Great news: Feds have quietly given up on measuring border security

posted at 2:01 pm on March 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

This will be spun by the Gang of Eight, of course, as evidence that their bill is needed now more than ever to force DHS to get serious about the border. In reality, it’s evidence that no matter how many promises Congress makes about border security, there’s no reason to believe they’re committed to maximizing enforcement.

I was undecided yesterday but now I’m formally prepared to endorse the libertarian position on immigration. “Open borders: At least it’s honest.”

More than two years after Homeland Security officials told Congress that they would produce new, more accurate standards to assess security at the nation’s borders, senior officials from the department acknowledged this week that they had not completed the new measurements and were not likely to in coming months, as the debate proceeds about overhauling the immigration system.

Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers were taken aback at a hearing on Wednesday in the House of Representatives when Mark Borkowski, a senior Homeland Security official, said he had no progress to report on a broad measure of border conditions the department had been working on since 2010. The lawmakers warned that failure by the Obama administration to devise a reliable method of border evaluation could imperil passage of immigration legislation…

“We need to have a measurement,” Senator John McCain of Arizona insisted at a hearing in the Senate last week.

“We need to assure the American people that we have effective control of the border and we have made advances to achieve that,” he said. “I need to have something to assure people they are not going to live in fear.”

You know things are bad when even McCain’s frustrated with the lack of oversight, although in fairness that’s just because he’s eager for a fig leaf to show border hawks so that they’ll sign off on legalization. Byron York has more from the hearing:

Miller appeared stunned and practically begged Borkowski, along with two other Homeland Security officials who were testifying, to tell her what she wanted to hear. “I’m just trying to let this all digest,” she said. “We’re sort of sitting here, as a Congress … At what point will you be able to give us something?”

She never got an answer.

Even Democrats who oppose tying immigration reform to border security realized they were being played. “I would say to the department, you’ve got to get in the game,” said a frustrated-sounding Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee. “At some point, we’re going to have to have DHS work with us more concretely about the confidence of the security of the border.”

Rep. Ron Barber, the Democrat who replaced Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona, noted, “The Border Patrol rolled out last May a new strategy that didn’t have goals, didn’t have metrics, didn’t have a process for evaluation. That’s not really a plan, is it?”

Follow the link for a quick and dirty history of laws passed by Congress over the past 15 years aimed at strengthening the feds’ ability to track immigrants who illegally overstayed their work visas. Fifteen years later, Republicans like Rubio and Rand Paul who are pushing comprehensive reform assure us that this time will be different. Incidentally, Chuck Schumer claimed last night that the Gang of Eight has reached a deal on 90 percent of its new immigration bill — including the path to citizenship. Work visas have been a sticky issue from the start and reportedly were as sticky as ever as recently as yesterday, so I assume that’s what accounts for most of the remaining 10 percent. How about border security, though? Has a deal been reached yet on whether border improvements will or won’t be used as a trigger for legalizing the 11 million illegals who are already here? At this point, if I’m Schumer, I’d give Rubio and the GOP basically anything they ask for on security. DHS obviously won’t be sticklers in carrying out the law, and as we get closer to 2016 the Republicans in Congress won’t be sticklers about holding them accountable for it. It’s a fig leaf for the amnesty provisions in the bill, so what’s the harm in making the fig leaf a little bigger than it might have been? Democrats are big winners here. Give the GOP whatever they need to rubber-stamp this thing and then declare victory.


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I thought this would be about those pesky Canadians.

Otherwise, this kabuki is very bad kabuki and wish I could change the channel and it would go away.

kim roy on March 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM

WASHINGTON — Even as they lost scores of illegal firearms in their Fast and Furious operation, federal ATF agents asked their Border Patrol counterparts not to pursue criminal leads or track gun smuggling in southern Arizona so they could follow the firearms themselves, and senior Homeland Security agents “complied and the leads were not investigated,” according to a new Department of Homeland Security inspector general’s report.

The report, obtained Thursday by The [LA] Times, also said that a Homeland Security special agent on the border was collaborating with the ATF in Fast and Furious, but his “senior leaders” in Arizona never read his updates about fundamental flaws with the failed gun tracking operation. Had they done so, Homeland Security officials could have tried to close down the operation before one of their Border Patrol agents, Brian Terry, was killed not far from Tucson.

Furthermore, the report determined that top Department of Homeland Security officials in Washington did not learn about Fast and Furious until Terry was shot to death in December 2010 and two of the 1,430 lost firearms were found at the scene of his murder.

It sounds like they have given up even more that first thought.

J_Crater on March 22, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Obama and Napolitano are national criminals.

1. See illegal release of criminal illegal aliens.

2. See this.

3. Add your own.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2013 at 2:05 PM

When do we come upon the part where there is “grown-up” supervision ?

J_Crater on March 22, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Great news: Feds have quietly given up on measuring border security

I am shocked, shocked I tell you to discover that the open borders Marxist Obamanation Administration have given up on Border Security.

SWalker on March 22, 2013 at 2:06 PM

In the private sector they would “fire” the supervision involved.

The federal government on the other hand uses the “old Catholic Church” methodology … just move them around … like abusive priests.

J_Crater on March 22, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Let ‘em all in.

Who gives a shit, anymore?

Shit, I’m for letting all of Rwanda and Burundi in, so they can hack each other to bits, on American streets, with garden tool implements.

Let ‘em all in.

I don’t give a shit.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 22, 2013 at 2:08 PM

At this point, if I’m Schumer, I’d give Rubio and the GOP basically anything they ask for on security. DHS obviously won’t be sticklers in carrying out the law, and as we get closer to 2016 the Republicans in Congress won’t be sticklers about holding them accountable for it. It’s a fig leaf for the amnesty provisions in the bill, so what’s the harm in making the fig leaf a little bigger than it might have been?

They won’t give the GOP this fig leap precisely because the GOP will sign whatever the Democrats give them as long as it has amnesty. Why not humiliate the GOP as much as possible and maximize the pain for the base? The worse this deal looks for the Republicans the fewer grassroots Republicans donate and GOTV in 2014 and 2016. I know I’ll be telling people to stay home.

Doomberg on March 22, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Ignoramus in Chief

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

My brother, a BP agent just received his furlough notice. The majority of the BP received the same he said. They are so upset with this administration and have been for some time. The Border Patrol has had their hands tied for a couple years now.

vinceautmorire on March 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Even Democrats who oppose tying immigration reform to border security realized they were being played. “I would say to the department, you’ve got to get in the game,” said a frustrated-sounding Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee. “At some point, we’re going to have to have DHS work with us more concretely about the confidence of the security of the border.”

Transalation: “Can’t you lie to us better than this?”

Bitter Clinger on March 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I just wish that I was one of those dudes, up in Alaska, who can shoot a moose and catch some fish and live happily, without any political pigs in perpetuity in his life.

I’m so sick of this shit.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

My brother, a BP agent just received his furlough notice. The majority of the BP received the same he said. They are so upset with this administration and have been for some time. The Border Patrol has had their hands tied for a couple years now.

vinceautmorire on March 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Just thank God your brother has survived this administration. Brian Terry wasn’t so fortunate.

Bitter Clinger on March 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Even Democrats who oppose tying immigration reform to border security realized they were being played. “I would say to the department, you’ve got to get in the game,” said a frustrated-sounding Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee. “At some point, we’re going to have to have DHS work with us more concretely about the confidence of the security of the border.”

Transalation: “Can’t you lie to us better than this?”

Bitter Clinger on March 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Can’t imagine her caring about anything that isn’t race-based, so this is just her pleading for a CYA moment.

kim roy on March 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Why only 15 years? I’m still waiting for the Reagan deal to be enforced, one part of which is where employers would be required to verify their employees were legal. Seriously, as far as I’m concerned that deal is still in effect.

Fenris on March 22, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Pretty soon it’s just straight open borders. And with the quickly growing coalition of liberals and Hispanics pushing to allow anyone from Mexico to migrate to the US and become a citizen legally right away, what we need now is the Republicans to get behind giving citizenship to millions of these illegals to speed up the process of the de facto merger of the US & Mexico, and then the full tilt redistribution of assets to these new low income immigrants and their prolific offspring with a 10%+ yearly Wealth Tax etc can begin for real.

anotherJoe on March 22, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I just really am not getting why Republicans think that signing on to a plan that will guarantee the party permanent minority status is a good idea. Sure, some of them are just as statist and liberal as their democrat counterparts, but you’d think they would still want to have a place at the table. This guarantees electoral defeat for most of them, even the ones pushing amnesty for illegals as those illegals gain the right to vote and push the button for democrats who will give them free stuff.

Rep. Ron Barber, the Democrat who replaced Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona

What an odd way to identify a Representative. Why not just “Arizona Representative Ron Barber”? Now, if the media was slanted as far right as it is left now, the statement would have been, “Representative Ron Barber, who represents one of the most liberal bastions of Arizona …” I’m actually kind of surprised York didn’t go full retard with, “Rep. Ron Barber, the Democrat who replaced Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona following her tragic shooting by a crazed gunman using a 9 mm pistol with high capacity magazines, …”

AZfederalist on March 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I just wish that I was one of those dudes, up in Alaska, who can shoot a moose and catch some fish and live happily, without any political pigs in perpetuity in his life.

I’m so sick of this shit.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there’s still three more years of this along with the load that’s going to get dumped as he’s leaving office.

Don’t give up, stay with the fight.

kim roy on March 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

A country that will not control its borders is doomed…

d1carter on March 22, 2013 at 2:15 PM

“What difference at this point does it make?”

Seriously, If they kept track of things then there would be actual data that they may (or may not) have to answer for. It’s far easier to remain unaccountable when there’s literally no accounting for anything.

forest on March 22, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Can’t imagine her caring about anything that isn’t race-based, so this is just her pleading for a CYA moment.

kim roy on March 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Yep. That’s what I was getting at. She’d rather DHS just come up with some fake statistics to give her that CYA than say they’re not even measuring anything.

Bitter Clinger on March 22, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Be prepared to tell your grandchildren what America and freedom used to be like. They won’t believe it, but tell them anyway. This is just so sad.

Deano1952 on March 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

The DHS is not interested in doing the jobs that Congress has legislated to it.
We obviously need immigrants filling those positions, doing the jobs that Americans won’t!

Another Drew on March 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a thousand times -

It’s time to completely federalize a 50mi swath of land along the entire length of the southern border, declare it as one huge Army base and let the military control it.

If it’s one thing the military knows how to do, it is to defend and hold a line in the sand.

This is the only way to effectively shutdown the entire southern border. Any illegals caught instantly become subject to military jurisdiction and will be politely drop 10 yards outside the border and told they will be shot on sight next time….

powerpickle on March 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

What an odd way to identify a Representative. Why not just “Arizona Representative Ron Barber”? Now, if the media was slanted as far right as it is left now, the statement would have been, “Representative Ron Barber, who represents one of the most liberal bastions of Arizona …” I’m actually kind of surprised York didn’t go full retard with, “Rep. Ron Barber, the Democrat who replaced Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona following her tragic shooting by a crazed gunman using a 9 mm pistol with high capacity magazines, who was prodded to shoot Giffords by Sarah Palin’s bullseyes on an online map…”

AZfederalist on March 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Just thought I’d add a little more to it.

Bitter Clinger on March 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Great news: Feds have quietly given up on measuring border security

Well, this is a change from the previous practice of cooking the books. Incompetano was saying that we were deporting more people than ever before. This was accomplished by starting to count apprehended illegals, caught at the border and taken back across with no penalties, as “deportations.” They were never counted before, so the practice grossly inflated the number of counted “deportations.”

At least this is more honest.

iurockhead on March 22, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Don’t give up, stay with the fight.

kim roy on March 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

I know, especially when this is what they want – for us to give up.

I’m just sick of all of the shit. My dad said that this would happen to our country.

So, it’s not that I didn’t see it coming – I’m just sickened by my own country and her People, and that this malignancy of Marxism has come.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 22, 2013 at 2:21 PM

powerpickle on March 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I’ve been saying that for a long time. It would make the Ronulans happy too, bring home all the troops from Germany, Korea, Middle East, and just have one big army training ground on the southern border. Live fire, artillery practice, attack jets doing random strafing, etc.

Fenris on March 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM

powerpickle on March 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

50 miles wide by 1900 miles long, that’s 95,000 square miles. One big honkin’ army base.

Lots of live-fire excercises, I presume?

iurockhead on March 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM

just really am not getting why Republicans think that signing on to a plan that will guarantee the party permanent minority status is a good idea. Sure, some of them are just as statist and liberal as their democrat counterparts, but you’d think they would still want to have a place at the table. This guarantees electoral defeat for most of them, even the ones pushing amnesty for illegals as those illegals gain the right to vote and push the button for democrats who will give them free stuff.

AZfederalist on March 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Most of the Republican leadership right now, and the party hacks and shills who support them blindly, are caught up in magical thinking that used to be the provenance of just the Democrats. They are all convinced that they can buy the Hispanic vote by giving them amnesty and putting them on welfare. Anyone who brings up the Reagan deal failure is just a “TruCon” and a “racist” that just doesn’t understand “reality.”

Many of them also fantasize this will end their problem with the Republican base, as who needs a bunch of tea-partying, Bible-thumping, gun-toting, gap-toothed, etc etc rednecks when they’ve just bought themselves the votes of 30 million+ Hispanics?

When this scheme inevitably fails in 2014 and 2016, look for them to blame “right-wing racism” for “costing us the Hispanic vote.”

Doomberg on March 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Will someone ask her if this bullet purchase is real and by what expenditure did it occur?

pat on March 22, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Call your congresspeople guys.Make their lives hell like in 2007. I’m doing that to basically all Republican gang of 8.

Flapjackmaka on March 22, 2013 at 2:25 PM

What, too busy spying on US citizens and buying up all the ammo? That woman is despicable, what she’s done to our country in the name of “security.” But she’s done it all with the blessing of the president and his party.

scalleywag on March 22, 2013 at 2:27 PM

They have no way to measure border security, but that doesn’t stop them from continually assuring Americans that “the border is more secure than ever!” and that’s why we should rush through another amnesty law.

This government is run by criminals and incompetents.

AZCoyote on March 22, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Is anything more secure since that rump has been in charge?

scalleywag on March 22, 2013 at 2:29 PM

It would appear to me that Obowma and many members of his administration have broken their ‘Oath of Office’

… They may not like securing the border and protecting the citizens of the United States, but that is their job and what they get paid for.

If they are admitting that they are not, then I, for one, would favor a vote for impeachment in the House…

Seven Percent Solution on March 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Can’t we as citizens make a citizens arrest of these lawless lawmakers? Just asking… seriously…

Scrumpy on March 22, 2013 at 2:33 PM

powerpickle on March 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Not a bad idea !
I’m so damn mad at Rubio I could spit screws right
back at him .
The stupid party is so stupid that they can’t ask
questions first .
Lies , lies and more lies .
Healthcare , boarder control ………..

Lucano on March 22, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Seriously, If they kept track of things then there would be actual data that they may (or may not) have to answer for. It’s far easier to remain unaccountable when there’s literally no accounting for anything.

forest on March 22, 2013 at 2:15 PM

That’s why so many federal laws expressly forbid people (in health care, schools, welfare agencies, etc.) from asking about an applicant’s legal status or requesting them to submit proof of citizenship or legal residency.

The government does not want the public to know how many illegal aliens are living in the U.S., and they certainly don’t want Americans to know how many hundreds of billions of dollars they’re costing us each year.

This way, the government can keep telling us there are only about 11 million illegals in the U.S. (same number we’ve been hearing for years now), and that they are a net gain for our economy. With no official records, there is no way to dispute the government’s (obviously BS) story.

AZCoyote on March 22, 2013 at 2:34 PM

I was undecided yesterday but now I’m formally prepared to endorse the libertarian position on immigration. “Open borders: At least it’s honest.”

AP, be honest about the libertarian position on immigration. It is open borders *and* elimination of all kinds of welfare. Like they sing in Married with Children, “you can’t have one without the other.”

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:35 PM

AP, be honest about the libertarian position on immigration. It is open borders *and* elimination of all kinds of welfare. Like they sing in Married with Children, “you can’t have one without the other.”

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:35 PM

That’s theoretically true, but they seem happy enough to lobby for open borders WITH welfare too. See: Rand Paul. I think the open borders part is much more important to them than the elimination of welfare.

Doomberg on March 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Learn Spanish. Its not so bad.

El_Terrible on March 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM

You would think if you cut off their funding, they might get the hint and start doing their jobs…

… but we can’t do THAT now, can we?

Seven Percent Solution on March 22, 2013 at 2:39 PM

AZfederalist on March 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM

He implied it for dang sure…

Scrumpy on March 22, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Someone has to explain to CBC – slowly! – that once Latinos significantly surpass blacks in the number of reliable Democrat voters, the blacks’ status as “privileged minority” is as good as gone. That’ll make fine immigration opponents out of that sorry bunch.

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a thousand times -

It’s time to completely federalize a 50mi swath of land along the entire length of the southern border, declare it as one huge Army base and let the military control it.

If it’s one thing the military knows how to do, it is to defend and hold a line in the sand.

This is the only way to effectively shutdown the entire southern border. Any illegals caught instantly become subject to military jurisdiction and will be politely drop 10 yards outside the border and told they will be shot on sight next time….

powerpickle on March 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

How would that benefit Obama, the Democrats, and Big Business?

It doesn’t.

The name of the game is money, votes, and power. Of course, the Democrats only want enough Mexicans to maintain their hold on power.

What the Democrats do not want is a system overload that brings the ability of the party to pay off its constituents come tumbling down.

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Just thought I’d add a little more to it.

Bitter Clinger on March 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Good addition, forgot to include that little slant.

AZfederalist on March 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Now I know what krushev meant when he said the US would fall from within! Since bho was elected, he has nominated and dc confirmed those like him to see to it krushev’s warning is coming true. Everything bho/team has done is beyond what our Republic can withstand to remain? They don’t care as long as the final result is our nation gone!

My heart aches for my once beloved Republic. Those who see’s to it bho/team is getting it done will be held accountable, not by us it seems, but will be held accountable my faith says.
L

letget on March 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

That point has already been surpassed.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Latino and black gangs are already ‘dukin’ it out over ‘turf’…

It will spread…as latino’s spread…

One day blacks will wake up, but it will be too late!!

Scrumpy on March 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Alloutpundit:

I call you and raise by,

“I’ll take the libertarian final solution, no need for the rule of law nor a civil society, NO RULES AT ALL AT LEAST ITS HONEST.”

SARC X 10

We the People will fight.

We the People will win the fight.

The,, “Two Party Evil Crime Cult” in Washington D.C. has failed U.S. all.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Border security needs to become a national security issue.

I also think citizens should be demanding to know when crimes committed by illegal immigrants. I suspect that news organizations are not asking and, if learning, aren’t reporting. I’m tired of the illegal-immigrants-are-people-too stories I get in my paper.

Screw these people.

BuckeyeSam on March 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM

The name of the game is money, votes, and power. Of course, the Democrats only want enough Mexicans to maintain their hold on power.

What the Democrats do not want is a system overload that brings the ability of the party to pay off its constituents come tumbling down.

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM

They already have plenty of the latter, whom they don’t have to pay a dime: the young, the black, the Catholics, the high-school dropouts, the Jews, the Wall-Streeters, Hollywood, the womens, etc.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM

That’s theoretically true, but they seem happy enough to lobby for open borders WITH welfare too. See: Rand Paul. I think the open borders part is much more important to them than the elimination of welfare.

Doomberg on March 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM

My daughter being a Libertarian, I’m well acquainted with their platform. Rand Paul is *not* your run-off-the-mill Libertarian, most likely because he’s got his daddy’s wacko base, the Tea Party, *and* the RNC dinosaurs to please. If you think dancing on a rope is tough, try dancing on *three* ropes. He’ll master the art, or die trying.

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Punchenko, forgot: the Muslims, the Asians, the Indians, from India.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Learn Spanish. Its not so bad.

El_Terrible on March 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Probably good advice, in all seriousness.

Fenris on March 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM

That point has already been surpassed.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM

It wasn’t yet, to my count. While both groups are about as numerous, blacks vote more actively (likely out of loyalty to their tribal kinglet Obama), and favor Democrats 99 to 1.

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Someone has to explain to CBC – slowly! – that once Latinos significantly surpass blacks in the number of reliable Democrat voters, the blacks’ status as “privileged minority” is as good as gone. That’ll make fine immigration opponents out of that sorry bunch.

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Why explain anything? Let the Democrat party balkanize into warring factions. Divide and conquer all the way. :-)

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Why explain anything? Let the Democrat party balkanize into warring factions. Divide and conquer all the way. :-)

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM

By the time they get to open blows, the country will be in shambles. Do you really want The Crips and Los Zetas to fight who gets to rape your wife first?

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Open Borders.

CO2/Hockey Stick Climate Change Tax.

$70 Trillion in long term debt,, as of now growing.

Ear Marks of the Devil on them all.

70% of them with “altimers” so bad they can not even read the words their staff print out for them.

No Rule of law.

Supreme Court Justices who do not know how to read.

Hell “Dog the Bounty Hunter” could and would run the U.S.A. ten times better than these bunch of back stabing money/power grubbing thugs in D.C..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Don’t give up, stay with the fight.

kim roy on March 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM
I know, especially when this is what they want – for us to give up.

I’m just sick of all of the shit. My dad said that this would happen to our country.

So, it’s not that I didn’t see it coming – I’m just sickened by my own country and her People, and that this malignancy of Marxism has come.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 22, 2013 at 2:21 PM

[What a quaint (and desperately needed) concept]

Truman Orders Loyalty Checks of Federal Employees
In response to public fears and Congressional investigations into communism in the USA, President Truman issued an executive order establishing a sweeping loyalty investigation of all federal employees.
As the Cold War began to develop after WW2, fears concerning subversive communist activity, particularly in the federal government, increased. Congress had already launched investigations of communist influence in Hollywood, and laws banning communists from teaching positions were being instituted in several states. However, of primary concern to the Truman Administration were persistent charges that communists were operating in federal offices. In response to these fears and concerns, Truman issued an Executive Order [EO9835] on March 21, 1947, which set up a program to check the loyalty of federal employees. In announcing his order, Truman indicated that he expected all federal workers to demonstrate “complete and unswerving loyalty” the United States. Anything less, he declared, “constitutes a threat to our democratic processes.”
The basic elements of Truman’s order established the framework for a wide-ranging and powerful government apparatus to perform loyalty checks. Loyalty boards were to be set up in every department and agency of the federal government. Using lists of “totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive” organizations provided by the Attorney General [J. Howard McGrath], and relying on investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, these boards were to review every employee. If there existed “reasonable grounds” to doubt an employee’s loyalty, he or she would be dismissed. A Loyalty Review Board was set up under the Civil Service Commission to deal with employees’ appeals.
Truman’s loyalty program resulted in the discovery of only a few employees whose loyalty could be “reasonably” doubted. Nevertheless, for a time his order did quiet some of the criticism that his administration was “soft” on communism. Matters changed dramatically in 1949-1950. The Soviets had developed an atomic bomb, China fell to the communists, and Senator Joseph McCarthy made the famous speech in which he declared that there were over 200 “known communists” in the Department of State. Once again, charges were leveled that the Truman administration was “coddling” communists, and in response, the investigation went into full swing.
[Looking back at this era, it is increasingly evident that Senator McCarthy was correct; that the administration and complicit media of the time were covering up known enemies of our nation. Smokestack]

tomshup on March 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Do you really want The Crips and Los Zetas to fight who gets to rape your wife first?

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

There’s not going to be a fight over anything. The crips are gonna get rolled.

El_Terrible on March 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Do you really want The Crips and Los Zetas to fight who gets to rape your wife first?

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

There’s not going to be a fight over anything. The crips are gonna get rolled.

El_Terrible on March 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Yet another reason for blacks to wake up and fight against the amnesty.

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM

My brother, a BP agent just received his furlough notice. The majority of the BP received the same he said. They are so upset with this administration and have been for some time. The Border Patrol has had their hands tied for a couple years now.

vinceautmorire on March 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

While he’s on furlough, maybe he can make himself some tactical bean bags since I bet you they will be cutting the money for that soon.

Meanwhile, aren’t those new TSA uniforms spiffy?

Lily on March 22, 2013 at 3:03 PM

There will not be any due diligence by the ‘gang of 8′ in regard to securing the border as a part of “comprehensive immigration reform’. Improvements to border security will of course be cited as a part of the reform, but the only true goal is a rush to provide amnesty to illegals once again. But if the so-called GOP ‘wisemen’ want to embrace amnesty, I believe I might now embrace resistance to any government austerity measures or entitlement reform. Law-abiding American citizens, whether they be black, white, or brown are told constantly that we’re broke. Broke, broke, broke. So someone please tell me why it makes one bit of sense to amnesty tens of millions of people who will become eligible for government largesse. (AND, the chain migration of their poor and uneducated relatives that will ensue.) Where is the justice in demanding that our current seniors endure medicare cuts while giving away EITC, education, food and housing assistance, etc. to people who broke the law to enter this country? What purpose will it serve for any American to agree to a raise in the age of eligibility to receive SS retirement benefits or to means-test the program? Why is our military facing reductions, while a protected class of law-breakers (and their families) will be rewarded with taxpayer benefits? When will all these cost saving measures actually reduce future costs? Our unfunded liabilities now are nowhere near the idea of being realistically manageable. Hard-working American citizens that have never taken one single solitary dime of help from the taxpayers, are supposed to be morally concerned and agree to reductions and delays in their own benefits… but it doesn’t seem any longer to be for the sake of future generations and America’s native born sons and daughters. It will be to fund the tidal wave of new beneficiaries of social programs.
I’m beginning to think that those of us who have been more than willing to make sacrifices to help resolve the financial issues of our country, and were willing to embrace some responsible measures of austerity have been nothing more than a bunch of chumps…as it has become more and more evident that the GOP ‘leaders” are as unserious as the Democrats about fixing anything. What exactly are we making sacrifices for? I’m just not sure anymore.

lynncgb on March 22, 2013 at 3:03 PM

There is yet another alternative answer to this boarder security and illegal aliens problem.

Manifest destiny:

Annex all of Mexico as the 51st state and have no boarders. Tax the new State of Mexico for it’s fair share (they have more then abundant natural resources) and our aging population can all move to the land of easy living in Mexico where they can live very well on their SS Checks. We can then eliminate Home Land Security, ICE and who knows what else.

Alternative Solution:

Give California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas back to Mexico. Bow deeply and apologize to Mexico for taking the land in the first place. Now the Problem will be theirs and we balance the budget.

Don’t mean this as a joke, the Congressional answer is the joke. There must be a reasonable answer to this.

jpcpt03 on March 22, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Your usurpers in action, the preezie and the congress. They hate you but love the muzzies.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2013 at 3:08 PM

By the time they get to open blows, the country will be in shambles. Do you really want The Crips and Los Zetas to fight who gets to rape your wife first?

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Uh, the country already is in shambles. And I don’t have to worry about Crips, Bloods, Zetas, or candlestick makers where I’m located, Arch.

And if I do, my ancestors, colonial pioneers, survived the marauding Indians, er, Native Americans, when they settled here as colonial subjects. My ancestors fought, tilled the soil, brought forth towns, community, and civilization — in essence, America and what would become the American Republic.

Why, they even got to vote for George Washington to represent them in the House of Burgesses.

And guess what else: They won. I too intend to win, Arch, because I’m better. And when more folks start saying “I’m better” and assert themselves as the real elite of this country, then and only then will we begin to turn things around.

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM

We have political parties more interested in remaining vested in power than the sovereignty of our country.

As long as politicians are allowed to remain in positions where they can rape and pillage the country and its citizens that is exactly what they will continue to do.

We seem to have few problems defending other countries, but when it comes to our own borders and American citizens our government capitulates.

As long as this continues the country heads toward disaster. Entitlements escalate, debt increases, the productive members of our society give up, and the venal politicians preside over what? A country broken and in chaos?

No, they do not care. As long as they have what they want nothing else matters.

Republicans can claim to be different, but frankly I see little difference between their attitude and the so-called potus….. gimmee, gimmee, gimmee, gimmee…..

DC………. grifters – all of them.

Cody1991 on March 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM

I’m torn about what to do in light of this criminal malfeasance. Do we round up and deport every last one of the illegals or do we merely declare that the United States effectively has no borders and move on?

Mason on March 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM

And guess what else: They won. I too intend to win, Arch, because I’m better. And when more folks start saying “I’m better” and assert themselves as the real elite of this country, then and only then will we begin to turn things around.

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM

You’ll have no argument from me on that particular sentiment. It has just been so much easier to fight against the redskins and the redcoats than the bottomless sea of TV-watching zombies.

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 3:21 PM

“Maybe the plan is to shoot all the illegals…? I mean, 1.6 billion rounds, that’s what, two rounds per illegal? But she ain’t sayin’.” Buck Ofama (R-Pennsyltucky)

Akzed on March 22, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Follow the link for a quick and dirty history of laws passed by Congress over the past 15 years aimed at strengthening the feds’ ability to track immigrants who illegally overstayed their work visas.

Yeah, well…. Newt made a good point when he said that UPS can track a package worldwide, but our “government” (with all its resources) can’t track illegals. OK, if illegals are more difficult to follow, surely the government can find those who overstayed their visas. Nope.

And yet…… the IRS can find you and fine you if you owe $2.

Cody1991 on March 22, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Learn Spanish. Its not so bad.

El_Terrible on March 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Probably good advice, in all seriousness.

Fenris on March 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I’m wondering when we are going to reach the tripping point where it is demanded that we all learn Spanish and stop speaking English.

/not kidding. Remember, when the gay activism started, they just wanted to be “accepted” and had “no intention of pushing for gay marriage”. Like false doctrine, these liberal ideas start out first by “just wanting to be heard”, next “they want their place at the table”, and finally, they want to exclude and eliminate the previously accepted orthodoxy.

AZfederalist on March 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Only about half of the DREAM Act eligible individuals have come forward and applied under Obama’s executive order. Authorities are puzzled as to why, noting that application in January and February had fallen off sharply. They wondered if the $500 fee to file for the legalization was too high or perhaps some of the individuals who were thought to qualify for the programs ( estimates are some 937,000 would have qualified) simply cannot provide proof that they meet the June 15 date requirement.

Here’s an alternative idea. Those who haven’t filed have no intention of filing. Here’s why:

Of all LEGAL immigrants, only about half ever apply for citizenship. Some people want to come to this nation to work and reap the benefits of our nation, but have no intention of ever becoming PART of our nation. Illegal immigrants likely feel the same way.

My point in posting this:

Let’s say, as a given, that “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” passes and is fully implemented. What then?

What are the congress and DHS prepared to do about the HALF Of all illegal aliens who were qualified for the amnesty, but who choose not to apply for it, yet refuse to leave the nation?

What are they prepared to do about those illegal aliens who will apply but be found to be unqualified by virtue of having committed ‘some other crime’, but who, likewise, refuse to leave?

What are they prepared to do about those who will undoubtedly continue to, either come to our nation illegally to live and work, or, who enter legally and then simply refuse to leave when their visa expires?

If we cannot enforce our borders and see that those who overstay their visa’s leave the nation now…what are we going to do when the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” has already been implemented?

IF we have a DHS and ICE system that is arrogant enough to refuse to answer Congresses questions, and foolish enough to not report on border security in the first place, that have refused to enforce EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAW OUTRIGHT… what hope have we that ANY effective measures will be implemented AFTER PASSAGE of comprehensive immigration reform?

thatsafactjack on March 22, 2013 at 3:29 PM

What difference does it make!
-HC

RedManBlueState on March 22, 2013 at 3:35 PM

what hope have we that ANY effective measures will be implemented AFTER PASSAGE of comprehensive immigration reform?

thatsafactjack on March 22, 2013 at 3:29 PM

None. It’s the way Congress works now. Pelosi said it best, “We have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it.”

WE are supposed to be part of the process. Now we are simply the recipients of unpleasant/costly/deadly “surprises” from the Politburo.

Cody1991 on March 22, 2013 at 3:44 PM

It has just been so much easier to fight against the redskins and the redcoats than the bottomless sea of TV-watching zombies.

Archivarix on March 22, 2013 at 3:21 PM

I agree, but eventually the TV turns to snow, the dismal economic reality sets in, and the real leaders begin to emerge out from their consumerist-induced coma.

Then the real leaders, free from the coma, begin to question — like we all are now after the last election — the power of the clerisy within the Cathedral and whether or not they should continue leading the country. So far the answer is a resounding “no”.

And each day that goes by, their little religion dies hour by hour as more and more heretics sprout up across the fruited plain nailing theses in every internet forum challenging their power. More and more people talk; exchange ideas; and get even more ballsier wanting change.

Soon even shaming becomes laughable; the media loses its control of the narrative; and finally more and more see the emperor really has no clothes. Finally the elites, the present elites, lose self-confidence in themselves, their ability to lead, and are eventually overcome by new leaders.

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 3:47 PM

And if I do, my ancestors, colonial pioneers, survived the marauding Indians, er, Native Americans, when they settled here as colonial subjects. My ancestors fought, tilled the soil, brought forth towns, community, and civilization — in essence, America and what would become the American Republic.

Yeah, but back then it was allowed by our government, if not outright encouraged, to fight and kill marauding Native Americans since they were considered heathen impediments to the expansion and development of America.

Not only is it not encouraged or allowed to fight and kill marauding gang members in our age of enlightenment, you must submit to them or run away if confronted, lest that confrontation end in injury or death to any of the gang members for which our PC bureaucrats may press criminal charges and the family members of said gangsters sue you for all your worth in the “wrongful” injury or death of “such a nice boy”.

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Will someone ask her if this bullet purchase is real and by what expenditure did it occur?

pat on March 22, 2013 at 2:25 PM

J-Nap was asked about that.

She refused to provide an explanation.

The committee accepted that; and then, sucked it up and wept silently into their koolaid.

All is well.

Solaratov on March 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM

I’m wondering when we are going to reach the tripping point where it is demanded that we all learn Spanish and stop speaking English.

Yeah, I can see that coming soon. In some communities in CA many of the locals already speak no English, and if you happen to find yourself in one of these communities, Spanish might be the only means of communication. So, as the number of English speakers diminish while the number of Spanish speakers grow, the demand will be for remaining English speakers to learn and use Spanish.

Heaven forbid those permanently residing here and especially those bestowed with citizenship should be required to know and use at least a working knowledge of conversational English when in public.

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Yeah, but back then it was allowed by our government, if not outright encouraged, to fight and kill marauding Native Americans since they were considered heathen impediments to the expansion and development of America.

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Look up Bacon’s Rebellion.

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Mexico has THEIR border secure. Their SOUTHERN border.
Two years in jail for illegally entering their country, but the criticize OUR securing of OUR border on the floor of the congress by their president, knowing full well he too has family illegally living in our country.
It’s time to get real and understand that we are being played as fools by the leaders on both sides of the border and our border patrol are being used as pawns. It’s time to realize that Mexico’s economy is improving far better than our own. They are dumping their criminals, uneducated, and baby making welfare class on our soil, telling us if we don’t accept them, we are racist, and our leaders are allowing it to happen for one thing: Power.
We cannot have a civil society without law and order and that includes a secure border.

RovesChins on March 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers were taken aback at a hearing on Wednesday in the House of Representatives when Mark Borkowski, a senior Homeland Security official, said he had no progress to report on a broad measure of border conditions the department had been working on since 2010.

Well, being taken aback is a reaction, not action and there is a lot of that going on in Congress right now. Members of Congress can be as incredulous as they want to be for show, but as long as no action is taken to make the executive branch satisfy its obligations Congress will continue to get the brush off in committee hearings. There is no longer any penalty/blowback/embarrassment whatsoever for any bureaucrat coming before a committee unprepared and blowing off the accusations of being such. Congress has willfully allowed the President and his appointees to pi$$ on its oversight duties with no real consequences except the loss of our liberty.

DaveDief on March 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Those of us in Arizona have known this for quite a while… Signs like these are scattered throughout the lower half of the state.

They gave up a long time ago:

Danger Public Warning Travel Not Recommended
Active Drug and Human Smuggling Area
Visitors May Encounter Armed Criminals and Smuggling Vehicles Traveling at High Rates of Speed
Stay Away From Trash, Clothing, Backpacks and Abandoned Vehicles
If You See Suspicious Activity – Do Not Confront!
Move Away and Call 911
BLM Encourages Visitors to Use Public Lands North of Interstate 8

Hill60 on March 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Let’s say, as a given, that “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” passes and is fully implemented. What then?

What are the congress and DHS prepared to do about the HALF Of all illegal aliens who were qualified for the amnesty, but who choose not to apply for it, yet refuse to leave the nation?

thatsafactjack on March 22, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Won’t matter; the goal will have been achieved because I can guarantee you that every one of those illegal aliens qualifying for amnesty, including the 1/2 that don’t apply for it are going to vote. … and every one of them will vote democrat.

That’s the whole point of this exercise.

AZfederalist on March 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Thank you. ; )

Bmore on March 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Look up Bacon’s Rebellion.

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM

drat, forgot the /sarc tag

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Look up Bacon’s Rebellion.

Punchenko on March 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM

drat, forgot the /sarc tag

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

/puts down pan/

What?

RovesChins on March 22, 2013 at 4:19 PM

drat, forgot the /sarc tag

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

/puts down pan/

What?

I probably should have written “forgot my /sarc tag” at the end of my post, to be clearer.

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 4:27 PM

We cannot have a civil society without law and order and that includes a secure border.

I’m wondering the the Left really do want to break down our civil society as we’ve know it, just as fast as possible so they can come in during the inevitable chaos and establish their wonderful statist utopia with them as the high priests of the state, for us all to worship and serve.

I’d bet if, and once, that utopia has been established it will have a much more secure border and strict adherence to their law and order.

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 4:32 PM

drat, forgot the /sarc tag

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

/puts down pan/

What?

I probably should have written “forgot my /sarc tag” at the end of my post, to be clearer.

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 4:27 PM

So, no bacon? That’s illegal.

RovesChins on March 22, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Take the budget allocation for border evaluations away from DHS, give it to the GAO and have them do the evaluation. Nothing like a little inter-departmental competition to keep them on their toes.

Socratease on March 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM

I’m torn about what to do in light of this criminal malfeasance. Do we round up and deport every last one of the illegals or do we merely declare that the United States effectively has no borders and move on?

Mason

Maybe you could do a little research on the subject. Those aren’t the only two options.

xblade on March 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM

If by any objective measure you are failing to secure the border, the only way to avoid being forced to admit that fact is to avoid objective measures.

novaculus on March 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM

powerpickle on March 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

50 miles wide by 1900 miles long, that’s 95,000 square miles. One big honkin’ army base.

Lots of live-fire excercises, I presume?

iurockhead on March 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM

YUP! And here’s how you make money from – let us civies fire off the live ammo and grenades!! Be bigger than Disney World!!

I live on the southern border and I would love to have the Army here!! I would love nothing more than to see on the nightly news how some jacka$$ cartel thugs decided to take on the US Military and then were summarily ground into dirt for being that stupid!!! Yeehaw!! Brings tears of pride to my eyes just thinking about it…

powerpickle on March 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I live on the southern border and I would love to have the Army here!! I would love nothing more than to see on the nightly news how some jacka$$ cartel thugs decided to take on the US Military and then were summarily ground into dirt for being that stupid!!! Yeehaw!! Brings tears of pride to my eyes just thinking about it…

Ah, for the days when it was the responsibility of the US Army to patrol the border and deal with marauders, with somewhat more loose rules of engagement.

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Far out! Using this ‘quit measuring’ rule, I’ve just tossed my bathroom scales out the window. That means that my weight gain this year through today is zero… as far as I know.

Excuse me… there is a pint of ice cream in freezer screaming to be rescued.

WestTexasBirdDog on March 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

So, no bacon? That’s illegal.

You’ll have to take that up with Punchenko, and google Bacon’s Revolution, evidently.

In our household, bacon is never illegal. :)

hawkeye54 on March 22, 2013 at 5:04 PM

What, too busy spying on US citizens and buying up all the ammo? That woman is despicable, what she’s done to our country in the name of “security.” But she’s done it all with the blessing of the president and his party.

scalleywag on March 22, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Re the ammo, my theory is that they will arm the TSA and work them into little Bammie’s wet-dream “domestic police force”. They are already moving out of airports and onto highways and train terminals.

slickwillie2001 on March 22, 2013 at 5:06 PM

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