Make them plead guilty to being a felon. No vote, no guns.

cptacek on March 20, 2013 at 1:39 PM

If it gets to that point where it is citizenship or nothing, that is the right way to do it.

The context of that was he stated, No dem would vote for the repubs agreeing to amnesty if the couldn’t vote for 25 years…i.e. they don’t care about making them legal, they want their votes.

Mimzey on March 19, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Make them plead guilty to being a felon. No vote, no guns.

midgeorgian on March 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

i would just keep it simple.

the border must be secure first. then talk about all the other crap.

renalin on March 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM

I would add that the border must proven well secured for a period of no less than ten years – then we can begin to discuss other matters.

The Congress?

Is it that they think we are so many sheep to just follow?

Or is it that they know that we will do nothing?

Or that the MSM will not tell us?

Wake up sheep the wolf is eating us alive.

jpcpt03 on March 20, 2013 at 10:37 AM

They are here because they do not respect us.

And it is not expected of them. The powers that be bend over backwards to encourage all who enter to retain the values, culture and language brought, and require us to adapt to and respect them.

jpcpt03 on March 20, 2013 at 10:37 AM

They are here because they do not respect us.

The problem is a mindset that simply and falsely believes we can deport every single person and that all cases are alike. That’s called foolish and unachievable.

In the end, the best path is a negotiated solution. Otherwise this situation will stay the same ad infinitum. Paul is right to take up and attempt to fix this issue.

(1) They want to be US Citizens?
(2) They are here for the jobs?
(3) They are here for the money?
(4) They are here for what they can get for free?

I believe that (4) is out just because they work to hard. Congress is assuming that (1) is valid, but no one has asked. If it were true why has there been a net decrease in illegal immigration in the last two years (NOT LIKELY THAT ICE IS DOING THEIR JOB), and a net decrease in the 20 year illegal immigrant population.

The answer is, to paraphrase that notorious american philosopher Willie Sutton, Their here because that’s were the money is.

All of the Congressional plans cater to that, and a continuing of the supply of cheap labor. For that reason they are all doomed to fail. The over 20 year population is going home to retire, some with SS retirement pensions.

Apply for a visa at your country of residence.

No exceptions.

No public assistance for illegal aliens.

Prison sentences for employers who hire them.

I bet that all of those advocating 11-12 million illegals marching to Mexico as a solution to our decades old illegal problem have also aided and abetted this crime by either doing business with, hiring, etc. either illegals themselves or a company that employees them. I also bet that they have dined at a restaurant that employed illegals (you know, the busperson who gave you water,
cleared, wiped your table that didn’t speak English).

I don’t have the answer to what is a very complicated issue, however, marching them across the country to Mexico is not a humane thing to do.

Amjean on March 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM

1) yeah, probably have eaten at a restaurant or used a company that’s employed illegals – and? Are citizens supposed to demand the employment records of every restaurant at which they dine before placing their appetizer order? Don’t be ridiculous. I’ll bet everyone’s eaten at a restaurant that participated in other problematic employment, health, and other issues as well – and? Feeble point, friend.

2) not a humane thing to do? Neither is their decision to come here illegally, trying to jump in front of others doing it legally, breaking our laws, and yes, stealing from taxpayers as a result. You could also argue that it’s inhumane to punish criminals for their criminal behavior by sending them to jail and separating them from their families, etc (heard this one before), but… you’d be wrong. There are laws, there are penalties for breaking those laws – tough crap. If you don’t want them walking home, then lobby for arrest and deportation. A graven invitation to stay is an affront to the rule of law, and is not a ‘humane’ option for the rest of us.

I am not “spouting lefty lines” lately. I have said this on numerous occasions. It’s the reality of the situation.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 7:59 PM

You know I appreciate you, I’ve said so a number of times… but let me say here, that your “never going to happen” comments ring quite like the “admitting defeat” comments regarding the Constitution that you were decrying a few days ago.

We didn’t *import* them; we don’t have to *deport* them. We have to take steps that will make it so painful for them to be here (pain for them and anyone that employs them, gives them residence, etc) that they’ll *want* to leave, and they *will* leave, the same way they came.

Deporting them would be a waste of energy that can be more successfully applied in helping motivate them to leave on their own.

In my humble opinion, of course.

Wow, no Gay thread to start our day??

I don’t have the answer to what is a very complicated issue, however, marching them across the country to Mexico is not a humane thing to do.

So, illegal immigrants are filing income tax returns and outing themselves while not working?

How does the IRS know that they exist and need to file tax returns?

Why would illegal immigrants alert the Federal government to their immigration status?

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Uh, yes, and this is a scam that has been going on for quite some time now.

They file income tax returns using Taxpayer Identification Numbers. The IRS issues these to anyone who asks, in place of Social Security numbers (which is what most U.S. citizens use when they file).

Once the illegal alien has his/her TIN, they file an income tax return in which they claim numerous “tax credits.” These have little to do with taxes, despite the name, but are really just disguised welfare payments from the U.S. Treasury. There are “earned income tax credits” (for low income filers) and “dependent child tax credits” and various other types.

There was a story in the news a few years ago about an illegal who was getting thousands of dollars a year from the U.S. Treasury because he was claiming tax credits for about a dozen children (all of whom lived in Mexico, and several of whom were not even his children).

The IRS has admitted that it pays out billions of dollars every year in tax credits to illegal aliens. Are you really this out of touch?

In our lifetime has there ever been border security?

“Border security” is the “Trust me!” of “comprehensive immigration reform.” And we all know what “Trust me!” means in LA and DC.

“Comprehensive immigration reform” also belongs in quotes, because the only thing that is “comprehensively reformed” is the disenfranchisement of your voting rights as an American citizen.

You want to see what America will look like with “comprehensive immigration reform”? Look at California. It leads the nation in illegal immigration and has already experienced “comprehensive immigration reform.”

Any chance of a conservative Republican getting elected to federal or statewide office in California? How long ago was Reagan governor?

Yeah. It’s not going to happen in our lifetime nor the lifetime of anyone’s children.

I’ve got a better idea.

If we are really serious about opening Emma Lazarus’ “golden door,” why don’t we stop playing games, annex Mexico, and declare it the 51st state?

It’s as if politicians NEVER HEARD of LEGAL GUEST WORKER STATUS.

Political wh*res.