Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on March 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Today, tea party favorite Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., became the latest prominent Republican to confuse the immigration conversation by avoiding specific language on citizenship — perhaps by design.

Paul lent his growing political weight to the issue with a speech widely interpreted as endorsing a pathway to citizenship. But he did so without making clear what that path would look like, or by even using the words “citizen” or “citizenship” – and of course steering far clear of any hint of a word like “amnesty.”…

“They’re really trying to find the sweet spot. It’s hard for them – they’ve moved a huge distance in a short time,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of the pro-reform group America’s Voice, which has frequently criticized lawmakers for standing in the way of a path to citizenship.

“Republicans are trying to find a place where they’re pro-Latino, but not attacked from the right. It’s a hard place to find,” Sharry said.

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The Associated Press is standing by its report that Sen. Rand Paul intended to back a path to citizenship in his speech Tuesday to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, despite the fact that he did not do so, and despite claims from advisers that the AP’s story is wrong.

“AP stands by its story. In a copy of his prepared speech given to AP by his office Monday night, Sen. Paul made clear that illegal immigrants would have a path towards probationary legal status and then towards a green card, which allows people to eventually apply to become U.S. citizens,” Washington Bureau Chief Sally Buzbee said in a statement sent to POLITICO.

“In the speech he delivered Tuesday, he omitted that point,” she continued. “After the speech, however, Paul again confirmed, while speaking to reporters, that under his plan, illegal immigrants would ultimately be able to apply for citizenship after a long and complex process.”

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Senator Rand Paul clarified today that he was not opposed to an eventual pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

“The immigration debate has been trapped and it’s been polarized by two terms: ‘path to citizenship’ and ‘amnesty,’” Paul told reporters in a conference call this afternoon. “So everybody who doesn’t want anything to move forward calls every proposal that somebody else wants ‘pathway to citizenship’ or ‘you’re granting amnesty.’ Can’t we have reform and just not call them by names that discourage the progress from going forward?”…

Paul was uneasy with the idea of harsh financial penalties for illegal immigrants. “If you had to pay back all your back payroll taxes and you’ve been working here for ten years, that would be thousands and thousands of dollars . . . so to get your work visa, I wouldn’t have any kind of big penalty like that,” he remarked. “If you’re going to get in the other line for citizenship, if they’re going to make it real easy, like you get right into the green-card line, then maybe you have to have pay penalties.”

Instead, Paul would prefer that penalty “be just the slowness to the process, not the money, because I think it would be prohibitive for a lot of people to come up with a large fine.”

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Senator Paul doesn’t like the language used to describe amnesty…

This is hilarious. “Path to citizenship” is itself a euphemism, one of many dreamed up to avoid the A-word, in the wake of focus groups conducted in 2001 by the National Council of La Raza to advise the Mexican government on how to push amnesty. The fact that they need to keep dreaming up new euphemisms once everyone understands what the old ones stand for should be a sign that the underlying policy is the problem, not the labels attached to it.

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As a rule (generalizations are always dangerous) paleoconservatives tend to be populist and protectionist (think Pat Buchanan). They worry a lot about immigration and stress border security. Conversely, libertarians tend to be less nationalistic, instead viewing themselves as citizens of the world.

As advocates of free markets and trade, libertarians tend to believe immigration laws should “match the reality of a dynamic society and labor market.”

Based on today’s news — on the immigration issue, at least — it’s clear Paul’s libertarian side won out.

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The key elements of Rand Paul’s immigration plan: a) securing the border, b) expanded high-skill, entrepreneur visas with total numbers determined by a bipartisan panel, c) no national ID card or mandatory E-Verify, and d) a route to legalization for illegal immigrants.

I guess that last point is particularly controversial because of Paul’s Tea Party support. But what really struck me is that aside from rejecting both the national ID card “forcing businesses to become policemen,” the Paul plan doesn’t seem to be very libertarian. While he wants more immigration, his path to legalization is more restrictionist than Marco Rubio’s path to citizenship for illegals…

Paul’s outspoken libertarian beliefs are really what make him interesting as a national political figure. His immigration plan seems like a missed opportunity to advance the argument.

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Worse, unlike the Gang of Ocho amnesty plan endorsed by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., Paul would force Republicans to play the role border-security-bad-guys every year. The Washington Examiner‘s Byron York reports, “Under his proposal, the border would have to be verified secure by some government agency and then — this is a key step for Paul — voted on by Congress on a yearly basis.”

You don’t have to be a genius to figure out how this would turn out. Every year a majority of Republicans would vote to say the border was not secure and those who came to the country illegally should not continue down the path to citizenship. And every year every Democrat and a minority of Republicans would vote the opposite, allowing those who came illegally to advance down that path… until of course they are all sworn in as Democratic voters.

Paul’s plan would do nothing to endear the Republican party to immigrant communities, would do nothing to secure the border, and would only incentivize new waves of illegal immigrants to come to the U.S. and wait for their special, one-time-only “path to citizenship.”

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In his speech, Paul made the now-standard case for more border security and a pathway to citizenship for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants: “If you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you.” He also made the well-worn argument that Republicans are permanent losers if they don’t win more Hispanic votes. Like others, he sees Hispanics as natural Republicans but for the immigration issue.

But all of the polling data suggest otherwise. The Pew Research Center notes, “Latinos have often been characterized as more socially conservative than most Americans. On some issues, such as abortion, that’s true. But on others, such as acceptance of homosexuality, it is not. When it comes to their own assessments of their political views, Latinos, more so than the general public, say their views are liberal.” It’s telling that when asked if they backed President Obama’s position that “health insurance organizations should be required to cover contraception,” 68 percent of Hispanics said yes; only 11 percent said no…

It’s true that George W. Bush did well with Hispanics and maybe — maybe — the Republicans can get some of that mojo back even as they still ignore Bush himself. But Hispanics are younger and bluer than they were in 2000. Younger Cuban-Americans are trending Democratic. It’s not at all clear Bush would do as well today. After all, Ronald Reagan passed immigration reform and no benefit accrued to Republicans. John McCain was the author of immigration reform and he only got 31 percent of Hispanics compared to Mitt Romney’s 27 percent. It’s true that new polling shows Hispanics say they’re more likely to be open to pro-pathway candidates. Still, maybe Paul will become a Hispanic icon. But that seems as likely as a run on Spanish editions of Atlas Shrugged.

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I won’t be voting for Rand Paul in ’16. Ted Cruz, it’s your turn at bat, looking forward to learning more about you, I hope you’re not as disappointing as Rand.

FloatingRock on March 20, 2013 at 2:49 AM

bluefox on March 20, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Where did you come from?

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 2:57 AM

FloatingRock on March 20, 2013 at 2:49 AM

Weren’t you a Ron Paul supporter?

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 2:59 AM

Weren’t you a Ron Paul supporter?

Rusty Allen on March 20, 2013 at 2:59 AM

Yeah

FloatingRock on March 20, 2013 at 3:57 AM

I’m all for a path to citizenship for illegal aliens.

Just make sure the path goes through the jail house, which is where all criminals should be routed.

Wino on March 20, 2013 at 4:05 AM

“The immigration debate has been trapped and it’s been polarized by two terms: ‘path to citizenship’ and ‘amnesty,’” Paul told reporters in a conference call this afternoon. “So everybody who doesn’t want anything to move forward calls every proposal that somebody else wants ‘pathway to citizenship’ or ‘you’re granting amnesty.’ Can’t we have reform and just not call them by names that discourage the progress from going forward?”…

No. They are already criminals. They must leave and never come back.

It’s time for all of us to get hardassed about this. Our elected Aristocrats care more about building their own power than acting in the best interests of our nation.

Legitimizing 30 million criminals is not in our interests. Day after day after day many of them commit additional crimes here.

No more, you idiots in DC. NO MORE!

dogsoldier on March 20, 2013 at 6:00 AM

He’s done, in my book. He has no conviction, he’s now pandering to non-Americans.

stenwin77 on March 20, 2013 at 6:19 AM

Mornin’, Y’all! The Path to Citizenship: Can Tou Buy Patriotism and Loyalty? My take.

kingsjester on March 20, 2013 at 6:33 AM

and yet the gop will pander, assuming they are going to get the hispanic vote with this boondoggle

good luck with that

morning HA crew

*clink coffe mug*

a big welcome for dear leader in israel….

oh good, dear leader took care of his NCAA brackets before he left town…
the required budget submission…meh

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 6:44 AM

An EXCELLENT take by KJ once again…

READ IT FOLKS

*passing along*

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 6:47 AM

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 6:47 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on March 20, 2013 at 6:50 AM

Stand with Rand?????? hard to do with the sand shifting constantly under your feet.

It’s not even 2016 yet and he’s already conceded the immigration issue to the other side.
The other day he wanted to take marriage out of the tax code, which now means he only has to shift the teeniest bit to the left before he supports same sex marriage.

Stand with Rand? ROFL

renalin on March 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Good Morning, cms. At least Jug-Ears has his priorities straight.

Chock-full-of-Nuts New York Roast in my cup this morning. *super-clink*!

Naturally Curly on March 20, 2013 at 6:55 AM

oh good, dear leader took care of his NCAA brackets before he left town…
the required budget submission…meh

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 6:44 AM

Drudge has a link to the fact that the White House is tweeting pictures of the first grifters having “snack time” in the oval office with a couple of toddlers taking apples from a bowl on the coffee table. A couple of hours earlier the rat-eared Satan tweeted about “spending cuts” to education those evil Republicans were plotting.

It was pointed out that with seven dead Marines in Nevada, unrest in the Middle East, the installation of a new Pope, and of course the seven-weeks late budget the rat-eared Satan was supposed to submit to Congress BY LAW…….. well, spending time on commenting about snacks and campaigning on behalf of the education lobby aren’t exactly what you would call the best use of the rat-eared Satan’s time.

Happy Nomad on March 20, 2013 at 7:00 AM

renalin on March 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM

when Mika is talking about him in a positive way via Dana Milbank, you know something ain’t right…remember all the praise she gave Cuda the day after her nomination, then the following day?…yeah straight to palinization…

Naturally Curly on March 20, 2013 at 6:55 AM

morning NC :)

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:00 AM

kingsjester on March 20, 2013 at 6:33 AM

Thanks KJ. As usual, you nailed it. We need to be the Party of NO. From our state governments down to our own discretionary spending (what little there is)…NO.

indypat on March 20, 2013 at 7:02 AM

Happy Nomad on March 20, 2013 at 7:00 AM

*shaking the head*
and the lsm just thinks its sooooo cool

dear leader will stand with Israel…make a note of that when he throws them under the bus when he gets back…

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:03 AM

ouch…dan senor paraphrasing, this is the first president who went to Israel WITHOUT a plan…

wonderful
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cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:05 AM

indypat on March 20, 2013 at 7:02 AM

Thank you!

kingsjester on March 20, 2013 at 7:05 AM

dear leader will stand with Israel…make a note of that when he throws them under the bus when he gets back…

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Local talk radio had a reporter from The Jerusalem Post on this morning. She was not a fan.

This portion of the rat-eared devil’s trip is meaningless. He’s trying to campaign in Israel and convince them that he really isn’t a terrorist-loving enemy of the Jewish people. Here’s hoping Israeli Jews are smarter than the American Jews who voted to re-elect this bastard by a huge majority. He can find time to meet with other leaders in the region but not Netanyahu? Give me a break.

There should be real outrage about this.

Happy Nomad on March 20, 2013 at 7:10 AM

so is syria using the saddam’s chemical weapons…remember the footage of trucks moving from iraq to syria…

hmmmmmm

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:11 AM

dan senor paraphrasing, this is the first president who went to Israel WITHOUT a plan…

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:05 AM

Much as I respect Dan Senor, I think he’s wrong here. The rat-eared devil has a plan. It just isn’t one that he can talk about outside his group of Israeli/Jew-hating advisors.

Happy Nomad on March 20, 2013 at 7:12 AM

Here’s hoping Israeli Jews are smarter than the American Jews who voted to re-elect this bastard by a huge majority. He can find time to meet with other leaders in the region but not Netanyahu? Give me a break.

There should be real outrage about this.

Happy Nomad on March 20, 2013 at 7:10 AM

from your keyboard HN….

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Good take, KJ.

Naturally Curly on March 20, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Happy Nomad on March 20, 2013 at 7:12 AM

good point

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:14 AM

Naturally Curly on March 20, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Thank you!

kingsjester on March 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM

Still laughing over this Green Room headline:

Obama 4/4 on meeting NCAA bracket deadlines, 1/5 on budgets

Pretty much sums up this administration, no?

Happy Nomad on March 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:11 AM

Syria has its own NBC systems based on its processing of phosphate deposits with uranium in them. They swindled the Swedes back in the 90′s to get a separation facility from them (in Homs) and that served as the backbone of the CW systems that Syria had been developing since the fanny spanking Israel delivered during the 6 Day War. Syria then purchased Soviet spin mix in flight CW warhead technology from the Egyptians (before they turned their program off under Sadat).

What Saddam did was send a lot of his processing equipment and some large amounts of raw feedstock to Syria to clean up his plants, possibly with Russian help just before the invasion. That stuff was dropped off just over the border and then moved by the Syrians to a more secure facility just on the eastern side of their coastal range. Since they got the stuff the assumption has been that the Syrians would be doing analysis of the equipment and slowly integrating it into their current capability where there was a fit. From all reports the Saddam regime had relied upon older mix before you fire types of warheads, so there was no real technological leap on that front for Syria. Getting better CW and BW processing, especially the BW and possibly even yellowcake enrichment equipment are the big threats from what Saddam had as he could process those same phosphate deposits that crossed the border into enriched yellowcake.

Syria has had a decades long relationship with NoKo on missile technology and the Israeli strike on a co-production facility in Syria that the Syrians had with NoKo and possibly some ex-Soviet scientists was a win-win for both sides as Syria got handling and production expertise and NoKo got better equipment plans to copy and processing expertise from Syria. That nuclear program got stopped but who knows just what had already been exchanged to get to a small scale, high quality uranium enrichment facility?

No one has heard much of the BW systems that Syria might have by their decision to start a pharma industry and then decide not to after the dual use equipment was delivered. That equipment disappeared and no one is thinking ‘theft’ but just the regime taking the stuff to its own secure facilities. Getting a BW warhead made is tough stuff, but NoKo may have some expertise in that after a few of the AUM Shinrikyo followers decided to move there after their CW attack on the Japanese subway station. AUM is a pretty nasty group that had all sorts of lovely capability to the point that the Soviets sent the KGB to spy on them and then, after the fall of the USSR, found out those agents had been turned by the cult and disappeared.

The missile tech of Syria is generally NoKo purchased and then was locally enhanced, sold to the Iranians and then NoKo, which then helped to get its missile program on track in the late ’90s. These are missiles that are thought to be compatible with the spin mix in flight shells (far better than what Saddam had) and because of that rating a long step forward to delivering more fragile warheads (read nuclear with plans supplied by the AQ Khan racket).

Outside of WMDs Syria’s military is pretty much an extension of its policing capabilities since their actual expertise got ground down due to Israel. The idea was to use WMDs to counter conventional threats… Israel is a small strip of land, after all… and thus hold playing cards as the Weak Sister in the ME. Its neighbors couldn’t threaten it due to Chem or Chem/Bio threats, so even while its military is a joke no one was going to bother them, even in the era of less than accurate Patriot Missile systems. The Israeli Iron Dome system, however, may take out the missile threat from Syria, but does nothing for artillery rounds which can reach a fair distance into northern Israel (remember, it is a thin strip of land as a Nation).

The problem with Saddam dropping of equipment to Syria isn’t the delivery systems, but processing equipment… and that equipment while aimed at the nuclear side, also means cleaner and more useful phosphate for the CW and BW arena. Plus glass making and fertilizer… not that Syria makes a lot of the latter but they do have a decent glass industry. Someone has to make all those beakers, tubing and containers for the labs, you know?

ajacksonian on March 20, 2013 at 7:51 AM

Thanks AJ
Appreciate it
:)

cmsinaz on March 20, 2013 at 7:58 AM

Mornin’, Y’all! The Path to Citizenship: Can Tou Buy Patriotism and Loyalty? My take.

kingsjester on March 20, 2013 at 6:33 AM

…waited till I got to work and have my coffee…good one kj !
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I won’t be voting for Rand Paul in ’16. Ted Cruz, it’s your turn at bat, looking forward to learning more about you, I hope you’re not as disappointing as Rand.

FloatingRock on March 20, 2013 at 2:49 AM

…almost spit that coffee on the screen!…I might be siding with FR and Cruz?…and… I’m not done… with Rand yet.

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2013 at 8:47 AM

KOOLAID2 on March 20, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Thank you!

kingsjester on March 20, 2013 at 9:07 AM

“We stand together because peace must come to the Holy Land,” Obama said. “Even as we are clear eyed about the difficulties, we will never lose sight of the vision of an Israel at peace with its neighbors.”

Anyone else hear or see this? Cleverly worded as if it is Israel’s fault that there is not peace in the Middle East.

If Arabs laid down their arms there would be peace, if Israel laid down their arms there would be no Israel…

Fallon on March 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Both “Jug” and “Plug” are out of the country:

I just wish that Boehner had the stones to cancel a few dozen Executive Orders and issue a few dozen of his own while he’s in charge of the country.

landlines on March 20, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Mornin’, Y’all! The Path to Citizenship: Can Tou Buy Patriotism and Loyalty? My take.

kingsjester on March 20, 2013 at 6:33 AM

A good take kj and I’m sure all Patriotic Americans share your views! Sadly, our Government doesn’t, or can’t or won’t. Probably a little of each:-)

bluefox on March 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

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