Biden: No, Obama and I haven’t given up on the assault-weapons ban

posted at 11:21 am on March 21, 2013 by Allahpundit

Read to the end of the interview at NPR for his thoughts on the “black-helicopter crowd” worrying about the government trying to confiscate all guns, even as some Democratic members of Congress admit they’d like to see that happen. A taste:

Block: If you look at the numbers the vast majority of deaths in this country are not from assault weapons, they are from handguns. Are you really fixing the main problem?

Biden: No, you are not fixing the problem. That is like saying, does it make any sense to ban cigarette smoking while you still have global warming going on? C’mon. Does that fix the environmental problem? No. But it saves some people’s lives. Do you say the fact that we took lead out of gasoline? Does that solve the problem? No. It doesn’t. We still have too many emissions going into the air. But it helps. I find that a bizarre argument; if it doesn’t solve the whole problem but, guess what? The fact is that it does impact. The people I go to, to look to, when we talk about assault weapons and magazines; talk to the police officers. They are tired of being outgunned. They are tired of being outgunned.

Block: Well when you say it does save people’s lives there has to be some sort of calculus here, right? There has be to be some point where you say, is the number of lives that we save, does that outweigh the burdens and restrictions we put on millions of Americans. How do you draw that conclusion?

Biden: Tell me what the burden is that you have to buy three clips with 10 rounds versus one clip with 30. The cost is the same. What is the burden? What am I doing to infringe on your constitutional right? You can think of a thousand burdens we put on people that, in fact, are [INAUDIBLE] impact positively on society. It is one thing if you can tell me the burden is onerous.

The same could be said by more aggressive gun-grabbers about banning all semiautomatics, right? If you can still buy a revolver, what’s the burden? If you can still buy a shotgun, what’s the burden in banning all semiautomatic rifles? This gets to the heart of the objection from gun-rights supporters: The assault-weapons ban is so arbitrary that it must, logically, portend more aggressive regulation later. No one who thinks stricter gun control is the key to reducing gun violence would rationally stop at a class of weapons that look like machine guns cosmetically but function the same way as other, non-prohibited semiautomatic rifles. In fact, note how he switches from talking about assault weapons to talking about high-capacity magazines when the interviewer presses him on balancing people’s rights against the efficacy of new regulations. It’s easy to understand the argument against the magazines even if you don’t agree with it: It’s a smaller incursion on a gun owner’s rights than limiting his access to weapons and in theory it might limit the toll from a mass shooting by forcing the shooter to pause to reload more often so that bystanders can grab him. It’s harder to argue that taking the Bushmaster used by Adam Lanza off the market would save lives when permissible weapons like the Ruger Mini-14 fire just as quickly. You’ll have to ban that one too eventually, and many others, if you’re aiming for more than a symbolic gesture. But give Biden credit for one thing: Almost alone among Democrats, he’s been willing to admit that the new gun-control push won’t do much to stop the sort of horror that ostensibly inspired it.

But read the whole thing, especially the part where he crows about 56 percent support for banning “assault weapons.” We saw yesterday in a very different context what a slight change of phrase in a poll question can do; I wonder what would happen to the numbers on assault weapons if pollsters found a more accurate, less terrifying term to describe them. Here’s the real question, though: Why is Biden continuing to push the AWB when Reid insists there aren’t even 40(!) votes for it in the Senate? (Obama’s new chief of staff went so far on Tuesday to insist that the White House will “find the votes” for the AWB, which is nonsense on stilts.) He has two goals here, I think. One: He wants to insulate the White House from the backlash among liberals to the AWB’s failure by trying to push it off on Reid. He and Obama are still committed to it 100 percent; it’s that damned Democratic majority leader who’s gone wobbly. And two: Maybe he thinks that, by reaffirming the White House’s interest in it even at this late hour, he can squeeze 51 Democrats to vote yes when Feinstein introduces the AWB as an amendment to the main gun-control bill. That would be a moral victory insofar as it’d let O claim that a majority of the Senate voted for the ban even if it couldn’t pass cloture. And it’d make it a little easier for the White House to demagogue Republicans as the sole obstacle to the bill’s passage, even though that’d be a transparent lie.


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You notice the Left is never persuaded to give up on its agenda. Every setback, bump in the road, and other obstacles is still met with the determination to press on doggedly until it wears out the opposition little by little and eventually get what it wants.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 11:23 AM

GOP only just now figures out that maybe they’re not so good at connecting
with folks. That their message might be weak and that folks think of them too
often as mean spirited and silly.
 
verbaluce on March 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM at 10:32 AM

rogerb on March 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM

“[M]ilitary-style assault weapons are – these are weapons of war.”
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Yep. The Second Amendment was written to protect the populace, not to protect deer hunters.
This was reaffirmed by Heller.
The only way this is an issue is if politicians don’t trust people.
And if politicians don’t trust us, how can we trust them?

LincolntheHun on March 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM

make it a little easier for the White House to demagogue Republicans as the sole obstacle to the bill’s passage, even though that’d be a transparent lie.

Just laying ground work for more nauseating lies next time there is a high profile shooting.

forest on March 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM

The assault-weapons ban is so arbitrary that it must, logically, portend more aggressive regulation later.

Bravo Allahpundit! And here-in lies the slippery slope of the true intentions of our dear liberal progressive “friends”—what comes later!?

Rovin on March 21, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Joe:

Can you count to 60? Nope, I didn’t think so.

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 11:33 AM

GOP only just now figures out that maybe they’re not so good at connecting
with folks. That their message might be weak and that folks think of them too
often as mean spirited and silly.

Couldn’t be because the GOP’s message is often ignored, misrepresented and mocked to weaken it by leftist pundits in education, the LSM, and talk shows, deliberately to make folks believe the GOP is mean spirited and silly. Often abetted by inarticulate and silly RINOs.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Biden: Tell me what the burden is that you have to buy three clips with 10 rounds versus one clip with 30. The cost is the same.

That is obviously not true, and it brings up an important issue. How much will the control freaks drive increase the cost of gun ownership and thus deny the poorest and most vulnerable the opportunity of self-defense?

thuja on March 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Let the Senate vote on this. It’s a win-win situation for the GOP: either Obama and Biden get rebuked by a large part of their party or Manchin, Tester, and their ilk lose their NRA endorsements in red states. The law won’t pass the House. There is absolutely no downside to this.

blammm on March 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM

And two: Maybe he thinks that, by reaffirming the White House’s interest in it even at this late hour, he can squeeze 51 Democrats to vote yes when Feinstein introduces the AWB as an amendment to the main gun-control bill.

Yeah, good luck with that. This is the crap and betrayed bill all over again. Reid never brought that up for a vote in the Senate(even after it passed the House) cuz he knew it would be a career-ender for red state Dems. The same thing applies to the AWB.

Doughboy on March 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM

OT Hmmmmm…

Dark Knight killer James Holmes ‘is now a Muslim who prays five times a day’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296440/Dark-Knight-killer-James-Holmes-Muslim-prays-times-day.html

James Holmes, the gunman behind the Dark Knight massacre in Colorado last July, has reportedly turned Muslim and prays five times a day.

The killer showed off a lengthy, thick beard during a court appearance earlier this month, and a prison source has claimed it is a symbol of his new-found faith.

How long before his crime is changed to be ‘Theater-place violence’ and flushed down the memory hole?

NMRN123 on March 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM

And if politicians don’t trust us, how can we trust them?

Throughout history, most politicians have never trusted the people, which is why our 2nd Amendment was put into place, for the readiness of law abiding concerned citizens and as a warning of what could be expected if our politicians got too far out of line.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Joe:

Can you count to 60? Nope, I didn’t think so.

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Dude can’t even count to 4. Remember when he thought J-O-B-S was a 3-letter word?

Doughboy on March 21, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Here’s the real question, though: Why is Biden continuing to push the AWB when Reid insists there aren’t even 40(!) votes for it in the Senate?

Because the only thing in the world that’s ‘settled’ is AGW, even though it’s a lie. Liberals see only what they want to see, so even a glaring defeat won’t sit well. I think liberals simply can’t believe anyone would oppose them at all, let alone by such a wide margin. So, they’ll do what they must to ‘find’ the votes they need the same way they can ‘find’ a gazillion ballots in the trunk of a car.

This time around, I don’t think they’re willing to wait for another massacre to keep this push alive. Such horrors are too few and far between for them, though I imagine they’re secretly waiting with glee for the next one. If Obama can force passage now, like with the arm-twisting and vote-buying done for Obamacare, the next massacre can be built on the AWB. More guns will be banned, which is the ultimate intent as we all know.

What liberals refuse to understand/admit is that we don’t need rumors of black helicopters to mistrust their motives. We already have their own words for that.

Liam on March 21, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Dark Knight killer James Holmes ‘is now a Muslim who prays five times a day’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296440/Dark-Knight-killer-James-Holmes-Muslim-prays-times-day.html

No surprise. Muslims are very active in ministering to and proselytizing inmates of our prisons. Quite successfully, I believe.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 11:40 AM

He knows the State Run Media will do everything possible to assist with the State’s agenda…no worries.

d1carter on March 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM

No retreat. We must continue to push back. Push back hard. We must push our Representatives for national CCW reciprocity.

And could someone tell me where are the civil suits against the estate of Lanza’s mother, the person most responsible for enabling his clearly foreseeable rampage?

Yeah, I said it.

M240H on March 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Nice picture, but … shouldn’t his finger gun look more like a shotgun?

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM


In theory it might limit the toll from a mass shooting by forcing the shooter to pause to reload more often so that bystanders can grab him.

Has anyone heard of the concept of the Tactical Reload?

This is when you swap mags when the opportunity arises instead of when it runs dry.

You still have some round left but you choose when the swap out the partially filled mag for a full one.

But the main point is that the change is made at a time of your choosing instead of by random chance.

Bottom line, magazine limits won’t do diddlely squat except limit everyone’s freedom.

NMRN123 on March 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Pols just ‘dance’ around the 2nd like they are scared to articulate the true meaning of it…

Libs are a danger unto themselves, they should quit thinking…

Scrumpy on March 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Biden: Tell me what the burden is that you have to buy three clips with 10 rounds versus one clip with 30. The cost is the same.

This man, like verbulace, is incomprehensibly stupid and inarticulate.
Only stupid,paranoid and inarticulate low information voter types believe others that disagree with them to be to be “mean spirited and silly”.

DevilsPrinciple on March 21, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Libs are a danger unto themselves, they should quit thinking…

Scrumpy on March 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM

No leftist that I know has ever even started thinking…

UltimateBob on March 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM

The obverse of the “black helicopter crowd” is the Constitutionally illiterate and contemptuous crowd, which rather than haunt the fringes of society now in fact run it.

Biden is the most detestably stupid and arrogant figure in high office in my lifetime.

rrpjr on March 21, 2013 at 11:54 AM

This man, like verbulace, is incomprehensibly stupid and inarticulate.
Only stupid,paranoid and inarticulate low information voter types believe others that disagree with them to be to be “mean spirited and silly”.

DevilsPrinciple on March 21, 2013 at 11:47 AM

No true Scotsman much?

SWalker on March 21, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Pols just ‘dance’ around the 2nd like they are scared to articulate the true meaning of it…

Why am I haunted by the image of Bawney Frank from reading this line?

You betcha a lot of ‘em fear the true meaning of the 2nd, for those that understand it at all.

No leftist that I know has ever even started thinking…

I know a few myself.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Joe needs a history lesson as well

From the beginning of the Republic until the 1850s civilians had essentially the same weapons as the Army. Then things changed. While Army still had smooth bores as their basic infantry weapon civilians started getting breachloading Sharps rifles. The Army got its first rifled muskets with the introduction of the 1861 Springfield Minie’ rifle. The Union Army bought some Sharps rifles and carbines (hence the term “Sharpshooters” for marksmen), some Henry and Spencer lever guns mostly for mounted units. These same weapons were available in the civilian market as well.
After the Civil War the 1861 Springfield remained the primary infantry weapon while civilians moved on to the lever action technology. IN 1873 two things happened. The Army got its first standard issue single shot breechloader in the form of the 1873 trapdoor Springfield. The civilians bought the Winchester 1873 15 shot rifle. The Army adopted the Krag-Jorgensen magazine fed, bolt action rifle in the 1890s while at the same time civilians got the new Winchester model 1894 in the new smokeless powder 30-30 caliber round.
After we experienced the Mauser ’98 used by the Spanish in 1898 Springfield Armory made an improved version called 1903 Springfield rifle. However, both Winchester and Remington brought out a series of autoloading hunting rifles thirty years before the Army got them autoloaders. The original Remington Model 1908 is still with us today in the form the Remington model 750. It wasn’t until 1941 that the M-1 became the standard rifle but even so there still were quite a few troops who still had ’03 Springfields at the time of Pearl Harbor.
So in summary, it wasn’t until the introduction of select fire infantry rifles in the late 1950s that the military had a better rifle than civilians. For the first 70 years or so they carried the same type weapon and for the 80 years civilians had better weapons.
The two most popular “approved” bolt action hunting rifles, the Winchester Model 70 and Remington model 700 are Mauser action military style rifles while our standard military rifle is based on civilian technology developed in the late 19th and early 20th century..
One more thing; the NATO 5.56/223 Remington cartridge is a slight modification to the 222 Remington varmint round introduced in 1950 while one the most popular deer rounds is the venerable 30-06 Springfield military round.

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Himmler is smiling, somewhere down below.

Omarxist and Slo Joe – PRAVDA PROUD.

FlaMurph on March 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

From the other thread on the same subject:

My constitutional rights are not subject to a vote. They are mine and will continue to exist no matter what a mob says. And my rights certainly don’t depend on the judgement of Joe “Elmer Fudd” Biden.

RadClown on March 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM
Bingo. End of discussion.

UltimateBob on March 21, 2013 at 11:52 AM
2nded, motion is carried, and Biden et al can go suck it.

44Magnum on March 21, 2013 at 12:03 PM

44Magnum on March 21, 2013 at 12:05 PM

make it a little easier for the White House to demagogue Republicans as the sole obstacle to the bill’s passage, even though that’d be a transparent lie.

Just laying ground work for more nauseating lies next time there is a high profile shooting.

forest on March 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM

You just know democratics are hoping for another mass shooting to help their cause.

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Military style weapons – as in fully automatics – are already illegal.

Military style weapons – as in scary looking – are fashion statements with not real world dference.

krome on March 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Another beaut from Jenius Joe .
Today on CNN he said Rep. Gabby Giffords was “mortally wounded” by an assault weapon.
.
Behold your rulers.Courtesy of:
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Agenda Media.
Low information, Julia voting populace.
Rinse.
Repeat.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 21, 2013 at 12:10 PM

In other words – “we gonna double down on stupid”.

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Do it. And let them see you do it. See you on the field.

Bishop on March 21, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Just be careful with that shotgun Joe. It could blow your head off. Well part of your face in this case.

Bmore on March 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I still like the idea of owning my very own personal assault weapon. I’d love to have a vintage Russian SU-76, for example, if I could get my wife agree on it.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Military style weapons – as in fully automatics – are already illegal.

krome on March 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

But they shouldn’t be.

Shump on March 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Omarxist and Slo Joe – PRAVDA PROUD.

FlaMurph on March 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I must object to that – Pravda right now is actually more on our side and more truthful than any Demtard in this country.

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Point of order, full auto is not illegal but the government has made owning one such an effing intrusion into your life that they might as well be.

Bishop on March 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Another beaut from Jenius Joe .
Today on CNN he said Rep. Gabby Giffords was “mortally wounded” by an assault weapon.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 21, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Well in that case – she doesn’t look so bad for being dead.
But then with most Dems, it’s hard to tell when they cross the line to totally brain dead.

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Military style automatics are not illegal. You can buy any fully automatic weapon produced before 1986 through the NFA process. It is a pain and expensive but if you want a machine gun badly enough you get one.

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Today on CNN he said Rep. Gabby Giffords was “mortally wounded” by an assault weapon.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 21, 2013 at 12:10 PM

ROFL

A heartbeat away from the Launch Codes, you people just remember that every morning as you pour out a bowl of Wheaties, a heartbeat away.

Bishop on March 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Military style automatics are not illegal. You can buy any fully automatic weapon produced before 1986 through the NFA process. It is a pain and expensive but if you want a machine gun badly enough you get one.

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Yes you can – and I’ve shot a lot of them.
Out my way, Dragon Man (Class III dealer and range operator) has an annual Sept 11 Memorial Machine Gun shoot where he and bunch of other machine gun owners bring out their toys for a couple days of pay as you go shootin’ fun for the public. It’s an absolute blast – especially if you can hit one of the gas cans he puts out on the range….

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Another beaut from Jenius Joe .
Today on CNN he said Rep. Gabby Giffords was “mortally wounded” by an assault weapon.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 21, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I imagine he didn’t mean it ‘literally’. Or maybe he did. It’s hard to tell with this idiot. No wonder he had to plagarize to pass his college courses.

Liam on March 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Another beaut from Jenius Joe .
Today on CNN he said Rep. Gabby Giffords was “mortally wounded” by an assault weapon.

If Slow Joe had been a GOP Veep, he would have been so mocked and shamed publicly so often and repeatedly by the Left in his first term, he would have been shamed into retirement with no hope of being allowed on the ticket for re-election and quietly sent off to a nursing home.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Just be careful with that shotgun Joe. It could blow your head off. Well part of your face in this case.

Bmore on March 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Biteme is the Chumley of the REB’s administration.

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Excellent post jerry, mind if I use that?

44Magnum on March 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

A heartbeat away from the Launch Codes, you people just remember that every morning as you pour out a bowl of Wheaties, a heartbeat away.

Bishop on March 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM

With what the Dems are doing to us – “where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?” – I’m almost looking forward to a grand nuke exchange. I might just mosey out on the deck with some good liquor to watch the fireworks.

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

If Slow Joe had been a GOP Veep, he would have been so mocked and shamed publicly so often and repeatedly by the Left in his first term, he would have been shamed into retirement with no hope of being allowed on the ticket for re-election and quietly sent off to a nursing home.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM

And yet Dan Quayle is largely considered the epitome of dumbest VP ever.

Happy Nomad on March 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Why is DHS buying thousands of armed vehicles and stocking up on enough hollow-point ammunition for a 20 year long shooting war? Hollow-point, btw, is outlawed from military use by international treaty. So it can only be used against us.

That’s why we need arms. That’s why we need military style arms.

The last line of defense against a tyrant is the armed citizen. And the man in the White House now has really been showing aspirations of being a tyrant…

wildcat72 on March 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Military style automatics are not illegal. You can buy any fully automatic weapon produced before 1986 through the NFA process. It is a pain and expensive but if you want a machine gun badly enough you get one.

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

I had a “Powder Springs Ga.” stamped MAC-10 with supressor for 5 years and got tired of the hassles I’d get at the classII sanctioned range by cops not knowing that ordinary citizens with a clean record and the ATF paperwork could own and legally operate a full auto firearm. I had one Hillsboro Co. seriff’s deputy think he could confiscate it from me while I was at a range in Tampa. I informed him that only an FBI agent or ATF Agent could legally confiscate the weapon from me and if he needed to prove the point, call his boss. he did, and the range master also told him to get the F!@# off his range for meing terminally stupid.

I made a fairly decent profit off the sale though, and I reloaded all my .45ACP for it. usually ran truncated ball or full ball through it so as not to lead up the supressor.

This was back in ’78 when I lived in Tampa.

44Magnum on March 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Another beaut from Jenius Joe .
Today on CNN he said Rep. Gabby Giffords was “mortally wounded” by an assault weapon.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 21, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I imagine he didn’t mean it ‘literally’. Or maybe he did. It’s hard to tell with this idiot. No wonder he had to plagarize to pass his college courses.

Liam on March 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Shotgun Joe is famous for his plagiarism and bouts with “rhetorical flourishes.” In other words, the only things that come our of his mouth that are truthful or sensical were probably stolen from someone else.

UltimateBob on March 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Make that ClassIII sanctioned range.

44Magnum on March 21, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Just be careful with that shotgun Joe. It could blow your head off. Well part of your face in this case.

Bmore on March 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM

What’s Cheney doing these days? Can we arrange for BiteMe to go on a hunting trip with him?

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Full auto ownership gives the ATF on-demand access to your house and gun safe, do you really want those guys rummaging through your place? The only way to then do it would be to keep the safe out in a pole barn or something, but do you want to do that?

Bishop on March 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Bishop on March 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM

That was the other reason i got rid of the MAC. ATF visited my houe 4 times out of 5 years.

And its not a pleasant visit.

44Magnum on March 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM

And to think that just a few months ago, leading up to the election, both Biden and Obama scoffed and mocked anyone that dared to suggest they were going to try to ban guns.

What a different story these progressives have following the lies they hand out during an election.

Freddy on March 21, 2013 at 12:43 PM

44Mag:

Go ahead but fix my mistakes

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 12:43 PM

‘Toons of the Day: The Grim Reider

M2RB: Blue Öyster Cult

Resist We Much on March 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 12:43 PM

LOL! You make fewer than I do.

44Magnum on March 21, 2013 at 12:50 PM

And yet Dan Quayle is largely considered the epitome of dumbest VP ever.

A lie that forever will be promoted by the Left everywhere. The dumbest, most ignorant and stupid leftist dem politician is by far preferable and protected because they stand for the good and best interest of the downtrodden and ordinary people in our nation, not the coldhearted, greedy, wealthy elite for whom GOP pols are puppets.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Biden: Tell me what the burden is that you have to buy three clips with 10 rounds versus one clip with 30. The cost is the same.

That is obviously not true, and it brings up an important issue. How much will the control freaks drive increase the cost of gun ownership and thus deny the poorest and most vulnerable the opportunity of self-defense?

thuja on March 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Joe: They said there’d be no math. They said no math!! They promised no math questions!!

LoganSix on March 21, 2013 at 1:05 PM

How come when the VEEP points his finger like a gun he is praised, but when a 5 year old does it in kindergarten, he is expelled. Oh that’s right; two different rules for libs and the rest of us.

Old Country Boy on March 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Nice picture, but … shouldn’t his finger gun look more like a shotgun?

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM

He was trying to make it look like a pair of scissors, but he forgot how.

LoganSix on March 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM

In the Near future, stories will abound of this lame brain’s inumeable vocal gaffes & the inexplicable ability to sit on the second most powerful chair in the world. Who says that people with mental handicaps can’t over achieve.

RdLake on March 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM

And could someone tell me where are the civil suits against the estate of Lanza’s mother, the person most responsible for enabling his clearly foreseeable rampage?

Yeah, I said it.

M240H on March 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Last I heard, the AR he stole from her was left in the vehicle and his deed was done with 4 handguns.

Lanceman on March 21, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Since any AWB is DOA in the House have McConnell tell Reid he will not invoke cloture and see how many Dems find somewhere else to be when the vote is taken.

xkaydet65 on March 21, 2013 at 1:32 PM

That is obviously not true, and it brings up an important issue. How much will the control freaks drive increase the cost of gun ownership and thus deny the poorest and most vulnerable the opportunity of self-defense?

thuja on March 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM


This IS the first goal of every gun control organization.

The “entitlements society” makes the poorest and most vulnerable dependent upon the state.

There is NO desire to move people up the socio-economic ladder. If they depend upon the state, they are almost certain to vote for bigger government since the Kneepad Media tells them to morning, noon and night.

If Mitt Romney had won the election, the record number of people on food stamps would have been the world’s greatest tragedy on the morning of November 7th.

The SCOAMF won and ……………………. – utter silence.

Meanwhile, the bulk of the people being murdered with guns are the poorest and most vulnerable with the bulk of those crimes being African-American victims killed by African-American gang members.

Note: Any effective efforts to break up the gangs is denounced as “Racism!” by the Kneepad Media.

When a global economic collapse occurs, who is most likely to riot as food and energy supplies dry up?

The comparitively affluent suburbanites, some of whom were storing up reserves of food, etc in case it happened?

Or the poorest and most vulnerable who suddenly discover the EBT cards are not being accepted because the government is bankrupt?

Liberals HATE the poorest and most vulnerable and for the last 50 years have done everything in their power to make sure they stay the poorest and most vulnerable.

Gun control groups attempts to disarm everyone is based on the fear of the poorest and most vulnerable turning into shock troops against the government in the event of a socio-economic collapse.

PolAgnostic on March 21, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Why is Biden continuing to push the AWB when Reid insists there aren’t even 40(!) votes for it in the Senate? (Obama’s new chief of staff went so far on Tuesday to insist that the White House will “find the votes” for the AWB, which is nonsense on stilts.)

Even if the AWB got 51 votes in the Senate, could they find 218 votes in the House? Doubt it…

Steve Z on March 21, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Another beaut from Jenius Joe .
Today on CNN he said Rep. Gabby Giffords was “mortally wounded” by an assault weapon.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 21, 2013 at 12:10 PM

But she WAS mortally wounded, and Barack Hussein ObaMessiah raised her from the dead.

Steve Z on March 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

RWM, an add-on to your “Stupids in DC” collection.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2013 at 2:07 PM

…talk to the police officers. They are tired of being outgunned. They are tired of being outgunned.

Hey Joe! I’m a retired cop. Guess what Joe; you’re full of bullshit, as usual.

GarandFan on March 21, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Pols just ‘dance’ around the 2nd like they are scared to articulate the true meaning of it…

Libs are a danger unto themselves, they should quit thinking…

Scrumpy on March 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Who says they are thinking. If they did, they would know their arguments are pure garbage.

Libs are in their own fantasy world where they can say something and it becomes true. They have no basis in reality.

Freed0m28 on March 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

One effing heartbeat away. Just remember that each time this mortally stupid moron opens his trap.

Oh look, isn’t that cute – it’s Tina Fey doing her Palin impersonation again! Nevermind.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on March 21, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Obama’s new chief of staff went so far on Tuesday to insist that the White House will “find the votes” for the AWB

Apparently the White House is confused about the Congressional voting process. No, you can’t pay welfare receipiants or bring back dead members of congress to vote for your AWB.

jerryofva on March 21, 2013 at 3:11 PM

RWM, your portfolio enriches

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2013 at 3:14 PM

You know, there is stupid and then there is Biden STUPID.
(They don’t refer to him as Slo-Joe for nothing.)

A fine example of an idiot studying to become a moron, and failing miserably.

A heart beat away indeed.
Moochele was the force behind getting Slo-Joe on the ticket.
Talk about chain-drive life insurance for King Putt.
He’s it.

And no, he CAN’T count to 60 … not enough fingers & toes.

Missilengr on March 21, 2013 at 3:19 PM

No, you can’t pay welfare receipiants or bring back dead members of congress to vote for your AWB.

Ah, but there is the potential of blackmail and personal payoffs to consider. What member of CONgress could possibly resist the charm of Barry under those circumstances.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2013 at 3:21 PM

In other news, he’s still clinging to the belief that the biker chick who sat on his lap had the hots for him.

smoothsailing on March 21, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Tell me what the burden is that you have to buy three clips with 10 rounds versus one clip with 30. The cost is the same.

And, we learned, just as lethal, via the Virginia Tech massacre.

The people I go to, to look to, when we talk about assault weapons and magazines; talk to the police officers. They are tired of being outgunned. They are tired of being outgunned.

Strange. The police have 30 round magazines and “assault rifles” too. In fact, that’s the best argument for having these things — if the police need them for personal defense, then a citizen needs them for personal defense too.

unclesmrgol on March 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

What does the fact that the military uses similar rifles have to do with anything? That’s the way it’s been throughout human history. It’s called technological advancement. Up until the mid-19th century the military and civilians both used muzzle-loading rifles and muskets, then both used breach-loading rifles, then both used lever and bolt-action rifles, and then both used semi-automatic rifles, which gradually morphed from steel and wood to aluminum and plastic, which makes them all scary-looking to stupid people.

Walter Sobchak on March 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Military style weapons – as in fully automatics – are already illegal.

krome on March 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

But they shouldn’t be.

Shump on March 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM

They’re not at all illegal. Their possession by civilians, however, is very tightly controlled by the government.

Solaratov on March 21, 2013 at 8:30 PM

“[M]ilitary-style assault weapons are – these are weapons of war.”

Then why do police need them?

fossten on March 22, 2013 at 8:05 AM