Rubio: If we can’t come up with a solid guest-worker program, we’ll have 10 million new illegals here in a decade

posted at 6:41 pm on March 21, 2013 by Allahpundit

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SEN. MARCO RUBIO, in an interview for “Behind the Curtain,” on the likelihood of immigration reform going to President Obama’s desk this year – the first time Rubio has said this: “A lot of it is going to hinge on the viability of a guest worker program. There are elements in organized labor that don’t want one. I think, really, that’s going to become the critical issue in this debate … whether we can create a viable guest worker program that protects American workers, but also ensures that in the future [if] we need foreign labor for limited periods of time, we’re able to access that in a legal way. Because if we don’t have a program like that in place, we’re going to have 10 million illegal immigrants here in a decade again.”

He’s not kidding that organized labor doesn’t want one. Rumors are swirling tonight that the unions are trying to kill the bill. But never mind that. Mickey Kaus spots a problem with Rubio’s logic:

Wait. Another 10 million illegal immigrants in a decade? But I thought the border was secure! And Latin Americans don’t want to come and work here anymore anyway! That’s why, we’re told, there’s no risk that amnesty itself will attract another wave of illegal immigration, despite the historic precedent (e.g. what happened after the 1986 amnesty).

Yeah, why do we need to worry about 10 million new illegals when Rubio’s hard at work with the Gang of Eight on improving border security so that nothing like that could ever happen again? Let’s say he gets everything he wants on border control and nothing on a guest-worker program. No need to worry about a new wave of illegals then, right? The border’s tight as a drum. Also, if it’s cruel and indicative of second-class status to deny a path to citizenship to illegals who’ve been here for years, explain to me why it wouldn’t also be cruel to deny that path to a guest-worker who came here and then decided he wanted to stay. One of the hallmarks of the Gang of Eight plan, I thought, is that illegals who are in the U.S. on a certain date will be eligible for probationary legal status but illegals who come after that date won’t be. Why not? If a guest-worker overstays his visa by five or 10 years, who’s going to muster the political will to make him go home when he’s “put down roots,” started a family, etc, like the illegals who are already here? The bigger your guest-worker program is, the more pertinent that question becomes.

Maybe the libertarians are right: Let’s simplify things by opening the borders instead. Offer to hand out voting ballots to anyone around the world who’s willing to pay U.S. taxes. (Imagine what fine libertarian electoral outcomes that would produce.) Then we could drop these nonsense pretensions to controlling the number of illegals who come here. And speaking of libertarians, what does Rand Paul mean below when he says we have “de facto amnesty” now? (Rubio’s been known to say that too, as I recall.) Granted, the feds aren’t doing much to remove the 11 million illegals who are here, but there’s more to “amnesty” in my mind that. A real amnesty means not only are you not punished for breaking U.S. immigration law, you’re made eligible to become a U.S. citizen and help shape the future of the laws you broke at the ballot box. We don’t have that now, but we will soon. Every prominent Republican in Congress that I can think of supports that idea.


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Rubio’s tight rope is getting thinner and thinner.

You can’t have it both ways Marco. And so far You’ve only backed yourself into a corner.

I will enjoy you trying to pander your way out of it.

portlandon on March 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Maybe the libertarians are right: Let’s simplify things by opening the borders instead. Offer to hand out voting ballots to anyone around the world who’s willing to pay U.S. taxes. (Imagine what fine libertarian electoral outcomes that would produce.)

Senator Alex Jones?
Governor Alex Jones?

(If that doesn’t put a chill down your spine nothing will)

portlandon on March 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Rubio: If we can’t come up with a solid guest-worker program, we’ll have 10 million new illegals here in a decade.

How is this possible IF as the Senator says THE FREAKING BORDER IS ALREADY SECURED?

Threats, lies and betrayal……..Rubio is truly a Ruling Classer.

PappyD61 on March 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Rubio: If we can’t come up with a solid guest-worker program, we’ll have 10 million new illegals here in a decade

This was the exact same line used to justify Reagan’s amnesty back in the 1980s. The result? 20 million illegal immigrants today. Brilliant!

Maybe the libertarians are right: Let’s simplify things by opening the borders instead. Offer to hand out voting ballots to anyone around the world who’s willing to pay U.S. taxes.

That’s a terrible idea. First, foreigners would gain incredible influence and would suffer not at all from screwing over U.S. citizens. We would essentially volunteer ourselves into servitude. Imagine a bunch of Chinese factory workers who move to Ohio, pay in payroll taxes to the U.S. and are fully reimbursed by the Chinese government. The Chinese government then mandates that they all cast their ballot for, pardon the pun, the Manchurian candidate, or else have their families back in China executed.

And as we know, there’s no way voter fraud could possibly become even more rampant under such a scenario, right?

Not to mention you’d do a great job at screwing Americans who are out of work and pay no Federal income or payroll tax. Disenfranchise your own, hand control of your government over to foreigners. Brilliant!

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

With de facto amnesty, not only are you not punished for breaking immigration law, but you are generally not punished for breaking all sorts of other laws that we citizens have to follow. All because the police don’t want to have to deal with the immigration issues.

besser tot als rot on March 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Rubio: If we can’t come up with a solid guest-worker program, we’ll have 10 million new illegals here in a decade

This was the exact same line used to justify Reagan’s amnesty back in the 1980s. The result? 20 million illegal immigrants today. Brilliant!

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Guest worker is not the same as amnesty.

besser tot als rot on March 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

I will say it again…..

….if you cannot support American Sovereignty and doing WHATEVER IS NECESSARY to keep your borders secure then does that qualify as a TRAITOROUS action to your country?

Sold your soul to big business and the millions they can provide hey Senator Jeb Junior?

Wait till he tries to run in 2016 when it’s Crown Prince Jeb’s turn at the nomination? We’ll be getting so much dirt on Marco Rubio he won’t know what hit him.

PappyD61 on March 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Why is this so hard?
 
Pass a law that says in six months employers will be fined $5000/day per illegal employed at that point and, if applicable, retroactively to the day the legislation is signed into law, and set up a crimestoppers-type phone line.
 
If the tip is true, the informant gets every penny of each fine that comes from the bust.
 
Next?
 
rogerb on January 28, 2013 at 1:11 PM

rogerb on March 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

We did reform in the 80s and got millions more illegals so why would this time be any different?

In fact, once we get a new guest worker program we will be flooded with illegals at an even more rapid rate than in the past.

Wigglesworth on March 21, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Or you can keep the economy in the Obamaified state it’s in; in which case the flow of immigrants ceases.

Myron Falwell on March 21, 2013 at 6:54 PM

AMNESTY

……………rename it what it really is!!

the “EMPTY MEXICO ACT“.

PappyD61 on March 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

A real amnesty means not only are you not punished for breaking U.S. immigration law, you’re made eligible to become a U.S. citizen and help shape the future of the laws you broke at the ballot box. We don’t have that now, but we will soon. Every prominent Republican in Congress that I can think of supports that idea.

But supposedly Latinos are just natural-born Republicans, right?

RedRedRice on March 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Senator Alex Jones?
Governor Alex Jones?

(If that doesn’t put a chill down your spine nothing will)

portlandon on March 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Compared to Senator Al Franken and Governor Jerry Brown, I’d just as soon take my chances with Alex Jones in either position.

Myron Falwell on March 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Guest worker is not the same as amnesty.

besser tot als rot on March 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

1.) We have 8% unemployment. Respectfully, we don’t need guest workers.

2.) A lot of the illegal immigrants we have here are people who initially entered the country legally, and then overstayed their welcome. Guest worker programs encourage illegal immigration, and if you let them stay continuously as “guests” then you’re essentially granting permanent resident status, and if you don’t, you need to make sure they leave (which of course we don’t do).

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Just like Germany’s Gastarbeiters, who never left and brought more with them. Great.

Philly on March 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Rubio sounds more like obama every day.

Pork-Chop on March 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

When you make te 20 to 40 million illegals in this country and they are all taking advantage of the welfare state buffet, another ten million are going run across the border to low ball wages, work under the table without workman’s comp, and take advantage of te anchor baby bonanza. So, you’re right, Marco.
Be a damn conservative and WORK for AMERICAN CiTIZENS, you teat.

RovesChins on March 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Or you can keep the economy in the Obamaified state it’s in; in which case the flow of immigrants ceases.

Myron Falwell on March 21, 2013 at 6:54 PM

This is not an either/or equation, libtard.

And we need to shut off the flow of immigrants, minus those in immediate danger of their lives, Obamaconomy aside.

MelonCollie on March 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Bailing out the boat will keep you afloat for only so long. You eventually have to plug the holes.

No immigration reform without an absolutely secure border.

portlandon on March 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM

1.) We have 8% unemployment. Respectfully, we don’t need guest workers.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

We just about don’t need guest workers period. We need to fix ourselves so that our immediate answer to every shortage of some occupation or another isn’t “import peasants from somewhere to make up the difference”. We

MelonCollie on March 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Amnesty = defacto GOP deathwish.

Curtiss on March 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM

If we can’t come up with a solid guest-worker program border enforcement program, we’ll have 10 million new illegals here in a decade

One follows; the other one doesn’t.

What the hell does the guest worker program have to do with how many illegals in the country? Is it supposed to be better that the people who are going to come here anyway against our wishes are officially recognized? Other than to them, I mean?

He’s not kidding that organized labor doesn’t want one. Rumors are swirling tonight that the unions are trying to kill the bill.

Yeah, no. The rank-and-file union voter doesn’t want illegal immigrants legalized, but the business managers that carry the power of “organized labor” are a working branch of the DNC. They’ll take their chances with promoting labor with a permanent Democratic majority.

HitNRun on March 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM

besser tot als rot on March 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Exactly right.

We, the taxpaying citizens of this country, are the ones who are being treated as second-class by our own government, not the illegal aliens. We citizens can’t get away with not filing or paying income taxes for years, but millions of illegal aliens can and do get away with it. We citizens must sign up for Obamacare health insurance policies or we’ll be fined, but there is no obligation for illegal aliens to do the same. And illegal aliens also routinely get away with crimes like identity theft, document fraud, welfare fraud, voter fraud, etc.

The government that we support with our tax dollars is actively using our money to undermine our interests. How much longer are we going to put up with this crap?

AZCoyote on March 21, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Build the fence first.

bill glass on March 21, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Screw Schumer, Rand and Rubio, it’s time for a new party.

FloatingRock on March 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM

RINO RINO RINO RINO

CRUZ/PALIN 2016, 2020, 2024 UNTIL THEY WIN!

rEVOLUTION!

Flapjackmaka on March 21, 2013 at 7:07 PM

1.) We have 8% unemployment. Respectfully, we don’t need guest workers.

2.) A lot of the illegal immigrants we have here are people who initially entered the country legally, and then overstayed their welcome. Guest worker programs encourage illegal immigration, and if you let them stay continuously as “guests” then you’re essentially granting permanent resident status, and if you don’t, you need to make sure they leave (which of course we don’t do).

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

And I’m not saying that we do need guest workers. Just that a guest worker program and amnesty are not the same thing.

And I’m also saying that I’m sick of illegal aliens getting preferential treatment in the eyes of the law (driving w/o license, DUI, tax fraud, identity theft, etc.), because that’s what they get now. In my opinion, registering and legalizing them (with no new citizenship options) makes them more accountable to the law than they are now, not less. And won’t really change anything vis-a-vis employment because they are already employed if they are going to be employed (but should improve tax receipts). Also, I think legalizing them will help with domestic unemployment because it will force employers to meet prevailing/minimum wage requirements.

besser tot als rot on March 21, 2013 at 7:07 PM

So now our so-called “conservative” leaders are holding us hostage.Support our amnesty program or we will make sure the borders are never secure and you will deal with another 10 million invaders.Rubio is a panderingmself-serving piece of crap!

redware on March 21, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Screw Schumer, Rand and Rubio, it’s time for a new party.

FloatingRock on March 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM

ROTFLOL. Yeah right, you’re powerless. Rand is running under GOP because rightwingers wouldn’t even vote a 3rd party in 2012, they just stayed home.

MelonCollie on March 21, 2013 at 7:08 PM

“…and help shape the future of the laws you broke at the ballot box. We don’t have that now, but we will soon.”

You obviously have never heard of California…

Seven Percent Solution on March 21, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Screw Schumer, Rand and Rubio, it’s time for a new party.

FloatingRock on March 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM

You’re a joke poster right?

Flapjackmaka on March 21, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I’ll go along with anything to keep those damn Canadians out.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 21, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Damn, Allahpundit has been killing it lately on reporting the doublespeak of the GOP amnesty kabuki. Nice work AP!

Too bad he and Michelle Malkin are the only ones left on the side of the base, and nearly every other pundit who mobilized to stop amnesty in 2007, has drunk the Rubio Kool-aid this time around.

sauldalinsky on March 21, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Not if you morons would do your job and deport every illegal alien lawbreaker. You can’t just enforce whatever laws you people deem necessary. You have to enforce them all for the good of the country, but you’re too worried about the votes you need in the future. That is why the government is so f-ed up. You owe American citizens to take your oath serious. You know that illegals are a huge drain on taxpayers. Do your GD job already.

F_This on March 21, 2013 at 7:14 PM

And I’m also saying that I’m sick of illegal aliens getting preferential treatment in the eyes of the law (driving w/o license, DUI, tax fraud, identity theft, etc.), because that’s what they get now. In my opinion, registering and legalizing them (with no new citizenship options) makes them more accountable to the law than they are now, not less. And won’t really change anything vis-a-vis employment because they are already employed if they are going to be employed (but should improve tax receipts). Also, I think legalizing them will help with domestic unemployment because it will force employers to meet prevailing/minimum wage requirements.

besser tot als rot on March 21, 2013 at 7:07 PM

1.) Legalization is a bad incentive because it signals that if enough people break the law for enough time, we stop enforcement and instead curtsy to law breakers. Bad idea for a society that wishes to be governed by the rule of law.

2.) What is the incentive for an illegal to register and be legalized if it means paying taxes into the system? What is the punishment for refusing to go through a legal process?

3.) If we deport them rather than legalize them, it does affect the employment situation because we then have an excess demand for labor, in which case our 8% unemployment rate contracts and wages go up which will result in modest inflation in the prices of output produced by the industries they inhabit.

4.) What’s to stop employers from getting a fresh, new set of illegal immigrants to keep paying below minimum wage? If the answer is border enforcement, why should we believe they mean to enforce the law in the future when they don’t enforce it now?

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Rubio’s a despicable, lowlife worm. He needs to just GTFA, already. What a friggin treasonous pain in the azz he is. The idiot actually believes the BS the MSM is saying about him. LOL. A little more of this and the GOP will be good and dead, dead, dead – just as the GOP has been itching to kill itself for the last 7 or so years. I hope it’s quick and permanent. I’m not voting GOP anymore and I’d like to see some actual conservative candidates who will have a chance … because I’m going to be voting for them, anyway.

Anyone and any thing associated with Rubio, McShame, Paul, and the rest of the retards will not get my vote. They are all scum. THey’ll have to get one of their illegals to take my place on their rolls – which is their plan, anyway, I know. Good for them.

Adios, GOP-amigos!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 21, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Rubio sounds more like obama every day.

Pork-Chop on March 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I can’t recall Rubio NOT sounding like Hussein. One just needs to pay more attention, that’s all.

riddick on March 21, 2013 at 7:18 PM

And enough with this BS guest-worker stuff. That’s another ruse that these illegal-mongering representatives of everyone-but-Americans like to bring up to confuse people.

There will be a reckoning …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 21, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Rubio
Rand
Paul
Walker
Bush
Christie
Ryan
Perry
Jindal
Cruz
Pence

Who’s next?

can_con on March 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Perry
Jindal
Cruz
Pence

can_con on March 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Good enough for me, although I’d try to fit Allen West and Jim DeMint in there as well. None of these would espouse liberal views, IMO.

Mix and match and we’re ready to go.

riddick on March 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Build the fence first.

bill glass on March 21, 2013 at 7:05 PM

That would be nice, but, it would interfere with Rubio’s and the GOP’s “NEW and IMPROVED” agenda. Keep in mind, Rubio and the GOP are 100% convinced that if we grant amnesty to illegals, everyone of them will become a Republican voter and a productive citizen and all of those pesky border-security issues will just fix themselves – as if by magic. It’s a cute fantasy.

Pork-Chop on March 21, 2013 at 7:35 PM

and all of those pesky border-security issues will just fix themselves – as if by magic. It’s a cute fantasy.

Pork-Chop on March 21, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Actually, that part is vacuously true. When Rubio and the scum in the GOP aid and abet the illegal invasion and legalize them all there won’t be any border issues left, since there won’t be any border. There won’t be any illegals in the country since they will all be legalized, along with anyone else who wants to stroll in and take his piece of what used to be America. And then the feral government can drop all funding of border security or interior enforcement since there will be nothing to enforce, as all the illegals are “gone”, now being red-blooded Americans ready to run for the White House. That funding will be diverted to social services for the new red-blooded Americans and their families who pour in from … G-d knows where.

It’s getting to the point where having American citizenship is like having that alien from the movie stuck to your face. There’s no advantage to being American in America. Nations in that mode are not long for this world.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 21, 2013 at 7:44 PM

1.) Legalization is a bad incentive because it signals that if enough people break the law for enough time, we stop enforcement and instead curtsy to law breakers. Bad idea for a society that wishes to be governed by the rule of law.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2013 at 7:15 PM

I keep trying to pound this into the heads of libertarians!

MelonCollie on March 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM

if they can’t work they won’t come! if they can’t get medical, welfare, everything else, they will go home.

rgranger on March 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

A real amnesty means not only are you not punished for breaking U.S. immigration law, you’re made eligible to become a U.S. citizen and help shape the future of the laws you broke at the ballot box. We don’t have that now, but we will soon. Every prominent Republican in Congress that I can think of supports that idea.

Without Voter ID and enforcement, what can’t an illegal alien do in terms of shaping “the future of the laws”?

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Perry
Jindal
Cruz
Pence

Who’s next?

can_con on March 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Some people on here were refusing to vote for Perry last year because of a perceived weakness on immigration, so you might as well cross his name off the list.

midgeorgian on March 21, 2013 at 7:59 PM

if they can’t work they won’t come! if they can’t get medical, welfare, everything else, they will go home.

rgranger on March 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

They may make us all wear badges like employees in security jobs.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM

The ACLU would get upset if we captured them for organ harvesting. That would save on healthcare and all…

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 8:01 PM

How is this possible IF as the Senator says THE FREAKING BORDER IS ALREADY SECURED?

Threats, lies and betrayal……..Rubio is truly a Ruling Classer.

PappyD61 on March 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

You missed my comments that they are going to come anyway.

We have a huge shoreline and we aren’t gonna really build a good wall.

Ha Ha You believed them!

Wanna buy a bridge?

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM

I just don’t get the idea that anyone in DC has actually thought comprehensive amnesty through.

People come here under the table because they want to send what they earn home, they then want to go back home and live like a patron.

Legalizing aliens who don’t pay taxes, won’t get them to start paying (more than 50% of LA county work under the table).

Has anybody done a real detailed survey? You might be shocked at the number who could care less about being a citizen except for benefits or care about this country at all except what they feel we owe them.

Before support for amnesty can become popular the deficits remaining from decades of non enforcement and corruption have to be paid up.

Speakup on March 21, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Illegal immigration is becoming a non-issue. The Mexican economy is on the rise while ours is stagnant. As opportunity continues to improve to our South fewer people will see the need to move North.

MJBrutus on March 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Rubio
Rand
Paul
Walker
Bush
Christie
Ryan

Perry
Jindal
Cruz
Pence

Who’s next?

can_con on March 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Jindal is probably the best bet for now, but I haven’t heard Ben Carson’s stance on illegal immigration.

Daemonocracy on March 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

eyes wide open.

sellouts in full view.

PappyD61 on March 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Fifty years ago, the United States had a “guest worker program”. My uncle, who was a farmer in Texas, hired braceros every year to work his fields, and every year they went home to Mexico to their wives and children with enough cash in their pockets to live comfortably until the next season. Lyndon Johnson (a Democrat, therefore a toady to the rising power of the unions) had a lot to do with ending that program.

What Rubio doesn’t take into account, however, is this isn’t fifty years ago, and the illegals who cross the border today aren’t looking for seasonal work. They’re looking to get permanent jobs and stay.

RebeccaH on March 21, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Maybe the libertarians are right: Let’s simplify things by opening the borders instead. Offer to hand out voting ballots to anyone around the world who’s willing to pay U.S. taxes.

That’s a good idea…..if your goal is to turn American into Somalia.

xblade on March 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

The Liberals want the illegals for Votes.

The Republicans want the illegals for low cost labor.

The Whites want their Country back, their cities to be safe, their votes to count and the border to be tight.

Who speaks for them?

Bulletchaser on March 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Who speaks for them?

Bulletchaser on March 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Crickets.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Jindal is probably the best bet for now, but I haven’t heard Ben Carson’s stance on illegal immigration.

Daemonocracy

He was on Laura Ingraham this morning, and he said we should have guest worker program for seasonal workers(like Canada), and enforce the laws that are already on the books.

xblade on March 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Illegal immigration is becoming a non-issue. The Mexican economy is on the rise while ours is stagnant. As opportunity continues to improve to our South fewer people will see the need to move North.

MJBrutus on March 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

You must be on the Council of Economic Advisors with that excellent insight.

BTW, I regret the Fascistic comments I have made on this issue.

It is just difficult for me to comprehend a nation that will toss me in jail for too many bullets in a magazine or carrying a gun in the murder capitol of the western world but allow strangers fro other countries to tramp right in and break laws designed to provide for the orderly maintenance of social order and the survival of the most successful cultural and legal structures and elements ever wrought by man.

I don’t want anyone killed. I am a wimp like the other Republicans who can’t imagine how screwed up things will get if present trends continue for decades.

They haven’t been far enough south.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Rubio
Rand
Paul
Walker
Bush
Christie
Ryan
Perry
Jindal
Cruz
Pence

Who’s next?

can_con on March 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Sen. Jeff Sessions would be another Reagan IMO. And by the way, Rubio hired some sleezy Democratic immigration attorney to help write his secret bill.

TxAnn56 on March 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Secure the border. Enforce existing federal immigration law. Admit skilled, qualified LEGAL immigrants. Admit only those low skilled ‘seasonal’ workers as needed, on a biometric ID and visa, track and enforce departure upon expiration, E-Verify mandatory for every employer.

We had control of our immigration system before the first amnesty. We can have control of it again.

thatsafactjack on March 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Under their plan, Democratic votes would necessarily skyrocket.
We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it for illegals. If you like your job you can keep your job.

All kind of sounds familiar.

KMav on March 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Huh? We’ll simply have 20 million illegals. This is progressive math at its best.

pat on March 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Rubio is just another RINO spouting BS.
We’re talking about the FBIs 10 million most wanted.
Show me your papers.
If we can’t control our borders and who gets in and when they leave, we don’t deserve to be called a country.
A work permit with an expiration date…how hard is that.
Date comes up, your employer is visited….da….da….da….you’re outta here.
No taxpayer benefits for “guest workers”.
This ain’t hard people, we sent little bitty cars to Mars and communicate with them constantly.
III

dirtengineer on March 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Offer to hand out voting ballots to anyone around the world who’s willing to pay U.S. taxes. (Imagine what fine libertarian electoral outcomes that would produce.)

But when you talk about destructio-yunnnn
Don’t ya know that you can count me out.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

So Rubio has now sunk so low that he is making threats and big and dire ones at that. I don’t think even Obama with his “Sequestration” has made threats that big. I have no use whatsoever for a version of Obama on crack.

VorDaj on March 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

The only solution that deals with the 10 million more and visa overstays is “attrition through enforcement“.

voiceofreason on March 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

ROTFLOL. Yeah right, you’re powerless. Rand is running under GOP because rightwingers wouldn’t even vote a 3rd party in 2012, they just stayed home.

MelonCollie on March 21, 2013 at 7:08 PM

There wasn’t one, and there’s no sign right now of one forming. Wait til President Hillary though. I think this country is headed for disintegration.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM

The Ritual Suicide of RINOS.

I just watched the comedy movie Game Change.

You guys thought it was a hatchet job about the head and neck of Sarah Palin? It was, well, it kinda was.

Actually, it was a comedy to me. It showed the true high humor of recent elections. Lemmie tell you The Mouse That Roared had nothing in humor on that movie!

I finally figured out that the R party’s candidates are really performance artists!

Like a mime! You now, everyone hates them but keeps watching…and they keep doing it with all these weird imaginary walls, ropes, even wind! And they come out unprepared like clowns! Overseas bank accounts! Hilarious!

Then they toss punches against some guy they are trying to defeat since he is bad for the country but they don’t really hit him! And they allow the other side to make them up! Look like an old clown, a greedy villain…

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I just watched the comedy movie Game Change.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Yeah, I can imagine you loved it.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

We had control of our immigration system before the first amnesty. We can have control of it again.

thatsafactjack on March 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

I don’t know. I thought that you lose control of criminals when you don’t punish them.

We used to have nasty law enforcement ie. sheriffs.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

And speaking of libertarians, what does Rand Paul mean below when he says we have “de facto amnesty” now? (Rubio’s been known to say that too, as I recall.)

It means, they live here, have access to our schools, hospitals State/Federal programs along with our amenities, without having to fully pay into the system.

How many Americans, if given the choice, would rather have that option over say, being a full citizen who gets hosed in city/state/federal taxes, alongside sales?

I mean, I can vote and all, but a lot of shite good that’s done lately. I’d rather have the tax exemption for the next four years.

budfox on March 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Again I will ask just for the H of it: who decided that “immigration reform” just absolutely has to be done this Spring? Why not 2012? Why wasn’t it an election issue? Why not 2011? Why not when democratics had a supermajority and could have done anything they wanted?

Why now, and who decides?

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I mean, I can vote and all, but a lot of shite good that’s done lately. I’d rather have the tax exemption for the next four years.

budfox on March 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

LOL…

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I mean, I can vote and all, but a lot of shite good that’s done lately. I’d rather have the tax exemption for the next four years.

budfox on March 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Well, you can be like Jim Carrey in that remake of Fun with Dick and Jane. LOL I usually can’t stand Carrey but that one was pretty funny.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Yeah, I can imagine you loved it.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

I never saw the whole thing. I have dealt with people like Steve Schmidt and how they react to people with whom they have personality conflicts.

If it runs true to those I saw, she (Governor Palin) upset Steve on various levels.

A stupid person would watch and blame Sarah for the election loss. The movie doesn’t conclusively prove that.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM

A stupid person would watch and blame Sarah for the election loss. The movie doesn’t conclusively prove that.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Heh..I’m sure Sarah thanks you for that.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

The guy I knew like Steve Schmidt would become a total sadist with people he saw a dumb and/or difficult. He was actually the mental case and problem.

One unintentionally humorous part of the movie was when McCain had a party and a doctor come to observe governor Palin.

When Steve Schmidt asked the doc ho she looked, the doctor listed the stresses in Governor Palin’s life then said, “for all that she looks fine. You, on the other hand, look like sh*t.”

I howled with laughter. I bet no liberal or dumb conservative like you got the humor of that or the indictment of Steve Schmidt.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:25 PM

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Sarah and you should be very happy together in never run again land.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Sarah and you should be very happy together in never run again land.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Life goes on, brah. Maybe Mitt will be back for 2016.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

thatsafactjack on March 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Sounds like a good plan..Now we need a CIC and Senate to do that..:

Dire Straits on March 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Then they really pasted Governor Palin leading up to the debate but ignored Vice president Joe Biden except for some voice over that ‘nobody doubted his ability to do the job.”

OMG. Did Schmidt even look at Joe Biden?

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Then they really pasted Governor Palin leading up to the debate but ignored Vice president Joe Biden except for some voice over that ‘nobody doubted his ability to do the job.”

OMG. Did Schmidt even look at Joe Biden?

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Dunno, but I would imagine that the folks at DKos or HuffPo might groove a little more to your review and mindset.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I prefer illegals to voters

Theworldisnotenough on March 21, 2013 at 9:37 PM

The movie completely ignored the problem of bad vetting or what could have been done differently. They should have given tests if the idea was to make him feel that she understood the current events section of the NYT.

Then Schmidt’s total lack of understanding of executive decision making as he mentioned that “Obama was a law professor” while Sarah couldn’t name a case or some such rot.

I wish he had called me and asked about law professors and sticking them in management jobs.

You see they think numbers are in Greek and they can’t read Greek, I would start…

Finally, I wonder if the hate wasn’t bad enough that they set Sarah up with Couric…

Even if Sarah was no bargain, either, McCain had an obligation to try to win. And I believe that Steve Schmidt needs a few hours with me. And a therapist I can pick.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Dunno, but I would imagine that the folks at DKos or HuffPo might groove a little more to your review and mindset.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Are you saying that they are probably a little brighter than you?

Yes. Most people are.

But i am no lib or dumb rightie.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Today we must all be aware that political expediency and latino ethnicity takes precedence over rule of law and constitutional procedure. However you say – WHAT THE – what does this mean… in relation to the tabulation whereby we must once again realize that the great reconquesta story is now being rehearsed before our very eyes, in the rise of Marco Rubio… indicating that only a two-faced, I mean a bi-faced, I mean a bi-lingual hombre can receive…the award for reconquesta, unlike Kenyan Hussein Obama whose reconquesta plans don’t drink water.

Amigos – comrades – friends, we are gathered here as an edifice of the great glory that is now vanishing and the intuitive feeling, based on the assumption as Mencken once said, “He who underestimates the American voter will never go broke.” This is merely a small indication to behold and to perceive that which has gone way into the behind and to that which might go forward out of the future…we’ve got to rip up the constitution so we can rip down those outdated borders!

Alright, moving right along here in my brief remarks. And the bi-lingual, I mean the bi-partisan panel, has determined to give the prize to Marco Rubio for his EARNESTY’S RAINBOW. Now EARNESTY’S RAINBOW is a token of this man’s genius…he told me so himself and repeatedly …that he could change perceptions by calling his plan for knocking down those pesky borders EARNESTY …in other words, he could have been more specific, but rather than to allude to an articulation of the mundane, he has come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our nation’s shallow first world existence. God damn!

Marco Rubio’s . EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 450 of them … million live in the United States and Mexico which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable and dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…

But I do want to thank la Raza…I mean the RNC … I mean the DNC and it’s subsidiary the RNC, the organization for the $1,000 in affirmative action latino scholarships they’ve given out…tonight they took in over $4,000,000, but they do have expenses for their consultants you know, and I think that I have another appointment. I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, I want to thank Mr. Allah Pundit. I want to thank Mr. Morrisey, who just ran through the auditorium and out a fire exit, and I want to thank Marco Rubio – acting el Presidenta of la Raza Mexiamerica and also Mr. Obama – acting Pharaoh and Drone Commander of the World – and also I want to thank Professor Irwin Corey and thank you.

RasThavas on March 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Are you saying that they are probably a little brighter than you?

Yes. Most people are.

But i am no lib or dumb rightie.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM

You’re so smarty you don’t have to resort to ad hominem. Or gratuitous, obsessive Palin-bashing. Good on ya, mate!

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Dunno, but I would imagine that the folks at DKos or HuffPo might groove a little more to your review and mindset.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:35 PM

If you went over there you would validate all they think of conservatives.

Go and spread joy!

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM

If you went over there you would validate all they think of conservatives.

Go and spread joy!

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM

They seem to think of Palin just like you do, so that’s where you should be, actually. If you aren’t already.

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Again I will ask just for the H of it: who decided that “immigration reform” just absolutely has to be done this Spring?

The same consultants who lost the 2008 and the 2012 elections.

xblade on March 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Again I will ask just for the H of it: who decided that “immigration reform” just absolutely has to be done this Spring?

The same consultants who lost the 2008 and the 2012 elections.

xblade on March 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Are these the same ones who were handling Mr Electable, about whom we were browbeaten into believing that the universe would implode if we didn’t just suck it up one more time and vote for the lesser of two evils?

ddrintn on March 21, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Folks, go ahead an write these bums off. 2014 is a lost cause for the GOP. Prediction, 90 seat bloodbath in the House, less than 40 Republicans in the Senate. I don’t eally care anymore!

jjnco73 on March 21, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Be weary of these politicians and ministers who promote amnesty or some sort of path to citizenship as the only way forward. Enforcing our laws is a viable way forward as well. If enforcement was the chosen option we as a country will be making the single largest investment to Latin America in that we are returning to them educated young people and a class of people that know what it is to work and pursue the American dream. These politicians and ministers are excited by the prospects of amnesty; in their minds it represents our rising. They will overturn the society in one generation. I am not against our society changing and adapting, if not we wouldn’t have Italian, Chinese, or Mexican food. We would be without those blessed Hungarian Kiffles and all the other foods, arts, and inventions brought to us by past immigrants. But, I am not for overturning the society with people with little connection to our heritage and of a political tradition full of tyrants, socialists, communists, or of the cult of personality. We must resist this plan and demand a secure border and enforcement of the law. If consideration is to be given, let us consider the elderly, people who have been here most of their lives who would be returned to a land they no longer know nor knows them along with a few case by case situations. The rest, if they are to receive anything should be a work visa with an expiration date several years out to allow them to organize themselves but then they must leave and apply again for entry. They should never be given citizenship as a reward for violating our laws.

sjramos on March 21, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Jindal is probably the best bet for now, but I haven’t heard Ben Carson’s stance on illegal immigration.

Daemonocracy

He was on Laura Ingraham this morning, and he said we should have guest worker program for seasonal workers(like Canada), and enforce the laws that are already on the books.

xblade on March 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

In his book, America The Beautiful, he also says that amnesty is wrong because the majority of the American people are opposed to it. Dr. Carson believes that elected officials should represent the views of their constituents. What a novel idea.

fight like a girl on March 21, 2013 at 10:43 PM

I really think that a lot of these republican senators, who are coming out for amnesty, are doing so because they know it will never pass in the House.

fight like a girl on March 21, 2013 at 10:45 PM

jjnco73 on March 21, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Hang in there..It isn’t that bd yet!..:)

Dire Straits on March 21, 2013 at 10:58 PM

jjnco73 on March 21, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Hang in there..It isn’t that bad yet!..:)

Dire Straits on March 21, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on March 21, 2013 at 10:59 PM

And a therapist I can pick.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I hope you simply missed a word, PHYSICAL (therapist). Best case scenario…

riddick on March 22, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Dr. Carson believes that elected officials should represent the views of their constituents. What a novel idea.

fight like a girl on March 21, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Too bad he believes that Constitution varies depending on locale you live in. Let’s stop talking Carson, and the sooner the better.

riddick on March 22, 2013 at 12:18 AM

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