies and I lost :-(

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:31 AM

Before live evolved on Earth there were many extinction events that did not involve much dying.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:31 AM

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:30 AM

A Geologist talking about extinction and how long we been here

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:32 AM

LOL! I do that frequently! Glad to know someone else has the quirk. :)

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:26 AM

:) Bet it’s common. Tempted to say it’s writerly, but I bet it isn’t.

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:32 AM

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:32 AM

That’s funny. A synchronicity thingy. (:

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:33 AM

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:33 AM

Anything is plausable :-)

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:34 AM

How come I am not sleepy?

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:34 AM

Time for me to revert to pumpkin status… Good night everyone.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:35 AM

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:35 AM

Good Night and God Bless!!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:37 AM

How come I am not sleepy?

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:34 AM

Is your glass empty? If so then refill it. You’ll either get sleepy or you won’t care if you are or not.

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:37 AM

SWalker’s brain has just left the building.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:37 AM

The cretaceous extinction occurred over 100 years ago and involved a lot of dying.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Well, truthfully, in the grand scheme that includes the entire Universe, it involved “Some” dying, perhaps not all that much dying, except from a local dying perspective. But otherwise, not a terribly large amount of dying. Though, some dying was definitely involved. O_O

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:28 AM

That’s ridiculous. All the dying occurred. You’re just trying to couch it in libtard relativism.

This blog used to be a bastion of Conservatism. I’m embarrassed I ever defended it by risking my family in the wars required to defend it. It’s obviously just a land of jolly green giants, with sinewy calves and really cute tunics woven from –

O NO

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:37 AM

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:37 AM

if I could I would!! might help eh ;-)

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:37 AM

This is the kind of thing that makes me stop and ask myself the age-old question:

Is he really gullible enough to believe this, or is he just hoping that I’M that gullible?

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 2:19 AM

What’s your evidence to support that belief? The Methodist Pavilion example was a golden opportunity for a judge to force a church to allow use of their outdoor boardwalk (not even the church itself!) for a gay marriage ceremony and it didn’t happen.

Do you think there’s like a big secret conspiracy amongst liberal judges everywhere who are just chomping at the bit to make churches perform gay marriage ceremonies but they’re all holding back until a Supreme Court ruling comes down that legalizes gay marriage everywhere?

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Nice little straw man, but irrelevant. The Methodist Pavilion was a church. They acted like a church. They were sued for not being respectful of homosexuals who wanted to pretend they were getting married. They lost their tax exemption that a church would normally enjoy because they wouldn’t perform an abominable ceremony that was against their religion.

Still not clear if you’re so gullible that you just rationalize all this away, or if you’re just hoping to convince the gullible. But you lost the argument when you tried to claim a church was not being denied the free exercise of their religion for refusing to do what they believed was disobedience to God. I a church can be forced to condone sin, then they don’t have religious freedom at all.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 3:38 AM

Dying is realative to life

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:39 AM

Lets face it, there was a boat load of dying, bigger than an arc.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:39 AM

How come I am not sleepy?

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:34 AM

Difficult for the mind to fatigue in the presence of brilliant stimulation of this magnitude, Scrump.

*sniff*

Not your fault.

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:39 AM

If dying is like sleeping without dreaming, than I hope I don’t wake up in case I haven’t been as good as I thought and I won’t know I am not living cuz I am sleeping!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:42 AM

Most fossils were formed over 100 years ago.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:42 AM

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:39 AM

Great minds awaken my own ’tis true…

Not enough stimulii in the daylight hrs…

Perhaps I am turning?

I am vampyre hear me squeak?

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:43 AM

Time for me to revert to pumpkin status… Good night everyone.

SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 3:35 AM

Also g’night, SWalker.

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:44 AM

Uh oh now they are talking nukes…

Indians from India invented nukes according to Sanskrit…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:45 AM

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 3:38 AM

I’m partway through a double Scotch and I’m not going to dampen the good mood that fine whisky puts me in; we can continue the argument some other time if you like but not tonight. I think we argued it to its end anyway. You think something’s going to happen, I think it’s not, neither of us can prove it (I would be tasked with proving a negative to boot) so there’s really nothing we can do but shout at each other at this point so pour yourself a glass of something tasty and put your feet up. :-)

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:45 AM

If dying is like sleeping without dreaming, than I hope I don’t wake up in case I haven’t been as good as I thought and I won’t know I am not living cuz I am sleeping!

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:42 AM

:) Consider putting your faith in something other than your good deeds, and sleep well. When the time comes. In the meantime, here’s your sword.

Perhaps I am turning?

I am vampyre hear me squeak?

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:43 AM

lol

*sigh*

SparkPlug must be stopped.

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:46 AM

Bah. Keep losing Jackie.

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:47 AM

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:42 AM

Some philosophers ( and a couple of very well regarded religions) have posited that we are, in fact, dreaming now. That our life is ‘but a dream’.

The Hindu suggest that this dream is that of a great god, who dreams us for his own amusement…that all that we think of as reality is really ‘maya’… in sanscrit it means ‘illusion’ or ‘dream’.

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:47 AM

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:46 AM

Rational irrational thoughts often occur after midnight…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:47 AM

I was walking my dog. Sorry. But I’m back now.

I was contemplating what Scrumpy said about dreaming while I walked the dog and looking up at the moon and the thin, flat clouds that were drifting across its face.

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:50 AM

Who does Midwestprincesse remind you of? Anyone?

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:50 AM

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:47 AM

Hmmmmmmmmm we are in a matrix…

Ancient beliefsand myths can be more real than reality…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:51 AM

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:50 AM

The moon certainly has been lovely this last couple nights…

Is it still mild where you are? My windows are open..

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:52 AM

The Flame – Cheap Trick

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:52 AM

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:47 AM

Sounds like the “brain in a vat” problem.

SparkPlug on March 28, 2013 at 3:53 AM

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:50 AM

The moon certainly has been lovely this last couple nights…

Is it still mild where you are? My windows are open..

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:52 AM

Hmm . . .

brb

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:54 AM

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:50 AM

A confused young woman… Who only peers at the surface and see’s ripples, but does not see the maelstrom beneath…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:54 AM

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:52 AM

It’s a little chilly to have the windows open. It’s nice when I go out for a few minutes with the dogs, though. :)

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:54 AM

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 3:38 AM

I’m partway through a double Scotch and I’m not going to dampen the good mood that fine whisky puts me in; we can continue the argument some other time if you like but not tonight. I think we argued it to its end anyway. You think something’s going to happen, I think it’s not, neither of us can prove it (I would be tasked with proving a negative to boot) so there’s really nothing we can do but shout at each other at this point so pour yourself a glass of something tasty and put your feet up. :-)

alchemist19 on March 28, 2013 at 3:45 AM

Can’t handle your whiskey, huh?

Just kidding. I’m crawling into bed at the next opportunity, anyway.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 3:55 AM

Axe on March 28, 2013 at 3:50 AM

“Minnesoter”?

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:56 AM

As I stepped out and peered up to my left and gazed at the moon there is a bright star on the left of the moon… no wispy clouds… stars brightly twinkling…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:58 AM

Never Tear Us Apart – INXS

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 3:58 AM

only one open a little now… no breeze…

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:59 AM

Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 3:58 AM

Yes, the clouds are clearing. You know how fast they move here. It is a lovely night sky. :)

thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM

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