Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on March 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Today, tea party favorite Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., became the latest prominent Republican to confuse the immigration conversation by avoiding specific language on citizenship — perhaps by design.

Paul lent his growing political weight to the issue with a speech widely interpreted as endorsing a pathway to citizenship. But he did so without making clear what that path would look like, or by even using the words “citizen” or “citizenship” – and of course steering far clear of any hint of a word like “amnesty.”…

“They’re really trying to find the sweet spot. It’s hard for them – they’ve moved a huge distance in a short time,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of the pro-reform group America’s Voice, which has frequently criticized lawmakers for standing in the way of a path to citizenship.

“Republicans are trying to find a place where they’re pro-Latino, but not attacked from the right. It’s a hard place to find,” Sharry said.

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The Associated Press is standing by its report that Sen. Rand Paul intended to back a path to citizenship in his speech Tuesday to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, despite the fact that he did not do so, and despite claims from advisers that the AP’s story is wrong.

“AP stands by its story. In a copy of his prepared speech given to AP by his office Monday night, Sen. Paul made clear that illegal immigrants would have a path towards probationary legal status and then towards a green card, which allows people to eventually apply to become U.S. citizens,” Washington Bureau Chief Sally Buzbee said in a statement sent to POLITICO.

“In the speech he delivered Tuesday, he omitted that point,” she continued. “After the speech, however, Paul again confirmed, while speaking to reporters, that under his plan, illegal immigrants would ultimately be able to apply for citizenship after a long and complex process.”

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Senator Rand Paul clarified today that he was not opposed to an eventual pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

“The immigration debate has been trapped and it’s been polarized by two terms: ‘path to citizenship’ and ‘amnesty,’” Paul told reporters in a conference call this afternoon. “So everybody who doesn’t want anything to move forward calls every proposal that somebody else wants ‘pathway to citizenship’ or ‘you’re granting amnesty.’ Can’t we have reform and just not call them by names that discourage the progress from going forward?”…

Paul was uneasy with the idea of harsh financial penalties for illegal immigrants. “If you had to pay back all your back payroll taxes and you’ve been working here for ten years, that would be thousands and thousands of dollars . . . so to get your work visa, I wouldn’t have any kind of big penalty like that,” he remarked. “If you’re going to get in the other line for citizenship, if they’re going to make it real easy, like you get right into the green-card line, then maybe you have to have pay penalties.”

Instead, Paul would prefer that penalty “be just the slowness to the process, not the money, because I think it would be prohibitive for a lot of people to come up with a large fine.”

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Senator Paul doesn’t like the language used to describe amnesty…

This is hilarious. “Path to citizenship” is itself a euphemism, one of many dreamed up to avoid the A-word, in the wake of focus groups conducted in 2001 by the National Council of La Raza to advise the Mexican government on how to push amnesty. The fact that they need to keep dreaming up new euphemisms once everyone understands what the old ones stand for should be a sign that the underlying policy is the problem, not the labels attached to it.

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As a rule (generalizations are always dangerous) paleoconservatives tend to be populist and protectionist (think Pat Buchanan). They worry a lot about immigration and stress border security. Conversely, libertarians tend to be less nationalistic, instead viewing themselves as citizens of the world.

As advocates of free markets and trade, libertarians tend to believe immigration laws should “match the reality of a dynamic society and labor market.”

Based on today’s news — on the immigration issue, at least — it’s clear Paul’s libertarian side won out.

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The key elements of Rand Paul’s immigration plan: a) securing the border, b) expanded high-skill, entrepreneur visas with total numbers determined by a bipartisan panel, c) no national ID card or mandatory E-Verify, and d) a route to legalization for illegal immigrants.

I guess that last point is particularly controversial because of Paul’s Tea Party support. But what really struck me is that aside from rejecting both the national ID card “forcing businesses to become policemen,” the Paul plan doesn’t seem to be very libertarian. While he wants more immigration, his path to legalization is more restrictionist than Marco Rubio’s path to citizenship for illegals…

Paul’s outspoken libertarian beliefs are really what make him interesting as a national political figure. His immigration plan seems like a missed opportunity to advance the argument.

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Worse, unlike the Gang of Ocho amnesty plan endorsed by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., Paul would force Republicans to play the role border-security-bad-guys every year. The Washington Examiner‘s Byron York reports, “Under his proposal, the border would have to be verified secure by some government agency and then — this is a key step for Paul — voted on by Congress on a yearly basis.”

You don’t have to be a genius to figure out how this would turn out. Every year a majority of Republicans would vote to say the border was not secure and those who came to the country illegally should not continue down the path to citizenship. And every year every Democrat and a minority of Republicans would vote the opposite, allowing those who came illegally to advance down that path… until of course they are all sworn in as Democratic voters.

Paul’s plan would do nothing to endear the Republican party to immigrant communities, would do nothing to secure the border, and would only incentivize new waves of illegal immigrants to come to the U.S. and wait for their special, one-time-only “path to citizenship.”

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In his speech, Paul made the now-standard case for more border security and a pathway to citizenship for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants: “If you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you.” He also made the well-worn argument that Republicans are permanent losers if they don’t win more Hispanic votes. Like others, he sees Hispanics as natural Republicans but for the immigration issue.

But all of the polling data suggest otherwise. The Pew Research Center notes, “Latinos have often been characterized as more socially conservative than most Americans. On some issues, such as abortion, that’s true. But on others, such as acceptance of homosexuality, it is not. When it comes to their own assessments of their political views, Latinos, more so than the general public, say their views are liberal.” It’s telling that when asked if they backed President Obama’s position that “health insurance organizations should be required to cover contraception,” 68 percent of Hispanics said yes; only 11 percent said no…

It’s true that George W. Bush did well with Hispanics and maybe — maybe — the Republicans can get some of that mojo back even as they still ignore Bush himself. But Hispanics are younger and bluer than they were in 2000. Younger Cuban-Americans are trending Democratic. It’s not at all clear Bush would do as well today. After all, Ronald Reagan passed immigration reform and no benefit accrued to Republicans. John McCain was the author of immigration reform and he only got 31 percent of Hispanics compared to Mitt Romney’s 27 percent. It’s true that new polling shows Hispanics say they’re more likely to be open to pro-pathway candidates. Still, maybe Paul will become a Hispanic icon. But that seems as likely as a run on Spanish editions of Atlas Shrugged.

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Oh, yeah, SENATOR Boxer, that’ll work. The Democrats hold the White House and the Senate……..

flataffect on May 14, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Please don’t inject reality into this.

tgharris on May 14, 2013 at 10:50 PM

There are 3 cities on the Libyian coast with airports of note. Benghazi is one of them, easternmost. If you were flying in weapons heading east,, what would you pick? Tripoli is all the way west. 120 miles or so from Tunisia.

Stevens had dinner that night with who?

They were running guns, folks.

Security was kept low as to not draw attention.

wolly4321 on May 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

You’ll have to pardon Babs Boxer. Just like Pelosi, Botox is taking it’s toll.

GarandFan on May 14, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Sen. Boxer’s latest take on Benghazi: “Mirror, mirror, who cut the funding for diplomatic security”?

“There is no distinctly American criminal class – except Congress.” – Mark Twain

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 14, 2013 at 10:59 PM

wolly4321 on May 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

And what is your point?

Such a fact would work to excuse the lies and put the exposure on CIA.

Helps Hillary and POTUS.

No?

IlikedAUH2O on May 14, 2013 at 10:59 PM

I detested the dumb remark about Sandra Fluke during the last campaign.

If Rushbo wants to call a woman a derogatory name….just lookie here.

IlikedAUH2O on May 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM

holy fluck you are an idiot.

tom daschle concerned on May 14, 2013 at 11:06 PM

What the hell is she wearing? She looks like she’s about to lead a Jazzercise class.

And she’s an idiot.

LASue on May 14, 2013 at 11:12 PM

You really don’t get it, do you?

No, it doesn’t help them. How would it?

CIA? Yea,. They are all complicit and shifting blame in a shell game.

Jihad is legitimate as a tenet of islam? Who said that?

These gubmint agencies may be fighting each other in the aftermath, but they started out in concert with each other. when it falls apart they isolate and blame each other.

Look at f&f. Same thing. Blame game.

wolly4321 on May 14, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Lies, bullshxt, lies, distractions, lies, propaganda, lies, Boxer, and lies.

Kenosha Kid on May 14, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Where’s a fire hose when you need it?

RobertMN on May 14, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Low information voters will hear her and believe her, and repeat it ad nauseum. That’s why the democrats lie perpetually even after the truth comes out. They know the lies will be long-lived, because the media supports the lies and ignores the truth.

The Rogue Tomato on May 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Barbara Boxer would be the dumbest person in the Senate, but she’s been bumped back by Patty Murray, Klochubar, and Babs Mikulski. Between the four of them, if brains were beans, they don’t have enough to make a bee fart.

Clearly funding wasn’t the issue, and just as clearly Boxer and Democrats are desperate to derail the investigation because of what it is certain to turn up. Because if the mountains of paper and dozens of witnesses Obama is blocking Congress from seeing were in any way helpful to him, or proved he was telling the truth, they would already be out.

Adjoran on May 15, 2013 at 12:03 AM

TDC- yep.

wolly4321 on May 15, 2013 at 12:12 AM

I detested the dumb remark about Sandra Fluke during the last campaign.

If Rushbo wants to call a woman a derogatory name….just lookie here.

IlikedAUH2O on May 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM

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The only mistake ( maybe ) he made is not inquiring whether Ms Fluke was campaigning for herself, as well as others.

If she was including herself in the number of “needy” college girls, then the shoe F I T !
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Conservative radio talk-show hosts should have no boundaries on them for using legitimate words in common usage, whether others deem it to be too vulgar or not.

listens2glenn on May 15, 2013 at 12:28 AM

..what an absolutely horrid piece of of flesh this creature is; a festering pile of pig afterbirth decaying in the 103 degree afternoon Barstow sun is more appealing than she. A rancid, fetid mound of cow diarrhea attracts a smaller swarm of flies than she. Reminds me of a dumpster full of used Kotexes, she does..

..I want to vomit.

The War Planner on May 15, 2013 at 12:37 AM

listens2glenn on May 15, 2013 at 12:28 AM

OK. Calling a law student a “slut” during a presidential campaign in front of 20 million listeners must make sense to some people but I am sure not one of them.

She wanted freebies. I really didn’t care about her sex habits and using that term just generated a lot of heat and very little light on the real subject.

IlikedAUH2O on May 15, 2013 at 12:48 AM

The Rogue Tomato on May 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Bingo! Yep, MSNBC and the rest have a new video and needn’t worry about any truth in it.

IlikedAUH2O on May 15, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Stevens had dinner that night with who?

They were running guns, folks.

Security was kept low as to not draw attention.

wolly4321 on May 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Turkish embassy person.

And our people ask for more security and the high and mighty decline it, over and over.

Still makes no sense.

IlikedAUH2O on May 15, 2013 at 12:57 AM

About Boxer: I didn’t know that donkey squeeze could talk.

hamradio on May 15, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Every now and then, Babs (Oops, that’s Sen. Babs) has to demonstrate to the world how truly stupid she is.
Today she did just that.

Another Drew on May 15, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Oh, Babs will go down with the ship. She’s a fanatic.

mojo on May 15, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Pathetic.

Delusional.

Democrat tool.

profitsbeard on May 15, 2013 at 2:34 AM

Shameless stupidity. And a reflection on her seriousness as a Senator.

pat on May 15, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Charlene Lamb testified in sworn testimony to Congress that budget was not a factor in cutting the security arrangements in Libya. She said it was a policy decision to go with a “lighter footprint” in a “laughably naive notion that if we were weak enough, nobody would see us as a threat so they wouldn’t attack us”. Ok, maybe I made up the “laughably naive” part, but the rest of it is true.

Boxer is, as usual, being dishonest.

crosspatch on May 15, 2013 at 4:18 AM

The Benghazi embassy was intentionally left to fly in the wind and everyone who is paying attention recognizes this. Boxer’s screeching is but the sound of nothing but stupid usery and I’d bet she knows this herself.

Whether it was a Hillary-plan or an Obama one handed down by indirect suggestions or direct nastiness on the lawn or across the street from the WH in that Islam-associated coffee shop, it was certainly an intentional act to reduce-deny security protections to that embassy location — or to the staff associated with the place (either/or, personnel or location, “what does it matter”).

Lourdes on May 15, 2013 at 4:35 AM

If the only way to get this jackass out of the Senate is to give California back to Mehico, I say “Let’s do it!”

olesparkie on May 15, 2013 at 6:03 AM

There are many worthy nominees for absolute dumbest member of Congress (both houses), but Boxer seems to always find a way to justify her perpetual inclusion on that list.

If want to know why California will sink into the Pacific long before any earthquake forces the issue, look no further than who they keep electing: Queen Pelosi, Gov Moonbeam, their entire state legislature, and yes, Barbara Boxer.

NeoCon_1 on May 15, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Barbara,

Let’s say for a minute that you are correct and that it is completely the GOP’s fault that there was less money for diplomatic security at the time of the Benghazi fiasco.

Now, explain how that results in the GOP being responsible for the Obama administration ignoring warnings of possible terrorist attacks in Egypt.

Next explain how the lack of funding caused the Obama administration to purposefully lie about the cause of the Benghazi attack and use the full weight of the U.S. Gov’t to go after someone for exerting his first amendment rights in making a video?

You see Babs, even assuming that your idiotic first claim is true, it doesn’t absolve Obama for incompetence and dishonesty.

Monkeytoe on May 15, 2013 at 7:32 AM

Point to Schumer, since he’s in charge of messaging. I can’t believe the Democrats are going here, but then this isn’t for normal people, this is for the low information voter.

bflat879 on May 15, 2013 at 7:52 AM

Another glowing example of the wisdom found in California politics!

Pardonme on May 15, 2013 at 7:56 AM

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”

I bet he’s a Republican HACK! Investigate his political contributions!

/libstupidity (let’s!)

Axeman on May 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM

What difference does it make who cut security–whether it was Republicans and their voodoo cuts in the unpassed Ryan budget or some guys out for a walk one night who decided to cut security for the Libyan consulate.

Axeman on May 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM

As I said the first time they tried this: Democrats had claimed that the only reason that cons don’t like big government is that they can’t manage it like libs can. But now they say that without as much funding as they can theorize, they can’t allocate a minimum level of security for one of the hottest embassies on the planet.

Cutting funding is bad. Cutting funding is bad….the first word on Obamacare was to “bend the cost curve downward”. We were spending “too much” (for an aging populace?) on medical care.

Axeman on May 15, 2013 at 8:17 AM

The “repubs cut funding” must have gone out on journolist, or the super-double-secret meetings, or Valerie’s texts, or whatever. I’ve seen them trying that one quite a bit lately.

Boudica on May 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM

It was already stated by state that funding had no role. Running lies is bad enough. How stupid do you have to be to run a lie that the administration had debunked. Really really stupid Senator.

scboy on May 15, 2013 at 8:47 AM

lipstick on a hag…still a hag…a hag in a pantsuit

crosshugger on May 15, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Of all the scandals we get to choose from lately, it seems like Benghazi is the one they are freaking out about the most, and trying to act like they really don’t care about it. “No big deal, just rethuglicans hyper-partisan hysteria, move along…” But really, this is the one they are peeing their pants(suits) over.

Boudica on May 15, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Senile ‘ol biddy. I cannot believe Cali re-elected her. What a bunch of goofs out there.

jake49 on May 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Gee, another bad case of plastic face. Her face is as phony as the rest of her.

{^_^}

herself on May 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Barbara Boxer should thank her lucky stars for Maxine Waters, the only person keeping her from being the stupidest member of Congress.

Tyrone Slothrop on May 15, 2013 at 10:42 AM

It would be so worth going to jail for punching this woman in the face, but alas, I won’t. I wish North Korea would nuke California off the map.

F_This on May 15, 2013 at 12:42 PM

This is so F’in dumb. Even IF you grant that budget cuts could scale back security at some State Dept facilities abroad, is it even REMOTELY thinkable that we’d start with… say, I don’t know… oh, I know, facilities in a country that just had a civil war ?

Come on already. Are you really THAT dumb ? Or do you just think THAT little of the people of this country that this idea wasn’t dismissed immediately.

Give me a break.

So even IF budget cuts were a factor, wouldn’t that STILL lay at the feet of the incompetent members of the Obama administration that, faced with budget cuts for security, thought Benghazi and Libya were the places to save money ?

deadrody on May 15, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Barbara Boxer is part of the reason California is filled to the brim with unemployed illegal transient/migrant people from other places.

If the government weren’t spending so much money on GREEN ENERGY scams and filling the coffers of corrupt politicians it WOULD have enough money to fund the government departments that should be funded…i.e. like our military.

President Obama and his minions have been VERY,VERY bad boyz and gurlz…..They don’t just LIE, they believe their lies, they spread their lies and their lies have bankrupted our future and killed many in their path….AND they aren’t done folks! Expect the desperate to come unhidged!

ActinUpinTexas on May 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Do budget cuts cause talking points to change?

djaymick on May 15, 2013 at 8:27 PM

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