Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on March 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Today, tea party favorite Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., became the latest prominent Republican to confuse the immigration conversation by avoiding specific language on citizenship — perhaps by design.

Paul lent his growing political weight to the issue with a speech widely interpreted as endorsing a pathway to citizenship. But he did so without making clear what that path would look like, or by even using the words “citizen” or “citizenship” – and of course steering far clear of any hint of a word like “amnesty.”…

“They’re really trying to find the sweet spot. It’s hard for them – they’ve moved a huge distance in a short time,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of the pro-reform group America’s Voice, which has frequently criticized lawmakers for standing in the way of a path to citizenship.

“Republicans are trying to find a place where they’re pro-Latino, but not attacked from the right. It’s a hard place to find,” Sharry said.

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The Associated Press is standing by its report that Sen. Rand Paul intended to back a path to citizenship in his speech Tuesday to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, despite the fact that he did not do so, and despite claims from advisers that the AP’s story is wrong.

“AP stands by its story. In a copy of his prepared speech given to AP by his office Monday night, Sen. Paul made clear that illegal immigrants would have a path towards probationary legal status and then towards a green card, which allows people to eventually apply to become U.S. citizens,” Washington Bureau Chief Sally Buzbee said in a statement sent to POLITICO.

“In the speech he delivered Tuesday, he omitted that point,” she continued. “After the speech, however, Paul again confirmed, while speaking to reporters, that under his plan, illegal immigrants would ultimately be able to apply for citizenship after a long and complex process.”

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Senator Rand Paul clarified today that he was not opposed to an eventual pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

“The immigration debate has been trapped and it’s been polarized by two terms: ‘path to citizenship’ and ‘amnesty,’” Paul told reporters in a conference call this afternoon. “So everybody who doesn’t want anything to move forward calls every proposal that somebody else wants ‘pathway to citizenship’ or ‘you’re granting amnesty.’ Can’t we have reform and just not call them by names that discourage the progress from going forward?”…

Paul was uneasy with the idea of harsh financial penalties for illegal immigrants. “If you had to pay back all your back payroll taxes and you’ve been working here for ten years, that would be thousands and thousands of dollars . . . so to get your work visa, I wouldn’t have any kind of big penalty like that,” he remarked. “If you’re going to get in the other line for citizenship, if they’re going to make it real easy, like you get right into the green-card line, then maybe you have to have pay penalties.”

Instead, Paul would prefer that penalty “be just the slowness to the process, not the money, because I think it would be prohibitive for a lot of people to come up with a large fine.”

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Senator Paul doesn’t like the language used to describe amnesty…

This is hilarious. “Path to citizenship” is itself a euphemism, one of many dreamed up to avoid the A-word, in the wake of focus groups conducted in 2001 by the National Council of La Raza to advise the Mexican government on how to push amnesty. The fact that they need to keep dreaming up new euphemisms once everyone understands what the old ones stand for should be a sign that the underlying policy is the problem, not the labels attached to it.

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As a rule (generalizations are always dangerous) paleoconservatives tend to be populist and protectionist (think Pat Buchanan). They worry a lot about immigration and stress border security. Conversely, libertarians tend to be less nationalistic, instead viewing themselves as citizens of the world.

As advocates of free markets and trade, libertarians tend to believe immigration laws should “match the reality of a dynamic society and labor market.”

Based on today’s news — on the immigration issue, at least — it’s clear Paul’s libertarian side won out.

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The key elements of Rand Paul’s immigration plan: a) securing the border, b) expanded high-skill, entrepreneur visas with total numbers determined by a bipartisan panel, c) no national ID card or mandatory E-Verify, and d) a route to legalization for illegal immigrants.

I guess that last point is particularly controversial because of Paul’s Tea Party support. But what really struck me is that aside from rejecting both the national ID card “forcing businesses to become policemen,” the Paul plan doesn’t seem to be very libertarian. While he wants more immigration, his path to legalization is more restrictionist than Marco Rubio’s path to citizenship for illegals…

Paul’s outspoken libertarian beliefs are really what make him interesting as a national political figure. His immigration plan seems like a missed opportunity to advance the argument.

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Worse, unlike the Gang of Ocho amnesty plan endorsed by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., Paul would force Republicans to play the role border-security-bad-guys every year. The Washington Examiner‘s Byron York reports, “Under his proposal, the border would have to be verified secure by some government agency and then — this is a key step for Paul — voted on by Congress on a yearly basis.”

You don’t have to be a genius to figure out how this would turn out. Every year a majority of Republicans would vote to say the border was not secure and those who came to the country illegally should not continue down the path to citizenship. And every year every Democrat and a minority of Republicans would vote the opposite, allowing those who came illegally to advance down that path… until of course they are all sworn in as Democratic voters.

Paul’s plan would do nothing to endear the Republican party to immigrant communities, would do nothing to secure the border, and would only incentivize new waves of illegal immigrants to come to the U.S. and wait for their special, one-time-only “path to citizenship.”

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In his speech, Paul made the now-standard case for more border security and a pathway to citizenship for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants: “If you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you.” He also made the well-worn argument that Republicans are permanent losers if they don’t win more Hispanic votes. Like others, he sees Hispanics as natural Republicans but for the immigration issue.

But all of the polling data suggest otherwise. The Pew Research Center notes, “Latinos have often been characterized as more socially conservative than most Americans. On some issues, such as abortion, that’s true. But on others, such as acceptance of homosexuality, it is not. When it comes to their own assessments of their political views, Latinos, more so than the general public, say their views are liberal.” It’s telling that when asked if they backed President Obama’s position that “health insurance organizations should be required to cover contraception,” 68 percent of Hispanics said yes; only 11 percent said no…

It’s true that George W. Bush did well with Hispanics and maybe — maybe — the Republicans can get some of that mojo back even as they still ignore Bush himself. But Hispanics are younger and bluer than they were in 2000. Younger Cuban-Americans are trending Democratic. It’s not at all clear Bush would do as well today. After all, Ronald Reagan passed immigration reform and no benefit accrued to Republicans. John McCain was the author of immigration reform and he only got 31 percent of Hispanics compared to Mitt Romney’s 27 percent. It’s true that new polling shows Hispanics say they’re more likely to be open to pro-pathway candidates. Still, maybe Paul will become a Hispanic icon. But that seems as likely as a run on Spanish editions of Atlas Shrugged.

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thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Was lucky to see the entire performance by the Leningrad Ballet, yes back then, when it was Leningrad. It was magic. The dancers were so good that while 12-14 lined up deep, the viewers could see just one…not a mm standing out. They were incredible and, of course, the music is superb.

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Cruz, maybe?

profitsbeard on March 20, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Bears watching… Time will tell I suppose.

Are there any American politicians left who believe in the Law, the Constitution, securing the border, our culture and basic sanity?

Doesn’t seem to be any longer… Le Sigh

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM

bluefox on March 20, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Hey, I wanted to answer your question from the other day. I am not a SP hater. Not the biggest fan, but not a hater. My interactions with Bluegill have little to do with politics.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 12:52 AM

It just seemed odd to me that the fish expresses constant hatred toward Palin and I’ve never seen any comment from you defending Palin. Just an observation:-)

bluefox on March 20, 2013 at 1:08 AM

bluefox on March 20, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Rusty is working some kind of ‘magic’ I believe on the gilled one.

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:09 AM

The Fool in Chief

Btw, the eighth Marine died tonight.

Obama and Reid are disgusting.

These men die, so that these fools can be free to be such idiots.

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:11 AM

jackie, chrissy and all.

Adios: vaya con dios.

difficult times and unable to contribute much tonite.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on March 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:06 AM

What a wonderful experience. How fortunate you are to have seen them. I’ve been fortunate enough to attend some very good performances, but not nearly so often as I’d wish.

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

bluefox on March 20, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Thank you Bluefox!! God Bless and sweet dreams!

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Thanks Scrumpy, you too!!

bluefox on March 20, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Oh I am sad to hear that.

What an ass reid is…to blame the sequester on their deaths…

That man is dispicable… a pox on him…

*spit*

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Rusty is working some kind of ‘magic’ I believe on the gilled one.

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Rusty is engaging in an exercise in futility, IMO. Nice, commendable effort though.

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:13 AM

jrsrigmvr on March 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Goodnight, Fred. I hope the problems are resolved swiftly. See you soon. :)

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:14 AM

jrsrigmvr on March 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Good night Fred and God Bless!!

will say a prayer for you :-)

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Good night Fred.

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:14 AM

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:13 AM

It’s somthing, he is pleased to do so…

I have tried and am ignored…the gilled one doesn’t take to kindness it seems…

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:11 AM

I agree..Whale dung is not low enough..:(

Dire Straits on March 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Indeed.

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Rusty is engaging in an exercise in futility, IMO. Nice, commendable effort though.

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:13 AM

You have to admire it. Not just anyone could do it. It takes its own kind of . . . crazy.

Axe on March 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

To be clearer, not in Leningrad. They were aloud to go to the West, of course heavily guarded.

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

jrsrigmvr on March 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Thinking of you Fred. May all get better soon.

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Yes. That iron fist never wandered far from such talent as theirs. They were a priceless asset.

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:18 AM

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:13 AM

For all the gilled ones’ ‘lecturing’ it doesn’t make sense, she/he talks to us as tho we are errant children in need of admonishing.

I don’t care to interact with him/her any more, not that I did that much anyway.

It’s rather depressing to see the gilled one act the way he/she does.

I don’t think he’she knows it has issues… serious ones…

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:18 AM

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

I think we have made a step n the process..We have been able to “debate” a tough subject (Illegal immigration) without name calling and grenade throwing..That is a small win..:):)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2013 at 1:18 AM

I have tried and am ignored…the gilled one doesn’t take to kindness it seems…

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Me too. Ignored is the correct term. It’s like water on a duck’s back.

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:19 AM

jrsrigmvr on March 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Hang in there..:)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Dire Straits on March 20, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Yes. I noticed that, too. I agree… a small win. :)

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:20 AM

bluefox on March 20, 2013 at 1:08 AM

I have expressed my appreciation for what I feel to be her strengths.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:22 AM

Prelude Opus No. 6 B minor- Chopin

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Sorry Opus 28 no. 6 b minor

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Doh! Must to the lab to fix this unfixed brokenness.

Everyone walks; life is moving. And everyone is blown by the wind, saint and sinner alike. The storms come to everyone. But you can do all this in the dark or in the light — so live in the light.

That’ll be $22.

*poof*

Axe on March 20, 2013 at 1:26 AM

I have expressed my appreciation for what I feel to be her strengths.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:22 AM

*unpoof*

lol

*repoof*

Axe on March 20, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Axe on March 20, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Good Night Axe!!

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Scrumpy.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Romance – Liszt

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Axe says:

But you can do all this in the dark or in the light — so live in the light.

So Live in the Light

I am gonna write a poem using that line… for tomorrow…

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Yes Rusty!

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Axe on March 20, 2013 at 1:26 AM

“keep yourself where the light is” :)

Goodnight, Axefellow. Sleep well. See you soon. :)

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Oh thank goodness, you’re still here.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Axe on March 20, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Enjoyed it Axe..:)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Good night Axe!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Mexico

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Maybe not

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Maybe not

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Haven’t seen a swoosh yet. :-)

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Must me looking for pictures of me.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:31 AM

I don’t leave without saying goodnight, unless my pc or the ‘net goes on the fritz!

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Haven’t seen a swoosh yet. :-)

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:37 AM

See!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Just where is Sparky?

Out flying the Airship Kerfuffle, oh I know where he is, cruising around in his new cruiser!!

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:38 AM

He tuned up your broom. He might have tinkered with the airship too.

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:40 AM

This is a cool place.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:41 AM

It is very cool…

We can talk about issues and then we can have fun and let go, qotd is the best place to be of an evening…

It’s so relaxing…

Filled with many good folk…

We are blessed to know one another :-)

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:44 AM

This is a cool place.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Yes it is. Nice to be part of what makes it cool, isn’t it?

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:38 AM

If you see him give him many xoxoxox’s

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 1:46 AM

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:40 AM

And how!! I never flew so fast!

I have to throttle back and try and slow it down!

Wanna try!?

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Good night Jackie!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:46 AM

We can be serious and nonsensical and whimsical…

Anonymous yeah, but personalities shine thru!!

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Axe on March 20, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Sir I’m going to cite you with poofing without a license. Every time I get on here you poof away without due warning.

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 1:47 AM

And how!! I never flew so fast!

I have to throttle back and try and slow it down!

Wanna try!?

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:46 AM

I only have my learner’s permit, so you have to go too.

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Chrissy, and Ken. Two badass peeps.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Anonymous sources have just confirmed that there anonymity is protected.

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Could get a little um scary!

I am kinda crazy zooming around so best wear a helmet and hold on tight!

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

their

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

thatsafactjack on March 20, 2013 at 1:44 AM

The best!

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:47 AM

She is too cool. And she has this badass accent! Whoa!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

And there he is!! Good Morning Sparky!! How are you?

Ken and I are gonna go for a broom ride ;-)

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:50 AM

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

You keep us somewhat sane Sparkey.

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Hold on tight? Um, OK!!!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Hey what are all these chem-trails all over the place?

Looks like broom tracks in the sky to me. Better call George Noorey.

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Here we go Ken!!

*SWOOSH*

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Here we go Ken!!

*SWOOSH*

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:52 AM

Accent?

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Breathe..Just Breathe…..

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Anonymous sources have just reported that all other anonymous sources are cowards for not coming forth.

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Yup.

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Ask Sparky.

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:55 AM

Dang.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:55 AM

*swoosh*

Wow that was fun! You ok Ken?

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:55 AM

I heard a rumor that the rumor mill is shutting down due to a labor dispute.

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 1:56 AM

Sparky knows?

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM

I say deport 12 million illegals. Plus all Muslims. Seriously, how is this difficult? Why are we even having this conversation? Oh yeah, and eff libs. Paradrop all of those pretentious idiotic weasels into SA. Then all of us back here can place bets on how long their heads stay attached to their bodies. That could be both fun, and profitable.

WhatSlushfund on March 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM

swoosh*

Wow that was fun! You ok Ken?

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 1:55 AM

That third loop was awesome!!! Lotta speed wobbles. Sparky has this thing wound up tighter than Dick’s hatband. BTW, Rusty wants to know about your accent…

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:58 AM

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Rather british and posh sounding…

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 2:00 AM

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Yeah I like doing loops… so exhilarating!!

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 2:00 AM

On this thread (link follows) the commenter wren listed all Senators that are up for election in 2014. I posted the U.S. House & U.S. Senate, phone & fax numbers.

Link for the info mentioned above:http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/19/gop-senators-warn-gang-of-eight-dont-try-to-ram-your-bill-through-without-extensive-floor-deliberation/
….

I’m sure you will have some contructive ideas as well and I’d love to hear them. I intend to be active in this and need all of the ideas I can get, LOL
Wishing all a great evening!!

bluefox on March 20, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Now that is the kind of resource sharing teamwork we need to see more of in the conservative blogosphere!

Thank you for spreading this information, Bluefox! You made my day when I stumbled upon this comment!

wren on March 20, 2013 at 2:01 AM

Sparky knows?

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM

Sparky has obscene security clearance. He knows everything.

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:01 AM

Her accent sounds like a sex kitten.

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 2:02 AM

WhatSlushfund on March 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM

Hi! Are you new?

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:03 AM

I don’t know what to say.

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 2:03 AM

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:01 AM

Well lets just say I have a certain amount of surveillance equipment aboard the Airship Kerfuffle left over from the cold war. (:

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 2:03 AM

So Live in the Light
It takes strength and might
With God on our side
We can all abide
Within His open arms

With faith and love
From heaven above
Our souls we save
It isn’t so brave
Within His open arms

Angels on our shoulders
Make us so much bolder
To do the right thing
To Him, us they bring
Within His open arms

So let us pray
Each and every day
To save lost souls
It is our goal
Held within His loving arms…

Dedicated especially to Axe… For giving me the line…

And to all of you here {hugs}

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 2:04 AM

Schads brain emits a lot of energy. He could cook an egg with that thing.

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 2:05 AM

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 2:04 AM

you did that during a broom ride? You have mad skillz!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:06 AM

And with that, I bid thee all a sweet good night!

God Bless :-)

Ringo Star: Good Night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EoQVaQGXmM

*SWOOSH*

Scrumpy on March 20, 2013 at 2:08 AM

Good night Chrissy! I loved hanging out with you!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:08 AM

WhatSlushfund on March 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM

Hi! Are you new?

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Hi. I think I’ve been around here for a year or so, maybe a bit more. I usually post in the gun threads, but I just felt that I had to vent when I read the quotes.

WhatSlushfund on March 20, 2013 at 2:08 AM

Schads brain emits a lot of energy. He could cook an egg with that thing.

SparkPlug on March 20, 2013 at 2:05 AM

True!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:09 AM

There was a time, in elementary school, when they graded a person on ‘citizenship’.

I think our political class needs to spend some time with an old fashioned elementary school marm and learn what CITIZENSHIP means.

There was time when high school students were required to take a class in CIVICS, to prepare to be a good citizen as an adult.

I think out political class should be required to take an old fashioned civics course.

In high school, GOVERNMENT class was required to graduate and was used to inform the students on the purpose, scope, and mandates under the constitution of our government.

I think our political class should be required to take a good, old fashioned, Government class, since clearly they don’t understand the scope, purpose, and mandates under the constitution of our government.

Finally, we, the electorate, should remind our political class that this nation doesn’t belong solely to them. It belongs to all citizens of this nation and the political class is not entitled to decide who get’s to be here and who doesn’t based on what is expedient for them. WE… the people… have the authority and the right to determine who we allow to remain in our nation. The political class are PUBLIC SERVANTS… they are OUR servants.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Bravo, Thatsafactjack!!! Well said!

Keep singing that tune!

wren on March 20, 2013 at 2:11 AM

Hi. I think I’ve been around here for a year or so, maybe a bit more. I usually post in the gun threads, but I just felt that I had to vent when I read the quotes.

WhatSlushfund on March 20, 2013 at 2:08 AM

Not trying to pick a fight, but many American citizens are Muslim. You know we can’t just deport them?

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM

The funny thing is…

… is that the actual numbers of illegal aliens, or future Democrat voters if you will, is closer to 45 to 50 million.

(surprised?)

I live in California, and we have around 9 million alone here, most on some sort of public assistance, by design…

… Those types of numbers, with an uniformed and under educated population, would change the demographics of this nation until it collapses.

What you are seeing in the “polls” is a lie…

… If you doubt me, then let’s have a vote, why we still can.

Seven Percent Solution on March 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM

Good night HA!

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:30 AM

Not trying to pick a fight, but many American citizens are Muslim. You know we can’t just deport them?

KCB on March 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM

That’s ok. I don’t take it as you picking a fight.
The point that you are raising is an important one. I mean, we’re kind of getting on a tangent here, but…
Our laws need to be rewritten so that Muslims are classed into a different category. It is a matter of survival. All Muslims believe in our total destruction. Never mind what our government says. Our government is lying to us. ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN OUR DESTRUCTION. It is a FACT.

We may not even need to alter the laws all that much. Section 2385 of the federal criminal code states that

“whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government…shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.”

I ask you, does that not apply to Muslims? It sure sounds like it to me.

But obviously we can’t afford to imprison every Muslim for 20 years. So we may have to modify it a bit to include deportation. Even US citizens, if they are guilty of sedition, are beholden to the law.

WhatSlushfund on March 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM

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