Poll shocker – Americans don’t want higher energy taxes

posted at 9:31 am on March 24, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Should one avenue of “increasing revenue” for the government come from jacking up taxes on American energy companies? If you talk to people in the Obama administration – as well as a number of prominent Democrats in congress – the answer is yes. But according to a recent Harris poll, Americans aren’t even remotely close to being on the same page as the administration on this one.

Respondents were asked if they agree or disagree with a series of statements. On the question, “Increasing energy taxes, like taxes on oil and natural gas companies, hurts everyone because those tax increases could drive up energy costs for consumers,” the response was:

AGREE (NET) 69%
Strongly Agree 48%
Somewhat Agree 21%
Neither Agree nor Disagree 2%
DISAGREE (NET) 27%
Somewhat Disagree 10%
Strongly Disagree 17%

When asked if such tax increases “would be bad tax policy, as well as unfair and discriminatory” the results were similar. 63% agreed, while 30% disagreed. But if you click through and dig into the cross tabs on this one, it’ could come as even more of a surprise to the Jack The Taxes crowd. 92% of Harris’ sample voted in the 2012 election. They gave the President a 48 – 47 job approval rating, while giving a thumbs down to Congress by 78 to14 – pretty close to the national averages we see each week. The D.I.R. split was 34 – 29 – 27, which is awfully generous to the Dems. The educational background level was 52% with some college or higher. (Though the 70% white split on the racial demographics was a bit off.)

And yet the President keeps going back to this well. Does the “other side” have any counter proposal to offer? Why yes, they do. The results of a study we first showed you in 2011 haven’t changed at all since then. The proposed tax hikes on the energy industry are estimated to raise $4B per year under the most optimistic circumstances. But if Washington instead adopted new policies supporting domestic energy exploration, the revenue to Uncle Sam would work out to nearly $127 billion in cumulative revenue by 2020 and by 2025 that total would jump to $363 billion.

You do the math. Apparently Washington isn’t going to.


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Not Bishop!

S. D. on March 24, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I’m surprised so many people realize that increasing cost of business increases consumer costs. I have not found it to be the case in the past.

mchristian on March 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM

How do voters in this sample approve of Obama 48-47 but oppose energy taxes at that high of a rate? People just aren’t consistent in their beliefs.

Donald Draper on March 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM

I’m surprised so many people realize that increasing cost of business increases consumer costs. I have not found it to be the case in the past.

mchristian on March 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM

I don’t think the wording of the question was unfair, but it definitely helps some people take a different viewpoint on tax increases. Hmmm, how often do we hear politicians use this talking point? I can’t think of many.

Donald Draper on March 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM

People just aren’t consistent in their beliefs.

Donald Draper on March 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM

He’s our first Affirmative Action President. They are giving Obama a long leash.

CW on March 24, 2013 at 9:53 AM

That’s just the Plebes talkin’. Don’t worry, the Intelligencia will know how to rule over us.

THANK YOU Sir, may I have another !

birdhurd on March 24, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Once we’re all on bicycles, walking to the store, and living in caves, the energy prices won’t matter at all.

Wino on March 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM

I’m surprised so many people realize that increasing cost of business increases consumer costs. I have not found it to be the case in the past.

mchristian on March 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM

It’s only because the effect was explicit in the question. Change the statement to the question, “should we tax the profits of large energy firms, like Exxon, to reduce our deficit?” And the the results will meet your expectations.

WashJeff on March 24, 2013 at 9:56 AM

It is exciting and impressive watching the Chief Bro rolling OK with his NCAA brackets! You rule, Mr. President, but I’m gonna blow by you in the next two days, yessir!

Why not a show on that this Sunday? It would be more interesting than the insipid stuff they are featuring!

As a matter of fact, I think we need to put the economic progress in a format like the NCAA brackets.

Have the states compete like basketball teams and then make the pols pick which ones are going to do well on getting unemployment down, getting people off food stamps, foreclosure rates and other and then make our POTUS host the Winning state’s officials at the White House.

Of course, that assumes that anyone actually wants a better economy and GDP figures.

I am silly though. How important is 20 million people deprived of a shot at self reliance compared to a bunch of college kids tossing a ball through a hoop?

IlikedAUH2O on March 24, 2013 at 9:59 AM

This country is packed with economic illiterates who think that “corporations” actually pay taxes.

rjh on March 24, 2013 at 10:00 AM

What product that you purchase regularly would you like to pay more for if it were to reduce the deficit?

tom daschle concerned on March 24, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Didn’t we try this when Carter was in office? Windfall profit tax wasn’t it?
Prices went up and we had ‘lines at the pump’.
We refuse to learn.

countrybumpkin on March 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM

As on so many other issues (gun control, energy as a whole, etc.) the ruling class inside the Beltway (and I include the “mainstream” of the GOP as represented by McCain & Co., here), plus the MSM and academia, operate on the principle of telling themselves what they want to hear and pretending it’s what the rest of us are actually saying.

The two great fallacies of this particular argument are;

1. The belief that higher taxes on energy will not affect growth. This is so ludicrous that you wouldn’t believe adults would buy it- because rest assured, higher taxes on energy will mean cutbacks in its use, and that will affect productivity.

Then I remember that we’re dealing with people who think Holy Wind And Holy Sun Will Save Us All. So they aren’t able to process data honestly, intelligently, or even rationally to begin with.

The corollary to this is

2. The belief that they will get $4b in tax revenue from it the first year (maybe), and the same the second year (not likely), and the same on into the future (for-f**king-get-it).

If you raise the cost of paying a tax, you can bet that after people get gouged the first year, the second year they will figure out a way to lessen the bite. And if you’re counting on a tax to reduce use of something, you are guaranteed to reap less revenue from it in succeeding years as usage decreases. Unless, of course, you raise taxes on it again every single year.

This is a recipe’ for disaster for the American economy. Then again, considering the source (the primitivists of the radical left), they probably consider that a feature, not a bug.

clear ether

eon

eon on March 24, 2013 at 10:08 AM

“This is a recipe’ for disaster for the American economy.”

They have several recipes they are
working on in the DC kitchen that spell disaster.

A robust menu for the American people.
Disaster-Its whats for dinner.

bazil9 on March 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM

eon on March 24, 2013 at 10:08 AM

In other words, if politician thinks increasing a fine will reduce a bad behavior, why won’t increasing a tax reduce a good behavior?

WashJeff on March 24, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Congress and the Administration prefer the BACK-DOOR tax increases on businesses, because they will in turn cover the costs of the rising taxes by……………wait for it………RAISING PRICES on CONSUMERS.

So you stupid consumers that keep voting for politicians that want to raise taxes on those ‘evil’ corporations…….

derp!

PappyD61 on March 24, 2013 at 10:27 AM

It amazes me to see polling proof that 27% of my fellow Americans are absolute idiots.

MTF on March 24, 2013 at 10:35 AM

It amazes me to see polling proof that 27% of my fellow Americans are absolute idiots.

MTF on March 24, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Imma gonna guess 27% don’t think they‘ll be paying the taxes.

Fallon on March 24, 2013 at 10:45 AM

There is something good to be said about increased taxes on businesses. Businesses get to pass those taxes onward in the form of increased prices. Those increased prices translate into a flat tax on everyone — including the poor and a considerable segment of the middle class, each of whom seems to have an intense desire to tax the rich.

A flat tax is to be admired.

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unclesmrgol on March 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

LIv’s, Low information voters,they curse the oil companies when filling up,so easily manipulated.

rodguy911 on March 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

“Americans don’t want higher energy taxes.”

Screw ‘em, or rather screw 51% of those people. Elections have consequences.

Give the people what they voted for: raise those gasoline taxes and let it burn.

MidniteRambler on March 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Once we’re all on bicycles, walking to the store, and living in caves, the energy prices won’t matter at all.

Wino on March 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Do you know how much it costs to build a good cave nowadays, especially for males?

Google “man cave cost” to find out.

unclesmrgol on March 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM

This country is packed with economic illiterates who think that “corporations” actually pay taxes.

rjh on March 24, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Until they see the charge on their own bills from the electric company or the gas company or any other company they do business with, they just don’t get it. It’s why so many support an increase in the minimum wage.

mchristian on March 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM

It’s time to expose the myth that America is suffering. I see nothing wrong with a higher tax on energy costs, whether it’s to heat one’s home or to fill up the gas tank of the family SUV.

We are a country of whiners. We live in multi-level homes complete with 4 bedrooms or more, large garden tub and walk-in closets off the master bedroom, home theater and bar in the basement and we spend a great deal of time watching sports-related programs, either at the venue itself or in a cozy neighborhood watering hole.

We pack the airports each and every day on our way to our vacation destinations, not thinking twice about spending an average of $150 for a motel room. Sure, some pay less and some pay more, but we never seem to gripe about the rising costs of many activities that used to be reasonably priced. All the doomers and gloomers have predicted a meltdown over the cost of this and the cost of that. But it’s not happening.

Restaurants are still packed on weekend nights, even though the price of a good meal is much higher than it was 10 years ago. Liquor prices are through the roof, but that doesn’t seem to bother anyone. Movie prices are sky high and so are the prices at the concession stand, and yet I see no panic in Hollywood over the lack of revenue due to declining audiences.

Back to the energy prices. I get out on the road and I see people acting like their in the race of their lifetimes. There is no concern about conserving fuel, regardless of the price at the pump. People seem to have plenty of money for high gas prices, expensive SUV’s, and the increasing costs of car insurance. And these whiners break the laws over and over, whether they are constantly exceeding the posted speed limits, ignoring stop signs and treating them as yield signs, and texting while driving.

We have it made in this country and there is absolutely no reason to gripe about anything. People just do it for the sake of griping. Soon, pot will be legal across the country and that will add another comfort measure to society. So move on, get over it, and belly up to the bar. Embrace life, booze, pot, Hollywood, sports, entertainment, sex, motorcycles, boating, and all the good things we have in America. Go hug your kids, or your wife, or your partner. And quit your bitchin’!

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Until they see the charge on their own bills from the electric company or the gas company or any other company they do business with, they just don’t get it. It’s why so many support an increase in the minimum wage.

mchristian on March 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Herein lies the problem. We assume these people use reason and logic. They will see the increase in their energy bill as just another way the “evil” energy corporations are screwing them. They have a total disconnect from reality.

Paco on March 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Poll shocker – Americans don’t want higher energy taxes

…then why do they vote the way they do?

KOOLAID2 on March 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM

We have all those things why? Maybe it’s due to our unique view on self-governance and freedom enshrined in our founding. Maybe the rest of the world doesn’t enjoy the standard of living we do is because they don’t emulate our system. Most of the problems in this world can be traced to a fundamental lack of freedom for the inhabitants of 80% of the world’s countries.

Paco on March 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

We have all those things why? Maybe it’s due to our unique view on self-governance and freedom enshrined in our founding. Maybe the rest of the world doesn’t enjoy the standard of living we do is because they don’t emulate our system. Most of the problems in this world can be traced to a fundamental lack of freedom for the inhabitants of 80% of the world’s countries. Paco on March 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Exactly my point. We do have a unique view on self-governance and freedom enshrined in our founding. But the whiners in this country seem to declare that it is under attack. I just don’t see it based on the behavior I see every day in this country. If things were as bad as everyone states, we would be forming en masse and marching on D.C. every day of the year. That’s not happening because there are no real pressing problems in the lives of most people.

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

They voted for Obama. May the ruin them all, and theirs too.

VAT is next too. May he destroy all who brung/kept him. YOU deserve NO less.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Ok after I read your original post I thought you were coming from a different angle. I agree with what you said here though.
The problem that I see going forward, at least here in the U.S., is that the government is taking a bigger bite out of the populace then at anytime in the past. I’m not talking just in tax rates (I know the top rates were higher in the past) , but in almost every way. Strangling regulations, fees, and bureaucratic red tape on top of the taxes. All these things suck money away from the individual and therefore our freedom. Some people may whine and moan, but they continue to get up every day, and do what they have to do.
The percentage of takers is almost as much as the payers, and I can’t see how that can end well.

Paco on March 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Ehh, it’s probably the same people that complain there’s no healthy options at McDonalds then when they go they get a 20 piece nugget, a supersize fry, and a diet coke.(Because they’re watching their weight.)

Dave_d on March 24, 2013 at 1:35 PM

And quit your bitchin’!

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM

How nice for you…as it doesn’t seem from the sound of your post that you have been affected in the least little bit by the recession or the stagnant economy of the last 5 years. I’m happy for you. Now try coming out of the bubble you must live in and attempt to envision that which you DON’T see. What seems to be out of your line of sight are those that have lost everything over the past years. Lost their job, used up their savings, lost their home and lost their entire way of life. They don’t own a multi-level home with the hot tub and the bar, and many of them never did in the first place. They’re the ones you don’t see in the restaurants on the week-ends or at the movies or jetting off to some exotic vacation spot. And I would venture to guess, they are not the ones pretending to be Jeff Gordon out on the highways in a new SUV. These are the people who are still trying to get back on their feet, while at the same time being hit by rising food prices, rising gas prices, rising healthcare costs etc. etc. And what about the elderly, many of which are living on fixed incomes? Do you think they should just buck up and quit whining when their home heating costs increase? Should we just tell them to go smoke a joint and get over it? Good grief…there’s an awful lot you don’t see. I would recommend that you try getting out a bit…and I don’t mean to Aspen. There’s another America out there that you seem rather oblivious about.

lynncgb on March 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

…you don’t get out much!…and people are getting used to living off the government…wait until that source declines…and it will

KOOLAID2 on March 24, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Guess what? Bet’cha we get dem taxes. Pun intended.

Herb on March 24, 2013 at 3:16 PM

And quit your bitchin’!

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM

How nice for you…as it doesn’t seem from the sound of your post that you have been affected in the least little bit by the recession or the stagnant economy of the last 5 years. I’m happy for you. Now try coming out of the bubble you must live in and attempt to envision that which you DON’T see. What seems to be out of your line of sight are those that have lost everything over the past years. Lost their job, used up their savings, lost their home and lost their entire way of life. They don’t own a multi-level home with the hot tub and the bar, and many of them never did in the first place. They’re the ones you don’t see in the restaurants on the week-ends or at the movies or jetting off to some exotic vacation spot. And I would venture to guess, they are not the ones pretending to be Jeff Gordon out on the highways in a new SUV. These are the people who are still trying to get back on their feet, while at the same time being hit by rising food prices, rising gas prices, rising healthcare costs etc. etc. And what about the elderly, many of which are living on fixed incomes? Do you think they should just buck up and quit whining when their home heating costs increase? Should we just tell them to go smoke a joint and get over it? Good grief…there’s an awful lot you don’t see. I would recommend that you try getting out a bit…and I don’t mean to Aspen. There’s another America out there that you seem rather oblivious about.

lynncgb on March 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM

My guess, -federal government worker. They are all FD&H.

slickwillie2001 on March 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM

How nice for you…as it doesn’t seem from the sound of your post that you have been affected in the least little bit by the recession or the stagnant economy of the last 5 years. I’m happy for you. Now try coming out of the bubble you must live in and attempt to envision that which you DON’T see. What seems to be out of your line of sight are those that have lost everything over the past years. Lost their job, used up their savings, lost their home and lost their entire way of life. They don’t own a multi-level home with the hot tub and the bar, and many of them never did in the first place. They’re the ones you don’t see in the restaurants on the week-ends or at the movies or jetting off to some exotic vacation spot. And I would venture to guess, they are not the ones pretending to be Jeff Gordon out on the highways in a new SUV. These are the people who are still trying to get back on their feet, while at the same time being hit by rising food prices, rising gas prices, rising healthcare costs etc. etc. And what about the elderly, many of which are living on fixed incomes? Do you think they should just buck up and quit whining when their home heating costs increase? Should we just tell them to go smoke a joint and get over it? Good grief…there’s an awful lot you don’t see. I would recommend that you try getting out a bit…and I don’t mean to Aspen. There’s another America out there that you seem rather oblivious about.

lynncgb on March 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Actually, I get out quite a bit, each and every day. That is how I become so observant of what’s going on around me. You write as if this so-called crisis and poverty in America is something new, that only hits the ones you seem to know. This country went through a Great Depression and my parents stood in the soup lines and went through some very tough times. Sure there are people like that today…that is nothing new and it certainly is not nearly as bad as the Great Depression. So take it for what it is, hope that you’re not part of the unfortunate, and embrace life. Quit yer bitchin’!

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 3:51 PM

People don’t want to give any more money to the governments because they lie about the purpose. Squander the money on overlapping programs that do not work i.e. head start . Steal the money for other purposes, crony business and vote buying.

scboy on March 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM

scboy on March 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM

…and send off a few hundred million to ‘palestinians’ that hate us.

slickwillie2001 on March 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I get out quite a bit, each and every day. That is how I become so observant of what’s going on around me.

You only think you’re observant. You’re not seeing what’s not smack in front of you.

You write as if this so-called crisis and poverty in America is something new,

Of course it’s nothing new. Rising poverty? Yeah, that’s old news. Nothing to concern ourselves about. The idea that Americans are suffering is really just a myth….right?

my parents stood in the soup lines and went through some very tough times.

Well I sure hope they didn’t have to endure anyone standing on the sidelines cheering on higher energy taxes while they were waiting for soup. Plenty of people stand in line at food pantries in today’s world too, you know? Why don’t you go visit one sometime and tell everyone there you think they should be paying higher taxes on gas and heat?

hope that you’re not part of the unfortunate,

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 3:51 PM

I am very blessed…I just haven’t forgotten that fact and pray I never do. Posts like yours would seem the result.

lynncgb on March 24, 2013 at 6:05 PM

There’s another America out there that you seem rather oblivious about.

lynncgb on March 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Ditto, methinks. It’s the America our children will inherit. One in which their parents and grandparents and great grandparents lived in, and in which our children will say “geez louise, why did all you guys max out the credit card and leave the bill with us?

The problems we are seeing today have their origins in 100% loans and Freddie and Fannie and Sallie and a whole raft of other free-for-all kinds of Government programs. As long as our population was growing at rates we had in the 1930′s and 1940′s, we could do it — but no more — the Ponzi Scheme is obvious.

By the way, if you put a dollar into the bank a year ago, you have $.95 now. That’s what the fed is doing to us — the interest rates we get are below the rate of inflation. And that isn’t five years ago either….

unclesmrgol on March 24, 2013 at 6:22 PM

That’s not happening because there are no real pressing problems in the lives of most people.

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

The people who march on Washington are rich (usually trust fund kids) and are able to take time off from their jobs to do so.

Those of us with jobs are hurting. We are forgoing raises because we see all the unemployed and understand that our companies are not selling in the amounts they used to sell. We see our paychecks buying less and less while baby boomers, desperate to not see their savings eaten up by inflation, push money into the stock market, fueling an artificial rise in prices which is every bit as bad as the real estate bubble of a few years back…

What we are seeing is the equivalent of a G-class star which has run out of hydrogen to fuel its fusion reaction, so now it’s starting to burn helium. It’ll go on burning helium for a while, but sooner or later….

unclesmrgol on March 24, 2013 at 6:34 PM

This country went through a Great Depression and my parents stood in the soup lines and went through some very tough times. Sure there are people like that today…that is nothing new and it certainly is not nearly as bad as the Great Depression. So take it for what it is, hope that you’re not part of the unfortunate, and embrace life. Quit yer bitchin’!

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 3:51 PM

You’ve obviously are a sociopath-in-training: you should get professional help immediately.

You’ve got a very serious mental illness when you ASPIRE to a repeat of the Great Depression.

landlines on March 25, 2013 at 12:30 AM

metroryder on March 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

What an extremely arrogant post.

I haven’t been able to take a vacation in 4 years, unless it’s one of those “stay-cations” where I work at home instead of at “work”. I can’t afford a new car (all of ours are over 10 years old when we buy them). I can’t afford to replace our roof (so I keep putting a tarp over the holes above the garage). I can barely afford to pay for most of our kids college (because loans don’t cover the amounts any more). We keep putting money into 401K with the hope that I might be able to retire, assuming evil politicians don’t try to steal it. But right now, my “plan” is to die before retirement age. I know where my soul will go, and I’ve pretty much given up having any real happiness on earth, so why prolong it?

So I don’t know what lifestyle you’re talking about, because it sure isn’t mine.

dominigan on March 25, 2013 at 11:22 AM

So since when do “they” listen to us? ACA at all?

landowner on March 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM