Holy cow: Not even 40 votes in the Senate for the assault-weapons ban, says Reid

posted at 4:41 pm on March 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Amazing. I predicted once or twice in writing about the AWB that there might not be 50 votes but I felt silly about it afterwards. Of course there’d be 50 votes. The bill was doomed to be filibustered given the GOP’s solid opposition plus the skittishness of red-state Dems like Mark Pryor, Mark Begich, and Mary Landrieu, but Reid would be able to muster 50 if only because Senate Democrats would want to avoid humiliating Obama after his big gun-control campaign. That way, even when the bill failed on the cloture vote, O could still claim that it had majority support in the Senate. That’s key for his 2014 messaging against the GOP: The more stuff he can lay at the feet of Republicans, the better Democrats’ chances are.

Instead, this. Wow:

“Dianne has worked so hard on this,” Reid said, referring to the ban’s sponsor, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). “She understands going back to the day she found the mayor dead in his office. I know that, but right now her amendment, using the most optimistic numbers, has less than 40 votes. That’s not 60. I have to get something on the floor so we can have votes on that issue and the other issues.”

You know what the most amazing part is? That Reid would actually float this incredibly lame number instead of just saying “we didn’t have the votes” and leaving it at that. Is he … trying to humiliate Obama (and Feinstein)? Is he annoyed, maybe, that O pounded the table for an AWB knowing that doing so made Reid the bad guy potentially for being unable to marshal the 60 votes needed to make the liberal base’s dreams come true? Or is he actually P.O.’d at his caucus for not being willing to give Obama even 50 votes and is trying to humiliate them here by specifying just how feeble their support was? That may have a strategic component too insofar as Feinstein is likely to offer the AWB as an amendment to Schumer’s background-checks bill. If Senate Dems are sufficiently shamed and get an earful from their constituents, they might to get to 50 for the amendment after all even though it’s destined to be flibustered.

But never mind that. Assume that all 45 Republicans in the Senate are voting no on the AWB; that means, per Reid’s number, that there are at least 16(!) Democrats prepared to vote no as well. Who are they? Find me 16 from this list. Baucus, Begich, Casey, Donnelly, Hagan, Heitkamp, Johnson, Landrieu, Manchin, Pryor, Rockefeller, Tester — that’s 12. Who else? Mark Warner and/or Tim Kaine? Tom Harkin, even though he voted for Feinstein’s last go at an AWB in 2004? Are there maybe a few liberals in the Senate who are voting no because the ban doesn’t go far enough? Darn it, we need a whip count.

Exit question via Jim Geraghty: Did Harry Reid miss the part of the SOTU where Obama insisted that victims of gun violence deserve a vote?


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Paging Luke “Close your eyes and listen to the eloquent senator from California school meanie Ted Cruz” Russert

mwbri on March 19, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Holy Cow, indeed.

Nailed Feinstein, perfectly.

I apologize to the good cows, who give us milk.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Eternal vigilance against those who wish to disarm us.

tom daschle concerned on March 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM

He’s frackin lying.

He’s covering his arse, spreading the blame.

That being said, the AWB isn’t the focus. Dems knew it would be DOA.

They are after the ‘universal background checks’.

THAT’s the golden egg.

catmman on March 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 4:44 PM

rofl..That is hilarious..:)

Dire Straits on March 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

“Dianne has worked so hard on this,” Reid said, referring to the ban’s sponsor, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). “She understands going back to the day she found the mayor dead in his office.

So now the Democrats are dancing on the back of a dead politician.

Might as well…. they’ve already been dancing on the backs of dead schoolchildren and dead soldiers to further their radical agenda.

UltimateBob on March 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Did Harry Reid miss the part of the SOTU where Obama insisted that victims of gun violence deserve a vote?

Did Obama miss the part where the American people insist that he uphold the oath he swore to defend and protect the Constitution?

redguy on March 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Feinstein and her husband are national crooks. They have plundered multi-millions from Medicare.

That she was re-elected with that record tells how idiotic Californians are.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

“She understands going back to the day she found the mayor dead in his office.”

IRRELEVANT!!!

VengeanceIsMine on March 19, 2013 at 4:49 PM

“Dianne has worked so hard on this,” Reid said, referring to the ban’s sponsor, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). “She understands going back to the day she found the mayor dead in his office. I know that, but right now her amendment, using the most optimistic numbers, has less than 40 votes. That’s not 60. I have to get something on the floor so we can have votes on that issue and the other issues.”

Once again, democrats dancing on the bodies of the dead. Even their own.

CurtZHP on March 19, 2013 at 4:49 PM

It’s smoke and mirrors to get us to relax…
Not gonna work, Dingy.

Marcola on March 19, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Blame the LA Pierre right wing extremist in the Senate
morning joe

cmsinaz on March 19, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Paging Luke “Close your eyes and listen to the eloquent senator from California school meanie Ted Cruz” Russert

mwbri on March 19, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Luke needs to wake the *uck up. He is not 1/10th the man his father was.

redguy on March 19, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Good. Now kill amnesty.

El_Terrible on March 19, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Did Harry Reid miss the part of the SOTU where Obama insisted that victims of gun violence deserve a vote?

Did the media miss ripping Harry, like they did the right…implying that the right are guilty for the travesties…

Media, suffocate, you derelict fools. I hope you all spontaneously combust, you swine.

I apologize to the good/clean pigs.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Go do Drudge and look at the main photo (if you have a strong enough stomach).

Feinstein with that wrinkled, craggled claw over her prunelike face, with the bloodshot eyes. She is as hideous on the outside as she is on the inside.

UltimateBob on March 19, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Stick that in your bong, sexypedopilian!

Chuck Schick on March 19, 2013 at 4:51 PM

The Drudge picture of Feinstein is more realistic, by far.

The hag isn’t ageing well at all.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Luke needs to wake the *uck up. He is not 1/10th the man his father was.

redguy on March 19, 2013 at 4:50 PM

His father was a douchebag too.

UltimateBob on March 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Did Harry Reid miss the part of the SOTU where Obama insisted that victims of gun violence deserve a vote?

he didn’t mean a vote vote, did he? He meant a vote in name only

ted c on March 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

She understands going back to the day she found the mayor dead in his office.

Wasn’t that self inflicted. Is she trying to say that she wants to ban “assault” firearms to prevent suicide?

Dr. Frank Enstine on March 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

She understands going back to the day she found the mayor dead in his office.

Harvey Milk wasn’t the mayor. It was traumatic for San Fran, but once again a Dem politician does not have his facts right. The murderer of Harvey Milk was a fellow politician who was mentally unstable.

mwbri on March 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

There’s a portrait in an attic somewhere of Feinstein getting prettier…

catmman on March 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Harvey Milk wasn’t the mayor. It was traumatic for San Fran, but once again a Dem politician does not have his facts right. The murderer of Harvey Milk was a fellow politician who was mentally unstable.

mwbri on March 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

My bad. I thought he killed himself.

Dr. Frank Enstine on March 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Was Ted Cruz seen dancing on his desk with castanets?

BuckeyeSam on March 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM

They are after the ‘universal background checks’.

THAT’s the golden egg.

catmman on March 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

That’s the money shot. Anything else is a parlor game to keep people from talking about what they really want.

Lanceman on March 19, 2013 at 4:55 PM

There’s a portrait in an attic somewhere of Feinstein getting prettier…

catmman on March 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM

haha…. good one!

UltimateBob on March 19, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Looking forward for the trolls’ reaction.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM

The murderer of Harvey Milk was a fellow politician who was mentally unstable.

mwbri on March 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

When you say ‘politician’, wasn’t it a former police officer that did it? You know, the only people we can trust with guns?

Lanceman on March 19, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 4:50 PM

You are on a roll..:)

Dire Straits on March 19, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Harry Reid is the scum of the earth, but that doesn’t mean he can’t do something right every now and again.

MTF on March 19, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Wasn’t that self inflicted. Is she trying to say that she wants to ban “assault” firearms to prevent suicide?

Dr. Frank Enstine on March 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

A Democrat’s skull is so dense, you need at least 30 shots from a powerful rifle to penetrate. No assault rifles, no suicides.

Archivarix on March 19, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Remember when Al Franken was asked about whether he supported a new AWB? He was very, very vague.

He’s up for reelection next year and Minnesota has a big hunting community plus a gun manufacturing base.

Just sayin’.

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Regarding the screencap, if I didn’t know any better, I’d say Reid and Durbin are checking out DiFi’s yooper.

If I’m not mistaken, Durbin’s saying, “It must be jelly, cuz jam don’t shake like that!”

BuckeyeSam on March 19, 2013 at 4:59 PM

“Dianne has worked so hard on this,” Reid said, referring to the ban’s sponsor, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). “She understands going back to the day she found the mayor dead in his office…”

Don’t forget about the part when she poked her claw in the wound Harry.
I feel so very happy that she worked so hard on this crap bill that would solve nothing except libs’ power and control addiction.
I’m sure you’ll get another chance before they wheel you out Di, you pretty little thing.

arnold ziffel on March 19, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Exit question via Jim Geraghty: Did Harry Reid miss the part of the SOTU where Obama insisted that victims of gun violence deserve a vote?

Whatever. I thought it was going to come up as an amendment. If so, they’ll get a vote.

My question is why the heck are we paying attention to this squirrel rather than Schumer’s background checks? That’s what the Dems wanted to get through in the first place, and Feinstein is playing the bad cop to the Remainder of the leadership’s good cop.

Dusty on March 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Must be watched, if not done so, yet.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM

My bet is that Harry is tired of Barry putting him in a box time and time again virtually no upside. How many Dem’s are fuming mad that Obama has put them in a bind again and that said bind and subsequent vote could cost them their seats? They all know that he’s next to useless in a midterm election and that he’s kicked up enough dust to get them dirty in 2014. We all know that Obama’s approval rating with the public is southbound but my gut tells me that his approval among Senate Dems is on a straight line highway to he!!.

volnation on March 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Not sixth graders..?

d1carter on March 19, 2013 at 5:01 PM

So Libree, where are you?

itsspideyman on March 19, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Trolls missing.

Axelturds at a loss at how to be indoctrinated.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Good news on a Tuesday.

22044 on March 19, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Feinstein told the truth. She’s not “a sixth grader”. She’s a 3rd grader.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 5:06 PM

He’s frackin lying.

He’s covering his arse, spreading the blame.

That being said, the AWB isn’t the focus. Dems knew it would be DOA.

They are after the ‘universal background checks’.

THAT’s the golden egg.

catmman on March 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

This!
A rose by any other name is called registration!

Don L on March 19, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Feinstein told the truth. She’s not “a sixth grader”. She’s a 3rd grader.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 5:06 PM

“But, but, but, Mrs Teacher, does this still mean that it is ‘legal to hunt humans’ in America? Why would the mean, old, white men in Washington not want to protect humans like they do ducks?”

- Little DiFi, Mrs Teacher’s 3rd grade class

Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 5:09 PM

HA! HA!

MOLON LABE, bit@!

Opposite Day on March 19, 2013 at 5:10 PM

The trolls aren’t going to want to touch this thread any more than they want to the one about Reid. Really–what can they say about this glaring defeat? Whinestein’s bill didn’t even come close to the votes it needed, so there’s nothing in it for them. The most they muster would be the ‘terrorist’ NRA, Big Guns, and Big Ammo defeated what was a ‘reasonable’ bill that only banned 150 guns but ‘allowed’ 2300 others to remain available.

But if this topic of Whinestein’s failure was linked to SSM or race, the trolls would be all over it.

Liam on March 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Actually, I wouldn’t believe a damned thing Harry Reid said.

GarandFan on March 19, 2013 at 5:14 PM

There’s a portrait in an attic somewhere of Feinstein getting prettier…

catmman on March 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Now that’s funny right there, I don’t care who ya are!
(Taking this to FB with attribution!)

HammerNH on March 19, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Hey Frankenstein….

EAT IT!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA………

GhoulAid on March 19, 2013 at 5:16 PM

About time. Maybe this will ease the buying frenzy for Ammo so I can, you know, buy some.

WisRich on March 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Dianne Feinstein will never get the blood of Harvey Milk off her hands.

Of course, this bill wouldn’t have helped Milk, since it didn’t cover the .38 special — the same model gun Feinstein herself had owned.

J_Crater on March 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Holy cow: Not even 40 votes in the Senate for the assault-weapons ban, says Reid

Reid to come out shortly saying Sequestration Killed it.

ToddPA on March 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM

“Dianne has worked so hard on this,” Reid said,

Yeah, I admit, the Dems work hard at destroying America.

If only Boehner and a few others would work as hard trying to save it.

JellyToast on March 19, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Did Obama miss the part where the American people insist that he uphold the oath he swore to defend and protect the Constitution?

redguy on March 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Well he did not. He found out after Bengazi that Americans don’t care. see Nov 6.

antisocial on March 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

I think this is probably an accurate representation of how liberal ideas are embraced across the country (that’s probably being generous) and arm twisting couldn’t budge the dopes in DC on this issue. Too bad the same couldn’t be said for healthcare etc.

Jackalope on March 19, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Holy cow: Not even 40 votes in the Senate for the assault-weapons ban, says Reid

Reid to come out shortly saying Sequestration Killed it.

ToddPA on March 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM

I am beginning to like the Sequestration fella. He’s got a kinda small-government vibe to him.

Lily on March 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM


She understands going back to the day she found the mayor dead in his office.

Harvey Milk wasn’t the mayor. It was traumatic for San Fran, but once again a Dem politician does not have his facts right. The murderer of Harvey Milk was a fellow politician who was mentally unstable.

mwbri on March 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

George Moscone is the mayor being referred to. He was murdered along with Milk, but Milk got all the press because, well, because he was openly gay. Of course, in SF that’s about like saying “I live near a streetcar track”.

They were shot and killed by former city supervisor Dan White, who had been discharged from his job, or encouraged to resign (accounts differ- Feinstein has at least three) due to mental “issues”.

The murders happened soon after the murder of Congressman Leo Ryan and the Jonestown mass suicide in Guyana; Jim Jones had been a political crony of all concerned, including Feinstein. Jones bragged that he had a “hit list” and people who would carry it out if anything happened to him; there was strong suspicion at the time that White was one of his chosen “button men”.

White of course got off with the infamous “Twinkie defense”, claiming that overindulgence in processed foods drove him crazy.

This was the springboard that catapulted Feinstein from deputy mayor of SF (little more than a gofer) to U.S. Senator with a “death to guns and their owners” agenda.

What she’s never admitted in all of this is that White killed Moscone and Milk, not with an “evil assault weapon”, or even a “high-capacity handgun”, but with a plain .38 Special revolver- that was issued to him by the City of San Francisco, in keeping with his post as Safety Service Director.

Since it was city property, you’d think they’d have made him turn it in with his office door key when they hoofed him out, however they actually did it.

I’ve long suspected that as deputy mayor, Feinstein would have been the one to see to the details of White’s pink-slipping. And who was probably the reason he still had that (city-owned) revolver. For her, attempting to disarm the American people may not only be a dream associated with her lust for power- it may also be a way to avoid admitting how badly she screwed up back in 1978.

My dislike of Feinstein’s autocratic ambitions is only exceeded by my contempt for her dishonesty and my disbelief at her lack of actual intelligence. Only in a deep-blue area could someone like Feinstein, with an ability to ignore reality only exceeded by Timothy Leary on an epic LSD trip, be elected to the U.S. Senate.

clear ether

eon

eon on March 19, 2013 at 5:30 PM

If you could delve into the deepest, darkest, evil recesses of Feinstein’s mind, I bet you would find a wish that there was some kind of SandyHook event right now.

She needs emotion over rational thought.

kurtzz3 on March 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM

maybe he realized it’s a case of use them or lose them.

wolly4321 on March 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM

This is purely Reid saving face with the NRA. He’s one of their biggest backers in the Senate. Judging by his track record he is probably a no vote himself.

eski502 on March 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM

This is purely Reid saving face with the NRA. He’s one of their biggest backers in the Senate. Judging by his track record he is probably a no vote himself.

Did he vote NO so he can bring it back up?

Mike Morrissey on March 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM

When Feinstein said something close to “I don’t care about constitutionality when passing legislation”, I wish the Texas Cruz Missile had read her oath of office to her.

WestTexasBirdDog on March 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

If Reid said he had 40 — he probably had 25.

unclesmrgol on March 19, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Did he vote NO so he can bring it back up?

Mike Morrissey on March 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM

OT – do you think your brother looks like the new Pope?

22044 on March 19, 2013 at 5:41 PM

At least mark kelly can stop sweating getting an AR now. I’ll sell him mine privately for $3k, and turn around and buy 2 more for me.

wolly4321 on March 19, 2013 at 5:46 PM

So does this mean the DHS will place a stop order on the 1.6 billion rounds of ammo? If not, then what good is a weapon without ammo?

DDay on March 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

LMAO

I knew this bill wasnt going to go anywhere, but LMAOOOOO!!!
Cant even get to 40? Thats hilarious.

Blu3Yeti on March 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

DDay- what makes you think we don’t have billions of rounds as well? Some have been buying for 5 years now. Or more.

wolly4321 on March 19, 2013 at 5:59 PM

But Mr Giffords bought one …or something.
/

Thank goodness.

CW on March 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Good call Allahpundit, good call.

jake49 on March 19, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Find me 16 from this list. Baucus, Begich, Casey, Donnelly, Hagan, Heitkamp, Johnson, Landrieu, Manchin, Pryor, Rockefeller, Tester — that’s 12. Who else?

Sanders and Leahy. Vermonters would revolt.

Pablo on March 19, 2013 at 6:19 PM

That was initial said about Obamacare. It turned out to be a ploy that sucked in Snowe.

pat on March 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM

He straw purchased it against Federal law or something/

Thank goodness.

wolly4321 on March 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Maybe he’ll turn it in loaded like di-fi did or something. /

Thank goodness.

wolly4321 on March 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM

I ran out and bought an AK for nothing then? well, I’ll just keep it anyway. Just in case.

johnnyU on March 19, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Too bad they couldn’t have driven a wooden stake through her (bill’s) heart.

Another Drew on March 19, 2013 at 7:15 PM

DDay- what makes you think we don’t have billions of rounds as well? Some have been buying for 5 years now. Or more.

wolly4321 on March 19, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Call me the eternal optimist, but I never thought it would get to this level.

DDay on March 19, 2013 at 7:18 PM

DDay- speaking of D-day, one day my grandfather was a young man at work Dec.6, 1941. he’s 91 now. He says the same thing about now.

He’s bought a LOT of bullets over the years. M1 Garands from CMP.

wolly4321 on March 19, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Is it just me, or doesn’t Feinstein’s head look the same as the creature from the ‘Alien’ films?

chewmeister on March 19, 2013 at 7:39 PM

UltimateBob on March 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Harry Reid is a pipsqueak opportunist. Nothing is sacred to him. We call Bloomberg loathsome, but in comparison? Harry wins. Why the people of his district keep voting in this despicable crook and liar is beyond me. He’s got something up his sleeve with this. I have no idea what it is, but I’d bet my job that he’s not done with this.

scalleywag on March 19, 2013 at 7:49 PM

wolly4321 on March 19, 2013 at 7:30 PM

A word to the wise is sufficient. Now all I have to do is get caught up.

DDay on March 19, 2013 at 8:22 PM

eon on March 19, 2013 at 5:30 PM

…good!

KOOLAID2 on March 19, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Possibly Gillibrand. She was pro-gun before she was senator.

MadisonConservative on March 19, 2013 at 10:49 PM

I’m sure Warner and Kaine are gun-grabbers at heart, but there’s a Governpor’s race in VA this year and they don’t want a pro-gun backlash against their candidate.

BuzzCrutcher on March 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Ha! Love “holy cow”. :)

api on October 23, 2013 at 10:01 AM