North Korea to UN Security Council: Conditions ripe for a “simmering nuclear war”

posted at 2:01 pm on March 27, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

It’s time once again to play, “What are the North Koreans thinking?” Today’s question comes to us via the UN Security Council, which had to be non-plussed at the latest communication from Pyongyang, which has steadfastly refused to abide by UNSC resolutions to stop working on nuclear weapons and missile tests.  In what can only be described as a diplomatic version of Mom, he hit me back, the DPRK complained that the US and South Korea had created an atmosphere of a simmering nuclear conflict:

North Korea has again threatened war against South Korea and the United States, saying conditions “for a simmering nuclear war” have been created on the peninsula.

The communist state’s foreign ministry said it will inform the UN Security Council of the latest situation, as tensions continue to simmer on Wednesday.

“Upon authorisation of the Foreign Ministry, the DPRK openly informs the UN Security Council  that the Korean Peninsula now has the conditions for a simmering nuclear war,” the statement said. “This is because of provocation moves by the US and South Korean puppets”.

Well, gee, what might have prevented that?  Perhaps some negotiation from Pyongyang — and respect for the UN Security Council resolutions of the last two decades.  It’s difficult to get too humorous about this situation under the circumstances, but running to the UNSC to complain about the US after the decades of thumbing its nose at Turtle Bay would normally be hilarious.

The Kim regime has also cut off the last communication links to the Republic of Korea:

Raising tensions with South Korea yet again, North Korea cut a military hotline that has been essential in operating the last major symbol of inter-Korean cooperation: an industrial complex in the North that employs hundreds of workers from the South.

There was no immediate word about what cutting one of the few remaining official North-South links would mean for South Korean workers who were at the Kaesong industrial complex. When the link was last cut, in 2009, many South Koreans were stranded in the North.

The hotline shutdown is the latest of many threats and provocative actions from North Korea, which is angry over U.S.-South Korean military drills and recent U.N. sanctions punishing it for its Feb. 12 nuclear test. In a statement announcing the shutdown, the North repeated its claim that war may break out any moment.

We are rapidly approaching the point of no return, where Kim Jong-un will have to do something in order to demonstrate his mettle to the military command of the DPRK.  Even if that doesn’t happen, the heightened alert status on both sides could produce an event that will spin quickly into a war.  That almost happened earlier today, as a South Korean soldier on patrol saw movement near the border and threw a grenade, thinking that the DPRK had started infiltrating across the line.  It turned out to be nothing, but with tensions running this high, it won’t take much more than that to restart the Korean War.

Here’s a handy video from Al-Jazeera English’s analyst explaining how misunderstood Pyongyang is in this conflict, and top that off with this interview of a documentarian who insists that the West really does misunderstand the popularity of the Kim regime.  Oh, and they have pretty decent pizza in Pyongyang … for those allowed to actually eat food. Bon appetit.

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Shy Guy on March 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Why doesn’t someone blow the corpulent Napoleon into a million pieces?

Better, yet, may the ants consume him, alive.

How stupid is China?

Better question – how stupid is Obama?

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

A “…simmering nuclear war”? WTH does that mean? Either it’s on, or it isn’t.

Ward Cleaver on March 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

If N Korea strikes us, I wonder which side Obama will take?

beatcanvas on March 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

How dare you interupt the gay marriage thread for this unimportant “nuclear war” stuff! Like a nuclear war matters or something.

happytobehere on March 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Too bad there isn’t a way to transport North Korea to the mideast so all the thugs can be centrally located; targeting would be made easier.

Bishop on March 27, 2013 at 2:06 PM

“Yes, we can – China and Obama enable us” — The N. Koreans

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2013 at 2:06 PM

How dare you interupt the gay marriage thread for this unimportant “nuclear war” stuff! Like a nuclear war matters or something.

happytobehere on March 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Beat me to it. Although, if the rumors of gays being genetic are true, a nuclear war could produce more of them.

nobar on March 27, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Is he gay?

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2013 at 2:07 PM

a diplomatic version of Mom, he hit me back

Heh. Good one, Ed.

iurockhead on March 27, 2013 at 2:07 PM

a simmering nuclear war

Obvious result of a culture that doesn’t do much cooking.
Nuclear wars don’t simmer – they flash fry.

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Leftists, don’t you find it odd that he’s the only corpulent person in the entire land?

Defend him, you incredible terrorist swine, you.

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Odds are more likely that little Kim disappears from the face of the earth caused by a coup….

albill on March 27, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Better question – how stupid is Obama?

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Is that a rhetorical question? ;)

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Although, if the rumors of gays being genetic are true, a nuclear war could produce more of them.

nobar on March 27, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Are you saying that gayness is caused by radiation poisoning from the North Koreans? Because that makes too much sense.

happytobehere on March 27, 2013 at 2:10 PM

A “…simmering nuclear war”? WTH does that mean? Either it’s on, or it isn’t.

Ward Cleaver on March 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I was wondering the same thing. I guess it means only tactical nukes, not global thermonuclear war.

Honestly, I think this latest crisis started when Rodman came back and said Kim John Un just wants Obama to call him. The next day Obama’s lackey said something to the effect of: No, the North Koreans need to comply with us, blah blah blah. It’s a hissy fit thrown by a 3 year old with Obama playing the role of uncaring and incompetent daddy.

Fenris on March 27, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Nuclear war..global monetary crash..Mid East exploding, healthcare costs, whats the big deal when we have gay marriage, legalizing pot smoking, too much C02 poisoning plants and an active war on women going on???
Lets have some priorities here, people!

Mimzey on March 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Sounds like we need to send Dennis Rodman back to N. Korea.

Bitter Clinger on March 27, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Good thing 0 ordered the addition of more anti-ballistic missile systems in Alaska. You know, the ones he pulled the plug on when he first came into office. They should be up and running in about 4 years. I feel so safe.

iurockhead on March 27, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Bitter Clinger on March 27, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I still wonder why we let him come back.

cozmo on March 27, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Let justice Roberts handle this. He has a spine. Hahahahahahahahahahaha…

GhoulAid on March 27, 2013 at 2:15 PM

just what we need, another 3:00 AM call that jug ears will sleep through as people die.

UltimateBob on March 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM

If N Korea strikes us, I wonder which side Obama will take?

beatcanvas on March 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Well, Obama has already stated that “We can absorb a Nuclear attack on America”, that ought to answer your question.

SWalker on March 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Hmm, those hoarders don’t look so foolish now.

Iblis on March 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM

North Korea to UN Security Council: Conditions ripe for a “simmering nuclear war”

*takes a nice long drag from Jack Daniel’s, wipes mouth, then cracks some bones*

Ok, we doing this?

BigGator5 on March 27, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I suggest we nuke the Norks and they retaliate by wiping Washington, D.C. off the map. Show of hands please, who is willing to sacrifice them all? For the children, of course…

Archivarix on March 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Better question – how stupid is Obama?

“Ain’t no mountain higher
Ain’t no valley lower, ain’t no river wider”

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Send in The Drones.

ExpressoBold on March 27, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I suggest we nuke the Norks and they retaliate by wiping Washington, D.C. off the map. Show of hands please, who is willing to sacrifice them all? For the children, of course…

Archivarix on March 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Sacramento, Detroit, and Chicago (plus dc) and we’ll call it even.

nobar on March 27, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I suggest we nuke the Norks and they retaliate by wiping Washington, D.C. off the map. Show of hands please, who is willing to sacrifice them all? For the children, of course…

Archivarix on March 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM

If only….

UltimateBob on March 27, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I suggest we nuke the Norks and they retaliate by wiping Washington, D.C. off the map. Show of hands please, who is willing to sacrifice them all? For the children, of course

Me! Me! (waving hand in air)

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Sacramento, Detroit, and Chicago (plus dc) and we’ll call it even.

As an added incentive, lets toss in SF just for good measure.

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 2:26 PM

*takes a nice long drag from Jack Daniel’s, wipes mouth, then cracks some bones*

Ok, we doing this?

BigGator5 on March 27, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Ya – seems to me the NorKs have already done the equivalent of a hockey player throwing off his gloves. What happens after that?
If Obumble had any cojones, he should have already responded appropriately.

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Kim better get used to rat for dinner.

GarandFan on March 27, 2013 at 2:26 PM

They may have the ability to do us great harm…which by my reading of Obama would be fine by him. Take a look at the article below.

I was wondering the same thing. I guess it means only tactical nukes, not global thermonuclear war.

Honestly, I think this latest crisis started when Rodman came back and said Kim John Un just wants Obama to call him. The next day Obama’s lackey said something to the effect of: No, the North Koreans need to comply with us, blah blah blah. It’s a hissy fit thrown by a 3 year old with Obama playing the role of uncaring and incompetent daddy.

Fenris on March 27, 2013 at 2:11 PM

For those who think North Korea is all bluster…

Read the rest of the article I have snipped here.

Despite North Korea’s successful long-range missile test in December 2012, and now its third successful nuclear test on February 12, 2013, the Obama administration and the press keep reassuring the American people that North Korea is not yet a fully fledged nuclear weapons state – that a North Korean nuclear missile threat to the United States is still years in the future.

The facts do not support this judgment. North Korea is already a major nuclear threat to the United States–an existential threat.

Common wisdom in the press, encouraged by the Obama Administration and North Korea, is that North Korea has not yet miniaturized nuclear warheads for missile delivery, and that its nuclear tests are in pursuit of designing a nuclear missile warhead. Indeed, the Obama administration and the western press both naively took at face value and parroted North Korea’s public claim that their third nuclear test is for nuclear warhead miniaturization.

Yet this claim is almost certainly disinformation designed to conceal that North Korea’s nuclear weapon program is advanced far beyond warhead miniaturization. Miniaturization to develop a nuclear warhead is not difficult to do, and can be accomplished even without nuclear testing.

North Korea and Iran both have strategic reasons to mislead and conceal from the West the true status of their nuclear and missile programs. They intend that the U.S. and its allies will underestimate those programs, fail to act in time to stop them, and be strategically surprised when North Korea and Iran become nuclear super-powers, and progenitors of a dystopian new world order.

North Korean Missiles–Nuclear Armed Now

The press appears to have forgotten that the U.S. intelligence community, under then Director of Central Intelligence, R. James Woolsey, testified to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on January 25, 1994, that North Korea then had enough plutonium for at least one nuclear weapon, and already had the bomb. So today, the Obama administration and the press expects us to believe that North Korea has still not figured out how to make a nuclear warhead for missile delivery, after nearly 20 years of trying.

Clinton administration mythology has it, largely accepted by a compliant press, that President Clinton’s Agreed Framework initiative slowed or stopped North Korea’s nuclear weapon program until an overly aggressive Bush administration provoked North Korea to resume warhead development with its first nuclear test in 2006.

This is nonsense.

I served on the congressional North Korea Advisory Group during the Clinton administration. We warned the White House, the press, anyone who would listen, that North Korea was cheating on the Agreed Framework. During the Clinton years, North Korea forged full speed ahead on its nuclear weapons program–including with a clandestine uranium centrifuge program, to supplement the known plutonium program for North Korea’s advancing nuclear arsenal.

Unfortunately, the press was not interested and our NKAG Report went virtually unreported.

PierreLegrand on March 27, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Sacramento, Detroit, and Chicago (plus dc) and we’ll call it even.

nobar on March 27, 2013 at 2:23 PM

As an added incentive, lets toss in SF just for good measure.

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Ya – I’m good with that. That’s a hit we could “absorb”.
In fact, if they were willing to hit those cities, I’d agree to give them all the food they need for the next 20 years in exchange.

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:29 PM

No doubt, Obama will have to act.

Time to call in his two most famous and successful diplomats, double team North K…

Rodman and Carter…it’s about as good as Obama could ever hope for.

right2bright on March 27, 2013 at 2:31 PM

I sure hope that nuke doesn’t land on Washington, DC.

Or New York, near Bloomberg’s office.

That would be awful.

MadisonConservative on March 27, 2013 at 2:32 PM

That would be awful.

MadisonConservative on March 27, 2013 at 2:32 PM

No sarc tag required for that one…..

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:34 PM

The Little Man Fat Boy of nukes wants new toys that will require other peoples money so hence the tantrum.

BL@KBIRD on March 27, 2013 at 2:34 PM

To complete the oddity of events, all we need now is for Sean Penn and Jane Fonda to lead an entertainment mission to the North. Perhaps even stay there for a bit.

Check out the Pizza; and the “simmering nuclear war”.

MTF on March 27, 2013 at 2:34 PM

“Calling Dr. Strangelove, calling Dr. Strangelove!” Reality is even funnier than the movies!!

Deano1952 on March 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Rodman and Carter…it’s about as good as Obama could ever hope for.

right2bright on March 27, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Oooohhhh – another “dream team”…..

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Does the North allow gay marriage?

docflash on March 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM

The Obama presidency was supposed to usher in an new age of world peace where everyone liked us. So obviously this is all Bush’s fault.

/

heretic on March 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

I sure hope that nuke doesn’t land on Washington, DC.

Or New York, near Bloomberg’s office.

That would be awful.

Capitol Hill and NYC City Hall. Ground zero, baby, ground zero.

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

No sarc tag required for that one…..

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:34 PM

It’s an endlessly maddening, frustrating, and sad case that we can make jokes like that. We should not have leaders that draw this kind of ire.

But…we do, and they earned it.

MadisonConservative on March 27, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Oops! I forgot Alec Baldwin, Susan Sarandon and Matt Damon. All the Film Actors Guild members should be traveling over….

MTF on March 27, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Everyone calm down. The last thing we need is to PO Dennis Rodman.

Limerick on March 27, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Does the North allow gay marriage?

docflash on March 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Probably not, but the libtards will ingore that deviation since they’re a good commie dictatorship.

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:39 PM

To complete the oddity of events, all we need now is for Sean Penn and Jane Fonda to lead an entertainment mission to the North. Perhaps even stay there for a bit.

Check out the Pizza; and the “simmering nuclear war”.

MTF on March 27, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Can’t leave out “Arec Bardwin”.

Bitter Clinger on March 27, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Ya – I’m good with that. That’s a hit we could “absorb”.
In fact, if they were willing to hit those cities, I’d agree to give them all the food they need for the next 20 years in exchange.

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:29 PM

They are not going to strike individual cities…they will strike the entire country with an EMP weapon and we will get to see the USA in the dark with all the government handouts gone. Should be a lot of fun…

PierreLegrand on March 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Eventually, you’d think China would change it’s atttitude towards North Korea.

China has historically benefitted from Korea being divided, but a confrontation at this point would be bad for business. Soaring oil prices, a worldwide financial reaction, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan going nuclear, are no longer in Chinas’ best interst.

Too bad the the Vacationer-In-Chief hiding in the closed-to-the public White House is ignorant about geopolitics.

MichaelGabriel on March 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Can’t leave out “Arec Bardwin”.

Bitter Clinger on March 27, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Hold seats for Danny Grover and Harry Berafonte….

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Oops! I forgot Alec Baldwin, Susan Sarandon and Matt Damon. All the Film Actors Guild members should be traveling over….

MTF on March 27, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Can’t leave out “Arec Bardwin”.

Bitter Clinger on March 27, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Didn’t see your follow-up post.

Hilarious. Can Matt Damon take John Krazinski with him?

Bitter Clinger on March 27, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Hmm, those hoarders don’t look so foolish now.

Iblis on March 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM

At this point, only the hoarders of kimchi.

As an added incentive, lets toss in SF just for good measure.

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Is Pelosi home on Easter break?

GWB on March 27, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Oh, and they have pretty decent pizza in Pyongyang … for those allowed to actually eat food. Bon appetit.

Just stay away from the pepperoni…

affenhauer on March 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I’d hate to see Lil Kim’s idea of a “peculating” or “rolling boil” nuclear war.

Resist We Much on March 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Does Betty Crocker publish a nukebook?

Resist We Much on March 27, 2013 at 2:44 PM

PierreLegrand on March 27, 2013 at 2:27 PM

You’re just a ray of sunshine, aren’t you?

Great post.

TexasDan on March 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM

They are not going to strike individual cities…they will strike the entire country with an EMP weapon and we will get to see the USA in the dark with all the government handouts gone. Should be a lot of fun…

PierreLegrand on March 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Unfortunately, you have a point. I don’t believe their aim is good enough to actually hit a specific city that they might shoot at anyway.
I’d hate see the SF shot take out Napa Valley instead.

But, real world – yes, a HEMP (not MJ related) blast would do far more damage to us.

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Does Betty Crocker publish a nukebook?

Resist We Much on March 27, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Try reading “The Joy of Nuking” instead.

Shy Guy on March 27, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Just stay away from the pepperoni…

affenhauer on March 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM

We REALLY don’t want to see how the NorKs make sausage – given what they use their mortar ranges for……

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Try reading “The Joy of Nuking” instead.

Shy Guy on March 27, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Damn. My copy has a spelling error. The publisher accidentally used an “F” instead of an “N.” lol

Resist We Much on March 27, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Oh, and “simmering” allows them to escalate to “low boil” and then “rolling boil” nuclear war.

It’s actually encouraging that the south Korean soldiers are already chucking grenades. Something of a sign to the North that they’re really going to get a reaction if they push it any further.

One would hope for some cooler heads in the military on the NorK side to oust Kim before he crosses the Rubicon and they get their hats handed to them as a result, but I don’t think that would be a rational hope.

TexasDan on March 27, 2013 at 2:49 PM

The one thing certain about bullies(and North Korea is a global bully) is that they fail to understand that not everyone will succumb to their threats. NK has had great success in using intimidation to control their hapless masses and is internally furious that a free adversary next door can allow freedom and surge far ahead economically and culturally while their own despotism, like that of the old USSR, can only provide a military economy.

The answer to being bullied is found in the simple words of Nancy Reagan, “just say no!”

One way of doing that is to point a few nukes in their direction to accent the “no.”

Don L on March 27, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Is that guy in the video for real? The amount of bullcrap that came out of his mouth is just amazing.

VinceOfDoom on March 27, 2013 at 2:50 PM

We have a Reincarnation of Jim Jones ruling No.Korea. He is on a suicide mission so history will confirm him to be the worst mass murderer in history. His historical name will be;
“DUM YOUNG UN”

The only solution is to buy them all out, it will be much cheaper than rebuilding. Give the dumb kid $10 billion dollars. his top military thugs 10 million each and all the rest of the security thugs maybe $10,000 and all citizens $1,500.00 each. it will amount to maybe $100 billion dollars total,which is about how much the Euros give Greece every year for their citizens not to work.

blogforce one on March 27, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Would most everyday Americans survive a nuclear hit on a single target? Yes.

It would be a different story for the politicians who let it happen though. I guessing that hemp and light poles will be popular tools.

chemman on March 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM

North Korean girls are pretty hot.

DarkCurrent on March 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM

If N Korea strikes us, I wonder which side Obama will take?

beatcanvas on March 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

“Let’s wait and see how it plays out.”

dogsoldier on March 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Although, if the rumors of gays being genetic are true, a nuclear war could produce more of them.

nobar on March 27, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Love it. BTW, you’re a hater. /

HiJack on March 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM

The only precondition is a peaceful unification of the 2 Koreas, so the north can be absorbed by the south .

blogforce one on March 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM

They are not going to strike individual cities…they will strike the entire country with an EMP weapon and we will get to see the USA in the dark with all the government handouts gone. Should be a lot of fun…

PierreLegrand on March 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Unfortunately, you have a point. I don’t believe their aim is good enough to actually hit a specific city that they might shoot at anyway.

Well, the PRC has plans to employ EMP against us as a future possibility. Nukes are so destructive and PRC probably wishes to preserve its assets here untained nor destroyed in use of general nuclear strikes, and I, too, doubt NK has pinpoint accuracy with its delivery system.

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 2:56 PM

They are not going to strike individual cities…they will strike the entire country with an EMP weapon and we will get to see the USA in the dark with all the government handouts gone. Should be a lot of fun…

PierreLegrand on March 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM

NK (thankfully) doesn’t have that level of weapon sophistication. Russia does, but if they give it to the norks, China will attack Russia.

nobar on March 27, 2013 at 2:56 PM

If N Korea strikes us, I wonder which side Obama will take?

beatcanvas on March 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Well, Obama has already stated that “We can absorb a Nuclear attack on America”, that ought to answer your question.

SWalker on March 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Meaning that he has a safe haven when it happens, and if the rest get hit, he’s betting that will solve the economic costs of health care?

Of course he can always refuse to fight back if they fire a nuke or two blaming the sequester….

Don L on March 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM

North Korean girls are pretty hot.

DarkCurrent on March 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM

You betcha!! Did you see the North Korean Girls Gone Wild?
Hot stuff if you like them skinny – like Lindsay Lohan anorexic – no fatties there…..

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Better question – how stupid is Obama?

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Similar to…

How deep is the ocean?

How blue is the sky?

How incompetent is Hillary?

How clueless is Biden?

landlines on March 27, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Hilarious. Can Matt Damon take John Krazinski with him?

Bitter Clinger on March 27, 2013 at 2:42 PM

They can help Kim Jong-Un sing “I’m so Ronery”

MTF on March 27, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Well, the PRC has plans to employ EMP against us as a future possibility. Nukes are so destructive and PRC probably wishes to preserve its assets here untained nor destroyed in use of general nuclear strikes, and I, too, doubt NK has pinpoint accuracy with its delivery system.

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 2:56 PM

That’s a win-win scenario for China. They get to sell us a whole new set of cheap electronics to replace those destroyed by the EMP.
Besides, China pretty much owns us now, so they sure wouldn’t want to physically destroy any of their real estate….

dentarthurdent on March 27, 2013 at 3:03 PM

My best estimate would be they would strike the South Korean capital. Easier to hit and lots of American military and their dependents. It’s a twofer. They would go out in a blaze of “glory” with a strike on their two enemies at the same time.

chemman on March 27, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Besides, China pretty much owns us now, so they sure wouldn’t want to physically destroy any of their real estate

Gotta agree with that. I visualize a NK missile targeting DC inadvertently hitting Manitoba, Canada instead. If it even gets that far.

Oopsies!!

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 3:08 PM

The mouse that roared.
Kick off a little war, lose quickly, reunite with the south and stop starving.
If they were smart, that would be the plan.

They would need to disable those arty tubes pointed at Seoul first, though. That would be bad.

Dexter_Alarius on March 27, 2013 at 3:10 PM

North Korea is a perfect example why history should not be re-written and always studied very closely.

If General Douglas MacArthur had not been cutailed by that dweeb Truman North Korea would not exist and China would be in the stone ages.

Shame ain’t it.

losarkos on March 27, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Well the point of the article I linked to is that North Korea had nukes 20 years ago. We knew that and it was reported. Now recently they have SUCCESSFULLY launched a satellite into orbit. Now either by co-incidence the orbit they chose was over the south and that sort of orbit is EXACTLY the way to surprise us with an EMP Device since we have always assumed a launch would come in a massive way over the North Pole from the Soviets…so our sensors and missile defenses point that way. …which would be a perfect way for a Super EMP device to completely surprise us…and devastate us. See below for more.

Well, the PRC has plans to employ EMP against us as a future possibility. Nukes are so destructive and PRC probably wishes to preserve its assets here untained nor destroyed in use of general nuclear strikes, and I, too, doubt NK has pinpoint accuracy with its delivery system.

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 2:56 PM

If North Korea’s nuclear weapon is an ordinary nuclear warhead designed to create a big explosion, then it is not much of a threat. The lethal radius of “several kilotons” is so small, and the miss distance of North Korean missiles is so great, that such a warhead might well explode harmlessly in the countryside, and do little damage to the targeted city.

Yet North Korea is happy with its mysterious “nuclear device,” has declared all its tests successful, and has weaponized it into warheads. Is North Korea arming its missiles with nuclear duds? Are they stupid?

In 2004, the Congressional Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Commission was warned by a delegation of Russian generals that Russia had developed a “Super-EMP” nuclear warhead, and that design information for this weapon had leaked to North Korea. A Super-EMP warhead is a nuclear weapon specially designed to produce an enormous burst of gamma rays that generates an extraordinarily powerful electromagnetic pulse, capable of destroying even the best protected electronics, thereby paralyzing military forces and blacking out power grids and collapsing critical infrastructures everywhere–across an entire nation the size of the United States.

One signature of a Super-EMP weapon is that it has a very low explosive yield, just several kilotons, or even less if it is more efficient, because the weapon is converting the energy of the nuclear warhead into gamma rays.

In 2004, the Russian generals told the EMP Commission that North Korea was getting help developing a Super-EMP nuclear weapon from contractors from Russia, China, Pakistan and elsewhere, and could probably test such a weapon “in a few years.” A few years later, in 2006, North Korea tested its mysterious “nuclear device” that produced an explosive yield of only several kilotons, and so was derided by the Western press as a failure–but hailed as a success by North Korea.

Independently of the Congressional EMP Commission, South Korean military intelligence several times warned their government, in stories reported in South Korean press, that Russians are in North Korea helping them develop a Super-EMP nuclear warhead. In response, the South Korean government launched projects to harden their military communications and other critical infrastructures.

In 2010, according to some reputable European analysts, radioisotope data indicates North Korea may have conducted two clandestine nuclear tests of a very low yield “nuclear device” of sophisticated fusion design. This is indicative of a weapons program that is very technologically advanced, and consistent with development of a Super-EMP warhead.

In 2012, a military commentator for the People’s Republic of China told a Hong Kong journal that North Korea has Super-EMP nuclear warheads.

PierreLegrand on March 27, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Air drop in Dennis Rodman!

albill on March 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM

In 2012, a military commentator for the People’s Republic of China told a Hong Kong journal that North Korea has Super-EMP nuclear warheads.

I’m betting that NK would dearly love to try one out on someone. Its a shame to have such shiny toys that stay in the box.

hawkeye54 on March 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM

North Korea is a perfect example why history should not be re-written and always studied very closely.

losarkos on March 27, 2013 at 3:10 PM

That part made sense. The rest, not so much.

cozmo on March 27, 2013 at 3:24 PM

The NORKs and Russians can smell Obama’s weakness.

OxyCon on March 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Meh.

Pretty sure lil Kim does not want to die. They are testing Obama for weakness, which I am resigned to right now because of America’s collective foolishness over the past two election cycles.

scotash on March 27, 2013 at 3:45 PM

North Korea to UN Security Council: Conditions ripe for a “simmering nuclear war”

I wonder what China thinks about being in prime nuclear fallout territory? Perhaps Lil’ Kim is going to have a bout of poor health or a fatal accident courtesy of China.

RJL on March 27, 2013 at 3:48 PM

According to Krugman this would be even better for the economy than aliens invading from outer space.

*Ignore the invasion from the south. They don’t count.

njrob on March 27, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Calling China……

This is your creation, now do something about it or be prepared to see a re-united and democratic Korea on your border, or better yet a Nuclear armed South Korea and Japan.

China…Have fun figuring all that out…:)

William Eaton on March 27, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Call their bluff. Continue B-52 flights and military exercises with both SK and Japan.

jake49 on March 27, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Here is what I fear.

(1) North Korea will do something really idiotic like start lobbing Nuclear Weapons around or start a ground war in Korea again.

(2) South Korea (with a few U.S. forces and assets thrown in) kicks Kim’s ass all over the place. SK will obviously have no choice but to try to re-unite Korea. The political pressure in SK would be so great at that point they have no choice but to go for total victory.

The million (or should I say trillion) dollar question is: What does China do when it is clear SK is about to take all of NK? Do they jump in again? The reason why U.S. troops are in SK is not because of NK really, but really as a message to China. If the Chinese had common sense they would let SK win, which would be good for everyone including Chinese business and we could at last come home, but does the Chinese military and communist party fear what a re-united Korea could mean for them in terms of democratic reform in China itself. If the Chinese do get involved again in that circumstance to me it would be unforgivable and we should begin to cut ties with China. In other words the mask will at last be off for what China’s intentions really are….

William Eaton on March 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Japan does not have nuclear weapons right now but with their resources and expertise they easily could in a matter of a few months. China knows this and they do not want that. At some point they almost have to kick the NorKs in the crotch and tell them to pipe down.

alchemist19 on March 27, 2013 at 4:21 PM

William Eaton on March 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I seem to remember one of the diplomatic cables made public by Wikileaks indicated that China could accept a unified Korea under the government of Seoul.

alchemist19 on March 27, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I seem to remember one of the diplomatic cables made public by Wikileaks indicated that China could accept a unified Korea under the government of Seoul.

alchemist19 on March 27, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Lets hope that is the case.

William Eaton on March 27, 2013 at 4:35 PM

but does the Chinese military and communist party fear what a re-united Korea could mean for them in terms of democratic reform in China itself.

William Eaton on March 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I think a major issue is China losing its Crazy Uncle Kim leverage. If NK tries to commit national suicide, and achieves it, they lose their distractor in the region. We could do something like really focus on their encroachment into “disputed” island chains and such, and that would be bad for them. The 64k$ question: what will China do to maintain its Crazy Uncle Kim, while not pissing everyone else off enough to take him (or them) down?

GWB on March 27, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I’m sure they’re right about being misunderstood. How does any sane person understand insanity?

All we can do is honor the threat and raise our defense level and make sure they know it. Maybe the certainty of self-destruction won’t deter Pyongyang, but they have systematically eliminated all other alternatives.

Socratease on March 27, 2013 at 5:23 PM

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