MSNBC to HHS secretary: So, three years later, what do Americans still not understand about ObamaCare?

posted at 12:11 pm on March 21, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

We had to pass it to find out what in it’s, but now that we’re finding out about all of the expensive, inefficient, market-distorting facets of the health care overhaul, the Obama administration’s main failing is still — still — that they just haven’t explained it well enough to us simpletons. We’re just not getting it, you see.

Blergh. All of the items that Sebelius ticks off in the beginning of the segment — checkups without co-pays, the illegality of declining higher-risk patients, etcetera — these things are not free. The costs are merely being redistributed to all Americans at large, but when she’s pressed about the rising prices of premiums in California — the first guinea-pig state to get to work on implementing ObamaCare — she just kind of casually brushes it off like these companies can somehow magically find a way to prevent their operating costs from increasing, and touts how the Obama administration has munificently limited the salaries of these insurance companies’ bigwig CEOs, as if their oh-so-ill-begotten fat checks are one of the main drivers of rising health care costs. (But don’t you dare accuse them of class-warmongering!)

But hey, here’s the good news: The First Lady’s anti-obesity campaign and the government’s anti-smoking campaign are going to be real, significant preventative and hence cost-saving measures! The system is saved!


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All we really need to know is “I Won” and comply without murmur nor complaint.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…

Scrumpy on March 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

GhoulAid on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Let it burn

MoreLiberty on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

I’m not entirely clear on when I can safely cancel my insurance in anticipation of buying my riddled-with-preexisting-conditions self back in after I feel sick.

rogerb on March 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM

It would take them a month of Sundays to explain all the in’s and out’s of this horrendous bill…

Isn’t any wonder Pelousy said: You’ll find out what’s in it after we pass it? Somthing along those lines…

Blehhhhhhhhhhh…

We are slowly finding out, and we still don’t like it, got that!

Scrumpy on March 21, 2013 at 12:18 PM

As I understand it, ObamaCare has already saved at least one life. So, now that it was totally worth it, we can go ahead and cancel it with the knowledge that it was a success.

BobMbx on March 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Secretious is a dishonest evil woman.

These people are so corrupt, and have zero accountability.

FlaMurph on March 21, 2013 at 12:20 PM

I’m not entirely clear on when I can safely cancel my insurance in anticipation of buying my riddled-with-preexisting-conditions self back in after I feel sick.

rogerb on March 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM

2014 is supposed to be the full rollout of this monstrosity. I assume that means Jan. 1 so just hang in there another 9 months or so.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Ugh, Sebelius has that look, you know, that bland uncaring look which reminds one of a fascist government apparatchik ordering 20,000 more “units” be sent off to the gas chambers for crimes against the State.

Bishop on March 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

Would have little effect, although it might be satisfying for some.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 12:25 PM

20,000 pages of regulations perhaps?

astonerii on March 21, 2013 at 12:27 PM

2014 is supposed to be the full rollout of this monstrosity. I assume that means Jan. 1 so just hang in there another 9 months or so.

Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2013 at 12:20 PM

And the bills start coming due. I think we need to launch a sequester campaign style effort which highlights each and every way this awful legislation is hurting Americans. I want every politician that voted for Obamacare to be primaried out of office.

Happy Nomad on March 21, 2013 at 12:27 PM

touts how the Obama administration has munificently limited the salaries of these insurance companies’ bigwig CEOs

How can this be done and survive constitutional scrutiny on equal protection grounds?

I read yesterday that Obamacare has a limitation of some kind on the amount insurance companies can deduct for the compensation that they pay to executives. WTF? Maybe these are one and same provision, just described differently. Nevertheless, I guess that the insurance companies are too afraid of or too complicit with the Obama administration, or both, to sue.

How can you single out for unfavorable treatment one industry like this on compensation or deduction that generally applies to all businesses?

Thanks, uninformed voters. Enjoy your liberal fascists. Just hope you not doing something in the future that they decide they don’t like.

Rule of law? Uniform application of the law? Pfft.

BuckeyeSam on March 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Oh the simpletons are not getting it, that much is absolutely certain. However, this bunch is clearly confused about who the simpletons are.

The simpletons are the people who keep calling things “free” when they are not “free”.

Lily on March 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM

The First Lady’s anti-obesity campaign and the government’s anti-smoking campaign are going to be real, significant preventative and hence cost-saving measures! The system is saved!

They have far more authoritarian measures in mind now that the State now has such a direct financial interest in our health.

forest on March 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

GhoulAid on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

It’s a pre-existing condition.

Deafdog on March 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM

It’s a boondoggle and they know it.

Good Lt on March 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM

People I know who proudly boasted they voted for Obama both times are starting to become a little unhappy of late. I just sit silent outside the conversation, smiling to myself with the thought, “Wait till Ocare kicks in next year.”

Liam on March 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Ugh, Sebelius has that look, you know, that bland uncaring look which reminds one of a fascist government apparatchik ordering 20,000 more “units” be sent off to the gas chambers for crimes against the State.

Bishop on March 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM

And after dealing with some health insurance officials, hers is not a unique attitude.

TerryW on March 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The essential facts to remember with Obamacare is that ALL medical care will be more expensive and that there will be less of it. The free riders are all cheering (of course) while the payers are bracing for the government tentacles going much deeper into their pockets. While passing Obamacare, the Democrats failed to also repeal basic economics. Ergo, it’s going to cost you more money to get less.

Bernfp on March 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Follow up question:

How dreamy is Obama, really?

In the marketplace of ideas, MSNBC is the kwik-e-mart…..

wytshus on March 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

GhoulAid on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Looks like someone beat you to it.

CurtZHP on March 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

We UNDERSTAND that OBAMACARE MUST BE TOTALLY REPEALED!!!

SUBJECT CLOSED!!!

landlines on March 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM

This woman wears the corruption of her soul on her face.

workingclass artist on March 21, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Not to be mean but so many of the worst progressives are getting up there is age (this hag, Nanzi, Harri, etc.) so isn’t it time the old coots just go away and seek treatment for dementia and/or senility?

txag92 on March 21, 2013 at 12:35 PM

In the marketplace of ideas, MSNBC is the kwik-e-mart…..

wytshus on March 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM

“You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts MSDNC unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking.” – Joe Biden

forest on March 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

GhoulAid on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Why do her the favor of an improvement?

portlandon on March 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I see stupid people.

MTF on March 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Not to be mean but so many of the worst progressives are getting up there is in age (this hag, Nanzi, Harri, etc.) so isn’t it time the old coots just go away and seek treatment for dementia and/or senility?

Spell check first. UGH!

txag92 on March 21, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Been awhile since I’ve watched MSNBC and I see I haven’t missed it. Y’all note how they had a chance to “catch up with Secretary Sebelius” but had graphics ready for her talking points?

Low information inded. That was pretty lame stuff there.

DanMan on March 21, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Most of the progressives I know are getting cranky and more defensive. This is because they know how much of a failure this Administration has been and continues to be.

flstc on March 21, 2013 at 12:38 PM

A composite of Madame Defarge, Rosa Klebb and the stupid cat lady in the corner apartment.

rrpjr on March 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM

“So, we have a lot of reeducation to do,” Sebelius said.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/31/sebelius-whos-up-for-some-reeducation/

“Zo, vee haff a lot of reeducation to do.”

Frau Sebelius is not amused.

Stu Gotts on March 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM

What don’t people understand about Obamacare? It’s a legitimate question, and the answer is that all that “free” stuff they think they’re going to get isn’t free. Low info voters were uninformed enough to believe that they would get free health care, and that, my friends, is going to be a very costly mistake. Ironic, no?

College Prof on March 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

GhoulAid on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Why do her the favor of an improvement?

portlandon on March 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM

She’s gotta cut costs somewhere. It’s a start.

blammm on March 21, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I’m not entirely clear on when I can safely cancel my insurance in anticipation of buying my riddled-with-preexisting-conditions self back in after I feel sick.
 
rogerb on March 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM

 
2014 is supposed to be the full rollout of this monstrosity. I assume that means Jan. 1 so just hang in there another 9 months or so.
 
Bitter Clinger on March 21, 2013 at 12:20 PM

 
Sounds good. I’ll start paying cash for most services, pay the
fine
tax
fee
whatever, and have hundreds more dollars to invest every month. Or maybe just buy another boat.
 
It’s doubtful that anything is going to hit me so quickly that I won’t have a month to get on an insurance plan, and costs from car wrecks or the like will get reimbursed after the lawyers are done, so there’s no need to plan for the future any more.
 
OBAMA 2013!
 
Sorry about no longer having to carry my financial weight per our agreed upon contractual terms, coverages, and costs, insurance companies, but enjoy your LiBs.

rogerb on March 21, 2013 at 12:44 PM

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM

yup

cmsinaz on March 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Sebelius makes Nurse Ratched look compassionate.

cyclown on March 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM

how many waivers were granted again there Kathy?

cmsinaz on March 21, 2013 at 12:46 PM

And the bills start coming due. I think we need to launch a sequester campaign style effort which highlights each and every way this awful legislation is hurting Americans. I want every politician that voted for Obamacare to be primaried out of office.

Happy Nomad on March 21, 2013 at 12:27 PM

This is why many are saying let it happen as the dems constructed it. If the GOP house is going to allow Obamacare to go forward without a fight they need to articulate the reason is to show the people what the democrats lied about. This is not out of line with the Let it Burn mantra.

Its a tough call because if the house fights with all they have then Obama gets to say the pain is being caused by the GOP’s intransigience. Messaging time GOP.

DanMan on March 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

GhoulAid on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Looks like she has already had a few.

maryo on March 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM

You must all know that higher medical costs are PART OF THE PLAN!
everyone line up for single-pay plan

askwhatif on March 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM

How can this be done and survive constitutional scrutiny on equal protection grounds?

I guess that the insurance companies are too afraid of or too complicit with the Obama administration, or both, to sue.

BuckeyeSam on March 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Maybe. I think it’s more likely they already know how to get around this. Like award big bonuses every year to compensate for the salary limit.

The Rogue Tomato on March 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM

A composite of Madame Defarge, Rosa Klebb and the stupid cat lady in the corner apartment.

rrpjr on March 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM

mix in a little Cruella Deville

Deafdog on March 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM

One of the few new opportunities in the REB’s economy is for companies that advise businesses on how to deal with the odious Obamacare. Just another overhead item for private industry to deal with.

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2013 at 1:00 PM

That screencap of Sebelius is where boners go to die.

Chuck Schick on March 21, 2013 at 1:01 PM

The Key to this is;

We are all supposed to HATE rich people see?

If it wasn’t for all the rich people, we would have the perfect Utopia…

Now get with the program will ya’s!

Start hatin’…NOW!

The more you hate the evil RICH the more the govt can take, y’all just ain’t hatin’ enough…sheesh… /s

Scrumpy on March 21, 2013 at 1:02 PM

She went on to say “SHUT UP!”

jukin3 on March 21, 2013 at 1:05 PM

… the Obama administration has munificently limited the salaries of these insurance companies’ bigwig CEOs, as if their oh-so-ill-begotten fat checks are one of the main drivers of rising health care costs.

But here in Cal, we already put in the same cap mechanisims as Obamacare more than 10 years ago! Which is in fact the 15% limit on administrative overhead. Clearly, Cal has already verified that this is NOT the source of unaffordable health care insurance.

Too bad the people at mslsd did not bother to mention this detail to the lier Sebellious. I say LIER as a FACT she admitted in testimony to congress regarding her fraudulent accounting claims!

Freddy on March 21, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

GhoulAid on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

The REB’s administration could easily make back the amount of the sequestration by setting up $1000 dunk tanks starring his more ghastly cabinet characters.

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Think of the added confusion when we add illegal, oops! “undocumented” people!

fbcmusicman on March 21, 2013 at 1:08 PM

It’s not the “benefits” we want to understand – it’s the costs – hidden and not so hidden.

Ann on March 21, 2013 at 1:23 PM

That screencap of Sebelius is where boners go to die.

Chuck Schick on March 21, 2013 at 1:01 PM

It’s the ANTI-Viagra.

CurtZHP on March 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

“Told ya so!” I love saying that to liberal pukes.

Jack_Burton on March 21, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Oooohhhhh, I what to part of the pool, can I can I can I……

I’m going to go to healthcare.gov right now and find all out all about it, who’s with me??????

Oh how I loathe these socialist!
Leave me and mine the heck alone.
I don’t want anything to do with your asinine program, m’kay.
I want the freedom to make my own choice.
The Constitution does not guarantee Free Healthcare for all damn it. It does however guaranteed Liberty, I want the Liberty to make my own decisions, and I don’t need nor want your help in this matter.

Why can’t they understand that? I understand that some people in this country are to ignorant or lazy etc. that they need big daddy government running their lives for them, fine just don’t expect me to pay for it.

D-fusit on March 21, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

GhoulAid on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

That’s funny because when I saw the photo of Sebilius the first thing I thought was “Who kicked Sebilius in the face?”.

OxyCon on March 21, 2013 at 1:38 PM

We just need to ban sodas larger than 16, 12, 10, 8 ounces.

Ward Cleaver on March 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM

liberals are unbelievably stupid. You can forgive ignorance, but never stupidity.

ultracon on March 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM

There’s a piece at Bloomberg where, in the first paragraph, the given ‘reason’ for people’s confusion is because of the three year war by opponents to get rid of Obamacare. So, see–all the things we warned about that are coming to pass aren’t sinking in because of our opposition. Not that so many people are stupid and that the Dems lied all along. No, it’s not that. Opposition using the truth is what leaves so many people flummoxed.

Only a liberal could possibly say such a thing and/or believe it.

Liam on March 21, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Another familiar example of a liberal, lying biatch. I know, I know, I repeated myself, but repetition is the best teacher.

HiJack on March 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM

This hag is creepier than Nurse Ratched.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Are medical costs for seniors and the indigent really lower or is it just that the government is paying providers less for Medicare and Medicaid procedures?

Did private insurers really return billions to policyholders last year?

Routine screening for the general population does not save money. In fact, it increases overall costs. Screening for just the at-risk population, on the other hand, does save money.

For example, having all women get an annual mammogram increases costs. For one thing, mammograms pick up microscopic anomalies that doctors, who in the US are forced to practice defensive medicine, must address with further tests and biopsies even though in the vast number of cases those anomalies amount to nothing. If, however, only women who are at risk for breast cancer got annual mammograms, overall costs would decrease.

I’m not suggesting that women shouldn’t get annual mammograms, just saying they don’t save money.

SukieTawdry on March 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM

The fawning courtiers are almost worse than the evil queen.

Ugh.

PattyJ on March 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I’m still waiting for Her Highness of Health Care to explain why some companies and unions have a 3 year exemption on implementation of ObamaCare.

GarandFan on March 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Never miss this - send it around too.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Betsy M is on w/ Cavuto now .
Race to the bottom …. Hospitals given incentives
or rewards to supply the least procedures to seniors !
God , I hate these ba$tards !

Lucano on March 21, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Obama’s Two Americas

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2013 at 4:11 PM

All of the items that Sebelius ticks off in the beginning of the segment — checkups without co-pays, the illegality of declining higher-risk patients, etcetera — these things are not free.

They also do not require a 2,000 page bill and thousands of federal clerks to administer. Before the Progressive Boy Genius came along, most health insurance rules were controlled by the states. If people demand that insurance companies accept everyone who applies even when they are in the midst of an expensive crisis, then you can write that into a five page law. The same goes for rules mandating “free” checkups, condoms, zit cream, or what have you. I used to work for a major health insurer. Most mandates and rules take up no more space than a detailed memo.

The thing that irks me the most about Obamacare supporters and petty bureaucrats like Sebelius is that they NEVER tell us what the remaining 1,980 pages of the law are about. I can forgive that coming from ordinary liberals/progressives. I absolutely do not accept such equivocation and dissembling from the government employees charged with implementing the law.

RobertE on March 21, 2013 at 5:26 PM

pssssssssssssssst, dirty little secret from D.C. Ruling classers.

This AMNESTY thingy is to add 20 million lawbreakers to the tax roles so they can be a new revenue stream for the Federal Government. Sure they will be teaters, but THEY ALREADY ARE on the TEAT. Now the Progressive ruling class wants to start TAKING FROM THEM for the goodies they have been getting for decades.

And the left is essentially trading the young Hispanic illegal population of workers and tax payers and giving THEM HEALTHCARE and Bene’s……..WAIT FOR IT………….While reducing the amount that Seniors and anyone over 45 can get/be reimbursed.

So, increase revenue stream into the federal coffers, reduce expenses and end of life care to seniors and the young and voila. A built in and moldable permanent slave class for the rulers in D.C. to rob.

……and all the while everyone thinks it’s about “immigration reform”.

BOW DOWN MEDIA B**CHES. Your Masters’ Administration needs some “worship”.

PappyD61 on March 21, 2013 at 6:18 PM

…..and this Sebelius supports the evil of the Kansas Abortion industry.

e-v-i-l.

PappyD61 on March 21, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Gibbs, slap this tool.

Thanks. Semper Fidelis.

losarkos on March 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Routine screening for the general population does not save money. In fact, it increases overall costs. Screening for just the at-risk population, on the other hand, does save money.

For example, having all women get an annual mammogram increases costs. For one thing, mammograms pick up microscopic anomalies that doctors, who in the US are forced to practice defensive medicine, must address with further tests and biopsies even though in the vast number of cases those anomalies amount to nothing. If, however, only women who are at risk for breast cancer got annual mammograms, overall costs would decrease.

I’m not suggesting that women shouldn’t get annual mammograms, just saying they don’t save money.

SukieTawdry on March 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Exactly.

And the dirtiest, darkest secret that no one will even utter?

As the population ages, we are spending more and more on keeping the oldest, frailest, sickest patients alive, even if they are no longer mentating. Why? It doesn’t cost the patient or family anything because the government pays for it. The hospital and doctors get paid. The family may get the patient’s Social Security money. The longer we keep people alive, even with very poor quality of life, the more it costs.

Should there be some kind of review to address this?

Yes.

Have the medical societies tried?

Not really (see above-the doctors get paid)

Would you trust anyone in the government to try to fix this problem?

talkingpoints on March 21, 2013 at 8:36 PM

When insurance is provided by private companies and I have a complaint or dispute, I can contact the state insurance comissioner for assistance. When the government and bureaucrats are in charge of the decision making, what recourse do I have if there is a dispute?

Angineer on March 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Good News from the MI home Front. The MI tea party groups are alive and well. They just persuaded the State Legislature to NOT follow through and fund the proposed joint state/fed Obamacare exchange. They adjourned until sometime in April, and the deadline to accept the higher bribe to set up the exchanges expires on 4/1/2013.

So the tea party is actually more effective now that when they were out on the streets in 2010. They are now inside the state government offices being citizen lobbyists to protect taxpayer money.

Meanwhile, the unions have been outside the Capitol in Lansing still whining over the right to work law that goes into effect next week. Meanwhile, all of the teacher public unions that were working without contracts are all trying to shove new contracts for extended years down the throats of their “members” before the deadline next week where union “membership” truly becomes voluntary.

karenhasfreedom on March 21, 2013 at 9:52 PM

When insurance is provided by private companies and I have a complaint or dispute, I can contact the state insurance comissioner for assistance. When the government and bureaucrats are in charge of the decision making, what recourse do I have if there is a dispute?

Angineer on March 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

You don’t have one. The death panels will very effectively ration available care.

karenhasfreedom on March 21, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Kathleen Sebelius needs a good kick to the face.

Kathleen Sebelius is just too stupid to be acknowledged Please tell me she was not permitted to reproduce. Forty years in the insurance industry and I never met an insurance commissioner who knew less about the industry. Believe me, 20% gross is not enough to run an insurance company. Even in the life and health industry. She personifies the problem with Washington, too stupid and too lazy to earn a living in the real world.

georgeofthedesert on March 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM