Ben Carson for MI Sen? Not so fast.

posted at 8:31 am on March 23, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

There seems to be a sudden and increasing buzz around the idea of Dr. Ben Carson running for a seat in the US Senate from Michigan next year, now that Carl Levin is exiting Stage Left. Unfortunately, some of the reasons being foisted – not just from the Left, but from the Right as well – represent precisely why the doctor should eschew any such temptations.

About that prospect, Carson, who officially calls himself an independent, said: “If the Lord grabbed me by the collar and made me do it, I would.”

Before the Lord gets a hold of him, Michigan Republicans should consider locking him up.

The state GOP hasn’t won a U.S. Senate race in Michigan since 1994. With the retirement of Democratic incumbent Sen. Carl Levin, Republicans believe they have a shot at the seat in 2016.

Carson, if he could be lured back to his native state, would bring national attention to the race, as well as national dollars. There are few things conservatives love more than a black Republican. And one of Carson’s stature would draw money out of moldy GOP wallets everywhere.

Carson would help a party addicted to white suburban candidates intrigue young and urban voters, black and white, who grew up looking at his picture hanging on their classroom walls.

Allahpundit recently looked this idea over and also found some appeal.

Given his sudden star power in conservative media, his candidacy is likely to become a grassroots cause celebre the way Ted Cruz’s campaign against David Dewhurst was. The national party may very well prefer him as an opportunity to showcase the GOP’s racial diversity. If you’re one of his primary opponents, how exactly would you attack him? The usual knock on a novice candidate is that he’s too inexperienced to be effective in Congress, but that’s a hard sell when you’re talking about a renowned neurosurgeon.

AP also quotes Nolan Finley’s observations about how the GOP hasn’t won a Senate seat there but the GOP should have a chance since they hold the Governor’s mansion, taking this as a smoke signal that the Republican’s can grab this particular brass ring and give Carson some government job experience to boot. (Something which would admittedly help before thinking about a White House run.)

This is, as I see it, a bad idea on two levels. First, it’s true that Michigan has demonstrated its ability to elect Republicans in non-POTUS cycle runs. But what sort of Republicans? Snyder is a popular figure in a number of circles, but his success also speaks to the need to maintain alliances with a variety of coalitions to keep power in Motor City. He won a fairly impressive victory in his gubernatorial race with 58%,but his approval ratings since then have hovered right around the 50% mark. Michigan generally only leans the GOP’s way in low turnout elections, and even then not by a large margin. To win a Senate seat there, Carson will probably need to lean a bit further left than his normal bent, and that won’t serve him well down the road.

But even more so, this idea that Michigan’s minority voters will suddenly abandon their liberal, union loving ways to support Carson – simply based on the color of his skin – should be offensive to both liberals and conservatives. The reaction to such a move was already outlined in the previously linked article.

The furor over Carson’s politics began in February, when he was invited to speak at the National Prayer Breakfast.

The doctor told an audience that included President Barack Obama that the president’s policies are hindering economic growth and opportunity in America.

Liberals screamed that Carson was parroting right-wing talking points and disrespecting the president.

Social networks lit up with diatribes against Carson, calling him a “house negro” and worse.

All of which, of course, caused conservatives to fall in love with him.

Win or lose in a Senate race, this is the legacy of it being predicted far in advance. It would be a bruising race which could force a number of nationally unpopular positions if he really wants to win, and those would come back to haunt him later. If he stuck to his guns and lost, the meme would begin about how he couldn’t even win in his home state. And the expected flood of traditionally liberal voters to his side would likely still not happen, as ideology can be easily swamped in the cat calls sure to follow.

I’m not saying Carson couldn’t pursue some sort of lower office before we begin talking about a POTUS run for him. It’s probably a good idea. Do you really want to open the doors to another round of “amateur” charges for a first timer going for the top rung of the ladder? But to my view of this, Michigan isn’t the place to do it, unless he was running for Governor. And that’s not currently a viable option.


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At some point you have start making the effort to go after low information voters.

Michigan is as good a place as any. And Carson is the person to do it.

commodore on March 23, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Like with Palin, he might help promote Conservative values better as a citizen advocate instead of as a candidate.

Liam on March 23, 2013 at 8:44 AM

This is your freckin problem. The man gives one speech and you act like a bunch of goofballs. This is why you never win.

A POTUS run. Are you freckin kidding me.

The man is a freckin liberal.

oldyeller on March 23, 2013 at 8:48 AM

If Dr. Carson wants a political career, he will have to take unpopular stands. That is the nature of the beast. See his gun control statement to see what I am talking about.

Furthermore, I don’t believe in this private citizen advocate argument. How did Gov. Palin affect anything over the last few years? Her power has been diminished by leaving office, not expanded by it.

Maybe Dr. Carson chooses to stay in private life; I can totally respect that. But if he wants a true public role, that is the road less traveled, and no matter what, is a very tough road.

neoavatara on March 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Jazz, It’s amazing how someone can be so wrong so often.

If Carson can’t win in MI he can’t win a national election. therefore it is a win-win for GOP to have him run and prove his staying power before millions of cmapaign dollars are wasted as well as time in a national election. MI is turning Red as Detriot goes down the crapper and liberals flee the state in search of fresh bloated bodies to suck dry. like it or not Blacks because of the histroy of racism in this country are more comfrotable voting for blacks regradless of party. As has been told to me by posters Carson has done good things in MI before moving to MA. He is respected in the state.

finally Carson seems to me to be a person of principle not a typical politican and he is very unlikely to take positions on issues just because some egghead consultant says he must to win an election. So to your fear of him being compromised like say Mitt was by running in MASS I doubt it will happen. If it does then we know he is a typical politician and thus isn’t worth the effort for him to win a national election in the first place.

I doubt he will win the WH without some type of experience in politics. Cain made a decent run until he self destructed and his real character came out and by then many supporters were tied to him and unable to support other candidates giving Mitt the liberal and even easier win in the primaries.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 8:57 AM

How did Gov. Palin affect anything over the last few years? Her power has been diminished by leaving office, not expanded by it.

Maybe Dr. Carson chooses to stay in private life; I can totally respect that. But if he wants a true public role, that is the road less traveled, and no matter what, is a very tough road.

neoavatara on March 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM

diminished?

Cruz reminded the crowd of Sarah Palin’s role in helping our

current roster of young, conservative rock-stars get elected in the first place: “The mainstream media is absolutely convinced that women cannot be conservatives. … That’s why Gov. Palin drives the mainstream media bat-crap crazy. It shakes up their entire world view, and you know what, she can pick winners. Sarah Palin jumped in early and supported Rand Paul. She supported Marco Rubio. She supported Tim Scott. She supported Pat Toomey. She supported Nikki Haley. And this last election cycle, there were three Republicans who won new seats, Deb Fischer, Jeff Flake, and myself. She supported all three of us. Let me tell you something: I would not be in the U.S. Senate today if it were not for Gov. Sarah Palin.

in other words power and influence does not come simply from holding office. Carson being a respected figure in the political debate can influence elections. far from dimishing themselves some by giving up power increases it.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:03 AM

But even more so, this idea that Michigan’s minority voters will suddenly abandon their liberal, union loving ways to support Carson – simply based on the color of his skin – should be offensive to both liberals and conservatives.

It would be a bruising race which could force a number of nationally unpopular positions if he really wants to win, and those would come back to haunt him later.

It’s already been proven that voting for the color of ones skin is a fact. I don’t understand why it is generally accepted that you have to abandon your principles when you run for office. Yeah, you might lose but at least try to put forth a good case for your principles.
As unseen said, if he can’t win in Michigan, then he won’t win a run for the White House either.

Vince on March 23, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Nobody suggests that people will vote for him because of his color. Have you actually listened to the guy? He sounds extremely reasonable when he describes conservative policies. This guy could actually win people over. He can be really convincing. That he is a doctor and black and that the only two Senators in the Senate would be Republicans, is just icing on an already delicious cake.

Valkyriepundit on March 23, 2013 at 9:11 AM

That someone should be elected based on the color of his skin should be offensive to everyone, but obviously it is not. Indeed, the left in general and the black community in particular are virulently racist and think nothing at all of doing precisely that. They will even crow about it. Ir avails us nothing to pretend otherwise.

Voluble on March 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM

He sounds extremely reasonable when he describes conservative policies. This guy could actually win people over. He can be really convincing. That he is a doctor and black and that the only two Senators in the Senate would be Republicans, is just icing on an already delicious cake.

Valkyriepundit on March 23, 2013 at 9:11 AM

its a flaw with moderates like Jazz. they don’t think conservatives can win by running as a conservative and will have to be “moderate in their postions” to win. Its the Mitt approach to politics and no matter how often it fails nationally and anywhere but deep blue states they continue to think so.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Jazz seemed to indicate that there are arguments against Carson on the right. All I heard was the same old elitist arguments . I’m supporting any run by any conservative at any time until they are proven to be liberal. If Carson wants to run in Mich, , it seems like an improvement to me.

I grow weary of Jazz. Maybe he could write another article about gay marriage. We haven’t one around here in a long time.

kpguru on March 23, 2013 at 9:16 AM

A POTUS run. Are you freckin kidding me.

The man is a freckin liberal.

oldyeller on March 23, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Lesser men have done it. In recent memory, in fact. VERY recent memory.

Cleombrotus on March 23, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Ir avails us nothing to pretend otherwise.

Voluble on March 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM

true at some point we must accept reality but it should never be totally about skin color. I’m sure Tim Scott and Alan west were helped gain some votes because they were black but it was their character, ideology and positons as well as ability that won them their seats.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:17 AM

oldyeller on March 23, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Some of you people are just beyond help.

KingGold on March 23, 2013 at 9:18 AM

I’m supporting any run by any conservative at any time until they are proven to be liberal. If Carson wants to run in Mich, , it seems like an improvement to me.

I grow weary of Jazz.

kpguru on March 23, 2013 at 9:16 AM

seems like a good plan and agree. If I were a betting man I would think the establishment has a guy in mind for that race.

How bad to Mitt the moderate do in MI again?

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Jazz,

Yeesh. Ben Carson’s conservative message is going to win him the Yoopers. Along with rural lower Michigan voters. Being a Johns Hopinks neurosurgeon will make inroads in Ann Arbor (he’s a smart guy, can’t possibly believe all that) and his skin color will win over Detroit.

The best part of his potential campaign will be in seeing how the Democrats attempt to smear him.

Do the Republicans nominate him because he’s black? No. And no one is suggesting that. He’s an articulate spokesman for traditional American values.

By shying away from him Jazz, you are playing right into the Fascist-Democrats hand. Simply based upon Ben’s skin color.

rbj on March 23, 2013 at 9:22 AM

It would be a bruising race which could force a number of nationally unpopular positions if he really wants to win, and those would come back to haunt him later. If he stuck to his guns and lost, the meme would begin about how he couldn’t even win in his home state. And the expected flood of traditionally liberal voters to his side would likely still not happen, as ideology can be easily swamped in the cat calls sure to follow.

This, in a nutshell, is exactly what’s wrong with politics. If he took positions unpopular with conservative/Republicans, they shouldn’t vote for him anyway.

He may or may not get the black vote but it would be a good test of his mettle.

Vince on March 23, 2013 at 9:22 AM

a moderate/liberal GOP can’t win in MI so we might as well run a conservative and give them a shot.

WJBK) –
Fox News has called the presidential race in the state of Michigan.

Sources inside Fox News say President Obama has beaten Mitt Romney by a margin of 52% to 47%.

Michigan contributes 16 electoral votes to national electoral college.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/20022374/fox-news-obama-wins-in-michigan#ixzz2OMvlRl8o

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

I like Dr. Carson, because he’s cool as hell. He can knock the POTUS and look good doing it. And:

I’m supporting any run by any conservative at any time until they are proven to be liberal. If Carson wants to run in Mich, it seems like an improvement to me.

kpguru on March 23, 2013 at 9:16 AM

This.

They can be white, black, green, or purple. I don’t care what their skin color is, to be honest. Conservative is conservative, liberal is liberal.

BigGator5 on March 23, 2013 at 9:28 AM

This, in a nutshell, is exactly what’s wrong with politics. If he took positions unpopular with conservative/Republicans, they shouldn’t vote for him anyway.

He may or may not get the black vote but it would be a good test of his mettle.

Vince on March 23, 2013 at 9:22 AM

yeap its something the moderate view misses. they assume the conservatives will vote for them regardless so they can move left to pick up votes. What they don’t see is the unseen effect that causes. By moving to the left they anger those conservatives they have taken for granted and some will stay home so the net effect is less. In fact move too far to the left and the net effect is a negative like Mitt found out in Nov.

If politicians stopped listening to consultants and look at all elections as a base and GOTV type of election instead of some grand strategy and issue psoitoning they would win more often and once seated they would be able to govern better since they would be able to deliver on campaign promises because they have the will of the voters behind them.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Sources inside Fox News say President Obama has beaten Mitt Romney by a margin of 52% to 47%(in MI).

think about this for a sec. 2014 will be low turnout. It will be a base election. All Mitt needed was 3% swing in the vote. If he was able to drive the conservative base to the polls he could have won MI and that was ina higher turnout election year.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Top o’ the morning at the top of your game. Nice. You even took down the silliness that Black voters are in whole or part the motivation to put Carson on the ballot. No one, to my knowledge, in the party has suggested minority votes as a consideration in proffering his candidacy.

Furthermore, I don’t believe in this private citizen advocate argument. How did Gov. Palin affect anything over the last few years? Her power has been diminished by leaving office, not expanded by it.

neoavatara on March 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Her influence on races outside Alaska began after she resigned her governorship. You can name a race she affected before ’09?

wolfsDad on March 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

How did Gov. Palin affect anything over the last few years? Her power has been diminished by leaving office, not expanded by it.
Maybe Dr. Carson chooses to stay in private life; I can totally respect that. But if he wants a true public role, that is the road less traveled, and no matter what, is a very tough road.
neoavatara on March 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Very true about Sarah Palin. Her stature and influence has diminished in the last few years. The only times she has made news in the last several months has been when she got fired from Fox News and when she made negative comments about Karl Rove in a speech. Kind of sad to see the cartoonish figure on the sidelines yelping for attention that she has become. And I was a big fan of hers at one point. She’s now in the same category as a Donald Trump.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Jazz, why do you post a picture of Dr. Carson in mid-blink with his eyes closed? Is it to make him look foolish? Asleep?

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Win or lose in a Senate race, this is the legacy of it being predicted far in advance. It would be a bruising race which could force a number of nationally unpopular positions if he really wants to win, and those would come back to haunt him later. If he stuck to his guns and lost, the meme would begin about how he couldn’t even win in his home state. And the expected flood of traditionally liberal voters to his side would likely still not happen, as ideology can be easily swamped in the cat calls sure to follow.

To all of this, I say, “So what?” I repeat, “So what? If Michigan doesn’t chose him, fine. That’s their choice. What will the media think of him, what will black activists say about him? We have to stop letting them govern our actions. If he’s conservative, we cover his back and let the chips fall where they may. I doubt he cares about memes and legacies and all this blogger pundit nonsense. Ugh all this fretting about such weak concerns is embarrassing. Now, he himself is the one who has to put up with all the crap, and yeah, maybe it’s not worth it. Let him decide.

Dongemaharu on March 23, 2013 at 9:40 AM

wolfsDad on March 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

morning wolf. nothing like starting the day at 5:00am to get the juices flowing.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:42 AM

?…choose

Dongemaharu on March 23, 2013 at 9:42 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Is there a bigger tool/fool here?

CTSherman on March 23, 2013 at 9:43 AM

One thing I despise is when political correctness takes precedent over truth, as is the case with this guy’s dishonest reasoning.
“simply based on the color of his skin – should be offensive to both liberals and conservatives.” Actually, if you’re honest and know Detroit, you know they have voted in corrupt buffoons for 50 year, bringing this states biggest city to it’s knees. Now were supposed to consider them wise and discerning voters simply because they’re black? Now let me give you a dose of reality. Detroit is the epicenter of low information voters. SNYDER’S emergency manager had 20% support in Detroit. That jumped to over 60% support in 48 hours after learning the guy was black. If Carson ran (preferably as an independent) he would get at least 25% of the black vote, many of whom wouldn’t spend five minutes looking into his stance on the issues. LOW INFORMATIONS VOTERS. Also, she is very well known in Detroit and very popular on a personal level. Far more people in Detroit know his name than the presumptive Democratic candidate. He visits inner city schools and gives lectures yearly. The media heralds him to no end. They will have to be careful, or their attacks will backfire. Low information voters won’t like Carson being attacked.
If Carson runs in Michigan he wins. End of story.

AmeriCuda on March 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Speaking of embarrassing…

Dongemaharu on March 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM

It seems that the good doctor will be giving a talk in A^2 (Ann Arbor to the uninitiated) in the next few days. He will be addressing medical faculty and students at U of M (his alma mater, iirc) about the role of doctors in society. Hmmmm. Well, at least he’s not (yet) hanging out in Iowa!

MichiCanuck on March 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Now, he himself is the one who has to put up with all the crap, and yeah, maybe it’s not worth it. Let him decide.

Dongemaharu on March 23, 2013 at 9:40 AM

good point. It’s Carson who should be deciding if he should run in MI not a blogger nor a consultant from Rove’s SPAC. If he thinks he can impact MI in a positive way and the nation in a positive way by running then he should run. I do know if he does he will have many supporters to help fund his campaign.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:46 AM

If Carson runs in Michigan he wins. End of story.

AmeriCuda on March 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM

maybe moderates like Jazz don’t want that to happen. Seems to me esp sinc ethe tidalwave of conservatives winning in 2010 moderates would rather lose with a moderate than win with a conservative.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:48 AM

It seems that the good doctor will be giving a talk in A^2 (Ann Arbor to the uninitiated) in the next few days. He will be addressing medical faculty and students at U of M (his alma mater, iirc) about the role of doctors in society. Hmmmm. Well, at least he’s not (yet) hanging out in Iowa!

MichiCanuck on March 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Good. hope he hammers the negative impacts of obamacare on doctors. Just read a survey showing 6 out of 10 DR’s are planning to retire earlier due to obamacare.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:51 AM

He won a fairly impressive victory in his gubernatorial race with 58%,but his approval ratings since then have hovered right around the 50% mark. Michigan generally only leans the GOP’s way in low turnout elections, and even then not by a large margin.

Michigan is a little more Republican than you know. While true it has been almost two decades now since we had our last Republican senator, the state senate has been controlled by Republicans since 1985, and they’ve also controlled the state house for 14 of the last 20 years. The problem we have had with statewide races are a slew of less than stellar candidates. The 2006 gubernatorial election was run Romney style (“Hey, at least I’m not Jennifer Granholm!”) with the same predictable result. And the Republican candidates we’ve had for the US Senate have been awful now for several elections. Even the last Republican incumbent Senator (Spencer Abraham) was less than adequate.

However, I’m not interested in a black Republican just for the sake of having a black Republican in the race. You are correct; I find the notion that Dr. Carson’s skin color is supposed to matter to me rather insulting. I just want to know if he is a solid conservative or not.

NotCoach on March 23, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Blacks will vote for blacks….always. I mean you look at Obama, 96% is a vote percentage usually used as a joke for Dictators who stuff the ballot box, unless you are talking about blacks. Racial Solidarity is their Raison d’être.

Bulletchaser on March 23, 2013 at 9:57 AM

But even more so, this idea that Michigan’s minority voters will suddenly abandon their liberal, union loving ways to support Carson – simply based on the color of his skin – should be offensive to both liberals and conservatives

Come on now, you telling me that 90% of black people support gay marriage, abortion etc? Skin color is the name of the game and being righteous about it loses elections.

Herb on March 23, 2013 at 9:59 AM

But we don’t know enough about this upstart:

Dr. Benjamin Carson is a Professor of Neurosurgery, Plastic Surgery, Oncology, and Pediatrics, and the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions. He is also the author of four bestselling books—Gifted Hands, Think Big, The Big Picture, and Take the Risk. He serves on the boards of the Kellogg Company, Costco Wholesale Corp., and the Academy of Achievement, among others, and is an Emeritus Fellow of the Yale Corporation. He and his wife, Candy, cofounded the Carson Scholars Fund (www.carsonscholars.org), a 501(c)3 established to counteract America’s crisis in education by identifying and rewarding academic role models in the fourth through eleventh grades, regardless of race, creed, religion and socio-economic status, who also demonstrate humanitarian qualities. There are over 4800 scholars in forty-five states. Ben and Candy are the parents of three grown sons and reside in Baltimore County, Maryland.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/gifted-hands-ben-carson/1100055547

https://www.google.com/search?q=ben+carson+biography&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

If you don’t know enough about Ben Carson, you are just too lazy.

davidk on March 23, 2013 at 9:59 AM

How did Gov. Palin affect anything over the last few years? Her power has been diminished by leaving office, not expanded by it.
neoavatara on March 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM

.
Ted Cruz disagrees.
I do not want to turn this not a Palin thread-(Gill)- but Palin was mostly an unknown as a Gov. After she resigned in 2009, she was integral in the shellacking of 2010. While the Tea Party mojo has simmered a bit, and she kept herself mostly on the sidelines for 2012, anyone who has the courage to go after the Marxist raised President and the corruption of DC will inherit the force. If Carson wants to be media enemy No. 1, that force will be with him.

FlaMurph on March 23, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Very true about Sarah Palin. Her stature and influence has diminished in the last few years. The only times she has made news in the last several months has been when she got fired from Fox News and when she made negative comments about Karl Rove in a speech. Kind of sad to see the cartoonish figure on the sidelines yelping for attention that she has become. And I was a big fan of hers at one point. She’s now in the same category as a Donald Trump.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Ah,yes. This is the bluegill we all know and love.

davidk on March 23, 2013 at 10:02 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM
Speaking of embarrassing…
Dongemaharu on March 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM

I have every right to express my opinion here, “dung-more-than-you”

I’m not going to put up with you idiots insulting me all the time anymore whenever I dare to point out that Sarah Palin isn’t infallible.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:03 AM

I’m not going to put up with you idiots insulting me all the time anymore whenever I dare to point out that Sarah Palin isn’t infallible.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:03 AM

So in other words you are butt hurt because others express their opinions.

NotCoach on March 23, 2013 at 10:05 AM

In response to unseen and others:

Palin had a great track record of endorsements in 2010, not so good in 2012.

She did endorse Ted Cruz who is a grand slam. She endorsed Deb Fischer in NE, but that was a no brainer.

She also endorsed Steelman in MO, who lost, and Mourdock in IN, who was a disaster.

I like Palin, but her star diminishes every year she is out of the political circle. Her endorsement was missing and deemed relatively irrelevant in the presidential nomination. And I doubt 2014 will be much different.

Players must be in the game. Being a talking head has minimal impact.

neoavatara on March 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Anyway, the truth is that Dr. Carson needs to work on his smug demeanor, and he shouldn’t let himself become too associated with people like Sarah Palin. He could be a strong candidate, but we’ll just have to see how he does when challenged and after taking stands on issues that will get him trouble with this or that group

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Ben and Candy are the parents of three grown sons and reside in Baltimore County, Maryland.

I didn’t click through all the links, has the good doctor said he is planning to move back to Michigan after he retires? My only fear is he is too normal, and at the same time too extraordinary, for politics.

Just like to throw out there, I’d support him if he ran as an Independent, too.

Fallon on March 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM

I like Palin, but her star diminishes every year she is out of the political circle. Her endorsement was missing and deemed relatively irrelevant in the presidential nomination. And I doubt 2014 will be much different.
Players must be in the game. Being a talking head has minimal impact.
neoavatara on March 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Very true. But Palin chose to quit when the going got tough. Few people take her seriously anymore. It is kind of sad to think what could have been. But I think a lot of it, too, is that she just wasn’t ready for primetime.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Considering how you’ve insulted every single Conservative on this Blog, numerous times, methinks thou dost protest too much.

Are you sure you’re not Captain Queeg’s daughter?

kingsjester on March 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM

“…but Mitt is the electable one.”

HAHAHAHAHA!

SurferDoc on March 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:03 AM
Considering how you’ve insulted every single Conservative on this Blog, numerous times, methinks thou dost protest too much.
Are you sure you’re not Captain Queeg’s daughter?
kingsjester on March 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM

That is a filthy lie. I know you like to play your little, “I am a real conservative and you aren’t” game, but don’t spew lies saying that I insult people. I was simply agreeing with another commenter about Sarah Palin’s diminishing influence after leaving office.

Now back to the subject of Dr. Carson, if you don’t mind…

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:18 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Now, that’s funny.

Did you every find out who stole those strawberries?

kingsjester on March 23, 2013 at 10:20 AM

…represent precisely why the doctor should eschew any such temptations.

You are right, but the reasons extend further into his identity and its cachet and its value of contrast in our time. The Senate, and the House, and Washington overall are increasingly seen as a swill pit, the last refuge of strutting and corrupt fools. Politics as we know it is failing, and in really ugly fashion. Carson’s appeal, such as it is, rests not merely on the fact he’s an “outsider” (a whored-out term by now) but on his distinct citizen-statesman identity aligned with his remarkable character and accomplishments. Becoming a Senator, trying to become a Senator, would risk having all that dissolve into the degraded slurry of the modern politician.

His implicit position seems to be that alert, informed and catholic citizenship is the highest qualification for public office. The Founders would have agreed. They were not politicians but accomplished and morally vigilant individuals of their times, who became great public servants, accountable to the Constitution.

Carson is wise to eschew the Senate.

rrpjr on March 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM

I’d prefer Sen Amash, but I don’t see the big deal about the GOP trying out their new branding. If Ben Carson doesn’t stand a chance in MI, what kind of future does conservatism have in this country?

aryeung on March 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM

That is a filthy lie…

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Trying out for the WH disinformation staff? Are you delusional or suffering from dementia?

The only Romney shill more insulting, infuriating, and obnoxious than you was that one woman, whose name escapes me right now, that seemed to disappear from these boards the moment Romney locked up the nomination.

NotCoach on March 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Very true about Sarah Palin. Her stature and influence has diminished in the last few years…
bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Palin going down to TX in her ridiculous looking cowboy boots and her too-tight t-shirts

Palin on the sidelines wearing Bristol’s tops
bluegill on February 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Envy is a bit*h.

rrpjr on March 23, 2013 at 10:29 AM

but don’t spew lies saying that I insult people

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Everyone already knows your opinion of Palin so there really is no reason to jump on every opportunity to harp on it. You are merely antagonizing her supporters now. Give it a rest and offer us something new.

lynncgb on March 23, 2013 at 10:30 AM

I like Dr. Carson. I, for the most part, like Allen West. At one point I liked Herman Cain.

These three were and are treated like such rock stars because they are black. Obviously they are impressive for reasons unrelated to skin color, but doesn’t it seem hypocritical for us to get so enamored with someone, largely because they are black? Simply put, although I think a white version of Dr. Carson would certainly be respected, I think it’s pretty clear he wouldn’t be the sudden celebrity that black Dr. Carson has become.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:30 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Conservatives don’t see skin color. We see Americans.

You have just revealed your Liberalism.

kingsjester on March 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM

I like Dr. Carson. I, for the most part, like Allen West. At one point I liked Herman Cain.
These three were and are treated like such rock stars because they are black. Obviously they are impressive for reasons unrelated to skin color, but doesn’t it seem hypocritical for us to get so enamored with someone, largely because they are black? Simply put, although I think a white version of Dr. Carson would certainly be respected, I think it’s pretty clear he wouldn’t be the sudden celebrity that black Dr. Carson has become.
bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:30 AM

One minute you’re attacking White Sarah Palin and her dumb supporters. Now you’re accusing the same people of some sort of reverse racism. Bahaha.

You all are being trolled.

aryeung on March 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM

I like Palin, but her star diminishes every year she is out of the political circle. Her endorsement was missing and deemed relatively irrelevant in the presidential nomination. And I doubt 2014 will be much different.

Players must be in the game. Being a talking head has minimal impact.

neoavatara on March 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Yet one more reason Mitt lost. her endorsements in 2012 was the only bright spot for the entire GOP party. compared to rove’s 1% and $300 million her word alone out produced that. Mitt was an idiot for not seeking Palin’s help in the election and trying to “diminish” her power by not inviting her to the RNC. 2014 remains to be seen but form CPAC and her early speaking engagements it appears she will be a force to in 2014.

As far as your point. If she would have stayed in AK in office 2010 wouldn’t have been the landslide it was and I doubt anything she would have done in AK would have been as big of a national impact as the 2010 elections were.

which all shows that Carson can have an impact on the debate whether he is in office or not.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM

But even more so, this idea that Michigan’s minority voters will suddenly abandon their liberal, union loving ways to support Carson – simply based on the color of his skin – should be offensive to both liberals and conservatives.

Yeah, right. The left put up the inexperienced, voting present, Marxist connected, TOTUS dependent, Obama with nothing at all going for him other than the fact that he had the untouchable “correct color of skin” to use as a weapon against all and any critics. The white guilt and the “he’s one of us” votes, put him over, so the idea that someone is not going to get votes because of the color of their skin is unsupportable.

Don L on March 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM

NotCoach on March 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Joana. I swear she was a paid shill from the Romney campaign and I’m not one to normally believe that such people exist around here.

NotCoach on March 23, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Dr. Carson’s recent comments on the Bill of Rights makes any conservative political career at the national level problematic. He said in effect that the Bill of Rights should apply geographically depending on where you live. That the Second Amendment should not apply in cities, and by inference the first and all of the Bill of Rights is an ala carte, pick-and-choose menu depending on where you live. This is the new age Bill of Rights bifurcation political agenda being pursued by progressives in legislatures and courts because they could never get a Constitutional Amendment to implement their agenda. Being weak or “practical” on the Bill of Rights is a non-starter for conservatives.

Tripwhipper on March 23, 2013 at 10:37 AM

I like Palin, but her star diminishes every year she is out of the political circle. Her endorsement was missing and deemed relatively irrelevant in the presidential nomination.
neoavatara on March 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM

And which one of those GOP loser candidates would you have had her endorse?

Don L on March 23, 2013 at 10:38 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:30 AM
Conservatives don’t see skin color. We see Americans.
You have just revealed your Liberalism.
kingsjester on March 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Everyone sees skin color. I also see you haven’t stopped with your, “I’m such a true conservative and you are not as pure as me” routine. Give it a rest. It is so ridiculous.

What I am saying is that we tend to be very eager to elevate black conservatives. How can you not see this? It is understandable, but it feels like affirmative action of sorts.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM

You are no Conservative.

kingsjester on March 23, 2013 at 10:41 AM

idea that Michigan’s minority voters will suddenly abandon their liberal, union loving ways to support Carson – simply based on the color of his skin

Sorry Jazz, you do not understand the mentality of the Detroit low information voter. They knew Kwame Kilpatrick was a crook but re-elected him because he was (dare I say it) black. He stole millions from the city in corruption to rival his predecessor Coleman A Young (also black).
Here an example, my brother was downtown getting his yearly cancer checkup (4 years cancer free now) just before the 2012 election and overheard many people in the hospital say that the economy sucks but they were voting for Obama because he was black.
Even Jimmy Kimmel had a man on the street thing lately where one black women admitted she did not follow politics but voted for Obama because he was black.
Dr. Carson would have a good shot here in Michigan I think.

mechkiller_k on March 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM

At the Senate race level, the growing implementation of Obamacare in 2014 and the public’s likely negative reaction to it will make running as a renowed surgeon with different ideas on health care reform a major asset for Carson.

The X factor in Michigan is going to be the Detroit bankruptcy and state takeover, which is loudly being protested by the city and state’s Democrats right now. That’s an issue that figures to drive the 2014 gubernatorial race, with the Dems promising Detroit voters they’ll let them go back to their budget-busting ways if they’ll give them back control of state government. How that message plays out in Detroit and outside the city — where voters might rise up in protest of the idea of letting Detroit be Detroit again with their tax money — will determine what the demographic turnout is, and will affect any potential Senate race by Carson.

jon1979 on March 23, 2013 at 10:51 AM

mechkiller_k on March 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM

It is more complicated than that. Kilpatrick was not running against a white dude, but other black politicians, and Young was seen as a black warrior who would finally get blacks their cut (while stealing his own cut of course for his entire political career and being the engineer that made Detroit what it is today). The problem with Detroit, a city that has lost maybe 2/3 of its population in the last 40 years, is that only criminals and welfare lifers are left in the city (I only exaggerate slightly). I doubt Carson would attract a majority of black voters in Michigan if he isn’t running as a member of the Criminal Party. Unfortunately much of this is wrapped up in the disgusting notion of being “authentically” black as well. Many blacks in Detroit would view Carson suspiciously as a result.

NotCoach on March 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Anyway, the truth is that Dr. Carson needs to work on his smug demeanor,

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:09 AM

You say this on every Dr. Carson thread–we get the message. Smug, or simply proud and buzzing after conquering the world of medicine, his profession and using the influence and wealth this has brought to effect change? How many of us ever get to do that? If you really listen to him you’ll hear humility and reverence of God, but most of all his mother and of the human potential.

And anyway, how big do you think your head would be if you had over 50 honorary degrees from distinguished institutions all over the world based on your groundbreaking professional work and humanitarian efforts? Just slightly big? Let the guy bask a little will ya? At least he can back it up, unlike sneering fools who comment on blogs.

Let’s leave the ‘uppity’ Uncle Tom bit to the Left, shall we? In any event, I can agree to disagree that what you see as ‘smug’ I affectionately see as well-founded pride. Hell, my head was swollen for weeks after I beat over 100 people in a poetry contest and got $50 bucks from some low-circulation, bootleg poetry mag.

RepubChica on March 23, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I’m for him running as an Independent grassroots candidate (his registered status). Screw the GOP. Even if he fails against big party monied politics. He still has a shot, and taking shots is what he’s very impressively good at. He’s lost a lot more in his medical career, with lives literally in his hands, than a lowly senate seat.

RepubChica on March 23, 2013 at 11:11 AM

I wouldn’t waste the good doctor on such a risky run- which is such obvious pandering, it’s insulting. I still want him to be the HHS Secretary in the next administration, to help undo the destruction of healthcare by Obamacare and get back to a sustainable patient-centric model.

michaelo on March 23, 2013 at 11:12 AM

maybe moderates like Jazz don’t want that to happen. Seems to me esp sinc ethe tidalwave of conservatives winning in 2010 moderates would rather lose with a moderate than win with a conservative.

unseen on March 23, 2013 at 9:48 AM

I have no doubt about this. To “moderates” and Beltway RINOs, leftist Democrats are not the enemy. Conservatism is.

It’s one of the things that drives me away from Hot Air on the weekends.

Right Mover on March 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM

michaelo on March 23, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Not a bad idea at all, however, I’ve been seeing a rumor on the web (unsourced & unverified)that Dr. Carson turned down a high cabinet position in the Obama admin years ago. He’s obviously no fan of the Obama WH and wanted no part of an outright government takeover of health services in this country.

If the rumor is true, perhaps he might reconsider in another administration?

RepubChica on March 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM

As I posted yesterday, the right thing to do is run for Governor of Maryland. He needs to win a political office and demonstrate executive ability. Then he can run for Senator, VP, or President on more than just words.

huckleberryfriend on March 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Very true. But Palin chose to quit when the going got tough. Few people take her seriously anymore. It is kind of sad to think what could have been. But I think a lot of it, too, is that she just wasn’t ready for primetime.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM

You are like bad spot that won’t go away.

sad to think what it could have been from a loon that hates Pali.

oldyeller on March 23, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Sorry, Jazz you couldn’t be more wrong on this one.

People in Michigan aren’t saying he should run because he’s black, though that’s part of it. They’re saying he should run because he’s a cultural icon in Detroit. He’s a hero from a city that quite frankly could use one right now. This isn’t Alan Keyes, or even Alan West. He’s been working with charities in the city for decades. They hang his picture in classrooms in Michigan.

Carson is what the Left portrayed Obama as. He has the intellectual gravitas in a place that, outside of Ann Arbor, which is where the governor is from, doesn’t have that much of an intellectual life. You couldn’t have a better figure to transcend the racial divide in Michigan than Ben Carson. Not much has been made of it, but Romney did surprisingly well among younger blacks, and he was running against the first black president. I would love to watch the left try and call the former head of pediatric neurosurgey at Johns Hopkins an “amateur.” This isn’t Sarah Palin.

Carson is a nightmare for the Democratic Party of Michigan, which is already struggling because of a lack of talent. He can relate to the plight of the African American community in a way that most conservatives can’t. You want outreach? This is it. The union political machine has already been mortally wounded in Michigan, you put Carson on the Senate slot, you could turn Michigan into a red state like Indiana very quickly. Getting 30% of the black vote rather than the absurd paltry of 10% does that.

Bill Whittle made a great speech after the election. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgxlp2UJI5I

He expressed a great point: we need to have engage in culture. They’ve made movies about Dr. Carson, he is the cultural figure in Michigan that the state needs. He’s a perfect person for the Senate, not president. I suspect he knows that.

cpaulus on March 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM

oldyeller on March 23, 2013 at 8:48 AM

…full blown RABIES!

KOOLAID2 on March 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM

For those wanting more of an idea where he stands on issues and the political spectrum, here’s Dr. Carson on CNN’s new Jake Tapper show ‘The Lead’. It’s quite short, don’t worry, but illustrative.

RepubChica on March 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM

There is nobody in my state from the left that will be able to beat him (imho).

jenny says no…whew…so who does that leave Peters? HA! any current house member? Charles Phue!? What? Please

Let the party begin – Carson in a landslide!

Carry On –

God bless you all

not-ur-avragejoe on March 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Dr. Carson,

Please don’t waste your time in Michigan. it’s a steaming pile of excrement that gave us winners like Debbie Stabenow, Levin and Romney. They’ve also given us countless generations of welfare queens, drug addled clowns and legions of union workers upset that they only make $50 an hour watching some piece of machinery and complaining about the working conditions. Never mind that 10,000 applicants go after each job opening.

Many of the wonderful concepts such as creative government acocunting and budgets, obamacare, gun control in urban enviroments and public teachers making 100k a year plus pensions seem to have originated there. It’s also ground zero for the concept of the “ruling elite”. The entire state works hard and pays for the elite in Detroit, Lansing and Ann Arbor to live in their fantasy land that is enabled by the producers subsidizing the “intellectuals”.

I realize that you are genuinely good person that wants to make a difference but please don’t waste your precious time and gift on this place when you can try to make a difference for the entire country.

acyl72 on March 23, 2013 at 11:39 AM

bluegill on March 23, 2013

cracked record cracked head crackhead !

KOOLAID2 on March 23, 2013 at 11:40 AM

I’ll say again Carson is too good to run for any office.

He can spread his conservative messages…and that includes other networks other than FOX. Go to universities, campaign events, fund-raise…but he is NOT a politician and would never stand up under the horrendous scrutiny

Condi Rice…same boat.

Redford on March 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

You people are bigots.

Bishop on March 23, 2013 at 11:51 AM

…P L E A S E run Dr. Carson…WE NEED YOU…!!!

KOOLAID2 on March 23, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Ben Carson for MI Sen? Not so fast.

Three words: Senator Al Franken

Why must our side over-think things?

stefanite on March 23, 2013 at 11:55 AM

RepubChica on March 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Thanks, good clip. It covers the waterfront from welfare to Iraq.

rrpjr on March 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM

but he is NOT a politician and would never stand up under the horrendous scrutiny

Redford on March 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

..
Back up a minute.
Ron Johnson WI – is the very reason the Dr. could get into politics- I sent his far away campaign a donation, because like many – I AM TIRED OF POLITICIANS GOING TO DC AND ENRICHING THEIR LIVES WITH TAXPAYER MONEY- whose major focus is me- me, and line their pockets- Johnson had already earned his way to represent voters- in the private sector! That was a positive for Romney as well.

If the Dr. truly believes what he expressed at the prezzie Prayer Breakfast, and sees the pending train wreck – he should- if his private life allows – stand up and fight for what he believes in. And the fact he is a Black and not in love with Oblamer is huge- as it is his race that has been most exploited and enslaved by the great

Its time to fight the urge to continue the CAREER DC POLITICIAN mentality. They are the problem.

And as far as scrutiny goes, by evidence at CPAC recently the most scrutinized and hated woman in America is still alive and kicking.

Clint Eastwood said it very plainly. This is our country – not the politicians.

FlaMurph on March 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM

I suspect you would be well advised to continue a longer introduction to politics by remaining beyond the reach of the GOP strategists, and let the party apparatus catch up to you instead, Mr. Carson.

Shape your arguments as a citizen, and let the GOP guess what your political path will be. FWIW.

Saltysam on March 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

<blockquoteThis is your freckin problem. The man gives one speech and you act like a bunch of goofballs. This is why you never win.
As I recall, this was a very successful recipe for our resident President.

That said, just because it worked for freckin liberals doesn’t mean we should try to duplicate it.

UnrepentantCurmudgeon on March 23, 2013 at 12:24 PM

but he is NOT a politician and would never stand up under the horrendous scrutiny
Redford on March 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I agreed with what you said up to that point. I don’t think it would be a question of Carson “standing up” in the traditional sense as it would be how he would embody a non-traditional form of political self-representation that would cause great frustration to the basically juvenile Leftist model. I think this is what the democrats really fear, as reflected in Rush’s comments. Carson would not play the offense-defense game Republicans have been conditioned to accept. One can already see how his character works in the realm of politics, how it jams the signals.

As for Condi, though, I agree with you.

rrpjr on March 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Jazz, why do you post a picture of Dr. Carson in mid-blink with his eyes closed? Is it to make him look foolish? Asleep?

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM

…yes Jazz you dumb azz!…who would look at that picture as the serene Dr. Carson…having a moment of Serenity !

KOOLAID2 on March 23, 2013 at 12:32 PM

like Dr. Carson. I, for the most part, like Allen West. At one point I liked Herman Cain.

These three were and are treated like such rock stars because they are black. Obviously they are impressive for reasons unrelated to skin color, but doesn’t it seem hypocritical for us to get so enamored with someone, largely because they are black? Simply put, although I think a white version of Dr. Carson would certainly be respected, I think it’s pretty clear he wouldn’t be the sudden celebrity that black Dr. Carson has become.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:30 AM

…hmmm! ..how come no one here has referred to or mentions ^ ^ ^ the color of someone’s skin in their posts regarding Dr. Carson?

Anyway, the truth is that Dr. Carson needs to work on his smug demeanor,

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:09 AM

…a little too “uppity” …for you?

KOOLAID2 on March 23, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Condi Rice…same boat.

Redford on March 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I disagree.

We have yet to see what Mr. Carson is made of politically. His approach, at this point anyway, has been to independently make a general case against micro-managed society by an out of control government. He appears willing to stick his chin out, and take on the consolidation of centralized power in our nation.

To me, Condaleeza Rice, is a poor comparison, for two reasons:

First, I saw little, if any, indication that she was concerned that the growing authority of the Federal government was of primary import. Condi was wonkish in the foreign policy arena, specifically, the cold war model. She was never, IMHO, a potential leader.

Second, and more importantly, Condi is currently irrelevant. If we are to compare Ben Carson in the national arena, I think we would be better served to compare him to current and active voices that are in the middle of the fray.

Saltysam on March 23, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Anyway, the truth is that Dr. Carson needs to work on his smug demeanor, and he shouldn’t let himself become too associated with people like Sarah Palin. He could be a strong candidate, but we’ll just have to see how he does when challenged and after taking stands on issues that will get him trouble with this or that group

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 10:09 AM

someone tell Dr. Carson that taking political advise from bluegill the mitt bott is like taking batting lessons from the strike out king …

conservative tarheel on March 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM

someone tell Dr. Carson that taking political advise from bluegill the mitt bott is like taking batting lessons from the strike out king …

conservative tarheel on March 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Lol. I immediately thought of Rob Deer when I read your post. :P

Robert George Deer (born September 29, 1960 in Orange, California) is a former American baseball player. He attended Canyon High School in Anaheim and Fresno City College, and was drafted by the San Francisco Giants in the 4th round of the 1978 amateur draft.
Deer is famous for hitting the game-tying home run on Easter Sunday in 1987,[1] to give the Milwaukee Brewers their 12th straight win to start the season.[2] The home run was featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated.[3][4] He holds the dubious honor of having the lowest official batting average while still qualifying for the batting title when he batted .179 in 1991. He is the only player since 1910 to have a batting average less than .220 in at least 400 at-bats in at least four seasons.
Deer held the American League record for strikeouts in a season (186 strikeouts in 1987) until being passed by Jack Cust in 2008, and had at least 140 strikeouts on seven occasions.[5] Deer averaged a strikeout every 2.75 at-bats.[6]
Deer has also gained some notoriety among studiers of baseball statistics due to his propensity for the Three True Outcomes (defined as a strikeout, home run, or bases on balls.) [7] Because of his ability to hit home runs and take walks and better-than-average fielding ability, he remained a moderately valuable player despite his complete inability to hit for average, as evidenced by his career 17.0 Wins Over Replacement.[8]
Since his playing days, Deer has served as a roving hitting instructor for the San Diego Padres minor league system and is currently the owner of Viz-U-Bat.[9] On November 26, 2012, Deer was named the assistant hitting coach for the Chicago Cubs, under his friend Dale Sveum, manager of the Cubs. They Milwaukee Brewers teammates from 1986-1990. He is also very close friends with former Brewers teammates Chris Bosio (the Cubs pitching coach) and Robin Yount.
As of 1986, he worked for his father’s construction firm.

Sometimes people who are really bad at something know what not to do and can teach others what to avoid. Unfortunately bluegill does not fall into this category.

I remember in 1991 Rob Deer, while playing for the Detroit Tigers, was in danger of having a strikeout total that rivaled his batting average. He ended the season with 175 strikeouts and a batting average of 0.179. Sparky Anderson sat him for most of the games near the end of the season so he could avoid that particular embarrassment. :P

NotCoach on March 23, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Very true about Sarah Palin. Her stature and influence has diminished in the last few years. The only times she has made news in the last several months has been when she got fired from Fox News and when she made negative comments about Karl Rove in a speech. Kind of sad to see the cartoonish figure on the sidelines yelping for attention that she has become. And I was a big fan of hers at one point. She’s now in the same category as a Donald Trump.

bluegill on March 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

BS! She’s got some faults and has made some poor decisions, but, if not for her, Nebraska could likely have Bob Kerrey instead of Deb Fisher as a senator. And, I’m not a big Palin fan.

a capella on March 23, 2013 at 1:09 PM

oldyeller on March 23, 2013

…*whispers*…(I wasn’t being mean to you…but you have to check him out first!)…he’s been around for more than one speech…

KOOLAID2 on March 23, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Who is Dr. Carson? Is he black?

Rusty Allen on March 23, 2013 at 1:30 PM

What Dr. Carson needs to do, in my opinion, is to expose to those “minority voters” how they have been basically segregated by the Democratic Party and have been intentionally kept out of the middle class by the very programs the Democrats use to “assist” them that really lock them in at the bottom of the economic ladder. Once he exposes how they have been taken advantage of, deprived of economic mobility, given second rate educations, and had their families destroyed, he can maybe make some progress.

The Democrats have a pretty simple mechanism for doing this. First, they rely on the notion of “white privilege” to send the message of: “you are never going to amount to anything, the system is stacked against you. Don’t bother trying the conventional way to move up, you can’t. The only way you are going to get more “stuff” is for us to give it to you. So vote us into office and you won’t need ‘jobs’. We will just send you a check. And, we will jerk a knot in the wallets of those evil rich privileged white people in the process and make them pay for it”. But what it really does is ensures that the problems that cause them to be poor never go away. It locks them in to voting for Democrats forever. Democrats have discovered economic and educational segregation instead of physical segregation and deliver it in a way that makes them happy to live with it.

Ben Carson teaches a different path. If you have a normal brain, you are just as capable of anything as anyone else. You do not need to lock yourself in to dependence on government handouts and you don’t need to settle for bad schools. That scares the daylights out of the Democrats because it has the potential to break their multigenerational hold on various minorities.

Explaining that they are poor not because of “white privilege” but because of Democrats making sure they are poor and making sure they stay poor for their own political advantage is the way to get it done.

crosspatch on March 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

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