Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on March 26, 2013 by Allahpundit

The one thing that the parties in this case seem to agree on is that marriage is very important. It’s thought to be a fundamental building block of society and its preservation essential for the preservation of society. Traditional marriage has been around for thousands of years. Same-sex marriage is very new. I think it was first adopted in The Netherlands in 2000. So there isn’t a lot of data about its effect. And it may turn out to be a — a good thing; it may turn out not to be a good thing, as the supporters of Proposition 8 apparently believe.

But you want us to step in and render a decision based on an assessment of the effects of this institution which is newer than cell phones or the Internet? I mean we — we are not — we do not have the ability to see the future.

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Members of the same gender have been coupling off for centuries, sometimes with ceremonies that look rather marital to modern eyes. Here in America, gay marriages predate the modern gay rights movement. Six years before Stonewall, the 1963 book The Homosexual and his Society described informal gay weddings where “all the formalities of [a] legally certified and religiously sanctioned ceremony are aped with the greatest of care.”…As gay life became more visible, so did those permanent partnerships, and as social tolerance of homosexuality grew, more people accepted the partners’ marriages as real. In 1992, long before any state recognized gay marriage as a legal right, Suzanne Sherman could fill a big chunk of a book by interviewing gays who had married and officiants who had blessed their unions. Such marriages were eventually honored by institutions outside as well as inside the gay community. By 1993, the list of companies that allowed domestic partners of the same sex to share benefits included Microsoft, Apple, HBO, Warner Bros., and Borders. By 2007, gay couples who wanted to get married at Disneyland were free to purchase the Fairy Tale Wedding package….

And so a social institution took hold: first among gays themselves, then in the larger community and marketplace. Finally the government took notice.

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The real reason for the court to invalidate the law would be that it supposedly has no rational basis and is born of “animus” toward gays. This is the brief against Proposition 8, which was struck down by a federal appellate court, the famously activist Ninth Circuit, on grounds that it has no “legitimate reason.”

In this view, the promoters of Proposition 8 came up with a definition of marriage that has stood for centuries in the West and is endorsed by every major religion simply as an imaginative way to stick it to gay people. Every serious contender in the Democratic presidential primary in 2008, including Barack Obama, supported this same definition, presumably also out of the same simmering hostility to gays.

Supporters of traditional marriage believe that the institution exists as an expression of society’s interest in children’s being raised by their biological fathers and mothers. You can say that this understanding is dated, given what has become of marriage the past 40 years. You can say that it is too pinched, given evolving mores. You can’t say it is inherently hateful.

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As the Supreme Court begins to hear oral arguments in cases involving two high-profile laws to do with same-sex marriage – California’s Proposition 8 and the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act -53 percent of Americans think it should be legal for same-sex couples to marry, while 39 percent say it should not be legal.

Although public opinion on this topic has been consistent for the last few months, it has reversed markedly from as recently as a year ago. In May 2012, just after President Barack Obama announced his support for same-sex marriage, 51 percent of Americans said it should not be legal for same-sex couples to marry…

Politically, most Democrats (63 percent) and independents (56 percent) favor legalization of same-sex marriage, while most Republicans (56 percent) do not. Still, support for same-sex marriage among Republicans has increased from just 13 percent in May 2012 (after the President announced his support of same-sex marriage) to 37 percent today.

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Via PRRI.

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For right now, it is probably best to treat the question of whether a majority of Americans support same-sex marriage as having an ambiguous answer. Polls are on the verge of saying that they do, but the ballot results are more equivocal.

By 2016, however, voters in 32 states would be willing to vote in support of same-sex marriage, according to the model. And by 2020, voters in 44 states would do so, assuming that same-sex marriage continues to gain support at roughly its previous rate.

Thus, even if one prudently assumes that support for same-sex marriage is increasing at a linear rather than accelerated pace, and that same-sex marriage will not perform quite as well at the ballot booth as in national polls of all adults, the steady increase in support is soon likely to outweigh all other factors. In fact, even if the Supreme Court decision or some other contingency freezes opinion among current voters, support for same-sex marriage would continue to increase based on generational turnover, probably enough that it would narrowly win a national ballot referendum by 2016. It might require a religious revival among the youngest generation of Americans to reverse the trend.

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The pace of American acceptance of same-sex marriage rights in the course of less than a decade is staggering. Does anyone doubt that a gay marriage ban, passed by popular vote in California in 2008, would be rejected today by a resounding majority? A national consensus is forming, albeit at varying rates depending on the region, around the notion that denying gay Americans the rights that straight Americans enjoy is anathema. A Supreme Court decision which imposes this notion on the groups and individuals who continue to oppose same-sex marriage rights will give them a grievance to rally around. They will be handed their own injustice and become convinced of their own martyrdom. Such a decision would prolong the conflict that same-sex marriage poses today which, if left to state and national legislatures to remedy, would be a relic of the past in short order.

For gay couples who believe that even one more day is too long to have to wait to have access to the rights that straight couples enjoy, you’re right. But the consequences of imposing this value on the nation’s recalcitrant traditionalists by judicial fiat, if history is any guide, will do the cause of marriage equality far more harm than good.

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LOPEZ: If the Supreme Court overturns DOMA and throws out Proposition 8, what will it mean for marriage? What would it mean for religious liberty?

GALLAGHER: It means the Supreme Court takes away the core civil rights of 7 million Californians to vote on the marriage question. It shuts down the question democratically (and also shuts out therefore the religious-liberty provisions that have accompanied most gay-marriage laws in the states). It means our traditional understanding of marriage, cross-cultural and historical, but including the vision of Genesis, will be redefined as bigotry. And marriage will be undefined in a new way. What is marriage? Why is the law involved in marriage? Why only two people? Why not close relatives too old to produce children? All these questions, which have clear answers in our classic understanding of marriage, become unclear and undefined. The answers we will come up with in the future are no longer certain. I suspect the strongest result will be a renewed push to get government out of the marriage business altogether, and Left and Right will come together to complete the de-institutionalization of marriage.

The feminist radical proposal of my youth in the Seventies will become the conservative orthodoxy of my middle age!

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I’ve never understood how anyone who spent the past four-plus years lamenting the size of government could then argue for its increase by inviting it into the discussion of marriage. We complain about government in health care, we complain about government in education, we complain about government regulating soft drink size, but suddenly some of us have no problem with more government in people’s relationships with one another. Marriage is a covenant between a man, woman, and God before God on His terms. It is a religious civil liberty, not a right granted by government. It should never have been regulated by government in the first place, and government shouldn’t have an expanded reach in further regulating it now. There is no allowance constitutionally that invites our government to define the religious covenant of marriage.

I’ve no issue with same sex couples entering into contractual agreements with each other or sharing benefits (the military decisions should be made by those with the credit of service day in and day out, not civilian advocacy groups). Isn’t that the goal of this conflict? If so, to me, that’s an issue separate from marriage. In suing over “marriage” itself one is demanding that God change His definition of the union between a man and a woman. If recognition of status, ease with other contractual obligations, and other issues are the issues, why the need to force people of faith to alter recognition of God’s Word on the matter? The people may bend as reeds to lawfare, but God will not. Frankly, I see no point in being on any side other than God’s on any matter, and God is more small government than any player in the scene.

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[T]his is a landmark victory for the forces of staid, bourgeois sexual morality. Once gays can marry, they’ll be expected to marry. And to buy sensible, boring cars that are good for car seats. I believe we’re witnessing the high water mark for “People should be able to do whatever they want, and it’s none of my business.” You thought the fifties were conformist? Wait until all those fabulous “confirmed bachelors” and maiden schoolteachers are expected to ditch their cute little one-bedrooms and join the rest of America in whining about crab grass, HOA restrictions, and the outrageous fees that schools want to charge for overnight soccer trips.

I know, it feels like we’re riding an exciting wave away from the moral dark ages and into the bright, judgement free future. But moral history is not a long road down which we’re all marching; it’s more like a track. Maybe you change lanes a bit, but you generally end up back where you started. Sometimes you’re on the licentious, “anything goes” portion near the bleachers, and sometimes you’re on the straight-and-narrow prudish bit in front of the press box. Most of the time you’re in between. But you’re still going in circles. Victorian morality was an overreaction to the rather freewheeling period which proceeded it, which was itself an overreaction to Oliver Cromwell’s puritanism…

Of course, predictions are hard, especially about the future. Nonetheless, here is mine: whatever the Supreme Court decides, gay marriage will soon be legal throughout the land. But this will not mean that we drive ever onwards towards greater sexual freedom–rather, it will mean quite the reverse. The sexual revolution is over. And the revolutionaries lost.

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Via Mediaite.


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Okay, I’m lost. How do “milk duds” equate to pennies in the piggy bank?

You pay him to do that? O_o.

wolly4321 on March 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:04 PM

He does indeed, and he tempts those on both the left and the right, and that is just the way he likes it!

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM

The devil isn’t an ugly mean scary monster, he is a kindly, soft spoken and every so reasonable individual. He laughs and cries, he offers people their greatest desires, and he delivers on those desires, for a time. He compromises and negotiates, he wears fine clothing and never offends.

He doesn’t have to push or threaten, because he already owns the souls of most people, all he has to do is keep you from following Jesus Christ, from obeying God.

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Or those stupid red and pink equal signs that some people are rushing to put up as their FB avatar because they support “equality” in marriage. I don’t respond to peer pressure. At freaking all.

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 11:14 PM

I just love it that it is usually the idiots that don’t pay any attention to politics. Wouldn’t even know who the Vice President is, but because SSM is cool and nice to support they are jumping on the band wagon.

melle1228 on March 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Alternate QOTD topic: my little one had first poops in the potty today. discuss.

Jackalope on March 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Congrats to your little one. A big milestone. Please refrain from bronzing. ;)

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 11:17 PM

They throw them back in the water where I come from, just saying!

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:14 PM

You drown lesbians? Where the hell do you live, Salem Ma. ?

katy the mean old lady on March 26, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Debbie Does Democrats!!
(sarc)

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Debbie wasa…uh..something shittes?

She can have the Dems..

Again and again..

Electrongod on March 26, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I almost chocked to death! (:->)

choked?…chocked?…oh oh!

KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Same-sex marriage is very new. I think it was first adopted in The Netherlands in 2000. So there isn’t a lot of data about its effect. And it may turn out to be a — a good thing; it may turn out not to be a good thing, as the supporters of Proposition 8 apparently believe.

excerpt: Justice Samuel Alito

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The Netherlands has been the European center of Godless hedonism for . . . . . . . I d’know ….. ever ?

That’s all one needs to know, to understand why they were FIRST.
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Those of us who’ve read the Christian Bible know exactly what God thinks of “sodomy”, never mind “gay marriage”.
But even if you have never heard of Christianity, or any other religion … you still understand that homosexuality is ABNORMAL, because it’s SELF EVIDENT.

“Self evident” needs no explanation.

listens2glenn on March 26, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:13 PM

That made me think of that fish that can change it sex, you know the one that if it gets trapped in a pool of all one sex some switch to propagate the species, oh wait, nature’s law(ie; natural law) not aloud in the discussion;

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Lol, I’m a ridiculously proud mama!

Jackalope on March 26, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Congrats! Those are huge milestones!!! Celebrate them!! ;-).

KCB on March 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Well, OK, parental pride and all, but those are probably just little tiny rabbit-type stepping stones . . .

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Chaz Bono update:
Chaz lost a total of 43 pounds. Now Chaz can finally look down and see his pe- oh darn, Chaz only chopped off his breasts and still has a biscuit. Oh Chaz….

GhoulAid on March 26, 2013 at 11:21 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

As a Jooo girl, I don’t believe in satan-but I’m a big believer in G-d giving us free-will. Just because one CAN do something-doesn’t mean that one SHOULD do something.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2013 at 11:21 PM

katy the mean old lady on March 26, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Now that was funny:) No we throw blue gill back;)

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:21 PM

No responses yet to SW’s link .. Yet !
Hey, we do as we can, and shouts out to our HA buds who find these goodies when we can’t/don’t.

pambi on March 26, 2013 at 11:13 PM

My articles seem to have that effect, I suspect that most people who read them figure that I am crazy… Oh well, what are ya gonna do… ;p

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.

portlandon on March 26, 2013 at 10:42 PM

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No I’m not.

listens2glenn on March 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

I just love it that it is usually the idiots that don’t pay any attention to politics. Wouldn’t even know who the Vice President is, but because SSM is cool and nice to support they are jumping on the band wagon.

melle1228 on March 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Exactly. One acquaintance of mine is a little mixed up, though — she’s opinionated to begin with, and she recently wrote that the “assault weapon” legislation in Colorado was a step in the right direction, yet she claims to be a Libertarian. Sounds like classic nanny-state Liberalism to me. I’m sure she pays just enough attention to politics to confuse herself.

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM

My articles seem to have that effect, I suspect that most people who read them figure that I am crazy… Oh well, what are ya gonna do… ;p

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Continue to write and confirm their suspicions. :)

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:24 PM

NEWSFLASH:

Sodom and GoMoreAh DA Weighs In!
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San Francisco District Attorney’s Office ·
6 minutes ago ·

DA GASCÓN STATEMENT ON SUPREME COURT MARRIAGE EQUALITY CASES
*****************************************************************

“The time is now for our country to affirm that a person has a fundamental right to marry whom they love and have equal protections under the Constitution.

We are proud San Franciscans today for our role in the biggest civil rights issue of our time beginning in 2004 when then Mayor Gavin Newsom led the nation by allowing same sex couples to marry. The marriage equality movement was further shaped by City Attorney Dennis Herrera’s lawsuit to strike down a state ban on gay marriage.

Nine years later on this historic day, I stand with the majority of Americans who believe discrimination on any level is not who we are as a nation. I remain hopeful that the Supreme Court will move us toward the side of history that we can be proud of.
===

https://www.facebook.com/SFDistrictAttorney/posts/445950688819638

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Our Constitution doesn’t say anything about marriage, doesn’t approve of or disapprove gay marriage either. Or any other personal issue.

That’s what the states are for.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Speakup on March 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Canopfor where have you been hiding today?

cmsinaz on March 26, 2013 at 10:55 PM

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On one of the three or other “gay” threads.

listens2glenn on March 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

As a Jooo girl, I don’t believe in satan-but I’m a big believer in G-d giving us free-will. Just because one CAN do something-doesn’t mean that one SHOULD do something.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Well, the Devil certainly does believe in you, he has even made reservations for you in his house. I, personally, would cancel those reservation, if I were you.

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:24 PM

*clink*

Electrongod on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Continue to write and confirm their suspicions. :)

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Sounds like a plan to me… ;)

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

By 2007, gay couples who wanted to get married at Disneyland were free to purchase the Fairy Tale Wedding package….

Because you know in the battle for ‘civil rights” this is what was important..

melle1228 on March 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Monitor lizards and pot plants can change sex too.

just sayin’

wolly4321 on March 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Agreed, that horns and pitchfork thing really got it wrong, which gives people a false impression, that said, I am weary on excesses on both sides, because not to long ago, I wasn’t allowed to hold public office, nor considered a christian for that matter, all in the name of religion, so some cynicism dies hard, but you know me well enough on how I feel, second and third order effects my friend, they haven’t a clue. I like Lockes teaching on the rights of man and morals, though I have a Jefferson Bible that calls out all the lessons of the great teacher:)

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Debbie wasa…uh..something shittes?

She can have the Dems..

Again and again..

Electrongod on March 26, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Electrongod:For some reason,I`m thinking of WaterGate!:)

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Well, the Devil certainly does believe in you, he has even made reservations for you in his house. I, personally, would cancel those reservation, if I were you.

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Or he’ll teet that she was a no-show. The shame!

katy the mean old lady on March 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Spent almost 16 years as a Christian. My mother’s death was what brought me ‘home’. I was born a Jew-and someday I’ll die as one.
*Not trying to be confrontational.*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

The idea that gay marriage would initiate a new Victorian morality is the most myopically f’n damn stupid thing I’ve read… based off of nothing but false hope.

ninjapirate on March 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Dire Straits:Evening as well Dire:)

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Thanks L2G

I haven’t been thru all of them

cmsinaz on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Does a poll asking about the legalization of same sex marriage have any meaning when the pollsters apparently have no clue that it is already legal?

besser tot als rot on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.

portlandon on March 26, 2013 at 10:42 PM

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No I’m not.

listens2glenn on March 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

…I support whoever is gay at my workplace…but they know…it is only on one day of the week and it is ONLY on Wednesday!…and only because it is hump day!

KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Hey DS
:)

cmsinaz on March 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Softly, shyly, morning dew
Lingering, tingling, daybreak true
Lighting, frightening, crash at dawn
Slowing, glowing, love withdrawn

Agony, malody, carry on
Repentance, radiance, anger gone
Lightly, nightly, embrace new
Moonlight, midnight, clutching you

Rusty Allen on March 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Electrongod:For some reason,I`m thinking of WaterGate!:)

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

:)
Debbie wasaman shittes..or shiults..

Whatever..

I call her poodle head…

Electrongod on March 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

wolly4321 on March 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

oysters too, forgot them, I love science, can’t wait for retirement, I am going to build Hobbit man cave with a top window for astronomy, and use it to pursue my other observations of nature:)

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.Gay.

portlandon on March 26, 2013 at 10:42 PM

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No I’m not.

listens2glenn
on March 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

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…I support whoever is gay at my workplace…but they know…it is only on one day of the week and it is ONLY on Wednesday!…and only because it is hump day!

KOOLAID2
on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

.
Good night, everybody !

listens2glenn on March 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Spent almost 16 years as a Christian. My mother’s death was what brought me ‘home’. I was born a Jew-and someday I’ll die as one.
*Not trying to be confrontational.*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Not trying to be confrontational either, but how did your mother’s death lead you to stop believing in the divinity of Christ? Just curious.

steebo77 on March 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Spent almost 16 years as a Christian. My mother’s death was what brought me ‘home’. I was born a Jew-and someday I’ll die as one.
*Not trying to be confrontational.*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Never forget, Jesus Christ was Jewish, he never renounced Judaism, he never stopped being a Jew. The Apostles were all Jewish, they like Christ never stopped being Jewish. There is a misconception that if a Jewish person becomes a Christian that they stop being Jewish, that is not true.

I’m not trying to be confrontational either, just stating what I believe.

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Quotes of the day
posted at 10:41 pm on March 26, 2013 by Allahpundit…Marriage

In my life, “marriage” has been an adult life-long affair. As in–going on 38 years. We’ve a kid to prove it. Born to us, by us.

How about all the ‘supreme’ beings in this country simply cut-to-the chase and take marriage OUT of government. Problem solved.

They won’t, of course, lest their very import be questioned/damned.

jersey taxpayer on March 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Speakup on March 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Some amendments are more equal than others. 19th, sacrosanct. 1st, 2nd, 4th, 10th, and 22nd, not so much.

wolfsDad on March 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM

listens2glenn on March 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Goodnight.. Have a gay night. :)

melle1228 on March 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Are gay couples okay with the IMF seizing thier bank accounts, too?

Bread and circuses.

wolly4321 on March 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM

…I support whoever is gay at my workplace…but they know…it is only on one day of the week and it is ONLY on Wednesday!…and only because it is hump day!

KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

At my workplace we have casual Fridays..

What an awakening I got..
When Friday came around..
It it happened within a week..

:)

Electrongod on March 26, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Electrongod on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

*clink*..:)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:38 PM

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Oh, good Lord, Almighty … Being blinded by those thangs !!
Helps me pick out the deluded, at least.
Le sigh.

I’ve only responded with SW’s link, tho not as a comment to those obnoxious ‘flags’.
God help us all.

pambi on March 26, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Dire…

KCB on March 26, 2013 at 11:39 PM

wolly4321 on March 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM

You my friend are right, which is why i keep asking, why is this a Federal issue, when we have things that the Federal government are actually responsible for aren’t getting done, oh wait, I know, because Don Henley had a song that was right and they are the reason this matters!

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Hotair has gay day Sunday-Saturday.

Rusty Allen on March 26, 2013 at 11:40 PM

cmsinaz on March 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Helo.:):)

S..Is anyone worried about the economy??!!??..:(

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

I love Scalia.. He tore Ted Olson up…

melle1228 on March 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Canopfor where have you been hiding today?

cmsinaz on March 26, 2013 at 10:55 PM

cmsinaz: I gots on,a bit late today—————–:o

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

KCB on March 26, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

I am, but I don’t count, so hey, I will watch from my country garden in the shade, because it is business as usual;)

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Hotair has gay day Sunday-Saturday.

Rusty Allen on March 26, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Because Gay is popular today..

Tomorrow..
Gay..

But after that..

children….
or…
EBTs.

Funding..
You name it..

Electrongod on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

wolly4321 on March 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM

You my friend are right, which is why i keep asking, why is this a Federal issue, when we have things that the Federal government are actually responsible for aren’t getting done, oh wait, I know, because Don Henley had a song that was right and they are the reason this matters!

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Is the head dead yet? You know, the boys in the newsroom got a. Running bet. Get the widow on the set!

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

cmsinaz on March 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Hello.:):)

PS..Is anyone worried about the economy??!!??..:(

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Fixed..)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Agreed..I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Yes, hopefully you caught the other reference in my response to Dire, sure you know who it is;)

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2013 at 11:21 PM

ATW, love you to pieces, but how does a Jew NOT believe in the devil, since Job is I the OT ?
Serious question .. Really wonder.

P.S. free-willer, here, too. :-)

pambi on March 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

cmsinaz on March 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Hello.:):)

PS..Is anyone worried about the economy??!!??..:(

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Fixed..)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Quit worrying, the economy is “Fabulous“…

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Astronomy. it’ll keep you up at night. I dabble here in AZ. Clean sky.

wolly4321 on March 26, 2013 at 11:46 PM

I just write poems

Rusty Allen on March 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Just terrific,the SCOTUS Building got Holographed!!

rachnyctalk Rach & Jen 17m

@MaddowBlog Newsflash!

This just happened at SCOTUS. Managed to capture pic before cops intervened! #marriageequality pic.twitter.com/nwqojdpoIh
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https://twitter.com/rachnyctalk/status/316752701369225217/photo/1

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Can I get that in writing;)

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Fixed..)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

:)

No need to fix..

What’s an “L” between friends…

Electrongod on March 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

That made me think of that fish that can change it sex, you know the one that if it gets trapped in a pool of all one sex some switch to propagate the species, oh wait, nature’s law(ie; natural law) not aloud in the discussion;

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Two hundred years from now, a brilliant young woman from my family line will develop a mathematically rigorous model of the human mind. Not a map of the brain, but a model that accurately represents the mind. She will run tests against predictions and confirm it every way she knows how; it will revolutionize the medical practice of mental health.

Along with everything else, inferring the cause of same-sex attraction will be nothing; and inferring the simple correction will be nothing. From her work, no more men will have to die young or be pushed around by a compulsive and destructive sexuality that they never asked for and wouldn’t choose.

Couple problems. She can’t publish her papers because they say the wrong things. They jerk her research funding because her research is “illegitimate.” People come to her lab and collect her data so the DA can make up her mind whether or not to prosecute my descendent for hate crime.

What’s the difference between the future we’re handing her and the largely mythological dark ages? The black robes incorporate synthetic fiber? They look the same to me.

I know, it feels like we’re riding an exciting wave away from the moral dark ages and into the bright, judgement free future.

Reason is bleeding on the ground. MarshFox, my religion comes into this, but it comes into it in a different place. I sought God because I wanted the truth. I accidentally fell in love with it. He was there, I was happy, and even bolder about it. It was science or engineering. I went with application . . .

. . . not. about. a. bible. verse. :)

I don’t think people realize what they are doing.

/just talking

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

wolly4321 on March 26, 2013 at 11:46 PM

It will, but when sharing it with a loved one, either wife or grandchildren, nieces, nephews, its awesome:) Cody Lundin’s home state, love his house in the desert, going to use some of that technology for my retirement and hunting places:)

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Quit worrying, the economy is “Fabulous“…

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

SWalker:Absolutely,…(sarc):)
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Theme from Absolutely Fabulous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ofRApquSbw

canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Got to go folks..
The wife has turned on the projector…

And is schooling me on the cost of the bulb per hour that I am on the computer..

She has a spreadsheet!! Graphs….

Anyway..

I Love her..

Take care..

Tomorrow…

Electrongod on March 26, 2013 at 11:52 PM

/just talking

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Heavy stuff, Axe. Love reading your stuff.

Cleombrotus on March 26, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Or those stupid red and pink equal signs that some people are rushing to put up as their FB avatar because they support “equality” in marriage. I don’t respond to peer pressure. At freaking all.

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 11:14 PM

I logged onto facebook tonight and those are all over.

I’m so sick of gay marriage I could scream.

gophergirl on March 26, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Softly, shyly, morning dew
Lingering, tingling, daybreak true
Lighting, frightening, crash at dawn
Slowing, glowing, love withdrawn

Agony, malody, carry on
Repentance, radiance, anger gone
Lightly, nightly, embrace new
Moonlight, midnight, clutching you

Rusty Allen on March 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Freaking brilliant.

You should be shopping your stuff to markets at this point. Or thinking about it.

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:53 PM

I love Scalia.. He tore Ted Olson up…

melle1228 on March 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Common sense has sharp points.

INC on March 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM

In early March, Mark Steyn wrote:

What’s weird about all this is that, around the world, supposedly free peoples are happy to accord the bench (even a bench whose arguments are as incoherent as the Ottawa guys’) a monopoly power on all the great questions of the age. Even as every other societal institution in the West — church, monarchy — has lost authority, blokes in black robes have accrued more and more. South of the border, Paul Mirengoff has a post today on what he calls “the Supreme Court’s empire” — i.e., the notion that five judges have the power to redefine marriage. Which, in effect, means an institution that predates the United States by several millennia will be defined for a third of a billion people by whichever way Anthony Kennedy feels like swingin’ that morning. The universal deference to judicial supremacism is bizarre and unbecoming to a free people.

Today Steyn quotes from another post by Mirengoff:

The fact that the Supreme Court may be about to pass judgment on the age-old definition of marriage is the reductio ad absurdum of American constitutional jurisprudence. That we have reached this point tells us that the Supreme Court has taken some terribly wrong turns.

Not just SCOTUS, but many, many others.

INC on March 26, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Otay,I`m all Gay`d Out,catch y`àll peeps tommorrow,
for another Soap Opera,

as the Gay World Turns!!

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canopfor on March 26, 2013 at 11:55 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Can I get that in writing;)

MarshFox on March 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Sure, but it’s got Barack Obama’s signature on it… O_O

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:56 PM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

And/or believing that the Sacrifice WAS sufficient.

pambi on March 26, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

G’even Dire. Sorry. I was venting. It’s been a totally gay day, everywhere. TV, news, Twitter, here.

You know, this lab could seriously use some nice throw pillows. 30% off at Joann’s this week. What do you think –

O NO

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Here’s a question:

If I would have been allowed to invest every penny put in to SS in to gold or silver instead, would my wealth be greater?

Someone should develope a calculater to illustrate it.

wolly4321 on March 27, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Hello.:):)

PS..Is anyone worried about the economy??!!??..:(

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Screw the economy… Don’t you know some people can’t marry the ones that they love..? Who cares if a lot of people don’t have jobs or something..

And with that Good night Hotair. See you tomorrow, same gay time, same gay channel.

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Good night folks..

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 12:03 AM

“Can gay marriage survive a SCOTUS loss?”

Politico, 26 March 2013

Yes. When the Supreme Court denied cert in Baker v Nelson in 1971 relative to the refusal of Minnesota to issue a marriage licence to two men and said that marriage was a state issue, that act didn’t kill the movements to end sodomy laws and legitimise same-sex marriage (SSM). A refusal by the Court to recognise that SSM is a fundamental right will likewise not kill the SSM movement, which has been making great strides at the state level in the last 2 years. Prop 8 would be defeated today at the ballot box.

In 1883, the Supreme Court affirmed that Alabama’s anti-miscegenation statute was constitutional and interracial marriage was strictly prohibited. Eighty-four years later, Mildred Loving, a black woman, and Richard Loving, a white man, got married in Washington, DC, and moved to Virginia where they were promptly arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to a year in jail. Their case Loving v Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967), not only blew the disgusting piece of shyt, Pace v Alabama, 106 U.S. 583 (1883), to KKK Hell, it also established that marriage was a fundamental right.

In 1986, the Supreme Court in Bowers v Hardwick, 478 U.S. 186, upheld criminal sodomy laws. Seventeen years later, in Lawrence v Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), it struck ALL sodomy laws between consenting adults down…and Scalia wrote in his dissent that the case made SSM “inevitable.”

As I said earlier, the Court denied cert – basically, talk to the hand and don’t let the door hit you on the way out – in 1971 on an issue involving SSM. Today, it listened to oral arguments in Hollingsworth v Perry. Tomorrow, it will listen to oral arguments in United States v Windsor.

In listening to the arguments today, I heard a lot of Ginsburgism in the questions today, i.e., it is better to leave questions of great import that will drastically transform society to the people and the states rather than have a Court impose its view on over 310 million people. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has said that she believes the case was an unforced error made by her predecessors on the Court, who “mistimed the milestone 1973 Roe v Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), case that legalised abortion nationwide.” Abortion laws were becoming more lax across the country – Ronald Reagan had legalised abortion in California in 1967. At the time of Roe, abortion was legal on request in four states, allowed under limited circumstances in about 16 others, and outlawed under nearly all circumstances in the other states, including Texas – where the Roe case originated. Justice Ginsburg has stated, alluding to the four decades of bitter acrimony that has persisted in the wake of the Roe decision, that it might have been the wiser course of action and more prudent for the sake of popular comity “if the justices of that era had delayed hearing any abortion case while the state-by-state process evolved. Alternatively, they could have struck down just the Texas law, which allowed abortions only to save a mother’s life, without declaring a right to privacy that legalized the procedure nationwide.”

“It’s not that the judgment was wrong, but it moved too far too fast. The court made a decision that made every abortion law in the country invalid, even the most liberal. We’ll never know whether I’m right or wrong … things might have turned out differently if the court had been more restrained. The right to abortion might have been more secure had it been grounded in the concept of women’s right to equality rather than in the right to privacy. The Roe decision might have been less of a storm center had it homed in more precisely on the women’s-equality dimension of the issue.”

- Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Columbia Law School, 10 February 2012

Instead of letting the people come to some accommodation and decision on their own, 9 unelected, unaccountable men with lifetime positions issued a one-size-fits-all edict and split the country in half to this day. I think that many on the Court are leery about repeating this, especially on an issue as emotional and charged as SSM and in the wake of the Obamacare decision.

As an aside, at the time that Roe was handed down, Justice Ginsburg believed that the case and the issue of abortion were about population control, not “choice”…not “privacy.” She has admitted this.

For years, I have predicted that Prop 8 and the DOMA case would be the vehicles that the Court would use to overturn all SSM bans with Justice Kennedy writing for the 5/4 (maybe 6/3) majority on the basis on his strong libertarian-bent and his two majority opinions in Romer v Evans, 517 U.S. 620 (1996), and Lawrence v Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), but then, a few weeks ago, I seemed to notice a tell. He was out in California making a speech when he said something that was not noticed by many, but was very profound considering what was on the docket:

“A democracy should not be dependent for its major decisions on what nine unelected people from a narrow legal background have to say. And I think it’s of tremendous importance for our political system to show the rest of the world – and we have to show ourselves first – that democracy works because we can reach agreement on a principle basis.”

- Justice Anthony Kennedy, 7 March 2013

I can see him possibly being the 5th vote to strike down DOMA because marriage is a state issue, but I don’t think he is going to be the 5th vote to strike down all SSM bans and I also see him going as narrowly as possible.

I thought that Roberts might be a 5th, but I doubt it now. He said today:

“If you tell a child that somebody has to be their friend, I suppose you can force the child to say ‘this is my friend,’ but it changes the definition of what it means to be a friend. And that’s, it seems to me, what opponents of Proposition 8 are saying here. All you’re interested in is the label, and you insist on changing the definition of the label.”

— Chief Justice John Roberts

Of course, there is ONE VERY BIG CAVEAT with CJ Roberts: He DOES have a habit of changing definition at the last minute. A “penalty” became a “tax.” So, a “friend” could become a “spouse.” In the end, who knows?

Another interesting person was Sotomayor. Many keep saying “people should be able to marry whomever they love.” She didn’t seem persuaded by that argument, not because she doesn’t “believe in love,” but sees it as a slippery slope. If a man and an underage boy, who is really mature even though he is unable to purchase a car because he is as yet the age of majority to enter a contract, are really, really, really in love, should they be allowed to marry? If a happily married, heterosexual couple fall in love with a man, should they be able to marry him? Can a devout Muslim marry 3 wives, if they all really, really, really love one another? If members of some breakaway Mormon sect all really, really, really love each other, should they all be permitted to marry each other?

Don’t get me wrong about Sotomayor: She will vote to overturn all SSM bans, but I think she is giving you some advice. Be careful with the “No matter who you love” stuff. Obama uses that line a lot. I realise that most are referring to SSM, but an acquaintance of mine, who is a nationally-recognised constitutional law expert and professor is watching these cases closely because he represents the sister wives people out in Utah or Nevada wherever the weirdos are located. He’s going in for polygamy as soon as SSM is held legal.

Resist We Much on March 27, 2013 at 12:03 AM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

lolz..Another bubble is getting ready to pop!!..:(

Dire Straits on March 27, 2013 at 12:04 AM

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM
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As a Jooo girl, I don’t believe in satan-but I’m a big believer in G-d giving us free-will. Just because one CAN do something-doesn’t mean that one SHOULD do something.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2013 at 11:21 PM

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Well, the Devil certainly does believe in you, he has even made reservations for you in his house. I, personally, would cancel those reservation, if I were you.

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM
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Spent almost 16 years as a Christian. My mother’s death was what brought me ‘home’. I was born a Jew-and someday I’ll die as one.
*Not trying to be confrontational.*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

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Never forget, Jesus Christ was Jewish, he never renounced Judaism, he never stopped being a Jew. The Apostles were all Jewish, they like Christ never stopped being Jewish. There is a misconception that if a Jewish person becomes a Christian that they stop being Jewish, that is not true.

I’m not trying to be confrontational either, just stating what I believe.

SWalker on March 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

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Actually, it’s the other way around ….. if a Gentile accepts Jesus as Lord, he/she becomes Jewish.
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Uhhh, ‘twerp ….. who spoke to Eve through that snake? ….. who is being described in Isaiah 14:12-20 ? ….. who is the “Adversary” in Job?

Also, if you ever stopped being “confrontational” we wouldn’t love you, anymore.

listens2glenn on March 27, 2013 at 12:04 AM

PS..Is anyone worried about the economy??!!??..:(

Dire Straits on March 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

I am

SparkPlug on March 27, 2013 at 12:04 AM

The economy sucks like the squeaky door on a bird cage that hasn’t been opened for a while.

SparkPlug on March 27, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Nothing you have said Axe’s offends me in the least or goes contradictory to my beliefs, mores the point your scenario is why this issue should not be where it is at, because those who are about to decide no matter the outcome, haven’t the right!

MarshFox on March 27, 2013 at 12:06 AM

wolly4321 on March 27, 2013 at 12:00 AM

I’ve been told that if you had invested just $2500 a year in a 5% interest bearing account from your 21st birthday until your retirement, you’d retire with over $400,000.00. And if you lived until you were 81 and had withdrawn only $50,000 a year to live on, you’d still have over $150,000.00 to leave to the heir of your choice.

Compare that to SS.

Cleombrotus on March 27, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Good night folks..

KCB on March 27, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Take care..

Electrongod on March 27, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Axe on March 26, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Sounds like a good plan..30% off is not bad either..:)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Obama has destroyed any hope for prosperity.

Liberals are lazy liars.

SparkPlug on March 27, 2013 at 12:07 AM

If our Supreme Court throws out Prop 8, thereby throwing out the millions of legal votes by American citizens, then the Supreme Court has – just as it has let the left trample our rights with Obamacare – proven its irrelevancy. They and the purpose for which they were formed, would be obsolete.

Sterling Holobyte on March 27, 2013 at 12:07 AM

melle1228 on March 27, 2013 at 12:00 AM

I hear you..We had all better start worrying..:)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2013 at 12:08 AM

steebo77 on March 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

After my mother died, I’d been leaning toward returning to the Tribe-but I realized that with her gone-if I DIDN’T return…Judaism for all tense and purposes would be dead in my family. My brother is an atheist married to a Wiccan, and half-breed Spawn identifies as Christian. Assimilation is accomplishing what Hitler couldn’t do. Judaism is disappearing. Judaism goes through the mother, so while Spawn is technically Jewish-his someday kids will only be Jewish if he marries a Jew. Well, I have a duty to share the faith /culture with those future grandchildren. i don’t believe in Jesus, heaven/hell etc because I am a Jewish woman. I’ve always been a Jew-even during those 16 years when I chose to deny it. I was born Jewish and I’ll die Jewish. I have a responsibility to my parents memory…and to those who died because they were Jews. That’s just the way it is.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM

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