Reports: Bipartisan Senate immigration proposal will grant citizenship to illegals in 13 years

posted at 12:01 pm on March 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

So say the NYT and WaPo. Obama’s own immigration proposal, by contrast, imagines citizenship for illegals in, er … 13 years. So that’s what having four Republicans in the “Gang of Eight” gets you — the same basic scheme as our very liberal president.

Cory Booker should be ready to run by 2028, so there you go. You’re welcome, Cory.

The arrangement would shrink the amount of time it takes to become a naturalized citizen, to three years from five years. But in an appeal to Republicans, it would also extend to 10 years, from 8, the amount of time that illegal immigrants must wait before receiving permission to work in the United States permanently…

Among those obstacles is a continuing concern among Republicans that a three-year naturalization process for illegal immigrants could give them a faster path to citizenship than people who enter legally. One possible solution, officials said, would be to reduce the wait for citizenship to three years for everyone. But they said the agreement could still unravel.

“We can’t create a system where it’s faster for illegal immigrants than for legal immigrants,” said one Republican familiar with the internal debate who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “Republicans are clear that they are not going to create a special pathway to citizenship.”…

And as a side benefit, waiting a decade would mean that the costs of the overhaul would not kick in until the second decade because illegal immigrants do not qualify for government benefits until after they earn green cards. That means the 10-year cost estimates by the Congressional Budget Office would not include the expense of those benefits.

The cost of ObamaCare was gamed in a similar way. With O-Care, Democrats needed a way in 2010 to push the 10-year cost of the bill under a trillion dollars so that it’d be easier for the public to swallow. Solution: Postpone the start of the program until 2014, thereby rendering the cost for 2011, 2012, and 2013 effectively zero. In this case they’re pushing the total costs of new entitlements for illegals entirely out of that 10-year window, with the full brunt to hit circa 2026 — right as America’s long-awaited entitlement-driven debt crisis is hitting full force.

As for the timeline, Obama’s immigration plan imagines a green card in eight years and citizenship in five. Senate Democrats agreed to make the green-card period for this bill 10 years so that Rubio and McCain could treat us like idiots in arguing that they’d won some big concession. In fact, here’s what Rubio wrote at Red State back in January:

First, those who have violated our immigration laws must come forward and undergo a background check. If they have committed a serious crime, they will be deported. If they have not, they will have two choices. They can avail themselves of the current law which requires them to return to their native country, wait ten years and then apply for a green card. Or if they decide to remain in the United States, they will do so under the equivalent of a non-immigrant work permit by paying a substantial fine and back taxes. If they choose the non-immigrant work visa, they will not qualify for any federal benefits, including ObamaCare.

Those who choose the non-immigrant work permit will not be allowed to apply for a green card for a substantial period of time. And they will not be allowed to apply until the enforcement mechanisms outlined above are in place. Thereafter, once these conditions are met, and if they have not violated any laws while holding the work permit, the only thing they will be allowed to do is apply for a green card using the same process everyone else uses. That is, they apply, they wait in line behind everyone who has applied before them and when their turn comes up, they have to qualify for one of the existing green card programs.

I reasoned the next day that “substantial period of time” must mean a period considerably longer than 10 years. Otherwise, what incentive is there to choose the first option Rubio offers? If you’re getting a green card in the same amount of time no matter whether you stay in America or you leave, then there’s no incentive to leave. And yet that’s where we are today. The “substantial period of time” is the same period as the normal green-card period. And unless Congress tweaks the law so that legal immigrants can apply for citizenship in three years instead of five — which Dems will be happy to spearhead, I assume — then illegals will actually reach citizenship faster than legal immigrants will.

The only hitch is that illegals might have to wait an extra year or two for the green-card process to begin if Rubio gets his way by insisting that border-enforcement improvements be put in place before anything related to citizenship starts happening. But that’s still an open question, and meanwhile Rubio’s continuing to work on the bill and to lend his conservative cred to the compromises they’re reaching. What if they hammer out a final deal on the remaining issues — guest-worker program, visas, E-verify — and then Democrats turn around and declare that there’s no way they’ll make the citizenship process contingent upon border security as a trigger? Rubio might walk away at that point, but so what? They’ll have a bill that’ll have his support on every major plank except that one, and there are probably seven or eight Republican squishes in the Senate who’ll vote for it regardless. McCain, Graham, Collins, Murkowski — you know the names by now. In fact, the RNC’s new “autopsy” released today fully endorses comprehensive immigration reform as a partial solution to the party’s woes. Pro-amnesty Republicans have plenty of cover on this from the top. The only question is whether there are enough of them who think they can survive primary challenges to join Reid and Schumer on passing the bill.

In case you missed the previous 800 iterations of this argument, here’s Matthew Cooper at National Journal once again reminding Republicans that Latinos are solidly liberal on the issues and not likely to switch to the GOP anytime soon.


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lm10001 on March 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM

The GOP wants more liberal Latinos to jump on the entitlement wagon. It means bigger government in perpetuity.

RedRedRice on March 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

NO. FLIPPING. WAY.

John the Libertarian on March 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

While in Jerusalem, Obama will be traveling in a large armored tank-like vehicle which the SS refers to as “The Beast”. I kid you not.

tommyboy on March 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

whoops, wrong thread.

tommyboy on March 18, 2013 at 12:06 PM

immigration proposal will grant citizenship to illegals in 13 years

This bill guts U.S. immigration laws and grants INSTANT AMNESTY to illegals – the same basic scheme as our very liberal president.

Pork-Chop on March 18, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Limbaugh had it right many moons ago.

Give them amnesty now, in exchange for their suspension to vote for twenty years.

Let’s see how many really want to be citizens.

budfox on March 18, 2013 at 12:07 PM

What if I had told you on November 5th that not only would Obama win but the GOP would conclude that it was because we were too conservative?

Kataklysmic on March 18, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Anyone who thinks the GOP is worth saving at this point is fooling themselves or they’re lying. Rubio should go back to Cuba and ask to be a Castro mistress. What a loser.

Flange on March 18, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Conservatives no longer have a political party. Welcome to the one party rule of dem and dem lite.

voiceofreason on March 18, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Gee, and the audience at CPAC was “overwhelmingly young Conservative voters” and Rubio placed second in the straw poll.

Go figure.

Marcus on March 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Gee, Marco Rinio didn’t mention it at CPAC.

LetsBfrank on March 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM

This very well could be the instant political death of Rubio. How he doesn’t see that he is being used, doesn’t speak of him very well.
The handwriting was on the wall when he started hanging with McLame & Lindsey Lohan Graham.

De Oppresso Liber on March 18, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Welcome to the end of America as we know it.

karenhasfreedom on March 18, 2013 at 12:14 PM

The GOPe is not worth saving.

L.t.B. (Let them Burn)…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Look for people like Rush, Rand Paul and others to call for a third party in the next 30 days.The GOB is dead and gone forever.

logman1 on March 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Re-submitted from the headlines section.

No.

Still waiting on word for how granting the current illegals a legal status will not result in millions upon millions of new illegals.

Also, is it 10 years starting from today, or is it that they have to prove they have been here 10 years?

Then there is the new mad rush for people to get into the country to start their 10 year clock ticking.

And, during that 10 years they are here illegally, if we catch them, do we let them go to finish their illegal 10 years? Are they receiving entitlements, public schooling, medical care during this time? Are they working illegally? Are we citing and fining the employers?

In what universe is this considered an intelligent policy? In what way is this good policy for the U.S.? I understand it may be good policy for the illegals and it is certainly great political strategy for the dems – who the illegals turned citizens will overwhelmingly vote for. But exactly what benefit does the U.S. derive out of making millions of uneducated, unskilled people legal immigrants and impliedly inviting millions upon millions more uneducated, unskilled people to come here illegally? How is that good policy?

If America needs immigrants – fine. State that and change the immigration laws so that we allow more people to immigrate here legally that we do background checks on, make sure are educated and can earn enough to take care of themselves and their families with no gov’t handouts. You know, make a legitimate, rational policy and then actually apply that policy through laws and enforcement.

It is not as if the illegals who are currently here are the only possible immigrants we can get. If we want more immigration, we can open up the spigot and get as many people as we want, and we can set our standards quite a bit higher than unskilled, uneducated people.

The fact that we don’t do that and only talk about the illegals makes it clear that this is all about politics and has nothing to do with what is good for the U.S. in the long run. And, that makes the GOP the stupidest people on earth. Hispanics are never going to vote for the GOP in a majority. So, the more we agree to give the vote to, the less likely the GOP will win elections. The idea that granting some form of amnesty will change that result is sheer lunacy and not supported by an iota of evidence.

Monkeytoe on March 18, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Citizenship needs to be granted NEVER!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM

As for the timeline, Obama’s immigration plan imagines a green card in eight years and citizenship in five

I know and work with lots of legal immigrants who have had to wait a buttload longer than that to receive a green card and/or apply for citizenship. So we’re rewarding law-breaking border jumpers with better incentives than we give to highly educated, hard working people who follow all of the rules to come in. I dunno, but if I were a legal immigrant, I’d want to turn DC into a parking lot without letting the “law makers” leave the area first.

Physics Geek on March 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM

The 1986 Amnesty worked so well.

Let’s do it again!

portlandon on March 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM

NO

stenwin77 on March 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Gee, and the audience at CPAC was “overwhelmingly young Conservative voters” and Rubio placed second in the straw poll.

Go figure.

Marcus on March 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I was actually surprised how close Rubio was to Paul in the straw poll. That does suggest that Rubio has strength.

And this whole immigration thing is why I’m completely convinced that AP thinks that the Republican Party is doomed. Mitt Romney got 70% of the white vote and still lost. The Republican Party if it keeps going down the same path isn’t going to win another Presidential election ever again. They better find some way to get 40% of the Latino vote going forward or they’ll be relegated to Whig status.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I agree to a point, that the NEVER should be for illegals!

But anyone coming in legally should be allowed to get their citizenship…

Just saying there alt!!

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Rubio must take better care who to stand near in these photos. Senators Schumer and McLame are not photo-worthy companions.

joecollins on March 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM

The only hitch is that illegals might have to wait an extra year or two for the green-card process to begin if Rubio gets his way by insisting that border-enforcement improvements be put in place before anything related to citizenship starts happening. But that’s still an open question, and meanwhile Rubio’s continuing to work on the bill and to lend his conservative cred to the compromises they’re reaching. What if they hammer out a final deal on the remaining issues — guest-worker program, visas, E-verify — and then Democrats turn around and declare that there’s no way they’ll make the citizenship process contingent upon border security as a trigger? Rubio might walk away at that point, but so what? They’ll have a bill that’ll have his support on every major plank except that one, and there are probably seven or eight Republican squishes in the Senate who’ll vote for it regardless. McCain, Graham, Collins, Murkowski — you know the names by now.

The Democrat game plan from the beginning. Get some kind of GOP cover then change the rules of the game (which low-info types will never know about). Amnesty in a few simple steps.

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Limbaugh had it right many moons ago.

Give them amnesty now, in exchange for their suspension to vote for twenty years.

budfox on March 18, 2013 at 12:07 PM

#1 It’s not going to happen.
#2 Do you really believe this will stand up in a court dominated by liberal judges?

bw222 on March 18, 2013 at 12:28 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I agree to a point, that the NEVER should be for illegals!

But anyone coming in legally should be allowed to get their citizenship…

Just saying there alt!!

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 12:26 PM

I think that’s what alt meant.

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Mitt Romney got 70% of the white vote and still lost.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Actually 59%.

Jon0815 on March 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

This very well could be the instant political death of Rubio. How he doesn’t see that he is being used, doesn’t speak of him very well.
The handwriting was on the wall when he started hanging with McLame & Lindsey Lohan Graham.

De Oppresso Liber on March 18, 2013 at 12:14 PM

.
Well…..
In 2016 Rubio will have to run somewhere. He won his seat in 2010 with only 48-49% of the vote against an awful Dem candidate and a turncoat Charlie Crist for opposition- a pretty freakin weak field NOT to get over 50%- and that was the height of Anti-Ocommie sentiment in our world…. Rubio IS NOT a shoo-in for a re-elect (anyway).

Florida dems run an Female Hispanic for Senate in 2016- Rubio’s goose is cooked anyway, as a Senator.
Just sayin, not hatin.

FlaMurph on March 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Let. It. Burn.

BigGator5 on March 18, 2013 at 12:30 PM

God, I hate Windows 8. Can’t even type a comment and then it disappears. I’ll try again.

What don’t they (repubs) understand about securing the borders first? Then crack down on the employers who hire them. Use E-verify to ensure proper SSN’s are used. Then round them up and deport them. I’ve said this before and I’m going to say it again; if they think that they can confiscate 300 million guns, they can surely find 20 million illegals. Besides, if they secure the border and crack down on the employers, they will self-deport.

Mirimichi on March 18, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I think that’s what alt meant.

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

That’s what I meant.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 18, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Whatever. They’re just polishing brass on the Titanic.

Let it… er, sink.

Midas on March 18, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I was actually surprised how close Rubio was to Paul in the straw poll. That does suggest that Rubio has strength.

And this whole immigration thing is why I’m completely convinced that AP thinks that the Republican Party is doomed. Mitt Romney got 70% of the white vote and still lost. The Republican Party if it keeps going down the same path isn’t going to win another Presidential election ever again. They better find some way to get 40% of the Latino vote going forward or they’ll be relegated to Whig status.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Hey get a clue and I don’t just mean you. The GOP is part of a good cop bad cop routine that has played out in politics for the last couple of decades. The elite are going to shove socialized tyranny down your throat whether you like it or not and this immigration thing is part of making that happen.

bgibbs1000 on March 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

karenhasfreedom on March 18, 2013 at 12:14 PM

You are late. That happened on Nov 6, 2012.

And yes, I agree with the majority that the GOP echelon is plain stupid to think that by going along with amnesty they will gain some voters. They won’t. They will lose voters by the boatload. Illegals aren’t going to become conservatives. They will vote for the gravy train to continue.

It’s still overwhelming to me to think that these butt head “lawmakers” want We the People to suck down that “the US is a nation of laws” and then pull this stunt of making lawbreakers sudden “citizens”. But then these same “representatives” who make “laws” are the same people who have totally ignored the shredding of our nation’s Constitution and BHO goes merrily on his way. Fast and Furious – nothing. Benghazi – nothing. BHO new executive laws – nothing. Dealing with illegals being turned lose by the THOUSANDS – nothing.

katablog.com on March 18, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Mirimichi on March 18, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Reward illegal acts then try to stop future illegal acts with a wall. LOL

We need to toss them out and do an ID card.

Securing the borders will not work since it is a political and technical challenge and will resemble our keeping drugs out.

They will come by air or boat next. Have you noticed the amount of shore line down there?

Moreover, we will have another 15 million up here before you can say : Bilingual Ballots.

IlikedAUH2O on March 18, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I dunno, but if I were a legal immigrant, I’d want to turn DC into a parking lot without letting the “law makers” leave the area first.

Physics Geek on March 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I was born here, and that’s my fervent prayer several times a day, frankly.

Midas on March 18, 2013 at 12:37 PM

FlaMurph on March 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

He won a three way race by nearly 20% of the vote over Charlie Crist, the incombent governor. Saying his goose is cooked in Florida for reelection is like saying that Bill Clinton wouldn’t win reelection because he only won 43% of the vote in a three way race in 1992.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

#1. Straw polls are pretty much meaningless. Ron Paul won CPAC straw polls several years running and Michele Bachmann won the Iowa straw poll. I don’t remember voting for either in the GE. In the past Ron Paul has actually people in to cast straw votes for him.
#2. You continue to refuse to learn from history. Reagan signed the amnesty in 1986. In 1988, Bush41 (more pro-Hispanic than Reagan) received a smaller percentage of the Hispanic vote than Reagan got in 1984. And, Bush was running against Michael f#kin’ Dukakis. Many Hispanics vote for “free stuff.”

bw222 on March 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Oh and BTW, stop trying to pick Republican candidates – Karl Rove has announced that’s his job.

katablog.com on March 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Actually 59%.

Jon0815 on March 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Whatever it was it is about as much of the white vote as he can expect to get.. Limosine liberals in Seattle and New York aren’t going to suddenly vote Republican.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Insane. In 13 years then we are done as a party. It’s not going to get us a single Hispanic vote. It’s appeasement, and we know how that works. It doesn’t get respect, that’s for sure. In 13 years we won’t have two parties anymore. Well, we’ll have the Dems, and Socialists. That’ll be it. And in 13 years they’ll be another Amnesty debate. And another amnesty.

anotherJoe on March 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Give them amnesty now, in exchange for their suspension to vote for twenty years.

Let’s see how many really want to be citizens.

budfox on March 18, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I would argue if you are going to give them citizenship, then I would consider them violent criminals who are not allowed to own guns or vote for their entire lives, and their first generation of kids would be given the same mark.

astonerii on March 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM

And there goes the last reason to vote GOP.

Aitch748 on March 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM

And this whole immigration thing is why I’m completely convinced that AP thinks that the Republican Party is doomed. Mitt Romney got 70% of the white vote and still lost.
Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Lay off the bath salts! That is a complete hallucination that Romney got 70% of the white vote. He would have won in a landslide if that were true. The truth is Romney could have captured 50% of the hispanic vote in every swing state that he lost and it still wouldn’t have made a difference. I do agree that we need better outreach going forward(not amnesty). As a businessman Romney knew that Obamacare would result in work hours being cut and that is one area he could have focused on in the immigrant community which is over represented in the food service industry.

Wigglesworth on March 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Oh for Christ Sakes. Walk away, Rubio. NOW.

cdog0613 on March 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM

IlikedAUH2O on March 18, 2013 at 12:37 PM

That isn’t what I meant at all.

Mirimichi on March 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Whatever it was it is about as much of the white vote as he can expect to get.. Limosine liberals in Seattle and New York aren’t going to suddenly vote Republican.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM

But you’ve conned yourself into thinking that this “immigration proposal” will gain the GOP minority votes. It won’t.

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM
annoyinglittletwerp on March 18, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Sorry, don’t want to make seem like I was picking on alt…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Then round them up and deport them. I’ve said this before and I’m going to say it again; if they think that they can confiscate 300 million guns, they can surely find 20 million illegals.

Ah, the images of the cattle cars again and the torn crying families. There’s a sure fire election winner.

Marcus on March 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

#1. Straw polls are pretty much meaningless. Ron Paul won CPAC straw polls several years running and Michele Bachmann won the Iowa straw poll. I don’t remember voting for either in the GE. In the past Ron Paul has actually people in to cast straw votes for him.

Rand Paul has strentgh among the college Libertarian set that casts votes, so it is to no surprise that he won. The fact that he didn’t poll as highly as his dad suggests that either Team Rubio bussed in supporters or he has a pretty good base of support in the grassroots. I’m thinking the latter.

#2. You continue to refuse to learn from history. Reagan signed the amnesty in 1986. In 1988, Bush41 (more pro-Hispanic than Reagan) received a smaller percentage of the Hispanic vote than Reagan got in 1984. And, Bush was running against Michael f#kin’ Dukakis. Many Hispanics vote for “free stuff.”

Or how about learning a little electoral history.. Reagan won the 1984 election by a 59% and 49 state blowout. Bush was running for Reagan’s third term. It is extremely difficult for incumbent parties to get third terms. Clinton had a 60% approval rating in 2000 and Gore still err tied with Dubya. 41 was always going to poll less well in every demographic area than Reagan did. 41 also won a lower percentage of the white vote than Reagan in 1984.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

But you’ve conned yourself into thinking that this “immigration proposal” will gain the GOP minority votes. It won’t.

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM

So I guess that you agree with AP that the Republicans are never going to win another Presidential election.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

RNC: Republicans Should Embrace and Champion Amnesty Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/rnc-republicans-should-embrace-and-champion-immigration-reform/article/2524627

bw222 on March 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Ah, the images of the cattle cars again and the torn crying families. There’s a sure fire election winner.

Marcus on March 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Yes.. That’ll play well with moderate white voters in Hamilton County, OH.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

T

hat’ll be it. And in 13 years they’ll be another Amnesty debate. And another amnesty.

anotherJoe on March 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Immmigration “reform” is going to fix our immmigration problem in the same way healthcare “reform” is fixing our healthcare problem. It will only make it worse. In 10 years we will have 5 million more illegal aliens, but we won’t be able to talk about it because that would be intolerant. The welfare state is going to explode even more than it already has. Large companies will benefit from cheap labor, but it will be more than offset by food stamps, section 8, WIC, and Obamacare.

Wigglesworth on March 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

John McCain et al.: the Neville Chamberlains of immigration.

BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

anotherJoe on March 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM

And there goes the whole neighbourhood…

In 13 years America will be unrecognizable…

In 30 to 50 years latinos take over…

They won…

Spanish will be the language of the

Nuevo Estados Unidos de América…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Then round them up and deport them. I’ve said this before and I’m going to say it again; if they think that they can confiscate 300 million guns, they can surely find 20 million illegals.

Ah, the images of the cattle cars again and the torn crying families. There’s a sure fire election winner.

Marcus on March 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Nice strawman.

And afterall, we wouldn’t want people to have to live with the consequences of their actions/decisions.

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

OK, if we go with this will we have to do it again in 20 years? When these amnestied citizens are allowed to vote, will they be able to re-amnesty the new illegals?

ninjapirate on March 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Citizenship needs to be granted NEVER!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Heh! You tell em girl!!

ToddPA on March 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Ann Coulter was absolutely right when she said that amnesty would make the US another California and the GOP could forget about winning any more elections.

The fact is that opportunists will always vote for the democrats who secure those votes with handouts. Illegal aliens are the quintessential opportunists. Making them legal will allow these same opportunists the vote, they’ll seek to further undermine the rule of law in immigration and other issues as well, and in turn only encourage more foreign nationals to come to this country at will and seek to get in on the gravy train. If you doubt any of this, take a close look at the governance, economy, and current population of California.

I believe that the GOP and the Democrats are well aware of this. I believe, given the state of affairs and current evidence, that the political class in this nation has embarked on rank, calculated, colonialism.

They seek to engulf Mexico, Central, and South America, and even Canada and they are using illegal immigration, encouraged through a porous border and repeat amnesties ( both formal and de facto) tolerance of illegal aliens working at will in our nation, provision for, and accommodation of, Spanish speakers in all walks of life, and ‘partnering’ with these same foreign nations to enroll their citizens on our welfare programs, to do so. This would allow the very wealthy, the industrial and corporate entities, and the political class itself to co-opt the resources of these nations, as well as insuring that their unskilled and low skilled workers would be a continuing source of cheap labor. In the case of Canada, most of the pressure has been exerted through trade and business through various means like the XL Keystone Pipeline project, and others.

Instead of using military means to subjugate these sovereign nation, the political class and their industrial, corporate, and political donor masters have simply put out the welcome mat to the poor and criminal classes of our neighbors, thus allowing those nations to relieve themselves of the burden of dealing with their own poor, unemployed, unemployable, and criminal classes, in effect exporting these problems to the US. They are this nation’s problem now. In seeking to ‘deal with the problem of illegal immigration’ the new partnerships with the governments of our neighbors are forged. The payoff for saddling the American citizens and LEGAL immigrants with this ever increasing burden has been access to resources and business interests in those nations.

There are those in these nations who recognize this destruction of borders and independence for what it is. The rallying cry of illegal aliens that ‘America is not a nation. It is a continent.’ was born of a sense of this reality and a blank statement of the intent to effectively merge these nations into an aggregate of nation states similar to the EU.

It’s ironic that the democrats, the liberals and progressives, are the main supporters and salesmen of this de facto colonization of our sovereign neighbors because it insures they will become indentured servants to the needs of this nation for many decades to come.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

So I guess that you agree with AP that the Republicans are never going to win another Presidential election.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

No, I don’t.

But Hispandering with amnesty just leads to even more Democrat voters.

They’re not going to vote GOP just because we go along with giving the illegals a path to citizenship. They’ll still vote for the welfare state.

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Or if they decide to remain in the United States, they will do so under the equivalent of a non-immigrant work permit by paying a substantial fine and back taxes. If they choose the non-immigrant work visa, they will not qualify for any federal benefits, including ObamaCare.

Giving illegal aliens a “non-immigrant work permit” will make illegal aliens “legally present” in the U.S.

The Obamacare law explicitly provides that any person legally present in the U.S. is eligible for the taxpayer-funded health insurance subsidies.

So the promises about illegals not being able to qualify for taxpayer-funded welfare federal benefits such as Obamacare under the proposed amnesty plan(s) is false.

The politicians haven’t even finalized the amnesty plan(s), and they’re already lying about what is in them.

AZCoyote on March 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Utterly wrong. And primarily why I’ll never support Marc Rubio for the Presidency, Vice Presidency or anything else.

Same goes for Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham. If I could take back the one vote I cast for John McCain, after being mobbed by his supporters crapping all over me and my views leading up to that vote — I voted for him anyway because I can’t vote Democrat and would never vote for Obama but McCain did not merit my vote — I would.

The GOP is just wrong, wrong, wrong on this issue. What they’re doing is trying to get out in front of the DNC by acting More-Democrat than the Democrats: it’s vote pandering and worse, it’s failed vote pandering because all this deed will accomplish, if passed (their amnesty plan), will be they’ll lose even more votes AND registered voters.

This is the one issue (well, maybe one of the two issues) that will have me re-registering as Independent and dropping my Republican registration.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

What tafj said!!

I couldn’t have said it better :-)

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

voiceofreason on March 18, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Well, you could check out the Conservative Party USA

psrch on March 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

those that scoff at deporting illegals have fallen into the liberals argument which is WRONG. Don’t need no cattle cars or any other transportation. Simply shut down the value that provides them benefits from the taxpayers, use e-verify, require birth certificates to get into schools, hold employers responsible, don’t turn thousands lose when Big Sis gets in a snit, require document checks for all non-citizens, let the border patrol do their job.

Illegals will self deport when we shut off the money tap. There’s no point being here if you can’t get a job, don’t get food stamps, housing and can’t put the kids in school.

katablog.com on March 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

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Forget Clinton reelection – Without Perot- Clinton most likely loses his first election shot in a one-on-one race. (I had to check- Clinton won by 5 million votes – Perot got 19 million votes, in a 2 on 1 duel)
You’re making my case with the Slick Willie analogy.

Bototm line, If the Dems run anyone decent for Senate, Rubio will be fighting for his political life. If they run an Hispanic person who would bleed of more votes than he could afford to lose, – he is toast.

And our other Senator is a very secure liberal Democrat who does not have those worries about keeping his seat, as Rubio does.

Florida is a very blue shade of purple.

(Sorry to say, but just sayin again, not Hatin)

FlaMurph on March 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

…So the promises about illegals not being able to qualify for taxpayer-funded welfare federal benefits such as Obamacare under the proposed amnesty plan(s) is false.

The politicians haven’t even finalized the amnesty plan(s), and they’re already lying about what is in them.

AZCoyote on March 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

This is one of those issues that really shows the ethical corruption of people in DC. At least we get to see who they are, or at least, some of them, by way of this issue.

It betrays all their highly practiced camera-ready, combed and polished performances and that’s the only advantage I can see coming from this issue, that we as citizens can see more clearly who some of these creeps are.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Processing immigrant visa claims for 11 million people is no more feasible than deporting 11 million people in “cattle cars” so let’s not pretend that since instant deportation is not feasible that instant amnesty is just a snap of the finger. I just want the laws enforced and a robust fence built. Over time the problem will gradually heal itself. We can do some type of guest worker permit for maybe 100k undocumented people per year so it won’t impact immigrants who are waiting their turn for a visa.

Wigglesworth on March 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Bototm line, If the Dems run anyone decent for Senate, Rubio will be fighting for his political life. If they run an Hispanic person who would bleed of more votes than he could afford to lose, – he is toast.

And our other Senator is a very secure liberal Democrat who does not have those worries about keeping his seat, as Rubio does.

Florida is a very blue shade of purple.

(Sorry to say, but just sayin again, not Hatin)

FlaMurph on March 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Yes. And once again, we see Republicans, so-called, working to elect Democrats. Just like McCain worked to elect Obama.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

That NYT’s picture of Rubio next to McCain and Schumer is disgusting.

NeoKong on March 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

The GOP wants more liberal Latinos to jump on the entitlement wagon. It means bigger government in perpetuity.

RedRedRice on March 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

And GOP minority status in Congress in perpetuity.

With the re-election of a Communist, and with the pending election of any other Communist, that the Democrats care to vomit up, in 2016 -

America is ripe for dictatorship.

The majority of the People want and need to be controlled, dictated to, forced and ordered … and, in return, the State will love them.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 18, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Thanks, Scrumpy. :)

It’s a sad state of affairs and an indication of how far we’ve deteriorated as a nation that it has come to this in a nation that was predicated on adherence to and regard for The Rule of Law.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That should just at explain why things are the way they are.

bgibbs1000 on March 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Processing immigrant visa claims for 11 million people is no more feasible than deporting 11 million people in “cattle cars”…

Wigglesworth on March 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

No one’s even considering using “cattle cars.”

Illegal aliens get a nice, air-conditioned, well piloted, clean and comfy airplane ride, paid for by the US taxpayers.

They can be deported. The point isn’t, “can they be” or not, but our laws: are we going to enforce them or not?

Just because something’s difficult is no reason not to do it.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

And this whole immigration thing is why I’m completely convinced that AP thinks that the Republican Party is doomed. Mitt Romney got 70% of the white vote and still lost. The Republican Party if it keeps going down the same path isn’t going to win another Presidential election ever again. They better find some way to get 40% of the Latino vote going forward or they’ll be relegated to Whig status.

Illinidiva on March 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

If Romney won 70% of Whites he would have won the elections very easily. He only won 59% of Whites, which still higher than any other candidate since Reagan 1984 but it was not enough… I agree that we should get 40% of Latinos voting for us and with 60% of Whites voting for us then the Republican candidate would certainly win the Presidency…

However granting citizenship to illegal immigrants is not the answer to this and in fact it is certain to make us lose all future elections. Illegal immigrants must never be granted citizenship… The best they can get is working visa that can be renewed every five year with a fee and they cannot get any government benefits…

mnjg on March 18, 2013 at 1:04 PM

And now we see the entire goal coming to fruition of the massive flood of illegal aliens: “they’re too many, we can’t possibly deport 11 million…”

Too many? We can’t deport them? We can’t tell them to go home, we can’t forbid them using services in the US supposedly paid for by and for US citizens and legal residents?

There are far more than “eleven million,” by the way, and yes, yes we can deport them or at least refuse to play this stupid game of being The Incompetent Nation.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:05 PM

psrch on March 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Thanks for the linky!! :-)

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

That NYT’s picture of Rubio next to McCain and Schumer is disgusting.

NeoKong on March 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I think the three of them are disgusting. Best to look at them and remember that, photos help.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

llegals will self deport when we shut off the money tap. There’s no point being here if you can’t get a job, don’t get food stamps, housing and can’t put the kids in school.

katablog.com on March 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Very true, but Romney didn’t even need to say “self-deport”. He should have said “Gradually, undocumented immigrants will return home and they can choose to apply through our existing immigration law.” There are many fake conservatives here. They are easy to spot when you see the lefty talking points about deporting 11 million people in cattle cars.

Wigglesworth on March 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

You should see what’s happening in southern CA. In some place you are hard pressed to hear any English. LA County was 6% Hispanic in 1962, now it’s 47% (2010) Hispanic, and the numbers are rising daily soon to be 75%. CA now, next stop the rest of the country.

anotherJoe on March 18, 2013 at 1:08 PM

I do not think that the illegal immigrant issue is going anywhere… In 2007 the Republicans were minorities in both houses of Congress and amnesty was not passed despite that President Bush wanted it. At least we have the House this time… I really doubt that it is going to be passed…

mnjg on March 18, 2013 at 1:08 PM

RNC: Republicans Should Embrace and Champion Amnesty Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Yes, and the RNC should insist on getting citizenship for illegals in 13 months not 13 years! That is far too long a period. Actually, everyone should be granted US citizenship upon request, for a nominal membership fee.

/s

hawkeye54 on March 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Our Congress should develope a plan whereby illegal aliens’ countries of citizenship are required to pay for their citizens in the U.S.

That’d resolve our budget woes and our ethical woes of letting 20 million or more people from elsewhere illegally arrive and/or illegally remain here after arriving: rather than give them a card for the dole paid for by US taxpayers, require them to present a card from their own countries that has a debit feature when they want to use goods and services in the US.

Bill their countries for their upkeep and use of our services and resources. If not paid, then deduct the money from the “foreign aid” we send to their home countries.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

That NYT’s picture of Rubio next to McCain and Schumer is disgusting.

NeoKong on March 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Schumer looks like a ventriloquist and Rubio is his dummy.

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Forget Clinton reelection – Without Perot- Clinton most likely loses his first election shot in a one-on-one race. (I had to check- Clinton won by 5 million votes – Perot got 19 million votes, in a 2 on 1 duel)

You’re making my case with the Slick Willie analogy.

FlaMurph on March 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Also Perot hurt Bush41 most in the “toss up states.”

I doubt Perot polled well in New York or the rest of the East Coast.

bw222 on March 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

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No, thats not true, The Republicans will still vote for Rubio to keep him in if he runs for re-election (that’s why Charlie Crist got the boot).

The problem is, as we learned in Nov., there’s more Ds then Rs down here, and that gap is growing.

Don’t forget millions of seniors will pass on, and a more liberal yute will be taking their place to vote. Just like voting in DWTS.

FlaMurph on March 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM

A whole lot of illegals can get through the pourous borders in 13 years.

rjoco1 on March 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Or if they decide to remain in the United States, they will do so under the equivalent of a non-immigrant work permit by paying a substantial fine and back taxes. If they choose the non-immigrant work visa, they will not qualify for any federal benefits, including ObamaCare.

I am honestly confused. If the illegal immigrants are these poor downtrodden people toiling off the books doing the “jobs Americans won’t do” for wages below minimum – how are they supposed to pay substantial fines and their past tax liability? Who is goingto determine how much they owe? If they have no money are we going to deport them?

Since I was under the impression that people here illegally didn’t qualify for a lot of govt benefits now – what is going to be denied them? Are we going to allow hospitals to reject them when they show up in ERs? Are we going to allow their anchor babies to get govt benefits? Are we going to deport nursing mothers who are illegal but have babies who are citizens?

Just another kabuki dance where the GOP thinks if they just pander a little more the Latino community will vote for us. And the Dems are more than happy to dance along wit the GOP because they see lots of future voters. /s

katiejane on March 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

RNC: Republicans Should Embrace and Champion Amnesty Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Yes, and the RNC should insist on getting citizenship for illegals in 13 months not 13 years! That is far too long a period. Actually, everyone should be granted US citizenship upon request, for a nominal membership fee.

/s

hawkeye54 on March 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

“America is for EVERYbody!”

I heard a Hispanic/Latin woman saying that on tv from somewhere, wherever. America, the strip-mall where no one has any say in anything and everyone “is entitled”.

That’s what it’s come down to. People worldwide now assume that “America” is a parking lot that no one owns or controls or shouldn’t.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I do not think that the illegal immigrant issue is going anywhere… In 2007 the Republicans were minorities in both houses of Congress and amnesty was not passed despite that President Bush wanted it. At least we have the House this time… I really doubt that it is going to be passed…

mnjg on March 18, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Oh geez I don’t know about that. I hope you are more knowledgeable than me about this, but it doesn’t look good. The establishment is going all in on this and will force it through in the House with a minority of Republican votes. All democrats in the House will vote in favor because democrats will get most of the credit with Obama in the White House. I’m sure some Democrats were against it in 2007 just because they didn’t want to give Republicans credit for it.

Wigglesworth on March 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

hawkeye54 on March 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

“America is for EVERYbody!”

I heard a Hispanic/Latin woman saying that on tv from somewhere, wherever. America, the strip-mall where no one has any say in anything and everyone “is entitled”.

That’s what it’s come down to. People worldwide now assume that “America” is a parking lot that no one owns or controls or shouldn’t.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Now that I think more about that woman, what she said was:

“America doesn’t belong to ANYone, America is for EVERYbody.”

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Yes, it’s quite a cynical little game they play. First they righteously announce to their constitutents (“the rubes”) that they will not vote yes for any amnesty bill that allows millions of low-income illegal aliens to qualify for taxpayer-funded welfare benefits.

Then they ensure that the law will be drafted in such a way that no federal court will enforce those provisions. (I would not be at all surprised to learn that some of these politicians are actually providing legal advice and support to groups like La Raza, since the court challenges occur so swiftly as soon as the laws are passed — it’s as if they know in advance exactly where the weaknesses are built in).

AZCoyote on March 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

It’s a sad state of affairs and an indication of how far we’ve deteriorated as a nation that it has come to this in a nation that was predicated on adherence to and regard for The Rule of Law.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Yes it is.

I have seen what so called ‘immigration’ has done to the UK and many other EU countries…

They are now realising what they have allowed and created.

Our political parties are now so focused on ‘getting the vote’ they could care less what happens.

They are all so quick to lie to us it’s shameful.

It has gotten so bad, is it too late to fix it?

So many brilliant minds who comment here should in my humble opinion get into local politics and start to make a difference.

We all see how we are lied to on a daily basis about everything.

Time to make a difference…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

…..And Boehner and his Progressive, big government loving leadership team is okay with passing it WITH THE DEMOCRATS providing the majority, over the objections of the republican members.

and……..it’s even better. House Speaker John Boehner says he “absolutely” trusts President Barack Obama — not that they don’t have their differences.

Boehner tells ABC’s “This Week” that the two have a good relationship and that they’re “open with each other … honest with each other.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/boehner-absolutely-trusts-obama-18748413

You better get ready to MELT the freaking phones over this AMNESTY the republican leadership trash are going to try to force it down our throats just like Pelosi did with her big gavel (ObamaCare) in 2010.

PappyD61 on March 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

And afterall, we wouldn’t want people to have to live with the consequences of their actions/decisions.

Bitter Clinger on March 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

This ^^.

katablog.com on March 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

And this ^^.

Mirimichi on March 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Then they ensure that the law will be drafted in such a way that no federal court will enforce those provisions. (I would not be at all surprised to learn that some of these politicians are actually providing legal advice and support to groups like La Raza, since the court challenges occur so swiftly as soon as the laws are passed — it’s as if they know in advance exactly where the weaknesses are built in).

AZCoyote on March 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

If sanity and decent ethics were present in DC, they’d start with demanding that NO ethically or racially (or sexually) identifying group or “kind” be allowed to lobby or, if OK to lobby (I imagine there are laws, etc.), that no immigration policy be associated and defined by any such demands.

I think I speak for many people when I say that demanding our nation’s entire profile be altered to accommodate and because of specific ethic and/or racial groups IS WRONG, is so wrong that it’s disgusting.

If the nation HAS TO HAVE this so-called “reform,” then let it be based on character, fitness and usefulness to the nation overall: people with talent and abilities in good health who can provide the nation and themselves with advantages based upon their abilities…

…and NOT because they’re some race or ethnicity and demand privileges based upon their DNA. I’ve heard more than enough of these demands-by-ethnicity, it’s sickening.

Lourdes on March 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

…..and yet…..some here still believe the republicans will do the right thing and stand for any principles?

Wow.

PappyD61 on March 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Let’s just let the Voters-of-the-World decide future Presidential, and Senatorial, and Congressional, Elections.
Citizenship is just an artificial construct, and should not restrict us in giving full voice to the wants, desires, and needs of people everywhere.

Somehow, I don’t think that Emancipation of Illegal Aliens is going to go over well.

Another Drew on March 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

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