Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on March 27, 2013 by Allahpundit

As attorney Paul Clement took to the Supreme Court to defend the Defense of Marriage Act on behalf of House Republicans, the lawmakers who hired him to do so stood silently by. It was the right thing to do, many Republican strategists say, to avoid distracting from the GOP’s core economic message.

But some members of the House Republican Conference thought their leaders should have done more to publicly stand behind an effort that is important to social conservatives.

“The silence was absolutely deafening and very disappointing to the millions of value voters that are in the party,” Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., told National Journal Daily.

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In a mostly hidden subtext of the gay marriage debate, a lot of Republicans would be thrilled with the most far-reaching court decision [on gay marriage] possible. This is the only way, they reckon, to take the issue out of an electoral arena in which it is increasingly bringing them little but grief…

One top Republican pollster, who requested anonymity in order to speak bluntly, said that Republicans will struggle to connect with many swing voters as long as they’re perceived as the party of cultural retrenchment.

“We can’t continue to fight a losing battle on gay marriage and gay rights, and if we need the Supreme Court to help in that regard, so be it,” the pollster said…

One of the reasons some Republicans hope for a pro-gay marriage ruling from the Supreme Court is that barring a judicial resolution to the issue, there’s no obvious way for the party to liberalize on gay rights without angering its most fervent rank-and-file supporters.

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Let’s be honest: If you are a conservative evangelical who believes in the biblical definition of traditional marriage then guess what? You are one of the following: An outcast, a bigot, narrow-minded, a “hater” or all of the above. It’s a different type of ridicule but it’s still ridicule.

The tables have been turned. Evangelicals are now the ugly stepchild. In our American culture today, you can easily make the argument that it is harder to stand for biblical truth than it is to be a supporter of gay marriage in today’s society…

[T]he level of vitriol by media commentators and others who support the homosexual lifestyle is just going to continue to increase and get more aggressive against Bible-believing evangelicals. That’s what happens when you become part of the minority. It’s inevitable. Just ask homosexuals about being in the minority opinion. They know the feeling. It wasn’t that long ago!

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No one with half a brain wants to be thought of as a bigot. But that’s what I and others risk as members of a distinct and irritating minority — as traditional Christians in journalism.

It is a world of language and political symbolism, a world where ideas are often framed so that they may lead to inexorable conclusions favored by the dominant culture. In this media world, I sometimes wonder whether the word “sin” has been outlawed by the high priests of journalism for fear of offending one group or another. And I’d rather not ask.

Now that the debate has been framed, if I hold to my faith and resist applauding the changes, I’m easily cast as some drooling white cartoon bigot of the Jim Crow era, denying black Americans the right to sit at a lunch counter and have a meal with the white folks…

What is also clear is that, given demographic shifts and attitudes, particularly by young people regarding sexuality and family, traditional Christianity is no longer the dominant culture.

It is the counterculture, fast becoming a minority view.

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Social conservatives are greatly outnumbered (a byproduct of having lost the culture war argument). We hear a lot about the supposed “three-legged-stool” of the conservative movement, but in fighting the culture war, social conservatives are on their own. In fact, it’s wrong to think of this in terms of a left versus right paradigm. It would be better understood as part of the continuing struggle between virtue (as social conservatives define it) and liberty (defined by our modern secular society to mean the freedom to do whatever we want). In that light, liberty is murdering virtue…

Of course, there has always been a tension between virtue and liberty. But at some point, America ceased emphasizing community values and began valuing extreme individualism. More and more, Americans — including many conservatives — now believe that individuals should do whatever they want so long as it isn’t hurting anybody else.

But the cultural conservative says that there is a “tragedy of the commons” problem with this — that the “if it feels right, do it” mentality will eventually hurt society collectively.

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Yet one gets the sense that, at root, the same-sex marriage project isn’t even really about opposition to the family as it is currently conceived—no matter how outmoded and bourgeois it may be. No, the family is just necessary collateral damage in the real struggle for sexual liberation. I suspect that, to the left, arguments about contraceptives, abortion, and gay marriage are really all about the same thing: the idea that sexual behavior must not be discriminated against, by anyone, in any sense. There must be no adverse outcomes; there must be no distinctions made; and any form of disapproval is tantamount to discrimination. Other freedoms—of speech, of liberty, of thought—may be, to some extent, negotiable. But for the left, sexual freedom is a paramount freedom.

The opponents of same-sex marriage, on the other hand, are just as deeply invested in a different freedom—religious freedom. Because they recognize that the same-sex marriage project is headed directly for conflict with religious organizations. Chai Feldblum is a thoughtful and honest proponent of same-sex marriage who serves on President Obama’s EEOC and was, before that, a professor at Georgetown Law School. Here’s Feldblum explaining the inevitable conflict between gay marriage and religious freedom to Maggie Gallagher a few years ago…

“To Feldblum the emerging conflicts between free exercise of religion and sexual liberty are real: ‘When we pass a law that says you may not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, we are burdening those who have an alternative moral assessment of gay men and lesbians.’ Most of the time, the need to protect the dignity of gay people will justify burdening religious belief, she argues. But that does not make it right to pretend these burdens do not exist in the first place, or that the religious people the law is burdening don’t matter.”

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Christians should, starting yesterday, work on a new front. While we should not stop the fight to preserve marriage, and we may be willing to compromise on civil unions, we must start fighting now for protections for religious objectors to gay marriage.

Churches, businesses, and individuals who refuse to accept gay marriage as a legitimate institution must be protected as best we can. Those protections will eventually crumble as the secular world increasingly fights the world of God, but we should institute those protections now and pray they last as long as possible.

The left cannot allow Christians to continue to preach the full gospel. We already see this in, of all places, Canada. Gay marriage is incompatible with a religion that preaches that the unrepentant are condemned, even of a sin the world has decided is not one. The religious freedom will eventually be ended through the judiciary. We should work to extend that freedom as long as we can.

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When former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean began campaigning for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination, he would regularly say in his stump speech, “I am tired of fighting elections on guns, God and gays. We’re going to fight this election on our turf, which is going to be jobs, education and health care.”

Fast-forward 10 years to the third month of President Obama’s second term. Suddenly, the Democrats’ turf doesn’t look so friendly anymore. It’s not hard to see why they’re changing gears to fight a culture war of their own choosing…

Unless the economy markedly improves in the near future, or Obamacare is miraculously implemented without a hitch, expect Obama and the White House to turn the 2014 election into an all-out culture war centered around gun control and gay marriage. This is the only turf that appears remotely friendly to them these days.

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Via MRC TV.

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Bishopness.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Ghey…again…

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Hello?

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Are we gay yet?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Early QOTD.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:03 PM

It must be Friday..

What??

Electrongod on March 27, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Are we Evangelicals yet?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Quote Gay Of The Day

Electrongod on March 27, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Are we somewhere in between?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Are we gay yet?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:02 PM

I don’t know. We talk about it a lot.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Or somewhere off in a galaxy not so very far from here?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Are we gay yet?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:02 PM

“Not that there’s anything wrong with that”.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Early call time, again.

Good Night All.

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:07 PM

It seems to me that the Left has now got the winning formula to get anything and everything they want. The Right is more interested what is said about them than in what is right, call them negative names and they fold like a cheap suit. Gay marriage may not be the end but it is probably the tipping point.

Cindy Munford on March 27, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Yeah another gay thread, because we haven’t screwed this donkey enough..

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Good night B.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Night bmore

tom daschle concerned on March 27, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Is this thread about Mr. Giffords trying to straw purchase an AR15?

What do you mean gay? What?

Bishop on March 27, 2013 at 10:10 PM

If CA won’t recognize my 2nd amendment rights which are in the Constutution, why should I recognize their SSM BS which is disavoweled in their very own States Constitution?

wolly4321 on March 27, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Are we gay yet?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Would you marry me big fella?

arnold ziffel on March 27, 2013 at 10:11 PM

I stopped watching Suzie Orman years ago when her bias against men became blatant (and bizarre). It was then that I realized she’s a lesbian before she ever made it public.

SouthernGent on March 27, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Bishop on March 27, 2013 at 10:10 PM

His straw purchase?

Cindy Munford on March 27, 2013 at 10:12 PM

It seems to me that the Left has now got the winning formula to get anything and everything they want. The Right is more interested what is said about them than in what is right, call them negative names and they fold like a cheap suit. Gay marriage may not be the end but it is probably the tipping point.

Cindy Munford on March 27, 2013 at 10:09 PM

The right doesn’t know how to debate and go for the throat. I went on a prolife thread on facebook to get away from this topic and of course it turned to gay marriage. There was an “englightened” woman telling everyone how wonderful she was because she didn’t judge or legisate by morality. Took me two posts for her to admit that that she was appalled that incestuous marriage was the same as gay marriage. “But” I said, “aren’t you judging incestuous marriage by your own moral standard.” She disappeared really quick after that.

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Are we Evangelicals yet?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Are we Jooos yet?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 27, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Nuke a Black Jewish Gay Whale for Jesus.
What?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 27, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Are we Evangelicals yet?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Are we Jooos yet?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 27, 2013 at 10:12

I’m the agnostic who is trying to pray the Hotair gay away…

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:13 PM

But some members of the House Republican Conference thought their leaders should have done more to publicly stand behind an effort that is important to social conservatives.

“The silence was absolutely deafening and very disappointing to the millions of value voters that are in the party,” Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., told National Journal Daily.

The SOCONS aren’t wanted or needed by the GOP – The shrill members of HotAir.

RickB on March 27, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Mr Giffords is gay? I guess it gets lonely in space.

wolly4321 on March 27, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Hi Barb!

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:14 PM

I stopped watching Suzie Orman years ago when her bias against men became blatant (and bizarre). It was then that I realized she’s a lesbian before she ever made it public.

SouthernGent on March 27, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Is that the same reason you stopped watching Oprah except she hasn’t come out yet.

RickB on March 27, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Bloomberg is a size queen, fer sure.

wolly4321 on March 27, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Hi Barb!

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Hey!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 27, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Quote Gay Of The Day

Electrongod on March 27, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Sorry, but that would imply only one in 24 hours.

wolfsDad on March 27, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Blah blah blah gay blah blah blah gay, gay blah blah blah.

Cripes, Allah. It’s like reading Gawker. Is there seriously no other news item you’ll write about, or are you just going to keep hammering at this until we’re all whistling showtunes and writing asinine posts about “the new civil rights” on Facebook?

KingGold on March 27, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Is that the same reason you stopped watching Oprah except she hasn’t come out yet.

RickB on March 27, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Could be true, but I never really “watched” Teh Oprah. Uppity, sanctimonious people don’t thrill me.

SouthernGent on March 27, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Nuke a Black Jewish Gay Disabled 1/32 Cherokee Obese Whale for Jesus. What?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 27, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Amended for “fairness”.

M240H on March 27, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Thank you, Allahpundit.

Axe on March 27, 2013 at 10:24 PM

It was the right thing to do, many Republican strategists say, to avoid distracting from the GOP’s core economic message.

That sounds a lot like that pathetic, losing campaign of Mittens’.

man … the GOP is just beyond help. That party needs to die already and leave some space for a serious, conservative party that actually likes America, our Constitution, and the Rule of Law.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 27, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Let’s be honest: If you are a conservative evangelical who believes in the biblical definition of traditional marriage then guess what?

It’s by no means just the biblical definition, it’s the ages old historical definition. To cast it out just to please those who think if you call a tail a leg, a dog has 5 legs is very silly and pandering.

VorDaj on March 27, 2013 at 10:25 PM

…ok I’m gay!…so did unemployment, no Federal budget for four years, inflation, food stamps, deficit, green energy rip offs, etc. etc. Obama care, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, and grabbing guns go away?

KOOLAID2 on March 27, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Again. 3.4% of the population.

3.4% of the population.

3.4% of the population.

Three. Point. Four. Percent.

KingGold on March 27, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Hey, all.

Rusty Allen on March 27, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Are we gay yet?

Bmore on March 27, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Either that or we are Cruz.

Remember the good old days when it was all Palin all the time.

cozmo on March 27, 2013 at 10:26 PM

All Christians should convert to Islam, and then show the Gheys how Islam treats them.

Iblis on March 27, 2013 at 10:27 PM

KOOLAID2 on March 27, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Um okay, and yes.

cozmo on March 27, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Rusty!

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Remember the good old days when it was all Palin all the time.

Good times…good times.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:28 PM

The US is no longer the economic leader of the world…..check out Drudge and the BRICS bank…..

…..and all we hear about is….

GAYS GUNS GAYS GUNS GAYS GUNS GAYS GUNS

ENOUGH already!!!!!

PappyD61 on March 27, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Too bad that The Gay Patriot isn’t going to challenge Lindsey Graham in 2014. That would’ve been fun!

SouthernGent on March 27, 2013 at 10:29 PM

One top Republican pollster, who requested anonymity in order to speak bluntly, said that Republicans will struggle to connect with many swing voters as long as they’re perceived as the party of cultural retrenchment.

And what about if they are perceived as the party that has no principles other that don’t tax the rich and pandering to every other special interest group they can find?

VorDaj on March 27, 2013 at 10:29 PM

All Christians should convert to Islam, and then show the Gheys how Islam treats them.

Iblis on March 27, 2013 at 10:27 PM

That would certainly take care of religious freedom.. You never see their a$$es protesting a mosque..

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:30 PM

If the USSC approves of SSM does that mean the ending for The Flintstones has to be changed so everyone isn’t having a gay ol time.

RickB on March 27, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2013 at 10:31 PM

I look at my paycheck,, and say damned,, gay marriage. That’s why I’m broke.

We say DC is a bubble. So is NY.

Thumbs down on jazz on the weekend, too.

Credits to Erika. She’s hitting topics off our radar.

We should support her more. She’s working the board, not phoning it in.

wolly4321 on March 27, 2013 at 10:31 PM

But if L’il Kim iLL has a gay NorK launch the missile, can we retaliate without first asking where he and his partner are registered?

M240H on March 27, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Evening HA night crew

cmsinaz on March 27, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Quote Gay Of The Day

Electrongod on March 27, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Sorry, but that would imply only one in 24 hours.

wolfsDad on March 27, 2013 at 10:19 PM

But..
“Gay” was capitalized..

That only happens once per 24 hours.

OK..
I’m spent..:)

Electrongod on March 27, 2013 at 10:32 PM

When you see how Holy Week is celebrated in San Francisco, it is really, really hard to believe that all the Gay and Lesbian folk want is a good old fashioned church wedding.

The “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence” (aka Dudes dressed up like Nuns)have a full slate of events planned.

On Good Friday:

The Sisters and Bad Flower Productions proudly present “Sing-Along Jesus Christ Superstar!” which kicks off the Sisters’ Easter weekend with this long-awaited, one-night-only musical and cinematic event. This year we will have a “Chunky Jesus Contest” before the show. Yup, you heard it, all you hot and chubby Jesus wannabes, dust off your crown of thorns and loincloth, and show off your stuff as the best Son of God you can be.

http://www.thesisters.org/index.php/calendar/icalrepeat.detail/2013/03/29/170/-/sing-along-jesus-christ-superstar

On Easter Sunday:

“The event in question is known as the “Hunky Jesus” competition, a semi-serious annual male beauty contest seeking to crown the “hunkiest” — i.e. most sexually appealing — gay (preferably half-nude) Jesus lookalike in San Francisco. Actually, Hunky Jesus is only part of the story; it’s the culmination of a day-long Easter Sunday festival in the city’s Mission Dolores Park. The massive public party/picnic is the closest thing San Francisco has to a municipal Easter celebration, and features several events including an Easter egg hunt for kids, burlesque shows, a campy Easter bonnet contest, musical groups and so on, with Hunky Jesus as the headlining final performance.

As you will soon see in the report below, Hunky Jesus is intentionally as blasphemous as possible, an over-the-top religious-themed sexual beauty contest steeped in mockery of Christians and Christian beliefs.”

…..

This quote comes from a great column that Zombie wrote for PJ Media about the Hunky Jesus Contest a couple of years ago. I’m not going to include the link because Zombie has photos of the event that are not G rated and I don’t want to get banned. If you want to see for yourself, you can Google Zombie + “Hunky Jesus Contest” The title of Zombie’s column is: “Christians Mock Gays at Shocking Easter Service”.

And then for the rest of the Easter Weekend

This Easter, join us for an irreverent and hilarious romp through a “haunted house” that reveals the true horrors of Christianity while reveling in the hedonistic queer spectacle that San Francisco creates so well.

http://www.thesisters.org/index.php/calendar/icalrepeat.detail/2013/03/30/167/-/zombie-christ-haunted-house-easter-2013

If these people weren’t Liberals, they might be accused of being less than tolerant of religious differences.

So does anybody else think these folks will just settle down to raise their adopted kids in a wholesome home, once they are finally allowed to get married?

wren on March 27, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Evening HA night crew

cmsinaz on March 27, 2013 at 10:32 PM

*clink*

With a gayish sounding glass..

Electrongod on March 27, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Dire…

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:33 PM

All Christians should convert to Islam, and then show the Gheys how Islam treats them.

Iblis on March 27, 2013 at 10:27 PM

There should be a million LGBT march on Dearborn, Michigan that should not end until the name of that city is changed from Dearborn, Michigan to Gay Pride, Michigan and every Mosque becomes totally Gay compliant.

VorDaj on March 27, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Remember the good old days when it was all Palin all the time.

And when you were the son of Satan for daring to say that a gigglepuss who got run out of the coldest kitchen in the Union (literally and figuratively) was not the most brilliant choice in the world for the 5-star chef position?

Or back to the Mittens era where someone with an arm-long list of progressive policy had overnight found conservativism…

MelonCollie on March 27, 2013 at 10:33 PM

And what about if they are perceived as the party that has no principles other that don’t tax the rich and pandering to every other special interest group they can find?

VorDaj on March 27, 2013 at 10:29 PM

I don’t think it is perception. Sadly, I think it is reality.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:34 PM

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:12 PM

When they find a way to call people racists and bigots for not wanting to turn over all their earnings to the government, we are done. And the real trick is that they will get to keep their own money, just like they are truly the racists and bigots. What a world!

Cindy Munford on March 27, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Gay
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Gay
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Gay….are we done yet?

KOOLAID2 on March 27, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Wait, what? Gun control is friendly to the Dems these days? Are you out of your mind?

John the Libertarian on March 27, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Are you ignorant bible thumping morons even aware that “marriage” isn’t an invention of either ancient Jews, nor Jesus, nor the bible?

China, India, Japan, Egypt. Been doing it before the Christians stole it and pretended they invented it. Nevermind that it existed in ancient Rome and indeed all of pre-Christian Europe.

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

When they find a way to call people racists and bigots for not wanting to turn over all their earnings to the government, we are done. And the real trick is that they will get to keep their own money, just like they are truly the racists and bigots. What a world!

Cindy Munford on March 27, 2013 at 10:34 PM

I think they do that everytime they pass Obamacare “for the children” – so we might actually already be there.

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

….are we done yet?

KOOLAID2 on March 27, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Not until we are all assimilated.

Resistance is futile fruitaphobic.

cozmo on March 27, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

So? Big deal.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

You don’t say? Is it in the Bible? If not, it didn’t happen.

cozmo on March 27, 2013 at 10:39 PM

cmsinaz on March 27, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Good evening..:)

PS..Did you see the McCain post??..:)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Social conservatives are greatly outnumbered (a byproduct of having lost the culture war argument). We hear a lot about the supposed “three-legged-stool” of the conservative movement, but in fighting the culture war, social conservatives are on their own. In fact, it’s wrong to think of this in terms of a left versus right paradigm. It would be better understood as part of the continuing struggle between virtue (as social conservatives define it) and liberty (defined by our modern secular society to mean the freedom to do whatever we want). In that light, liberty is murdering virtue…

Never lost the culture argument at all. The podiums were never occupied; no moderators ever appeared. The metaphor doesn’t apply. Here’s a better one:

Social conservatives were caught with their pants on by a concerted, multi-generational seizure of the culture in its entirety, from the family restaurant Hooters, to the halls of My Vajayjay, My Self-Worth University, by progressives that hated everything social conservatives loved. This happened because they were naive. And now they stand there stunned and watch the apish loping across the ruined landscape, hand-wringing like a fictional character:

What can men do against such reckless hate?

(The Battle of Helms Deep)

And it’s ironic so many people are coming to the let it burn answer, because that answer is biblical in its own way, and in perfect context:

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Aragorn’s answer was “Ride out with me.”

Axe on March 27, 2013 at 10:40 PM

…and then I get the gay guy in the red Hot Air shirt dropping down on me every couple of minutes!…I thought we requested breasts?…I don’t care…if you put breasts on him!… I’m going to start doing the Y M C A pretty soon!

KOOLAID2 on March 27, 2013 at 10:40 PM

His straw purchase?

Cindy Munford on March 27, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Kelly said he intended to buy an AR15 for other than himself, a “straw purchase”, so the gun store is refusing to give him the rifle. Technically Kelly should be charged with a crime, that of lying on his backgrounder form.

Bishop on March 27, 2013 at 10:42 PM

It’s 7:42 PM on the west coast on Wednesday, March 27th, 2013 and Erick Erickson is still an idiot.

alchemist19 on March 27, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Hey when you come back from protesting a Mosque’s definition of marriage.. Come back and tell us how that went..

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Are you ignorant bible thumping morons even aware that “marriage” isn’t an invention of either ancient Jews, nor Jesus, nor the bible?

China, India, Japan, Egypt. Been doing it before the Christians stole it and pretended they invented it. Nevermind that it existed in ancient Rome and indeed all of pre-Christian Europe.

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I love you unconditionally.

tom daschle concerned on March 27, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Are you ignorant bible thumping morons even aware that “marriage” isn’t an invention of either ancient Jews, nor Jesus, nor the bible?

China, India, Japan, Egypt. Been doing it before the Christians stole it and pretended they invented it. Nevermind that it existed in ancient Rome and indeed all of pre-Christian Europe.

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

That statement’s ridiculous. People have been marrying from the foundation of the modern species. Saying “Christians stole it and pretended they invented it” is well beyond abject stupidity.

Axe on March 27, 2013 at 10:43 PM

If a nuke hits san francisco,, will the gays die too?

Or does starbucks have bunkers?

wolly4321 on March 27, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

What about those who only lightly tap their Bibles?

Bishop on March 27, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Apparently, you’re not aware that your “receiver” status in The Ghey Community makes you crabby.

M240H on March 27, 2013 at 10:44 PM

I demand equal rights for all, especially since I’m a mefale. I should be able to shower in the woman’s locker room. Its a violation of my rights as a mefale.

Mefale is a new gender I have just invented for me. I didn’t choose to be a mefale, I was born a mefale because its all about me.

SparkPlug on March 27, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Hey when you come back from protesting a Mosque’s definition of marriage.. Come back and tell us how that went..

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Come to think of it, I have never heard the term “Koran Thumpers”.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Apparently, you’re not aware that your “receiver” status in The Ghey Community makes you crabby.

M240H on March 27, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Bwwwahaaaa.. Is he resentful he can’t be a top?

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Are you ignorant bible thumping morons even aware that “marriage” isn’t an invention of either ancient Jews, nor Jesus, nor the bible?

China, India, Japan, Egypt. Been doing it before the Christians stole it and pretended they invented it. Nevermind that it existed in ancient Rome and indeed all of pre-Christian Europe.

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Are self-righteous libertarians ever going to stop insulting those who hold religious beliefs, simply because we see that your character is not worth any measurement?

nobar on March 27, 2013 at 10:45 PM

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Come to think of it, I have never heard the term “Koran Thumpers”.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:45 PM

I might become one of those just so people will leave me the hel! alone..

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Daikokuco on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Stomp on Jesus! Stomp on him, I say!

John the Libertarian on March 27, 2013 at 10:47 PM

You bible thumpers are nuts. Don’t you know that male chimps in the wild hump each other. Come on, that means its natural, obviously. Male chimps have humped each other way before marriage was invented.

SparkPlug on March 27, 2013 at 10:48 PM

*clink *
EG and Dire

Yes I did see the McCain thread…..Unstinkingbelievable

cmsinaz on March 27, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Cindy Munford on March 27, 2013 at 10:34 PM

They are already trying..GM\Chrysler Bailout is the first successful attempt..:(

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Are you ignorant bible thumping morons even aware that “marriage” isn’t an invention of either ancient Jews, nor Jesus, nor the bible?

China, India, Japan, Egypt. Been doing it before the Christians stole it and pretended they invented it. Nevermind that it existed in ancient Rome and indeed all of pre-Christian Europe.

Datscoocoo on March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

…you’re Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs!

KOOLAID2 on March 27, 2013 at 10:49 PM

You bible thumpers are nuts. Don’t you know that male orangutans in the wild hump each other. Come on, that means its natural, obviously. Male orangutans have humped each other way before marriage was invented.

SparkPlug on March 27, 2013 at 10:49 PM

cmsinaz on March 27, 2013 at 10:48 PM

I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2013 at 10:50 PM

You bible thumpers are nuts. Don’t you know that male chimps in the wild hump each other. Come on, that means its natural, obviously. Male chimps have humped each other way before marriage was invented.

SparkPlug on March 27, 2013 at 10:48 PM

I call for a new definition of marriage and a new hot air topic.. discuss. :)

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Again. 3.4% of the population.

3.4% of the population.

3.4% of the population.

Three. Point. Four. Percent.

KingGold on March 27, 2013 at 10:25 PM

With. A. Big. Megaphone.

The MSM and radical academics probably account for an even smaller percentage, with some overlap between all three. But they’re the ones up in front of the meeting hall on the podium, shouting down everybody else.

Size isn’t everything. It’s decibels that count- in an environment based almost solely on propaganda, and fear. Propaganda for certain views, and fear of being accused of bigotry for not sharing those views.

The fact that those who promulgate the Utopian worldview are constantly telling everyone how ready they are to resort to violence if everyone else doesn’t drop trou for them is a plus for them. Because everyone else respects the law, and respects those aggressive Utopians’ rights- just as much as they respect neither the law or the rights of those they regard as “unenlightened”.

There will come point when the “enlightened ones” will push just too far. And there won’t be a push back. There will be an explosion.

I’m not looking forward to it. I’m just going to hunker down and wait for the incoming.

clear ether

eon

eon on March 27, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Just as I cringe when I see posters hurl invectives at homosexuals, especially Conservative homosexuals which some all-seeing-all-knowing people claim are either unicorns or Karl Marx reincarnated, I absolutely loathe the intolerant, hateful bigots, who beat up on people of faith even though I am an atheist.

The most intolerant people in America are those on the fringes of both political ideologies, who also suffer from epistemic closure resulting from a rigidity of epic groupthink. Neither group allows for any diversity of thought or deviation from the philosophical plantation.

PS: Even though I believe wholeheartedly in freedom of speech and will defend to the death BOR(e)’s right to say the most inane, ridiculous and/or vile things, I also fully support Fox News’ unqualified right to suspend the pompous Bill O’Reilly’s arse for slamming “Bible thumpers” and, in fact, think that they should. You don’t insult your audience by, essentially, calling them “bitter clingers.” I double-bloody-dare Ted Baxter to repeat his insult, but replace “Bible” with “Qur’an.” Of course, he doesn’t even have the sun-dried raisins to do that! Chickenshit.

Resist We Much on March 27, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Come to think of it, I have never heard the term “Koran Thumpers”.

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 10:45 PM

…because you had a “T” in there!

KOOLAID2 on March 27, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Do china, india, japan or egypt condone gay marriage?

Having a hard time getting this logic.

Are you saying they agree?

wolly4321 on March 27, 2013 at 10:51 PM

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