Actually, “The Walking Dead” was pretty good last night

posted at 8:51 pm on March 25, 2013 by Allahpundit

Even a good “Walking Dead” has its bad moments. Michonne, for instance, remains a ridiculous character, the picture of defiant composure even while Merle was dragging her back towards Woodbury to be tortured and killed. Only in that nifty scene when she was tied to the wall with the car alarm ringing did she betray any fear. It’s fine to have John Wayne-ish superhero types who never lose their cool in a comic-book drama, but the rest of this show is supposed to be realistic. She’s two dimensions away from three-dimensional.

Merle’s transformation on the way back toward Woodbury wasn’t realistic either. Did I miss something or was it never quite explained why, and when, he decided to turn on the Governor? Did he plan that from the beginning of the episode last night — i.e. he was going to use Michonne as bait to lure the Governor and his men into an ambush? Or did Michonne talk him into it during the car ride by babbling about protecting Daryl and needling him about being the Governor’s lackey? The problem with the theory that Merle attacked the Governor’s men to try to save Daryl from an assault on the prison is that Merle and Daryl never seemed close. They spent the whole season trying to find each other and then they did, but there was never any fraternal affection between them. Watching Merle suddenly start shooting at the Governor was like watching Darth Vader throw the Emperor down the well without any of the preceding “I know there’s still good in you, father” rah-rah. And if Michonne did talk him into it in the car, that means Merle set out on the trip thinking he’d rendezvous amicably with the Governor while handing her over to him. But why would he think that? The Governor tried to feed him and Daryl to zombies. Why wouldn’t the Governor have just shot Merle on the spot during the prisoner exchange and then taken Michonne captive?

Anyway, still a good episode. Rick’s moral dilemma on whether to hand her over before emerging as zombieworld’s Cincinnatus was a rare Rick-related plot line that didn’t bog down. The car-alarm scene was, as noted, pretty nifty. Merle’s ambush was exciting too; the show does a reliably good job of spiking the punch in gunfight sequences by tossing a bunch of zombies in the middle of them. (The ultimate examples in the zombie canon are the beginning and end of “Dawn of the Dead.”) And of course, having Daryl stumble upon zombie Merle was affecting, as that type of scene always is. They’ve tugged the “loved one discovers zombie loved one” heartstrings at least four times before, as I recall: In the very first episode, Morgan couldn’t bring himself to shoot his zombified wife (a decision he later regretted); Andrea watched her sister die and then delivered the coup de grace when she came back; Rick had to put little Sophia down after she emerged in undead form from Herschel’s barn; and the Governor kept his little zombie daughter chained up in a closet in the futile hope of somehow bringing her back to life. It’s an old trope of zombie horror (it’s the core conceit of “Pet Sematary,” although that’s technically not a zombie flick), but it always, always works. The Merle/Daryl scene was the best of them, I think, partly because Norman Reedus did such a nice job in playing it and partly because, as noted, it was the first moment of genuine emotion between the two of them. The way he puts Merle down rings true too. No crossbow this time. The killing had to be more personal and more violent than that to capture the mix of grief for, and rage at, his brother/tormentor.

Anyway, sorry to disappoint with the lack of grumbles this week. I’ll make up for it next week assuming the inevitable Glenn/Maggie wedding scene is as excruciating and unwatchable as we all expect.


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The problem with the theory that Merle attacked the Governor’s men to try to save Daryl from an assault on the prison is that Merle and Daryl never seemed close. They spent the whole season trying to find each other and then they did, but there was never any fraternal affection between them.

Allah, you’re not from the South, are you?

We see this every day in Texas. We will bleed and kill and die for our family, though you’d never know it when we’re together.

john1schn on March 25, 2013 at 8:55 PM

scary

SparkPlug on March 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM

At that range, the 5.56 round would have zipped through that kid and through the Governor too.

Last episode the Governor had more tracking skills than any ten Indian scouts, and took out a dozen zombies hand to hand no problem.

I’m having a hard time swallowing how superhuman they’ve made that character.

Rebar on March 25, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Spoiler alert!

Starting with “Clear,” the show’s actually been on a bit of a hot streak.

Tom_Shipley on March 25, 2013 at 9:04 PM

You know, the show being human has zombies in it and that show is actually good.

jhffmn on March 25, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Wifie and I got a kick out of how Glen picked out Maggie’s engagement ring.

“yes, I’ll marry you, but first will you pick the green skin out of the diamond setting?”

kurtzz3 on March 25, 2013 at 9:05 PM

I never understood the reasoning behind turning her over to be tortured and killed. It was a given that at most it might buy them some time though the Gov’s plan was to kill them all as soon as he had Michonne. History is filled with these awful examples where the bad guy demands a sacrifice and it never ends up well or saving the others. Plus, Michonne was an excellent fighter. I didn’t like that Rick made the decision to have her killed on his own. I would never trust him again. And when he did confide in others, it was only the men (except Glenn), who were also aholes. I won’t get into how immoral it was.

DOWN WITH RICK!

On an up note, loved on Merle pretended to give the zombie whiskey. lol!

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:08 PM

As for Merle, his turnaround came when the governor turned on him. Merle is loyal as a dog, but if you show disloyalty to him, he’ll give it to you in spades. His final act was the redemption he never sought, but earned anyway.

john1schn on March 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Ironic that it took a racist like Merle to make Michonne likeable.

RIP Merle. You almost had the Governor if it wasn’t for that idiot Ben.

sentinelrules on March 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM

To those of you who have seen next week’s exciting preview: what’s behind the door?

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Michonne, for instance, remains a ridiculous character, the picture of defiant composure even while Merle was dragging her back towards Woodbury to be tortured and killed.

Interesting. I had the same thoughts about that.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Michael Rooker is a grizzly looking guy in character, but when you see him live on Talking Dead, he does not look 57. He also owns a shooting range outside LA and is a big gun enthusiast. Is it too much for me to hope that he is a conservative?? I haven’t found anything exposing his political leanings which is admiral by itself.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I don’t think Allah quite understands what speculative fiction is all about. These characters are all archetypes that allow us to explore a set of relationships that are metaphors for contemporary political, economic and social relations. So for example, Michonne and Andrea’s relationship was a fascinating study in the relationships between white and black feminism. Andrea strikes out on her own, avoiding the patriarchy of Ricand she forms a symbiotic relationahip with Michonne, the ultimate loner and outsider. Their partnership keeps them both alive until they arrive in Woodberry, which on its surface looks like Western modernity. Andrea, being a white woman, is almost immediately seduced, this looks like a place where she belongs. Michonne though gets it immediately, Woodberry isn’t for her after the apocalypse because it wasn’t for her before. But when she appeals to her “sister in the struggle” Andrea, Western modernity and its various comforts are far more attractive than independence from men. And thus we have the story of white feminists abandonment of black feminists kind of from the 19th century forward. The show isn’t about fleshed out characters, its a template to explore relationships on multiple registers.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

It was great what actor Michael Rooker said on TALKING DEAD last night after the WALKING DEAD episode where his character, Merle, was killed:

Rooker was asked if Merle’s heroic act to try and save the rest of his-and-brother’s-group represented “a new guy”…

Rooker answered, Merle “has always been that guy.”

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Anybody else notice that this picture is next to Bloomberg and looks just like him.

Rusty Allen on March 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I don’t think Allah quite understands what speculative fiction is all about.

He’s a 100 times smarter than you, toots.

Andrea, being a white woman, is almost immediately seduced, this looks like a place where she belongs.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

You racist, sexist pig.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM

…Andrea, being a white woman, is almost immediately seduced, this looks like a place where she belongs. Michonne though gets it immediately, Woodberry isn’t for her after the apocalypse because it wasn’t for her before. But when she appeals to her “sister in the struggle” Andrea, Western modernity and its various comforts are far more attractive than independence from men. And thus we have the story of white feminists abandonment of black feminists kind of from the 19th century forward. The show isn’t about fleshed out characters, its a template to explore relationships on multiple registers.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM


“Andrea, being a white woman, is almost immediately seduced”

What an insipid, cowardly and RACIST delusion.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:17 PM

AMC doesn’t know jack about marketing.

For example, that network could do some excellent cross-show promotion by having the Skylar White character from “Breaking Bad” make an appearance for a couple minutes, where she gets eaten by zombies. It would be a kind of “everybody wins” (except Skylar) situation, but I bet you those guys never even thought of it.

BCrago66 on March 25, 2013 at 9:18 PM

libfreeordie on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Well, please tell Michonne that her black feminism is slipping as she’s now “seduced” by Rick, Daryl, Herschel, and, yes, Carl, the White Male Inner Circle.

sentinelrules on March 25, 2013 at 9:18 PM

libfreeordie on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Sometimes a zombie show is just a zombie show.

kim roy on March 25, 2013 at 9:19 PM

If you can hotwire a car with one hand, you must be a Redneck.

Actor Michael Rooker commented about that, “and I also used my TEETH!”

More Redneck than Redneck.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Why wouldn’t the Governor have just shot Merle on the spot during the prisoner exchange and then taken Michonne captive?

The gov planned to kill them all. But, what makes you think Merle would have exchanged Michonne in a way that the Gov could shoot him?

Anyway, sorry to disappoint with the lack of grumbles this week.

Uh, where didn’t you grumble in your above screed?

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Hey, AP, why did Hot Air hide the last post about WALKING DEAD? It was removed from the story-line-up/s and I could only locate it again after commenting on it by doing a search for the topic.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Hey, AP, why did Hot Air hide the last post about WALKING DEAD? It was removed from the story-line-up/s and I could only locate it again after commenting on it by doing a search for the topic.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:21 PM

“The last post about WALKING DEAD,” meaning, the post about the Series from last week, the one about the episode before yesterday’s.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Well, please tell Michonne that her black feminism is slipping as she’s now “seduced” by Rick, Daryl, Herschel, and, yes, Carl, the White Male Inner Circle.

sentinelrules on March 25, 2013 at 9:18 PM

In the comics, she goes through the whole group.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:22 PM

“Pet Sematary,” although that’s technically not a zombie flick

I’d argue it’s a zombie flick, just not a zombie apocalypse flick.

John the Libertarian on March 25, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Merle dumped Michonne on the highway to get drunk or high. Then with the whiskey courage he wanted to take out the Governor. The booze made him do it. Even not having any for near 2 years one is always looking for that fix so much they rip up every bed in the jail looking for it.

The governor not shooting Merle in the head to kill him show just how evil he is as he wanted him to turn into a walker and not just kill him without dehumanizing him first.

Did not see Tyrese at the final battle but his two friends where and Ben is now dead so they introduced him to have him wait until the next season.

tjexcite on March 25, 2013 at 9:26 PM

The show isn’t about fleshed out characters

libfreeordie on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

No, it’s about flesh-eating zombies.

It must be hell to constantly look at life through such a tortured prism of race and victimhood. I’m guessing you’re a teacher of some sort, probably a university professor.

John the Libertarian on March 25, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Michonne, for instance, remains a ridiculous character, the picture of defiant composure even while Merle was dragging her back towards Woodbury to be tortured and killed.

Interesting. I had the same thoughts about that.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Where the character of Michonne was revealed as “ridiculous” to a great degree was not in the last Episode but in the one from two weeks ago where she and Carl and Rick go into that town that the now-nuts-Morgan is encamped.

Michonne, who has been a silent, glaring, butchering, seething cold sword-swinging fright for the entire Season, suddenly starts chirping silly comments while munching on Merle’s chips in his camp and swinging her feet like a little girl.

Being with the young Carl has somehow changed Frightful Michonne to such a degree that she’s now reverted to a sixteen year old skipping around?

I thought that sudden change in Michonne’s character was a big error by the Series, or else they’re just not paying attention to that character.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I liked the scenes where Merle and Michonne were in the car.

It was like a role reversal of “Driving Miss Daisy.”

Oh, and congrats to Herschel for accepting Glenn into his family He now has three daughters.

sentinelrules on March 25, 2013 at 9:30 PM

It looked as if the Woodbury group was about 30-40 people strong. But few of them were seasoned fighters. A number of the better ones, were recently killed. I wonder who the Gov left back at the town to keep Andrea and Milton in check?

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Merle dumped Michonne on the highway to get drunk or high. Then with the whiskey courage he wanted to take out the Governor. The booze made him do it. Even not having any for near 2 years one is always looking for that fix so much they rip up every bed in the jail looking for it.

you could be more wrong, but it’d be a challenge. Merle knew what he wanted to do, but knew that he’d probably die in the process. He deserved that drink.

The governor not shooting Merle in the head to kill him show just how evil he is as he wanted him to turn into a walker and not just kill him without dehumanizing him first.

He did it to piss off Daryl.

Did not see Tyrese at the final battle but his two friends where and Ben is now dead so they introduced him to have him wait until the next season.

tjexcite on March 25, 2013 at 9:26 PM

That wasn’t the final battle, and you should see him next week.

john1schn on March 25, 2013 at 9:33 PM

In the comics, she goes through the whole group.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Yeah, but they’ve strayed pretty far from the comic. The only character who’s even remotely like his comic counterpart is Rick, but then they haven’t really explored the Tyrese character. And as for Michonne, I’m not sure Danai Guria has the acting chops to pull off a romantic scene…

I’m curious and apprehensive about who they’re going to kill off next week. I’m sure several characters won’t make it to next season, and my biggest assumption was that Beth would take the place of Lori in a final siege (i.e. she’s shot holding the baby).

I’m not sure who else they can kill without it making a major impact on the arc of the show. Martinez or Sasha maybe, or possibly Herschel or Carol.

PetecminMd on March 25, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Merle dumped Michonne on the highway to get drunk or high. Then with the whiskey courage he wanted to take out the Governor. The booze made him do it. Even not having any for near 2 years one is always looking for that fix so much they rip up every bed in the jail looking for it.

The governor not shooting Merle in the head to kill him show just how evil he is as he wanted him to turn into a walker and not just kill him without dehumanizing him first.

Did not see Tyrese at the final battle but his two friends where and Ben is now dead so they introduced him to have him wait until the next season.

tjexcite on March 25, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Actor Michael Rooker (who plays/played “Merle”) says that he put Michonne out of the car “because he just got tired of listening to her.”

Seriously — though he said that and laughed — that’s about the size of it. Merle had already determined he’d go get the Governor, he’d made his mind up about that deed, likely also expecting to perish himself in doing that, and then he literally just got tired of Michonne’s talk in the car so he put her out, deciding he’d be better off on his own.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Oh, and congrats to Herschel for accepting Glenn into his family He now has three daughters.

sentinelrules on March 25, 2013 at 9:30 PM

How can you say that? Glenn is smart, brave, and the only one of the group getting laid.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Hey john1schn, Allah is in NEW YORK CITY, nuff said. I watched the first season of Walking Dead. The `way that the writers portray small town folk as if they are stupid liberals, was enough annoyance for me to stop watching it. I much prefer JUSTIFIED and it doesn’t annoy me, although it’s a stretch to see RAYLAN kill so many people who already have their guns out and pointed at him, when his gun is still holostered.

bigmike on March 25, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Rick’s moral dilemma over whether to hand Michonne over was stupid. There is no way that was a good idea. His character has not been presented as that stupid.

blue13326 on March 25, 2013 at 9:36 PM

How can you say that? Glenn is smart, brave, and the only one of the group getting laid.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:34 PM

I think Maggie is also getting some.

Seriously, Glenn has become so emotional and whiny ever since he met Maggie.

sentinelrules on March 25, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Merle died so well he almost deserved to live —almost.

claudius on March 25, 2013 at 9:38 PM

How can you say that? Glenn is smart, brave, and the only one of the group getting laid.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Yeah, but you know what happened to the last guy to get any in the group. Zombie Shane, killed by two generations of Grimes men.

john1schn on March 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I’m not sure who else they can kill without it making a major impact on the arc of the show. Martinez or Sasha maybe, or possibly Herschel or Carol.

PetecminMd on March 25, 2013 at 9:34 PM

All I can say after reading the comments on the internet about the Series is, if they ever kill-off Daryl, that’ll end the Series with a lot of raging from just about every female viewer, ever.

Daryl’s popularity pretty well drives the popularity of the Series, from what I’ve read. Not to/for me but apparently for most viewers, particularly females.

I’m thinking they’ll drop Herschel and Beth and the Governor in the upcoming Season Finale.

People keep suggesting Carol but I think they need Carol to keep the little bit of “group feeling” together that they’ve managed so far, as to those with Rick, and Carol and Daryl are expected by many to get together. I like Carol’s character myself, hope they keep her around.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM

To those of you who have seen next week’s exciting preview: what’s behind the door?

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Zombies, otherwise called Walkers and Biters.

We know that Rick’s keenly aware of all those Walkers still in the depths of the prison, so, looks like he just let them all roam free inside where they’d been occupying (Rick and Group) after they all took off, anticipating the Gov. invading them.

So I think Rick and Group set up a “Walker Trap” for the Governor and his: when they got to the door to get inside the prison, presto: Walker Attack.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Sometimes a zombie show is just a zombie show.

kim roy on March 25, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Something Allah should try to remember.

Jackalope on March 25, 2013 at 9:46 PM

On an up note, loved on Merle pretended to give the zombie whiskey. lol!

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Yeah, that was schweet.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Ironic that it took a racist like Merle to make Michonne likeable.

RIP Merle. You almost had the Governor if it wasn’t for that idiot Ben.

sentinelrules on March 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I dunno. I liked Michonne almost from the start. She may be angry, but she ain’t a loudmouth.

Like certain Star Wars characters…

Lanceman on March 25, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Love the show and was bummed that they killed off Merle. I have a bad feeling Daryl will die next week…hope I am wrong!

Jack_Burton on March 25, 2013 at 9:57 PM

bummed that they killed off Merle.

Jack_Burton on March 25, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Me too.

Lanceman on March 25, 2013 at 9:59 PM

My prediction is the governor shows up at the prison with everyone he has. However rick and crew have abandoned the prison, and are sacking a mostly empty Woodbury.

Essentially, they end up trading places!

portlandon on March 25, 2013 at 10:15 PM

All I can say after reading the comments on the internet about the Series is, if they ever kill-off Daryl, that’ll end the Series with a lot of raging from just about every female viewer, ever.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I agree – not sure how long I’d keep watching it if Daryl was killed ;) I am sad about Merle though, he was an interesting character.

Allah – Please don’t put spoilers right on the front page (zombie Merle!). I usually have to wait a day or two to watch the show and I do my best to avoid reading about what happened. Luckily I had just finished watching this week’s episode about 10 mins before I saw this thread.

CityFish on March 25, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Good episode. Merle’s blaze of glory ended a bit to soon, but he was kickin’ some Woodbury ass for minute or two. I was impressed with his tactics and cheering him on. Great way to further make the Guv even more hated.

VengeanceIsMine on March 25, 2013 at 10:17 PM

but the rest of this show is supposed to be realistic

Which part? The zombie apocalypse happening? Or zombies could defeat the U.S. military?

Hog Wild on March 25, 2013 at 10:19 PM

You racist, sexist pig.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM

What an insipid, cowardly and RACIST delusion.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Hey now! Liveasaslaveanddie is a college perfesser.
The affirmative action committee said so.

A little respect out there.

Solaratov on March 25, 2013 at 10:23 PM

“…although it’s a stretch to see RAYLAN kill so many people who already have their guns out and pointed at him, when his gun is still holostered.”

bigmike on March 25, 2013 at 9:36 PM

The late FBI agent Jelly Bryce (who died of natural causes in 1983) could draw and shoot his revolver with unerring accuracy in 4/10ths of a second, which is about as fast as Mohammed Ali’s jab or the flash of a flashbulb. Throughout the course of his 30+ year law enforcement career, Bryce shot and killed approximately 21 armed bad guys*. Most of them had their guns out and aimed at Bryce when he shot them. Of course, Bryce spent several hours every day in front of a full-length mirror, practicing and perfecting his draw. His hope, he said, was to one day beat his reflection. So yes, beating an already armed opponent is possible, but the number of people who can consistently pull it off must be astronomically small.

*I write ‘approximately 21 bad guys’ because the FBI obscures that information for reasons of its own, according to Ron Owens, Bryce’s biographer.

troyriser_gopftw on March 25, 2013 at 10:33 PM

To those of you who have seen next week’s exciting preview: what’s behind the door?

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:10 PM

My WAG is the prison is empty and boobytrapped, either with walkers or incendiaries or both.

Is the show perfect? No, but I enjoy it.

jnelchef on March 25, 2013 at 10:44 PM

So, Libfreeordie, do you still look for symbolism and metaphors in Beatle songs also?

UncleZeb on March 25, 2013 at 10:57 PM

A shame about Merle because he was such an interesting character played so well by Michael Rooker.

I think the conversation Merle had with Carol about being a “late bloomer” and picking a side was instrumental to Merle’s awakening.

My favorite part of the episode was Hershel’s reading of Psalm 91 to his daughters.

RedRobin145 on March 25, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Maybe over-thinking here, but why is it always the women and the minorities who are always the sane, grounded, logical people in Zombie land – who should be in charge, while all the trouble is caused by the angry white guys?

Does this show go PC, using the Zombies as a vehicle ?

Or am I repressing my inner something?

FlaMurph on March 25, 2013 at 11:27 PM

My WAG is the prison is empty and boobytrapped, either with walkers or incendiaries or both.

jnelchef on March 25, 2013 at 10:44 PM

You will notice in the preview, that when the gov comes bursting in, there are no visible walkers in the yard.

Maybe over-thinking here, but why is it always the women and the minorities who are always the sane, grounded, logical people in Zombie land – who should be in charge, while all the trouble is caused by the angry white guys?

FlaMurph on March 25, 2013 at 11:27 PM

No.
Carol suffered from battered women syndrome.
Maggie was a handful
Beth went into a psychotic coma and attempted suicide.
Lori was a trouble maker who ended up pitting Rick and Shane against each other.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Shame, SHAME, SHAME on me for not seeing Zombie Merle coming!

That was pretty great!

RedNewEnglander on March 25, 2013 at 11:44 PM

As for the prison group, Beth is the last remaining “Red Shirt.” She’s likely to die, although someone else “core” to the group needs to die during the assault for there to be some real emotion in it. In the comics, the Governor killed Hershel during the final siege. (So, that’s likely unless the creators want to keep him around because the guy playing Hershel is such a great actor.)

In the comics, after the final siege on the prison, the group decides to head to Washington, D.C. and end up in Alexandria, Virginia.

The real question is who will kill the Governor. And if Morgan or that other black dude who is currently in Woodbury will join the group (both of them did in the comics.)

BigWillieStyles on March 25, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Which part? The zombie apocalypse happening? Or zombies could defeat the U.S. military the South, mountain states and major parts of the Midwest?

Hog Wild on March 25, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Oil Can on March 25, 2013 at 11:48 PM

BigWillieStyles on March 25, 2013 at 11:48 PM

That’s a problem with the series. It’s the apocalypse, so lots of people will die. But the characters and actors are so good, it’s a real lost when they kill them off. I really wonder if they can keep doing that without turning off the audience.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Am I the only person who wondered how a car that had been sitting for over a year would still have a battery with enough of a charge to turn over much less start. Impossibilities like that always throw my enjoyment and pull me out of the plot of any show or movie.

Kerbouchard on March 25, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Anyway, sorry to disappoint with the lack of grumbles this week. I’ll make up for it next week assuming the inevitable Glenn/Maggie wedding scene is as excruciating and unwatchable as we all expect.

Oh yeah. It’s going to be torture. I hope a walker pops out of the wedding cake.

Kataklysmic on March 26, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Am I the only person who wondered how a car that had been sitting for over a year would still have a battery with enough of a charge to turn over much less start. Impossibilities like that always throw my enjoyment and pull me out of the plot of any show or movie.
——————

And power a car alarm that blares for several minutes THEN still has juice to start a car

Kerbouchard on March 26, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Maybe over-thinking here, but why is it always the women and the minorities who are always the sane, grounded, logical people in Zombie land – who should be in charge, while all the trouble is caused by the angry white guys?

FlaMurph on March 25, 2013 at 11:27 PM

No.
Carol suffered from battered women syndrome.
Maggie was a handful
Beth went into a psychotic coma and attempted suicide.
Lori was a trouble maker who ended up pitting Rick and Shane against each other.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 11:43 PM

What Blake said ^^…

And at FlaMurph: I would never refer to Michonne as some “grounded” female. Nor any of the other women in the Series.

Nor the males, for that matter. IT’s the Apocalypse, everyone’s gone bonkers or does eventually…

Lourdes on March 26, 2013 at 12:26 AM

:lol I called it….knew Merle was gonna redeem himself in the end
in a blaze of glory for his little brother.

Anyway, sorry to disappoint with the lack of grumbles this week. I’ll make up for it next week assuming the inevitable Glenn/Maggie wedding scene is as excruciating and unwatchable as we all expect.

No way!!! It’s gonna be the best!! The only bright spot in this whole dark series…a nice wedding between Glenn and Maggie….:)

How can you say that? Glenn is smart, brave, and the only one of the group getting laid.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:34 PM

I know!!! How quick people forget that Glenn saves Rick in the beginning and make sure we still have a show to watch!!

Michael Rooker is a grizzly looking guy in character, but when you see him live on Talking Dead, he does not look 57. He also owns a shooting range outside LA and is a big gun enthusiast. Is it too much for me to hope that he is a conservative?? I haven’t found anything exposing his political leanings which is admiral by itself.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Expect Rooker to get roles on show like NCIS or Five-0…He could pass for a “Grunt” Gunny Marine Sargent. Hope he gets to actually play a good guy this time..without such a dark past. Good luck!!!

dec5 on March 26, 2013 at 2:15 AM

Am I the only person who wondered how a car that had been sitting for over a year would still have a battery with enough of a charge to turn over much less start.

Kerbouchard on March 25, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I didn’t wonder that. I wondered what kind of car alarm doesn’t go off when the lock is picked, or when the door is opened, but pipes up when the steering wheel column is cracked.

James on March 26, 2013 at 2:50 AM

I dunno, I thought the episode was kinda boring. I mean come on, Merle had an epiphany in the car with Michonne and decided to release her and ambush the Governor and his crew? It just felt like writer expediency to me. They needed to move the story along and this seemed like a good way to doing it.

Lance Murdock on March 26, 2013 at 9:04 AM

I thought it was explained why Merle changed his mind. His original intent was to protect his baby brother, as he was forced to take on the Father role his whole life – and had to sacrifice his own desires and goals. He knew Rick would not go through with it, and knowing the Governor’s ruthlessness, his brother would be killed – so he had to ensure that Michonne was delivered to the Governor to stop that. Halfway through, she reminded him how ruthless the Governor is – that the Michonne scenario was just a setup. So he decided to sacrifice himself to try and weaken the Governor’s forces and kill the Governor – in order to save his brother.

The whole scene before and in the car makes it not so surprising. We see how much he loves his brother, and is just torn up inside from what the abusive father did and the sacrifice he had to make to take on the role of a Father. And Michonne reminds him that, although hes an ass, he isn’t evil like the Governor – inside he is a good guy who saved he and his brother from their abusive father and raised and protected his brother, and only did true evil when around the Governor. He’s really a Grunt – good but hard, used by the Army leader to do the dirty work (or life, as in taking on the role of Father to Daryl). And he goes out being a grunt/Father.

hayekorbust on March 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM

RIP Merle………..now it’s time to napalm Woodbury and put an end to the Gov’s evil empire.

Rovin on March 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Every time I see a couple of walkers doing their walker walk in the distance, my reaction would still be to run. However, the characters have evolved to the point that they are less afraid of walkers and even use them as lethal weapons against their enemies. That may change when more and more of them are created by the simple fact of people dying naturally or dying because they had a chunk bit out of them. You can run around and stab everyone in the head, can you?

I’m still waiting for when they decapitate one and the head goes flying in the air, lands on some one, and bites them.

Blake on March 26, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Make that: You can’t run around and stab everyone…

Blake on March 26, 2013 at 11:06 AM

We see this every day in Texas. We will bleed and kill and die for our family, though you’d never know it when we’re together.

This. Blood is way thicker than water. Merle, of all people, knows exactly what the Governor is capable of.

I R A Darth Aggie on March 26, 2013 at 12:28 PM

So he decided to sacrifice himself to try and weaken the Governor’s forces and kill the Governor – in order to save his brother.

I disagree. When he let’s Michonne out of the car, he tells her, “Go back to prison. Get ready for what’s next.” He knows that even if he’s able to kill the Governor, whoever is in charge is probably still going to attack the prison. He knows he isn’t saving Darryl from anything.

I think the conversation Merle had with Carol about being a “late bloomer” and picking a side was instrumental to Merle’s awakening.

Bingo. Merle decided to sacrifice himself for two reasons:

1) Penance for his past actions.

His conversation with Michonne in the car provides the clues. First, when it’s revealed that he only began killing people when he fell in with the Governor. Then, when she says that they can just turn around and head back to the prison, and he replies “I can’t go back there.” He knows that because of what he’d done to Glenn and Maggie, he will never fit in with the group.

2) To set his brother Darryl free, so that he could fully embrace his new “family”.

This is illustrated in his conversations with Carol and Darryl. When Merle is talking to Carol, he falls back into the “We’re brothers” bit, to which Carol says something like “After everything we’ve been through, we’re his [Darryl's] family now too.” Then later, when he’s berating Darryl for how he just takes orders from Rick now, Darryl pierces through him by saying, “You just can’t survive alone now. You need other people to live.” And that’s the crux of the dilemma that Merle faces: he knows that – at his core – he’s just a contrarian a$$hole who will never be able to fit into the sort of group that’s now necessary for survival…and he knows that that fact is endangering Darryl, who would never abandon him.

So, in the end, Merle does what he had told Rick earlier was the only thing he was suited to do in groups like theirs…”the dirty work”. Only this time, he did it for noble reasons.

It was an absolutely fantastic episode.

rvastar on March 26, 2013 at 2:44 PM

“Actually, “The Walking Dead” was pretty good last night”

Yet you proceed to spend a few paragraphs ripping the episode apart. *scratches head in confusion*

As for this:

Merle’s transformation on the way back toward Woodbury wasn’t realistic either. Did I miss something or was it never quite explained why, and when, he decided to turn on the Governor? Did he plan that from the beginning of the episode last night — i.e. he was going to use Michonne as bait to lure the Governor and his men into an ambush?

There were hints earlier in the show.

Watch the conversation Merle had with Carol. He said, “You used to be a scared little mouse, afraid of your own shadow. But look at you now.”

Carol: “It was my husband’s shadow and I’m not afraid now.”

If I am not mistaken, she also may have told Merle he can change too. The whole speech Michonne gave him the car was about how it wasn’t too late for him to change, he did not have to be an outsider.

I think the only reason Merle was taking her to the Governor is because that was originally Rick’s plan, only Merle did not know that Rick had changed his mind.

When Merle showed up, he took out as many of the Governor’s guys as he could.

I think the whole point of the show is the Merle redeemed himself (ie, be a joiner, not a loner, setting the example of helping people not expecting them to be paid back,ie family on the bridge in previous episode), like his brother had kind of been asking him to do all along.

So somewhere along the way, all the little speeches from Carol and Michonne about be able to change and join the group apparently weighed on him. I don’t think it’s necessarily important to pin point the exact second in time this occurred.

Michonne showed warmth and humor in a previous episode where she helped the kid retrieve a photo from a restaurant, so I don’t know how fair it is to portray her as tough guy or wooden.

You said,

The killing had to be more personal and more violent than that to capture the mix of grief for, and rage at, his brother/tormentor.

The actor (Reedus) said in an interview the rage was not at his brother, but at the screwed up world he’s having to live in now, and that his character has had to fight all his life and he’s tired and worn down because of it, and him losing his brother is just another bad thing to happen.

You said,

Anyway, sorry to disappoint with the lack of grumbles this week. I’ll make up for it next week assuming the inevitable Glenn/Maggie wedding scene is as excruciating and unwatchable as we all expect.

I am not a supporter of the Maggie – Glenn romance.

I like each character separately- Maggie when she’s killing zombies, Glenn when he’s playing strategy / gopher guy, but their romance does nothing for me. I don’t see how it adds to the show.

TigerPaw on March 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM

AP said,

They [Merele and Daryl] spent the whole season trying to find each other and then they did, but there was never any fraternal affection between them.

Their relationship is like mine and someone in my family.

My family member is like Merle, I’m like Daryl. I love this person, but she has an anger problem, which makes it hard for me to get along with her.

Neither this family member nor I do ‘warm and fuzzy’ well, and I’m not a “hugger” type.

I’m sure she loves me, and at times can act a tad lovable, but usually she doesn’t show it.

Some people do care about each other way down deep inside, but on the surface, they argue and fight, have a hard time getting along, and have a hard time admitting / showing affection.

Daryl did show a lot of emotion for Merle, too – in previous episodes. When they found Merle’s severed hand on the rooftop, Daryl was crying, yelling, very upset.

The fact that Daryl wanted badly to find Merle and vice versa showed that both cared for one another. If Daryl didn’t give a rip about Merle, he would not have tracked him down to the roof top in Atlanta.

TigerPaw on March 26, 2013 at 4:40 PM

AP said

Michonne, for instance, remains a ridiculous character, the picture of defiant composure even while Merle was dragging her back towards Woodbury to be tortured and killed.

How is that any different than Merle screaming, “I ain’t begging you [for my life]” at the Governor while the Governor was pointing a gun at him?

I didn’t read Michonne’s quiet defiance any less realistic. She was refusing to beg for her life.

She has never shown a lot of emotion any way, so had she gone weepy and “please, please don’t kill me” with Merle, it would’ve seemed out of character.

TigerPaw on March 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Michael Rooker is a grizzly looking guy in character, but when you see him live on Talking Dead, he does not look 57. He also owns a shooting range outside LA and is a big gun enthusiast. Is it too much for me to hope that he is a conservative?? I haven’t found anything exposing his political leanings which is admiral by itself.

Blake on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Rooker once tweeted a link to an editorial defending gun ownership or criticizing limits on gun ownership.

What strikes me about seeing Rooker on ‘Talking Dead’ is how warm and fuzzy he is (he’s been on that show twice).

I’ve seen photos of him meeting with fans at air ports and comic cons, and he’s smiling, looks happy to meet them and be there. He does such a great job of playing a mean grouch on Walking Dead, I thought maybe he was that way in real life, but he’s amicable.

TigerPaw on March 26, 2013 at 4:47 PM

I don’t think Allah quite understands what speculative fiction is all about. These characters are all archetypes that allow us to explore a set of relationships that are metaphors for contemporary political, economic and social relations.

libfreeordie on March 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I don’t get that at all from the show.

I know it’s typical for Hollywood people to place liberal messages into their shows or films, but I just don’t see it on Walking Dead.

I think people are reading into it what they want to see.

TigerPaw on March 26, 2013 at 4:49 PM

and Carol and Daryl are expected by many to get together. I like Carol’s character myself, hope they keep her around.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Oh barf no!

I don’t mind Carol as a stand alone character, but I do not want to see her pair up with Daryl Dixon.

There are billions of women over age 30 on the internet who have some weird,scary obsession with seeing Carol and Daryl (what they call “Caryl”) become a romantic couple.

Just the flirting Carol did with Daryl several episodes back made me cringe.

I do not want Daryl getting a girlfriend, especially not Carol.

TigerPaw on March 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM

My prediction is the governor shows up at the prison with everyone he has. However rick and crew have abandoned the prison, and are sacking a mostly empty Woodbury.

Essentially, they end up trading places!

portlandon on March 25, 2013 at 10:15 PM

If Rick really wants to scare the Governor, he should leave the baby behind for the Governor.

Having to care for a baby would be scary. especially in a zombie apocalypse.

TigerPaw on March 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM

The real question is who will kill the Governor.

BigWillieStyles on March 25, 2013 at 11:48 PM

I wonder if the Governor does die at end of season 3?

Maybe he’ll make it to season four, and be chasing Rick and Rick’s group for a few episodes before catching up and having a big shoot out?

TigerPaw on March 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM

and Carol and Daryl are expected by many to get together. I like Carol’s character myself, hope they keep her around.

Lourdes on March 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Oh barf no!

I don’t mind Carol as a stand alone character, but I do not want to see her pair up with Daryl Dixon.

There are billions of women over age 30 on the internet who have some weird,scary obsession with seeing Carol and Daryl (what they call “Caryl”) become a romantic couple.

Just the flirting Carol did with Daryl several episodes back made me cringe.

I do not want Daryl getting a girlfriend, especially not Carol.

TigerPaw on March 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM

While I have no individual need or expectation of ANYTHING happening in this Series, if not also in all fiction, I state there what a general audience expectation appears to be for those two characters.

The only defining terms I’d place on the characters of Carol and Daryl are that they have some sort of FAMILIAL relationship and that’s been ongoing from Season Two especially, and ongoing. Define that with specifics as you will. However, the two characters (Carol and Daryl) are ALREADY “together” in a sense of mutual caring.

I watch what the Series produces, I don’t write the scripts. That means, the two characters mentioned here are already “involved” in some special relationship, just as others are with them and others, thus forming their “group”.

Lourdes on March 27, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Using the ONE SINGLE FRAME from the episode that totally f***ing spoils one of the most dramatic surprises of the series was a complete dick move.

DrZin on April 1, 2013 at 3:16 PM