Rand Paul’s immigration plan: Border security before probationary legal status

posted at 12:01 pm on March 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

The AP claimed this morning that Paul was set to endorse a path to citizenship in his speech today. Not so, countered conservatives on Twitter: Read his prepared remarks and you’ll see that citizenship is never mentioned. Which is true, and also irrelevant. The whole point of Paul’s speech is GOP rapprochement with Latino voters; he spends nearly two-thirds of it extolling Latinos’ work ethic, reminiscing about his friendships with Latinos growing up in Texas, name-checking Jaime Escalante and Pablo Neruda, and of course citing the ancient canard that Latinos are really just Republicans who don’t know it yet. (He mentions abortion and gay marriage as particular areas of overlap. In fact, younger Latinos support legal abortion in all or most cases and nearly 60 percent of Latinos overall support state recognition of gay marriage.) There’s no earthly way that Paul, having made a conciliatory pitch that florid, would ultimately turn around and insist that illegals be forever barred from seeking citizenship. In his op-ed on immigration today at the Washington Times, he actually refers to them at one point as “undocumented citizens.”(!) When pressed on the issue in the Q&A after his speech, he said this:

So no, he won’t create a special path to citizenship to help move illegals quickly through the green-card process but there’s a path to citizenship through normal channels in the end. Then again, with the singular exception of Jeb Bush, whom no one believes is serious anyway, every prominent Republican politician I can think of supports a path to citizenship eventually. That’s my whole point: If you’re trying to build goodwill with Latinos, there has to be. But what about the rest of Paul’s plan? Quote:

The first part of my plan – border security – must be certified by Border Patrol and an Investigator General and then voted on by Congress to ensure it has been accomplished…

With this in place, I believe conservatives will accept what needs to come next, an issue that must be addressed: what becomes of the 12 million undocumented workers in the United States?

My plan is very simple and will include work visas for those who are here, who are willing to come forward and work…

After an Inspector General has verified that the border is secure after year one, the report must come back and be approved by Congress.

In year two, we could begin expanding probationary work visas to immigrants who are willing to work. I would have Congress vote each year for five years whether to approve or not approve a report on whether or not we are securing the border.

Byron York’s right that that’s a key difference with the Schumer/Rubio bill. The Senate bill would grant probationary legal status to illegals on the day the bill is signed into law; the path to a green card and eventual citizenship would, however, be contingent upon improvements in border security. Immigration hawks argue that that’s not good enough. Realistically, once someone has probationary legal status, there’ll be no political will to revoke it or to postpone the citizenship process indefinitely until border security has been tightened. Paul’s solution is to make that initial probationary legal status also contingent upon better border security. Illegals here get nothing until there’s real evidence that the border’s being enforced more comprehensively. (Paul has been talking about that for weeks, in fact, as a contrast to Rubio’s plan; I wrote about it on January 31.)

There’s just one hitch. Democrats will never agree to let Congress decide whether the border’s been sufficiently secured yet, especially with the GOP poised to gain seats in the Senate next year. The left wants llegals on the track to citizenship as quickly as possible, but if you make that track contingent upon border security, you risk letting a Republican Congress block it every year by voting that the border hasn’t been tightened quite enough yet. Although actually, I think the left’s fear there is overblown: As we get closer to 2016, the specter of alienating Latinos anew by consistently voting to delay citizenship for illegals would convince enough Republicans in Congress to join with Democrats in rubber-stamping border security to get the citizenship process moving. Paul’s bill is actually better politics for the GOP, arguably, because it lets them sound tougher on the border now, when conservatives are paying attention, while letting them go soft later when right-wing voters will be more forgiving of GOP caves that are aimed at winning the election.

One other footnote: He wants to modernize the visa system so that we can better track illegals who are here, but he opposes E-Verify because it “forc[es] businesses to become policemen.” That’s a concession to his libertarian base, many of whom support open borders and won’t like seeing him acting like a border hawk today. The least he can do for them is make sure that private enterprise isn’t being deputized by the state to carry out its regime of policing labor. Why a libertarian would necessarily favor more robust federal visa-tracking over E-Verify, though, I don’t know. Granted, without E-Verify illegals who lack probationary status have a better chance of finding employment, but on the other hand Paul’s scheme would likely require a bigger, more intrusive government agency to check up on illegal workers in lieu of letting employers do it. But then, let’s not get bogged down in the details. This isn’t meant as a viable plan for the Senate, as Rubio’s is, but as a political document aimed at showing grassroots conservatives that he’s tougher on the legalization process than Rubio and at showing independents and Latino voters that he’s compassionate enough towards immigrants to want them to stay and work here as long as they want. I’ll leave you with this:


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My point was that if anyone was to be forced to use E-Verify it should have to be hospitals, schools and government services. But those are exactly the spots that illegals are not allowed to even be asked if they are illegals. Some through court cases and some through the idiotic reasoning that “witnesses won’t come forward and victims won’t report crimes if they are scared that they’ll be deported”. They should be deported and they should be denied those services, but they won’t be, Only private business gets the onus of having to allegedly check up on everyone. Everyone else just laughs, from the government that is busier releasing illegals than anything to the hospitals that are running deficits and have little trauma or emergency services for citizens and people who pay in order to service illegals.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 19, 2013 at 1:23 PM

All businesses are forced by the government to comply with its standards via OSHA, wage and time standards etc.
My point is why not start with the first and most important..employment?
But then, as I stated, my position is to check ID in at least as many places as citizens get checked.

Mimzey on March 19, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Obtuse is running loose.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:32 PM

You have three simple choices.

Rand, who’s not going to follow traditional orthodoxy

Rubio, who is more likely to end up the establishment player

…and Christie.

I’ll stay with Paul, unless he shows signs of wavering on gutting the federal govt. That in itself will effect immigration.

His plan is the most logical so far. As long as he doesn’t dismantle e-verify and keeps citizenship pegged to security, because we ain’t deporting several million without starting riots, which is an option some of you fantasize about.

budfox on March 19, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Irrelevant? In fact it is by far the most important issue… Giving working visas to illegal immigrant is one thing but giving them a path to Citizenship is a totally different universe… Working visas that should be renewed very 3 or 5 years can be tolerated by most Conservatives but giving a citizenship to illegal immigrants would destroy the chances of Republicans winning future elections…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 1:29 PM

It is irrelevant. They are here illegally, granting them amnesty will cause more aliens to choose to break our laws.
Those here illegally should not be made legal, and should be forced out of the workplaces and they should find their way home.
If we need more workers at that point, we can begin increasing the number of work visas we allow to be processed each year and allow those in who are respectful of our laws and sovereignty.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Nothing is going to satisfy some people. Secure the border first (as Paul is trying to do), and they’re still not happy.

“Unacceptable,” they say.
What is acceptable? They never give us a realistic counter-plan – and sorry, but “deport ‘em all” isn’t realistic.” The American people won’t stand for it once they see big-eyed Mexican kids getting carted off in paddy wagons after some guy in a bullet-proof vest and a helmet kicked in mommy and daddy’s door in the middle of the night.

They say “amnesty” will put Republicans in permanent minority status. Seems to me we’re headed there already. The demographics are already changing, and if you think constant “kick ‘em all out” rhetoric and railing about how Hispanics are deadbeats who just want hand-outs is going to attract their votes, you’re delusional.

We need to secure the border, first…that’s a given that nearly everyone on our side agrees with. Then there are realistic plans to deal with people who are already here, and then there’s…well, sorry…there’s stupidity.

I don’t think Rand’s plan is perfect, but it’s a damn sight better than what Rubio has been talking about.

DRayRaven on March 19, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Here is part of what Sen. Rand Paul says:

The solution doesn’t have to be amnesty or deportation-a middle ground might be called probation where those who came illegally become legal through a probationary period.

My plan will not impose a national ID card or mandatory E-Verify, forcing businesses to become policemen.

We should not be unfair to those who came to our country legally. Nor should we force business owners to become immigration inspectors-making them do the job the federal government has failed to do.

After an Inspector General has verified that the border is secure after year one, the report must come back and be approved by Congress.

In year two, we could begin expanding probationary work visas to immigrants who are willing to work. I would have Congress vote each year for five years whether to approve or not approve a report on whether or not we are securing the border.

How does Paul intend to assure that these aliens are in the country legally if the federal government has failed to do its job? Paul doesn’t want to use E-verify in order to take the burden from employers? What does he propose to ensure that employers are hiring “government-approved” immigrant-aliens?

We know that the federal government has failed miserably in this regard, sloughing off the burden of social welfare onto the states and handicapping them in assuring legal residency.

onlineanalyst on March 19, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Nothing is going to satisfy some people. Secure the border first (as Paul is trying to do), and they’re still not happy.

“Unacceptable,” they say.

DRayRaven on March 19, 2013 at 1:37 PM

That was McCain rally cry.
Hows it working out.

The issue is not “satisfying” people on all positions, it’s trusting the political Leviathan to uphold it’s word.

Mimzey on March 19, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Pressures and mandates.

Speakup on March 19, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Rand, who’s not going to follow traditional orthodoxy

budfox on March 19, 2013 at 1:32 PM

He’s a maverick, I tell ya.

Ronnie on March 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

It is irrelevant. They are here illegally, granting them amnesty will cause more aliens to choose to break our laws.
Those here illegally should not be made legal, and should be forced out of the workplaces and they should find their way home.
If we need more workers at that point, we can begin increasing the number of work visas we allow to be processed each year and allow those in who are respectful of our laws and sovereignty.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Most illegal immigrants work for small businesses and no one is going to go after small businesses… That is the unfortunate truth…. So it is better to give them temporary working visa so they cna pay some taxes but never give them citizenship… This is the most realistic solution….

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Nothing is going to satisfy some people. Secure the border first (as Paul is trying to do), and they’re still not happy.

“Unacceptable,” they say.

DRayRaven on March 19, 2013 at 1:37 PM

That was McCain rally cry.
Hows it working out.

The issue is not “satisfying” people on all positions, it’s trusting the political Leviathan to uphold it’s word.

Mimzey on March 19, 2013 at 1:41 PM

It was also promised to the American people when Ronald Reagan granted amnesty.

Lies, lies, lies.

stenwin77 on March 19, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Bah bye, Rand.

stenwin77 on March 19, 2013 at 1:48 PM

A few minutes ago Rush Limbaugh was claiming to be ignorant of the reason why the GOP establishment keeps pushing amnesty even though it would be so destructive to the party and America. Frankly, I think Rush knows the answer but doesn’t want to offend his establishment friends. The reason the GOP keeps pushing amnesty is because their cronies demand it. They just wasted a billion dollars in ’12 for amnesty and other reasons and they want payback.

FloatingRock on March 19, 2013 at 1:54 PM

So it is better to give them temporary working visa so they cna pay some taxes but never give them citizenship… This is the most realistic solution….

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Then we may as well just leave them where they are now. I couldn’t care less if they want to pick oranges for $2 an hour — jobs Americans won’t do and all that. But why should open up the entire job market to them when we get nothing out of it? Sure they’d pay taxes on the income, but so would the American who got the job.

Ronnie on March 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM

DRayRaven on March 19, 2013 at 1:37 PM

He is making them legal first.

He says there is a middle ground between deportation and amnesty and then proposes amnesty.

Your side cannot win on anything of merit and simply chooses to make it all about feelings.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 1:56 PM

The same five people who never supported Rand are very upset with this proposal.

rndmusrnm on March 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I was a Ron Paul supporter in ’12. The only reason I’m not firmly in the Rand Paul column is because of this one issue. If not for amnesty I would be an enthusiastic supporter.

FloatingRock on March 19, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Don’t worry guys. Obama will secure the border. He’ll put sheriff Joe on it. Then they’ll pay the same taxes that 47% of the country doesn’t pay.

El_Terrible on March 19, 2013 at 1:58 PM

So it is better to give them temporary working visa so they cna pay some taxes but never give them citizenship… This is the most realistic solution….

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

What taxes are they going to pay that they do not already? The child tax credit one? The making work pay tax credit? The I sent $1200 to my family back home, so I can count 12 people as dependents tax?

They will not even be paying social security and medicare taxes.

exemptions:
work done by temporary foreign agricultural workers;
work performed by Resident Aliens or Nonresident Aliens under an F, J, M, or Q visa

What taxes exactly will they be paying again?

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM

It was also promised to the American people when Ronald Reagan granted amnesty.

Lies, lies, lies.

stenwin77 on March 19, 2013 at 1:48 PM

I’m pretty sure Rand’s plan is different than the one that passed under Reagan. Under that bill, the border was supposed to be dealt with in future legislation, not within the bill itself.

But you bring up a good point: maybe we should posthumously brand Reagan a RINO and drum him out of the party.

DRayRaven on March 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Most illegal immigrants work for small businesses and no one is going to go after small businesses… That is the unfortunate truth…. So it is better to give them temporary working visa so they cna pay some taxes but never give them citizenship… This is the most realistic solution….

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Screw that! The way to make illegal aliens, and everybody else, pay their fair share in taxes is to flush the corrupt tax code down the drain and replace it with a national sales tax. It doesn’t require any fascist ID cards for the neo-gestapo to enforce and it is a lot harder for cronies to re-corrupt.

FloatingRock on March 19, 2013 at 2:03 PM

One this is certain, and this may be unpleasant, but it is UNDENIABLY TRUE:

NO ONE IS GOING TO SEND 12-20 MILLION ILLEGALS HOME.

Anyone, who believes otherwise, is just not facing the reality of the situation.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM

FloatingRock on March 19, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I’m with this guy.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I’m pretty sure Rand’s plan is different than the one that passed under Reagan. Under that bill, the border was supposed to be dealt with in future legislation, not within the bill itself.

But you bring up a good point: maybe we should posthumously brand Reagan a RINO and drum him out of the party.

DRayRaven on March 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM

You’re trying to be reasonable with an unreasonable person, it’s not going to work. People like him haven’t read Rand’s speech because reading iZ hard.

rndmusrnm on March 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM

One this is certain, and this may be unpleasant, but it is UNDENIABLY TRUE:

NO ONE IS GOING TO SEND 12-20 MILLION ILLEGALS HOME.

Anyone, who believes otherwise, is just not facing the reality of the situation.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Do not have to. Just have to make life here worse for them than life back home. No Job, No Welfare = no money to live on. They will go home all by themselves.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM

But you bring up a good point: maybe we should posthumously brand Reagan a RINO and drum him out of the party.

DRayRaven on March 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM

How is that a good point?

Ronnie on March 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Screw that! The way to make illegal aliens, and everybody else, pay their fair share in taxes is to flush the corrupt tax code down the drain and replace it with a national sales tax. It doesn’t require any fascist ID cards for the neo-gestapo to enforce and it is a lot harder for cronies to re-corrupt.

FloatingRock on March 19, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I bet you have never done a root cause analysis of a problem in your life. You are connecting apples and oranges here… Re-doing the tax code is a totally different endeavour and requires totally different political approach…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:07 PM

One this is certain, and this may be unpleasant, but it is UNDENIABLY TRUE:

NO ONE IS GOING TO SEND 12-20 MILLION ILLEGALS HOME.

Anyone, who believes otherwise, is just not facing the reality of the situation.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Doing away with their freebies and jobs, they will go home.

AllahsNippleHair on March 19, 2013 at 2:07 PM

I’m pretty sure Rand’s plan is different than the one that passed under Reagan. Under that bill, the border was supposed to be dealt with in future legislation, not within the bill itself.

But you bring up a good point: maybe we should posthumously brand Reagan a RINO and drum him out of the party.

DRayRaven on March 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM

You’re trying to be reasonable with an unreasonable person, it’s not going to work. People like him haven’t read Rand’s speech because reading iZ hard.

rndmusrnm on March 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM

One of Reagan’s greatest regrets was this.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM

NO ONE IS GOING TO SEND 12-20 MILLION ILLEGALS HOME.

Anyone, who believes otherwise, is just not facing the reality of the situation.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I’ve never been an advocate of that. We have a false choice in front of us; Deport them all, or give them citizenship. Screw that. Secure the borders and let them decide if they stay or go.

El_Terrible on March 19, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Then we may as well just leave them where they are now. I couldn’t care less if they want to pick oranges for $2 an hour — jobs Americans won’t do and all that. But why should open up the entire job market to them when we get nothing out of it? Sure they’d pay taxes on the income, but so would the American who got the job.

Ronnie on March 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Yes there are many jobs that Americans are not willing to do because the Welfare State is taking care of them or because they are too spoiled by their parents. Why would a welfare queen or king work for 6 dollars and hour when they got 20 dollar an hour staying home through welfare, doing drugs, watching TV, etc… Why would the spoiled young people age 16-30 work for $ 6 an hour when their parents are taking care of them…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Dead party walking.

Midas on March 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Do not have to. Just have to make life here worse for them than life back home. No Job, No Welfare = no money to live on. They will go home all by themselves.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM

No one will go after small business where the vast majority of illegal immigrants work… You can yell and scream from now until eterity about it but it is not going to happen…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I agree. I think Large L libertarians tend to be idealists who live more in a theoretical world than a real one. The problem is when you try to take ideas and put them into practical application and account for human nature and the Democratic political party-sometimes idealism just doesn’t work.

melle1228 on March 19, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Exactly. In the real, present day world the Libertarian Party is a political suicide pact. If they actually win any political power they will have sewn the seeds of the demise of liberty. Perhaps generations from now if there is a global liberty movement and the majority of people in the world believe in freedom and liberty, then, and only then, will open borders be viable, and I would support it.

Open borders is an excellent ideal for an ideal world, but this isn’t an ideal world.

FloatingRock on March 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

No one will go after small business where the vast majority of illegal immigrants work… You can yell and scream from now until eterity about it but it is not going to happen…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I WILL.
ANYONE ELSE?

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

No one will go after small business where the vast majority of illegal immigrants work… You can yell and scream from now until eterity about it but it is not going to happen…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I WILL.
ANYONE ELSE?

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I am willing to go down to getting the little old ladies who go to home depot to find a nice illegal alien do her yard work or cut down a tree.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Then we may as well just leave them where they are now. I couldn’t care less if they want to pick oranges for $2 an hour — jobs Americans won’t do and all that. But why should open up the entire job market to them when we get nothing out of it? Sure they’d pay taxes on the income, but so would the American who got the job.

Ronnie on March 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Yes there are many jobs that Americans are not willing to do because the Welfare State is taking care of them or because they are too spoiled by their parents. Why would a welfare queen or king work for 6 dollars and hour when they got 20 dollar an hour staying home through welfare, doing drugs, watching TV, etc… Why would the spoiled young people age 16-30 work for $ 6 an hour when their parents are taking care of them…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Not to mention that the illegals bring down the wages in the industry. Besides, most of my fruit and vegetables are grown in Mexico and South America anyway.
I had my taxes done last week. The preparer said she had someone on unemployment come in to prepare his taxes. He made $21,000 last year for doing nothing.

AllahsNippleHair on March 19, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Enforce the border, enforce the law, stop giving illegals anything for free, and you won’t have to deport them all – they’ll leave on their own.

Deport the ones you do catch, sure. Beyond that, make it painful to get here, painful to stay, painful to employ them, painful to give them any benefits, no anchor babies, no benefit of any kind to being here illegal – only and always pain.

Deportation would be a non-issue. That’s always been a straw-man anyway; “we can’t deport a gazillion of them!” is nothing but a way to push you to accept the unacceptable false alternative of rewarding criminals with citizenship and voting rights, the vast majority of which will be exercised to the benefit of Democrats.

GOP: dead party walking.

Midas on March 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM

So, I’m going to put you in the ‘NO’ category for businesses requiring pee test before they hire you? Yeah, how about that question about felonies?
I’ll wait.

AllahsNippleHair on March 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM

bazil9 on March 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Please do yourself a favor and play this at your convenience. I learned a great deal.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/311593-4
BuckeyeSam on March 19, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Thank you for that, Sam. Steve Pearce is my congresscritter and I know him personally. I like him very much, as a legislator and a person. He votes the way I’d want him to 95% of the time, which is a better ratio than any other dang politician I’ve ever run across.

If he was a little less low-key, he would make a wonderful leader for a sane, conservative resurgence in the GOP. But the guy you see in that video is the real person. Quiet, competent but not as forceful as I wish he was. You’ll never hear him say “Don’t you know who I am?” to get to the head of the line.

Here is a little secret about him that only a handful of people know:
I live in a pretty rich, conservative resort town in his district. He came for the biggest rally / fund raiser of the 2004 campaign. We had a GOTV volunteer, A nice Lady from the Apache reservation with a brilliant young son , and her main goal is to help her son succeed in life, and sees conservatism as the way for that to happen.

Well, Steve sat down with her and her son in a quiet corner for nearly an hour, to listen to her concerns and ideas. And every time a local big-wig came towards him for a glad-handing and back-slapping, and campaign check passing moment, he waved them away so he could concentrate on what a poor and unlikely constituent / supporter had to say.

Steve Pearce is the only reason I am ambivalent about term limits.

The only long-time politician that never stuck a knife in my back.

LegendHasIt on March 19, 2013 at 2:19 PM

No one will go after small business where the vast majority of illegal immigrants work… You can yell and scream from now until eterity about it but it is not going to happen…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Um, sure they will. I mean, whining f*ckwits won’t, but people who do actually give a sh1t will.

So what’s your point again?

Midas on March 19, 2013 at 2:20 PM

NO ONE IS GOING TO SEND 12-20 MILLION ILLEGALS HOME.

Anyone, who believes otherwise, is just not facing the reality of the situation.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM

How about 6-10 million?

Mimzey on March 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Um, sure they will. I mean, whining f*ckwits won’t, but people who do actually give a sh1t will.

So what’s your point again?

Midas on March 19, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Who are the people who give a shit and HAVE THE POWER to actually enforce the law would go after small businesses for hiring illegal immigrants?

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Rand Paul, Like Marco Rubio, wants to secure the border FIRST. I don’t see a problem with this. We’re not gonna deport millions of people. It may be unfair and it may stink to high heaven, but that’s what it boils down to.

So once the border is totally secure, I don’t have a problem with putting these individuals on a (long) path to citizenship.

Jack_Burton on March 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Who are the people who give a shit and HAVE THE POWER to actually enforce the law would go after small businesses for hiring illegal immigrants?

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:22 PM

The ones the GOP *could* put in office if they weren’t busy sending lickspittle toadies that want to grant amnesty to Democrat-supporting-illegals instead.

Midas on March 19, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Who are the people who give a shit and HAVE THE POWER to actually enforce the law would go after small businesses for hiring illegal immigrants?

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I am sure your plan is what will happen with this. The Republicans will never have power again.
As for who? If we do not have people to do it now, then I say sit it out and wait til we do.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:24 PM

So once the border is totally secure, I don’t have a problem with putting these individuals on a (long) path to citizenship.

Jack_Burton on March 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Half the illegals we are told come here on visa’s and just never go home. You need internal enforcement!

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:26 PM

I WILL.
ANYONE ELSE?

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Great the next time you see a small business hiring illegal immigrants (construction, gas station, restuarant, grocey store, landscaping, etc…) call ICE and let us see know how they respond to your tip…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Rand Paul, Like Marco Rubio, wants to secure the border FIRST. I don’t see a problem with this. We’re not gonna deport millions of people. It may be unfair and it may stink to high heaven, but that’s what it boils down to.

So once the border is totally secure, I don’t have a problem with putting these individuals on a (long) path to citizenship.

Jack_Burton on March 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM

And, THIS is why the Republican Party will be in the dark, fondling themselves, and wondering why the democrats are in charge forever.
You stop giving these parasites freebies and jobs, they will go home. They don’t want citizenship. They want your wallet.

AllahsNippleHair on March 19, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Great the next time you see a small business hiring illegal immigrants (construction, gas station, restuarant, grocey store, landscaping, etc…) call ICE and let us see know how they respond to your tip…

mnjg on March 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Like I said, better to let it remain the way it is until we have people in power to do something, I for one will vote against those who will not do the right thing.

But you never answered my question about them paying taxes?
They will not pay social security and medicare taxes as temporary workers.
They will not pay income taxes and instead will collect vast amounts of refundable tax credits.
They already pay sales taxes.

So what taxes will they pay under Rand Paul’s plan?

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:32 PM

I WILL.
ANYONE ELSE?

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I WILL
Oh God, I agree with astronerii
*stab self in the eye with a paper clip*

bazil9 on March 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM

#standdownRand

Ya coulda been a contenda!

Illegal immigration is akin to a plague and should be treated as would the CDC. Use every available tool to wipe it out as if your life depends on it. Because it does.

Demand e-verify 100% compliance for every business. Non compliance and you’re shut down.

Let the Military Joint Chiefs of staff certify and report on border security.

can_con on March 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM

bazil9 on March 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Me and you would be able to get along better if there was not a welfare state. I am just not willing to pay for other people’s lives unless I get some say in how they live that life.
I send money every month to my in laws. It used to be much more than it is today. But they began doing things with the money I did not approve of. So, I kept reducing the amount sent until they only have enough money to do the things that are necessary.
When people earn their own way, I am happy to let them live their lives any way they want that does not affect others.
The welfare state prevents that from being the case.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Steve Pearce is the only reason I am ambivalent about term limits.

The only long-time politician that never stuck a knife in my back.

LegendHasIt on March 19, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Thank you, Legend. Nice that one real man is left in DC.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM

So, I’m going to put you in the ‘NO’ category for businesses requiring pee test before they hire you? Yeah, how about that question about felonies?
I’ll wait.

AllahsNippleHair on March 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Oh yeah nippy..the pee test..
add back ground checks..hell even the latest-credit checks.
I have to pass credit checks…to sell insurance! Per the Govt!
CMS requires I pass a credit check to sell medicare advantage plans and supplements. Yes, the Govt.

On a side note..when I worked for a copy similar to ADP for their benefit division..they made employers coming o-board with us fill out the I9′s and we use to catch many falsified SS#’s..so what would that prospect do? Term those people..come on board with us for payroll then rehire them after they were set with us. Why?
The sales people would tell the prospect we didn’t look after or at any new hires..so no problemo. These were usually labor/blue collar companies. People are well aware of how to skirt the system.

bazil9 on March 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The “illegal and legal Mexicans” self deport several times a year via “Los Mexico Bus Lines”.

Vist any truck stop in American that is on the route to Mexico on a Mexican holliday, Christmas ect. and see for yourselves.

The deport lie/change the subject deal is unreal and just a way to change the subject from the crimes and fraud.

The “illegal immigration drug cartel” operations are one and the same.

No one comes accorss illegal now unless they pay the cartel coyotes.

This crime is sinking deep into the fabric of the U.S. and will over time reduce U.S. to the corrupt level of the cartel run Mexican Goverment.

time has come for a choice,

Freedom and the rule of law.

or

A nation of crime and who is the one with the most guns and ammo.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM

bazil9 on March 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Me and you would be able to get along better if there was not a welfare state.
astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM

I highly doubt it. You don’t even know me or my views
and it inst the welfare state…which I am not a fan of.
But sense we are having a “nice” moment, I prefer not to ruin it.
Lets bond. :D /

bazil9 on March 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Do not have to. Just have to make life here worse for them than life back home. No Job, No Welfare = no money to live on. They will go home all by themselves.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM

That’s not going to happen. We have to deal with reality here.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 2:51 PM

That’s not going to happen. We have to deal with reality here.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Then leave it the way it is until we can do the right thing. We have had this issue for 30 years. Why face it down now? No reason to and many reasons not to.
JUST F&CKING NO ON AMNESTY period.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

The illegals are the new wage/vote slaves.

It is a moral and law breaking crime for all of U.S..

Every one looks the other way.

God/The Great Sprit/our souls/the simple truth of the evil is on U.S. all now for allowing this crime to continue.

There will be a judgment and it is closer every day.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Rand Paul finally comes out of the closet

First clue: Rand’s ‘rebuttal’ to the SOU and Rubio’s RINO speech, was sadly soft. Rubio had already put it in writing in his staged essays about amnesty. This was Rand’s national platform to distinguish himself from Rubio/POTUS. People were expecting the other side of the coin, but the soft speech was setup to look like, hey, everyone is on the same train

Rand can stop playing good cop/bad cop. His filibuster was to prove he was no McCain. McCain kindly obliged, acting cranky and calling Rand a ‘WACKO’. They can stop play acting now

Sounds better than what Rubio and his gang are working on, but the problem is when you leave so much of it up to Congress, we’re gonna get screwed in the end bluegill on March 19, 2013 at 12:03 PM

YEP

After an Inspector General has verified that the border is secure after year one, the report must come back and be approved by Congress. – rand Paul

Inspector Generals appointed by POTUS are approved by the Senate, but removed by POTUS. Lesser Inspector Generals are appointed by agency, and who appoints agency heads? The current President has not enforced a crate load of law, and the only way Congress can intervene is impeachment. Even if the GOP grabbed the Senate, there are not enough votes, so the Inspector General ploy is just that. A joke

One other footnote: He [Rand] wants to modernize the visa system so that we can better track illegals who are here, but he opposes E-Verify because it “forc[es] businesses to become policemen.” That’s a concession to his libertarian base, many of whom support open borders and won’t like seeing him acting like a border hawk today – AP

E verify does not make employers border hawks. It keeps them from hiring people who have no legal permission to take a job in the US. Without E verify, hiring of undocumenteds will continue, because if every illegal in the USA was given a green card, employers would shift to new illegals, because the purpose of hiring is to get people who work under the radar, and are submissive and eat dirt because they are not going to squeal on the employer

you’re a goddamn retard if you keep violently throwing every single person out of your True Conservative Club the first time they deviate from your opinion on one issue or another… I think Rand Paul is quite wrong on this. But that doesn’t mean I want to execrate him Esoteric on March 19, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Disagree. This isn’t tanks for Egyptian Brotherhood, or printing bogus bucks at Treasury. This is unalterable change in the voter base in the US, with no mechanism to truly stop the continued influx of even more illegals. This is an unrecoverable step up in disbanding rule of law.
Immigration and Border law can be changed by Congress, but the public does not want the law changed or it could be easily repealed. This is a bogus game to negate a body of law, to please the elites of both parties, and disenfranchise their enemies in the worker class.

Folk, this is part of staging a new fast end run around the public to ram amnesty. They are trying to build an image, via propaganda and good cop/ bad cop, that the public now wants amnesty. They want the opponents to feel public opinion no longer backs them, so they cease to protest

Bottom line. I will vote for any presidential candidate who opposes amnesty and any form thereof, which this is. I don’t care if the candidate is republican, democrat, independent or Chinese.
And I will oppose any candidate that pushes for amnesty. Can you hear me now?
voiceofreason on March 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I am there

entagor on March 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

That’s not going to happen. We have to deal with reality here.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 2:51 PM

What isnt going to happen rwm?
Us enforcing the laws we actually have but don’t?
Besides the border issue..there is a reason they hop skip and jump around
and do whatever they damn well please in the open…and more keep coming..
because they know we don’t enforce shite.
I surely wouldn’t go to Mexico to illegally immigrate or other countries..why is that? Maybe because they enforce their laws..that are harsh.
You know I luv you to pieces and highly respect your opinion.
I am working and multi tasking-so forgive me if I missed any posts you already made..what do you believe will work then as a solution?
And yes..I know deporting them all isn’t reality.

bazil9 on March 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Do not have to. Just have to make life here worse for them than life back home. No Job, No Welfare = no money to live on. They will go home all by themselves.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM

That’s not going to happen. We have to deal with reality here.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 2:51 PM

On which end? The welfare or the self deportation?
I’m going to steal your identity because, hey, that’s today’s reality. You don’t mind, right? We already broke your sovereignty and broke into your home, right?

AllahsNippleHair on March 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

You have three simple choices.

Rand, who’s not going to follow traditional orthodoxy

Rubio, who is more likely to end up the establishment player

…and Christie.

budfox

There’s a fourth choice….vote for the democrat. Because if republicans are simply going to push one democrat policy after another, what’s the difference? And there’s a fifth choice as well…sit home and vote for no one, like many did last election. At this point, what difference does it make anyway?

“Unacceptable,” they say.
What is acceptable? They never give us a realistic counter-plan –

Lie. What you mean is you want amnesty, and any plan that doesn’t grant amnesty isn’t realistic because…well, because damn it.

and sorry, but “deport ‘em all” isn’t realistic.”

Ahhh yes, the old “deport em’ all” canard, a favorite of the amnesty shill. Because there’s only 2 solutions to this problem….amnesty for all, or deport them all. You should have thrown poor grandma in there too.

Meanwhile, Obama BRAGS about deporting more illegals than any other president, and he still carries the Hispanic vote handily. Go figure.

We need to secure the border, first…that’s a given that nearly everyone on our side agrees with.

Sorry, not viable. Hispanics disagree with border security. It’s inhumane to keep a poor illegal grandma out who only wants a better life. Why do you hate Hispanic grandmas?

They say “amnesty” will put Republicans in permanent minority status. Seems to me we’re headed there already.

DRayRaven

Then the last thing we need to do is accelerate the process by about 50 years. Maybe we should figure out how to get Hispanic votes before handing democrats a permanent majority 50 years early.

xblade on March 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

That’s not going to happen. We have to deal with reality here.

Resist We Much

Then here’s the reality: America is done.

xblade on March 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM

As other posters here have stated…
I will not vote for anyone that keeps using the lefts Euphemisms and not call it what is damn well is. Or approve of amnesty.
For the majority on the right-abortion is their deal breaker-
this one is one of mine.
Did I just agree with BG too? Something is wrong in the universe today.
I grew up near the border and now live in a state flush with illegals from Cen Am,Carribean, & Sth Am. This has been growing for so many years and now because nothing was ever done its out of control.
Like most things..we wait until it something becomes so bad-we can’t even begin to correct it.
Now we have millions..they have power in #’s and we have to bend over backwards for THEM and pander and kiss their as$. It makes me wanna puke. I couldn’t get a job down south because I wasn’t bi-lingual, I gotta be threatened to pay for bi-lingual classrooms, pay for all their welfare, education,medical,CJ system,on and on- and wait to see a damn DR in the ER for hours as they use it for their private Dr offices. Americans are sick of it. And God help those that live near the border like Loredo TX that have it on the property and backyard. The cartels,violence, gangs- it never ends.
This issue is an economic and a national security issue- besides the damn fact we or a sovereign nation with a border for a damn reason. Painting it as nice people who are poor and want a better life and are hard workers-and we are so mean and bigoted because we just won’t let them stay and hand them citizenship is a effing crock of shite. I have lived and been in parts of the US that are unrecognizable from the 3rd world hell holes they came from. And it spreads.. I fear it is to late.

bazil9 on March 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

I will also add-
Inviting Mexican President Felipe Calderon to blast our congress on the Arizona law still burns my a$$.
That was RICH. Effing unbelievable.
That itself tells a story.

bazil9 on March 19, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Most illegal immigrants work for small businesses and no one is going to go after small businesses… That is the unfortunate truth…. So it is better to give them temporary working visa so they cna pay some taxes but never give them citizenship… This is the most realistic solution….

mnjg

If no one is going to go after them, then they have no reason to come forward for a visa at all. Better to work without paying taxes, get free health care, etc.

By the way, you don’t have to go after small business(which is a bogus argument BTW). If we go after a few big businesses and set the tone that illegals working here isn’t acceptable, many will leave. You think they actually view the issue on a small business-big business prism?

But you bring up a good point: maybe we should posthumously brand Reagan a RINO and drum him out of the party.

DRayRaven

Nice try, amnesty shill. 25 years ago we didn’t know what a colossal failure it would be. Today we do. If Reagan were alive today pushing for another amnesty knowing what we know now, he would be as wrong as the other clowns who are pushing for it.

xblade on March 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Texas must have different or fewer problems with illegals than do other border states.

This may account for the differences expressed by Gov. Perry and Sen. Rand Paul regarding Hispanic illegals. The problem with Paul’s appeal in that speech is that he is hearkening back to days in his youth when the levels of crime and drug activity via cartels were much less rampant than they are today.

Napolitano’s DHS has exacerbated the current problems with her lawless what-me-worry head in the sand. Releasing illegals set for deportation, some of whom were felons, in order to play sequestration games adds to the furor. (Or should I say “fast and furious-er”?

We do also have a number of illegals floating around the nation on expired visas, many of whom hail from the ME, where the Islamist mindset is a danger to our national security.

Cutting the social safety nets would go a long way in encouraging self-deportation and in discouraging illegal migration.

onlineanalyst on March 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Rand Paul is Ron Paul’s son. He was raised as part of the political class.

Ron Paul and his son are colluding together to parlay Ron Paul’s political career into a family business. Rand Paul has just proven to one and all that his ambition to fulfill his father’s dream of the presidency is worth everything to him, including trampling the rule of law, and virtually insuring that there will always be a steady stream of cheap foreign labor to keep wages depressed in this nation. If you need any proof of this note his statement regarding ‘…undocumented citizens’.

I might also point out that Libertarians are, and always have been, open borders supporters.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

So, what needs to be done with illegals here?

Rusty Allen on March 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Illegal immigration is akin to a plague and should be treated as would the CDC. Use every available tool to wipe it out as if your life depends on it. Because it does.

can_con: Chicago has the distinction of having the most bedbugs in its environs. Mexican/Central American illegals are rampant in the area. In their crowded quarters, are they not spreading pestilence/disease?

How about the resurrection of tuberculosis and smallpox in the US?

Ellis Island used to screen for communicable diseases when the waves of immigrants came? Why are we not doing the same these days?

These are not observations of a xenophobe. Our tax dollars should be protecting us from easily preventable problems.

onlineanalyst on March 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM


But you never answered my question about them paying taxes?
They will not pay social security and medicare taxes as temporary workers.
They will not pay income taxes and instead will collect vast amounts of refundable tax credits.
They already pay sales taxes.

So what taxes will they pay under Rand Paul’s plan?

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 2:32 PM


No one is willing to address this? This is one of your selling points, that they will start paying taxes. PROVE IT. I have evidence to the contrary, and nothing but crickets from you!

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

These are not observations of a xenophobe. Our tax dollars should be protecting us from easily preventable problems.

onlineanalyst on March 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I will take your word for the issues in Chicago, and I certainly didn’t mean that illegal immigrants are literally bringing the plague to the USA, but I do think that the issue needs to be treated as a financial plague that is speeding up the debt spiral.

That being said, I am sure that the health risks you point out are real and need to be addressed. It is high-time to take the emotion out of the arguments and treat the issue(s) logically.

can_con on March 19, 2013 at 4:14 PM

LegendHasIt on March 19, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Sorry. I left the thread. I thought he was fantastic. My GOP congressman is okay–Chabot in SW Ohio. Boehner’s to the north. I like the guy to the east, first-term named Wenstrup. He’s lying low, but he replaced Schmidt who couldn’t seem to do anything right.

Back to your guy. He needs to be on a non-confrontational, deliberative show, where you have time to respond. That rules out BOR who has only two-minute segments during which he does all the talking. It also rules out Hannity because all he wants to do is throw bombs and not solve problems. (I will concede that he did a good job of stoking the Rev. Wright connection when no one else would. Cowards.) He might make a good weekly guest on Greta. She can ask stupid questions for which the answers are obvious, but if he would answer correctly, he’d get attacked as a partisan. Rather than act clueless, Greta needs to conclude the segment saying, “Sounds to me as if he’s lying.” Beyond Greta, Gutfeld has had NM’s Gary Johnson on his Red-Eye show. Gutfeld has all types. I think he’d love Pearce because Gutfeld loves comes sense. The breath of fresh air might overwhelm everyone.

I’m an Ohioan who is very impressed with your guy. And that was a great story that you recounted.

BuckeyeSam on March 19, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Gowdy presses ICE director Morton on release of felon illegals and peculiar priorities of the agency.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/19/gowdy-presses-ice-director-morton-on-aggravated-felons-released/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

onlineanalyst on March 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Everyone ignores the one tactic that makes even border security moot. ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT. Take away the jobs, free education, free healthcare and social services and these people will leave on their own and will have zero incentive to test/violate our borders again.

voiceofreason

It is ignored for one very important reason: It will work. They’re not interested in a plan that will work.

xblade on March 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM

More overly emotional ranting on the illegal immigration issue. Well, call me when people run out of hot air.

WolvenOne on March 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Ron Paul and his son are colluding together to parlay Ron Paul’s political career into a family business. Rand Paul has just proven to one and all that his ambition to fulfill his father’s dream of the presidency is worth everything to him, including trampling the rule of law, and virtually insuring that there will always be a steady stream of cheap foreign labor to keep wages depressed in this nation.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Exactly. Rand Paul is as kooky as his father, which his embrace of shamnesty aptly demonstrates. He just hides his weirdness and willingness to do whatever is necessary to ascend the Presidency better than his father.

Slainte on March 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Wow, that was quick. Nice knowing you Rand. Is it possible that there’s drones that can zap you with a Stupid Ray?

sartana on March 19, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Saying mandatory E-verify would force businesses to be policemen is absurd. They already withhold taxes for the federal government, so by that “logic”, they already are policemen.

VorDaj on March 19, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I suppose Rand Paul would say that business men and women who do use E-Verify, and some do, are impersonating police officers, and isn’t that a crime?

VorDaj on March 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM

I still think he’s a loon.

Rusty Allen on March 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Now, Rand Paul is DESPERATELY trying to claim, on his website, that he DOES NOT SUPPORT AMNESTY, even though his plan calls for mass legalization of criminal aliens, which is AMNESTY.

Ridiculous.

Pork-Chop on March 19, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Ted Cruz on amnesty:

“I appreciate the good work that senators in both parties have put into trying to fix our broken immigration system. There are some good elements in this proposal, especially increasing the resources and manpower to secure our border and also improving and streamlining legal immigration. However, I have deep concerns with the proposed path to citizenship. To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally.”

fight like a girl on March 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Am I missing something? Doesn’t every employee have to give a social security number and fill out paperwork to start a job. The number comes back as fraudulent or stolen, the feds notify the employer and they fire the person. The illegal can’t get a job, they hopefully leave. It’s 2013, computers are amazing things-this isn’t rocket science.
We need to know who is in our borders and why they are here. It is a matter of national security because it’s only a matter of time before our lax borders/immigration policy is used against us.

hopeful on March 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM

O/T: I’m sorry, but where is the Boehner Hearts 0bama topic? That has been the rage on Twitter for quite some time.

Relevance is important.

DannoJyd on March 19, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Saying mandatory E-verify would force businesses to be policemen is absurd. They already withhold taxes for the federal government, so by that “logic”, they already are policemen.

VorDaj on March 19, 2013 at 5:25 PM

What Rand Paul is saying is that he is actually further to the stupid than Daddy is in that he wants no government at all. Imagine being told that if you answered the questions of a cop when you witnessed a crime that you were doing the job of the cops?

So, you saw the man pull the gun out?

I CAN’T ANSWER THAT, IT IS NOT MY JOB ACCORDING TO RAND PAUL!

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 5:47 PM

What happens when mexico closes its borders to incoming Mexicans returning home without paperwork?

can_con on March 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I hate it when anyone other than liberals (my new name for Rand Paul…not sure what he is, really) panders to illegal aliens. Is this just politics, just reality, or just a naked pander? I don’t know.

But instead of lashing out at him, as is my first instinct, I just want to remind everyone that America is dead. There is no other description for what the anti-American left has done to this greatest country. Kennedy’s outrageous 1965 immigration disaster has resulted in a fundamental shift in the electoral and demographic dynamics in the U.S.

And while tens of millions of Mexicans ran away from their kleptocratic, socialist backwater and illegally invaded this country, the hateful vermin of the Democrat party ran an anti-American propaganda campaign to assimilate them into the Coalition of Victims.

Sick.

Jaibones on March 19, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Rush’s proposal is a great one — “I’ll support legalization right now if we don’t give illegals the right to vote”. Great idea — it removes the politics from the Democraps’ policy. You’ll see right away that they don’t care about Mexicans, only about votes.

Jaibones on March 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM

so lets concede that we cant deport all of the illegals. that nothing will work. that they are here to stay. WE STILL DONT NEED TO MAKE THEM CITIZENS!!!!! why would we do that?? they offer absolutely nothing and are a drain. they wont stop sending money home if they are citizens, they’ll start sucking down more in welfare, etc if they are citizens. and the low wages they work for will be a thing of the past. meaning their employers will fire them and hire a bunch of new illegals that will work for low wages in substandard unsafe conditions.

chasdal on March 19, 2013 at 6:18 PM

I still like the PAPPY PLAN to restore fiscal sanity.

1. Seal the border.

2. 10% across the board spending CUTS every single year until we see bone in the Federal sow.

But since the Big Business owned Ruling class won’t agree to either how about we try the PAPPY PLAN 2.0?

PAPPY PLAN 2.0

1. Announce in 1 week all Illegals in the United States will be deported, and then do it. Round them up, spend $500 on a one way ticket to Mexico City and give them $100 to start their new life back in their homeland. This plan alone will probably save California from Bankruptcy and will turn Colorado and a couple of other “leaners” back to RED STATES.

One freaking week. Do it.

PappyD61 on March 19, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Rush’s proposal is a great one — “I’ll support legalization right now if we don’t give illegals the right to vote”. Great idea — it removes the politics from the Democraps’ policy. You’ll see right away that they don’t care about Mexicans, only about votes.

Jaibones on March 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM

I didn’t hear it, so I’m hesitant to respond. However, I believe you’re a credible commenter.

Something about that statement sounds incomplete by Rush’s standards. I’m use to him choosing his words and context very carefully. Is that word for word or are you paraphrasing?

Obviously, Rush wouldn’t support grants of citizenship without the right to vote so did he mean some other kind of “legalization”? His media tweaks are usually bombproof. This ain’t.

Saltysam on March 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

And another one bites,and another one bites, and another one bites the dust..If these illegal aliens are not deported it is amnesty.Rand Paul-you are in support of amnesty.You too,Rubio,and you too Jeb Bush.Round em up, ship em out!

redware on March 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Obviously, Rush wouldn’t support grants of citizenship without the right to vote so did he mean some other kind of “legalization”? His media tweaks are usually bombproof. This ain’t.

Saltysam on March 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Sure you can support citizenship without voting rights, and I would argue without gun rights too.
If you are an illegal that we make legal, you are listed similarly to a violent felon who is not allowed to own guns or vote.

astonerii on March 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM

When the Dems lose a major election at least they did not adopt a strategy of becoming Republicans.

Republican “leaders” need to cut to the chase and rename the damn party, the “Democrat-Wannabes” already, and that GOP now officially stands for “Gutless Old Panderer’s”.

The leaders of the Democrat party’s *new* center-left wing are peeing all over themselves trying to out-pander the old-school leftist Democrats (as-if), and expect the rank-and-file the party formerly known as “Republican” to slather on the lip-balm and bow down and begin servicing our new masters, the almighty “Latino vote”.

With this, the final stage of the Republican party is set.

“Path to citizenship” = “Superhighway to Leftist-Democrat hegemony”…

Looking to the future, my prediction of one thing that will happen under the coming Left-Dem oligarchy:

The 2nd Amendment will be repealed within 20 years.

DrDeano on March 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM

As much as I hate to admit it, deportation of all illegals is no long viable. The people to blame are politicians from a the previous decades who’ve allowed this to become a problem. Something should have been done in Bush’s first term.

Some Ideas
*Anyone that immigrated illegally to this country is not eligible to vote for life.
*Anyone that immigrated illegally to this country is not eligible for any government benefits for life.
*We should assimilate all immigrates into American culture, Americans shouldn’t have to assimilate into someone elses culture.
*The borders should be secured.
*Anyone that immigrated illegally and is granted a work visa that is arrested for any reason will faces automatic deportation.

As it is, Democrats have no goal to protect the border. Reagan’s biggest mistake was falling into the amnesty trap in 1986. Rubio, Paul, and many others are close to doing the same thing.

midgeorgian on March 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

midgeorgian on March 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

i would just keep it simple.

the border must be secure first. then talk about all the other crap.

renalin on March 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM

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