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		<title>By: Show Prep: Wed, March 20 &#124; The Burning Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Show Prep: Wed, March 20 &#124; The Burning Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: imperfectamerica</title>
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		<dc:creator>imperfectamerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No surprise, regulation kills economic growth and prosperity.  At the current rate of growth it would take 42 years to double your income. 50 years ago it would have taken 16...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://imperfectamerica.blogspot.com/2013/03/regulation-vs-prosperity-america-goes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Regulation vs. Prosperity... America goes gently into that good night&lt;/a&gt;

http://www.imperfectamerica.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise, regulation kills economic growth and prosperity.  At the current rate of growth it would take 42 years to double your income. 50 years ago it would have taken 16&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://imperfectamerica.blogspot.com/2013/03/regulation-vs-prosperity-america-goes.html" rel="nofollow">Regulation vs. Prosperity&#8230; America goes gently into that good night</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.imperfectamerica.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.imperfectamerica.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: AZfederalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZfederalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;We also see people who have taken cash under the table for many years suddenly wake up–much too late–at about age 55 and realize that their SS pension is not going to be a good one.

Owen Glendower on March 19, 2013 at 8:44 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

  Thing is, given the direction the government is headed, those people who paid into Social Security the right way are also going to suddenly wake up and find out their SS pension is not going to be a good one.

   Looks like AARP is already sounding the klaxon over chained CPI or any other means of reigning in SS outlays.  That program will soon become unsustainable and completely collapse if every attempt to lower the payout of money that has long since been spent is thwarted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We also see people who have taken cash under the table for many years suddenly wake up–much too late–at about age 55 and realize that their SS pension is not going to be a good one.</p>
<p>Owen Glendower on March 19, 2013 at 8:44 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>  Thing is, given the direction the government is headed, those people who paid into Social Security the right way are also going to suddenly wake up and find out their SS pension is not going to be a good one.</p>
<p>   Looks like AARP is already sounding the klaxon over chained CPI or any other means of reigning in SS outlays.  That program will soon become unsustainable and completely collapse if every attempt to lower the payout of money that has long since been spent is thwarted.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Glendower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen Glendower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It costs too much now for companies to create open positions that carry the costs of mandated health insurance.  Instead,&lt;strong&gt; more employers appear to be paying cash for what used to be called piece work in a bygone era.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Employers are also trying to treat more people as independent contractors, in order to escape paying the employer&#039;s share of SS tax, as is required for employees.  Employers would rather issue a 1099 rather than a W-2, in other words.

My wife &amp; I see a great deal of this in our small tax &amp; accounting practice.  Employers can often get away with treating the employee as an independent contractor because the employee would put his job at risk if he disputed it.

We also see people who have taken cash under the table for many years suddenly wake up--much too late--at about age 55 and realize that their SS pension is not going to be a good one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It costs too much now for companies to create open positions that carry the costs of mandated health insurance.  Instead,<strong> more employers appear to be paying cash for what used to be called piece work in a bygone era.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Employers are also trying to treat more people as independent contractors, in order to escape paying the employer&#8217;s share of SS tax, as is required for employees.  Employers would rather issue a 1099 rather than a W-2, in other words.</p>
<p>My wife &amp; I see a great deal of this in our small tax &amp; accounting practice.  Employers can often get away with treating the employee as an independent contractor because the employee would put his job at risk if he disputed it.</p>
<p>We also see people who have taken cash under the table for many years suddenly wake up&#8211;much too late&#8211;at about age 55 and realize that their SS pension is not going to be a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Hernando&#8217;s Revenge &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hernando&#8217;s Revenge &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Air has a story on an apparent boom in the &#8220;off books economy,&#8221; more commonly known as the &#8220;black [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Air has a story on an apparent boom in the &#8220;off books economy,&#8221; more commonly known as the &#8220;black [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Voluble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Voluble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The black market was the only thing that kept the Soviet Union afloat as long as it did.  The thing is that if it becomes pervasive enough then the government loses all authority.  Our government has already lost its legitimacy through what has been done to the Constitution.  That document is a dead letter and has been since FDR stacked the court.  But ironically, the more they use the authority they still have the less it is respected.

People now only comply out of fear.  Not because there is some legitimacy to the claim the government makes on their resources. Do you really think a child born now feels in any way whatsoever liable for the trillions in debt they had no hand in making and derived no benefit from?

The left can have its kleptocracy but they are going to find they can&#039;t keep it.  We are at the stage where the elite think they can game the system and insulate themselves from the ravages they inflict on the rest of us.  That state of affairs cannot, and will not last.  Eventually even the OWS crowd will get a clue and their anger will be all the more intense for having been fooled and used as they were.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The black market was the only thing that kept the Soviet Union afloat as long as it did.  The thing is that if it becomes pervasive enough then the government loses all authority.  Our government has already lost its legitimacy through what has been done to the Constitution.  That document is a dead letter and has been since FDR stacked the court.  But ironically, the more they use the authority they still have the less it is respected.</p>
<p>People now only comply out of fear.  Not because there is some legitimacy to the claim the government makes on their resources. Do you really think a child born now feels in any way whatsoever liable for the trillions in debt they had no hand in making and derived no benefit from?</p>
<p>The left can have its kleptocracy but they are going to find they can&#8217;t keep it.  We are at the stage where the elite think they can game the system and insulate themselves from the ravages they inflict on the rest of us.  That state of affairs cannot, and will not last.  Eventually even the OWS crowd will get a clue and their anger will be all the more intense for having been fooled and used as they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Tater Salad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tater Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s called the interenet; anybody notice the amount of commerce happening on Ebay and Craigslist?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s called the interenet; anybody notice the amount of commerce happening on Ebay and Craigslist?</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;it cannot extract rational revenues from its participants&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sure it can. Several rational taxes such as a sales tax fit the bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it cannot extract rational revenues from its participants</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure it can. Several rational taxes such as a sales tax fit the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Fallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But, I don&#039;t wanna be a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFjD11zOCM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pirate&lt;/a&gt;.

Or, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTTlSxTfQ7s&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;maybe I do&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, I don&#8217;t wanna be a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFjD11zOCM" rel="nofollow">pirate</a>.</p>
<p>Or, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTTlSxTfQ7s" rel="nofollow">maybe I do</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: teejk</title>
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		<dc:creator>teejk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excessive taxation will result in an underground economy.  At some point the question doesn&#039;t even involve &quot;fair&quot;, rather it becomes a &quot;sport&quot; (anybody living in Spain or Italy could attest to that...even if the tax rate went to 10%, with long periods of high taxes the mind-set is still to avoid the 10%). Europe saw that with the introduction of the Euro...the so-called &quot;legacy&quot; currencies had to be converted to the single currency.  There were daily limits on doing that before their version of our &quot;Currency transaction report&quot; was issued.  It was a real burden having to go to the bank every day for months to convert enough &quot;mattress money&quot; to stay below that reporting threshold. When they ran out of time, they went to real estate transactions where the agreed-upon price was reduced.  The real price was made up &quot;under the table&quot; when the lawyer went to the bathroom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excessive taxation will result in an underground economy.  At some point the question doesn&#8217;t even involve &#8220;fair&#8221;, rather it becomes a &#8220;sport&#8221; (anybody living in Spain or Italy could attest to that&#8230;even if the tax rate went to 10%, with long periods of high taxes the mind-set is still to avoid the 10%). Europe saw that with the introduction of the Euro&#8230;the so-called &#8220;legacy&#8221; currencies had to be converted to the single currency.  There were daily limits on doing that before their version of our &#8220;Currency transaction report&#8221; was issued.  It was a real burden having to go to the bank every day for months to convert enough &#8220;mattress money&#8221; to stay below that reporting threshold. When they ran out of time, they went to real estate transactions where the agreed-upon price was reduced.  The real price was made up &#8220;under the table&#8221; when the lawyer went to the bathroom.</p>
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		<title>By: landowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>landowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So make smokes (for example) 10$ per pack and wonder why...

Underground economies exist to fill a void in a free market society. So make your stupid little rules and tax everything to death and watch what we do. Simple, easy (too easy for a lib).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So make smokes (for example) 10$ per pack and wonder why&#8230;</p>
<p>Underground economies exist to fill a void in a free market society. So make your stupid little rules and tax everything to death and watch what we do. Simple, easy (too easy for a lib).</p>
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		<title>By: Deafdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deafdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Are we experiencing an off-the-books boom?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No.  next question?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are we experiencing an off-the-books boom?</p></blockquote>
<p>No.  next question?</p>
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		<title>By: Fleuries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fleuries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are liberals. They vote for Obama and think taxes are for everyone else. They don&#039;t pay S/E Medicare, Medicaid, on the money they make. They don&#039;t pay the S/E on their babysitters wages. They don&#039;t put that money on an income tax that they might need to sign up for benefits, or college tuition. There is a huge underground economy.

And then there is the economy that runs on abuse of the EBT card.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are liberals. They vote for Obama and think taxes are for everyone else. They don&#8217;t pay S/E Medicare, Medicaid, on the money they make. They don&#8217;t pay the S/E on their babysitters wages. They don&#8217;t put that money on an income tax that they might need to sign up for benefits, or college tuition. There is a huge underground economy.</p>
<p>And then there is the economy that runs on abuse of the EBT card.</p>
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		<title>By: DanMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In September 2009 Obama put a 30% tax on imported tires and the price of my US made BF Goodrich truck tires went up the same amount the very next day. Haven&#039;t bought any since.  Don&#039;t know about the people that gave me those brand new BF Goodrich tires I have but I assume Obama is getting his tax...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In September 2009 Obama put a 30% tax on imported tires and the price of my US made BF Goodrich truck tires went up the same amount the very next day. Haven&#8217;t bought any since.  Don&#8217;t know about the people that gave me those brand new BF Goodrich tires I have but I assume Obama is getting his tax&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Medbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree.  The underground economy is a good thing.  It starves government of cash and forces it to face it&#039;s problems earlier.  There may be some downsides, but if you buy into the &quot;lost revenue&quot; argument then you are half way to Bat-Crap Leftist crazy.  What do you call a dollar saved from the pinch of Uncle Sam?  A full dollar&#039;s benefit for a full dollar&#039;s work.

If Government were even to the level of &quot;average&quot; or above, then you MIGHT possibly make the argument of &quot;stealing&quot;.  Conversely, if the decisions are &quot;Where&#039;s Moochie&quot;, or F16s for the Muslim Brotherhood, or Solyndra, then the problem never even approaches the radar.

There is really no excuse for the way that Government is behaving, so it deserves a spanking.  That&#039;s what we just tried (to the tune of a 2.8% decrease in the rate of increase) and the kid threw a fit!  Stomping it&#039;s feet on top of White House tours, kicking over Tuition Assistance for Military, and biting essential personnel with furloughs.
Nope!  Meltdown happened right in the middle of the living room, where all the breakables are.  Totally spared the toys in their room; the EPA, and SEIU forces.

IMHO, we need to take away ALL the allowance and force them to sit in their rooms.  The &quot;Grey Market&quot; is the LEAST of our worries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.  The underground economy is a good thing.  It starves government of cash and forces it to face it&#8217;s problems earlier.  There may be some downsides, but if you buy into the &#8220;lost revenue&#8221; argument then you are half way to Bat-Crap Leftist crazy.  What do you call a dollar saved from the pinch of Uncle Sam?  A full dollar&#8217;s benefit for a full dollar&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>If Government were even to the level of &#8220;average&#8221; or above, then you MIGHT possibly make the argument of &#8220;stealing&#8221;.  Conversely, if the decisions are &#8220;Where&#8217;s Moochie&#8221;, or F16s for the Muslim Brotherhood, or Solyndra, then the problem never even approaches the radar.</p>
<p>There is really no excuse for the way that Government is behaving, so it deserves a spanking.  That&#8217;s what we just tried (to the tune of a 2.8% decrease in the rate of increase) and the kid threw a fit!  Stomping it&#8217;s feet on top of White House tours, kicking over Tuition Assistance for Military, and biting essential personnel with furloughs.<br />
Nope!  Meltdown happened right in the middle of the living room, where all the breakables are.  Totally spared the toys in their room; the EPA, and SEIU forces.</p>
<p>IMHO, we need to take away ALL the allowance and force them to sit in their rooms.  The &#8220;Grey Market&#8221; is the LEAST of our worries.</p>
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		<title>By: LooseCannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>LooseCannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;GWB on March 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed!  And I thought &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; was overly optimistic!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>GWB on March 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed!  And I thought <em>I</em> was overly optimistic!</p>
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		<title>By: jake49</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it&#039;s the underground economy of trading in food stamps and EBT card for cash. feh. 47 million, remember?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s the underground economy of trading in food stamps and EBT card for cash. feh. 47 million, remember?</p>
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		<title>By: GWB</title>
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		<dc:creator>GWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Right now, the average worker simply sees his net pay, after taxes have already been deducted.

LooseCannon on March 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Which is why I advocate - since we can&#039;t get rid of the national income tax and return it to the states (where it belongs) very easily - the elimination of withholding, and the payment of federal taxes on the Friday before the Tuesday of election day. We might see some shifts in attitudes, then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Right now, the average worker simply sees his net pay, after taxes have already been deducted.</p>
<p>LooseCannon on March 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is why I advocate &#8211; since we can&#8217;t get rid of the national income tax and return it to the states (where it belongs) very easily &#8211; the elimination of withholding, and the payment of federal taxes on the Friday before the Tuesday of election day. We might see some shifts in attitudes, then.</p>
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		<title>By: GarandFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>GarandFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;When your teenager starts wearing expensive clothes and flashing bling he couldn’t possibly afford through his part-time job, you start to wonder where the money is coming from. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Drug money]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When your teenager starts wearing expensive clothes and flashing bling he couldn’t possibly afford through his part-time job, you start to wonder where the money is coming from. </p></blockquote>
<p>Drug money</p>
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		<title>By: PoliTech</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliTech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A retired fireman collects his pension (at 55 no less) and also works for cash (and just applied for another government job).  Another is collecting disability, and works for cash. Still another is on her 99 weeks unemployment and working for cash. That&#039;s no black market economy, it&#039;s just plain old double dipping ... Some families have quit making mortgage payments altogether and just dare the bank to evict them, which hasn&#039;t happened ... going on three years now. Yay for disposable income.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A retired fireman collects his pension (at 55 no less) and also works for cash (and just applied for another government job).  Another is collecting disability, and works for cash. Still another is on her 99 weeks unemployment and working for cash. That&#8217;s no black market economy, it&#8217;s just plain old double dipping &#8230; Some families have quit making mortgage payments altogether and just dare the bank to evict them, which hasn&#8217;t happened &#8230; going on three years now. Yay for disposable income.</p>
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		<title>By: LooseCannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>LooseCannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, one of the really beneficial effects of a consumption tax, instead of the income tax, is that if those in government want more to spend, they will have to embrace policies that engender growth and prosperity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, one of the really beneficial effects of a consumption tax, instead of the income tax, is that if those in government want more to spend, they will have to embrace policies that engender growth and prosperity.</p>
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		<title>By: echosyst</title>
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		<dc:creator>echosyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heaven forbid people should trade goods and services without government authorization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heaven forbid people should trade goods and services without government authorization.</p>
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		<title>By: LooseCannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>LooseCannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Dusty on March 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree that the objective should not be more revenue, but less government.  That said, I stand by my argument that the high visibility of a consumption tax would exert pressure to keep the rates as low as possible.  Coupling this with spending limitations, (balanced budget, base next year&#039;s spending on last year&#039;s revenue, etc.), would go a long way toward forcing budget responsibility.

Right now, the average worker simply sees his net pay, after taxes have already been deducted.  With a consumption tax, that worker would see a greater amount in his paycheck, and have to watch it go out a piece at a time with every purchase made.  I can think of no better way to make the average Joe more acutely aware of, and promote his objection to, the profligacy of government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dusty on March 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree that the objective should not be more revenue, but less government.  That said, I stand by my argument that the high visibility of a consumption tax would exert pressure to keep the rates as low as possible.  Coupling this with spending limitations, (balanced budget, base next year&#8217;s spending on last year&#8217;s revenue, etc.), would go a long way toward forcing budget responsibility.</p>
<p>Right now, the average worker simply sees his net pay, after taxes have already been deducted.  With a consumption tax, that worker would see a greater amount in his paycheck, and have to watch it go out a piece at a time with every purchase made.  I can think of no better way to make the average Joe more acutely aware of, and promote his objection to, the profligacy of government.</p>
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		<title>By: astonerii</title>
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		<dc:creator>astonerii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Its not an off-the books boom its folks raiding their retirement accts and burning up the credit cards

NY Conservative on March 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m paying off my credit cards. I did raid my retirement account. At least my official one, to minimally help pay for my move to a new job.

Maybe I should join the underground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Its not an off-the books boom its folks raiding their retirement accts and burning up the credit cards</p>
<p>NY Conservative on March 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m paying off my credit cards. I did raid my retirement account. At least my official one, to minimally help pay for my move to a new job.</p>
<p>Maybe I should join the underground.</p>
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		<title>By: NY Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>NY Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its not an off-the books boom its folks raiding their retirement accts and burning up the credit cards]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not an off-the books boom its folks raiding their retirement accts and burning up the credit cards</p>
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