Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on March 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

A blunt self-critique by the national Republican Party concludes that while the GOP is flourishing in many state capitals, it is “increasingly marginalized” and out of touch at the federal level.

In focus groups, voters who had left the Republican Party said they found the GOP to be “scary,” “narrow-minded,” “out of touch” and the party of “stuffy old men.”…

To grow as a party, the RNC assessment points out, Republican policy makers must realize that economically struggling voters “don’t care if the help comes from the private sector or the government—they just want help.”

The report notes that “instead of connecting with voters’ concerns, we too often sound like bookkeepers.”

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A new poll for the Hill newspaper finds that “more voters trust the Democratic Party than the Republican Party on budgetary issues . . . even though a strong majority actually prefer Republican fiscal policies.”…

Even Democrats demonstrated that they prefer what are normally considered GOP budget ideas. Only 44 percent of Democrats polled said deficits should be primarily reduced mostly through raising taxes, versus 40 percent who felt it should be done largely by trimming spending.

That’s the good news for the GOP. The bad news was that, when the two competing budget plans had the labels “Republican” and “Democrat” attached to them, there was a clear change in preference. A full 35 percent of respondents backed the Democrat plan in that case, while only 30 percent trusted the GOP more (the rest said they trusted neither party).

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Ari Fleischer said on Monday that the RNC’s autopsy report is an attempt to “blow a whistle” on the GOP in a bid to make it more inclusive

“We’ve lost that ability to be persuasive with people who don’t agree with us on every issue. And what Republicans need to do I think to have a bright future is to do what the governors have done, which is if someone doesn’t agree with us on every issue – we can still work with them and get things done,” he said. “That’s part of what historically Republicans have done. We need to get back to doing that again.”…

“There is a genuine generational split in the Republican Party on that issue. Many, many young conservatives are for gay rights, are for gay marriage and we openly talk about that, acknowledge that and welcome that,” he said. “That is part of what a big tent should be about. You don’t find that in the Democratic Party.”

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But while the new RNC document may move past Reagan Republicanism, it marks a different kind of restoration: of the campaigns of President George W. Bush, and in particular to his first campaign, which promised “compassionate conservatism.”

And at its core, the report is a glimpse of the party Karl Rove and George W. Bush, assisted by figures like Fleischer and Gerson, sought to create starting in the late 1990s. This was the party in which George W. Bush was elected, but one whose message shifted dramatically on Sept. 11, 2001. From there, Bush ran almost exclusively as a national security president, and by the time he began pitching elements of Social Security privatization in his second term, the move was a non-sequitur and came with none of the halo of compassion of the earlier Bush years. The Tea Party represented a wing of the party — which included some, but certainly not all, of Bush’s own aides — who saw the ostentatious push for “compassion” as a veneer over policies that ought to, they thought, triumph on the merits; and who believed that the contrast with President Barack Obama meant that the veneer was no longer needed. Romney’s private suggestion of a class war between 53% of makers and 47% of takers in the American economy represented a particularly pure version of that.

Now the Republican National Committee is returning to Bush’s original vision. The question is which policies — and in particular, what vision for solving poverty — will accompany that push.

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How to get there? Make the national party, and its nominee, less vulnerable to eruptions from the base. The report calls for the primary debate schedule to be cut back to pre-2008 levels, with maybe a dozen televised forums, and more control over who moderates them…

Missouri’s failed Senate candidate Todd Akin, patron saint of gaffes, mused about the female body’s power to nullify rape because he came out of hard-right religious politics and really believed that stuff. The RNC debuted a way to shut that whole thing down. In the report, they call for “inviting as many voters as possible into the Republican Party by discouraging conventions and caucuses for the purpose of allocating delegates to the national convention.” Take away the caucus system and there’s no Ron Paul movement; there’s no stubborn Rick Santorum candidacy for social conservatives to rally behind.

Do that, and maybe the party can be as conservative as it likes in the states without the national candidate having to sweat it.

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The conventional wisdom among Republican elites about the election congealed seemingly the instant Mitt Romney lost. It was that the party needed to tone down its social-issues talk, embrace comprehensive immigration reform, improve its get-out-the-vote operation, highlight more nonwhite and female spokespersons, shorten the presidential primaries, and take greater control over the primary debates. These recommendations come naturally to Republican elites. Compared to rank-and-file Republicans, they are more likely to favor same-sex marriage and comprehensive immigration reform on principle, and those who are opposed to one or both generally don’t care much about the issues. They don’t, however, tend to have any major problems with the Republican economic agenda and do not believe it needs to be rethought in any serious way. The Republican report reflects this elite conventional wisdom perfectly, just perfectly. That doesn’t mean everything in the report is wrong. I’m inclined to think its suggested reforms of the primary process would be marginally helpful for conservatism. And I have nothing against highlighting Republicans who aren’t white men. The report does not, however, engage in the thorough data-driven analysis of what has gone wrong for Republicans that the party needs.

Take the most explicit policy recommendation the report makes: that Republicans embrace comprehensive immigration reform. The report doesn’t even try to demonstrate that this step would win the party more voters than it loses–which, you might think, is pretty important when political advice is being handed out. It ignores all of the political arguments made by critics of comprehensive reform, let alone the policy arguments.

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For decades, opposition to the Soviet Union was the glue that held the disparate elements of the movement together. For a brief time, it was believed that the Global War on Terrorism might take its place. That hasn’t happened. And it seems the much-needed soul-searching that occurred after Romney’s loss has resulted in a sort of tacit agreement that an amicable divorce might be preferable to the status quo…

It’s going to be a very interesting couple of years. The 2016 primary won’t just be about selecting a standard bearer, it’ll be about picking which standard to bear.

It’s possible we could see radical change that might even lead to the rise of a third party. That could happen if the GOP nominates a candidate deemed unacceptable by any one wing of the movement. On the other hand, if the GOP selects a more traditional conservative, such as, say, Rubio, the re-ordering might be more subtle. Some elements of the conservative movement might have to accept a demotion, of course, but it’s possible they would reluctantly accede to the demands of modernity.

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Note, though, how the report doesn’t actually call for the party to change its position. Just being more “tolerant” of other views doesn’t really seem like it’s going to get the party much of anywhere with young voters. If the party’s platform is still hostile to these issues, then that’s exactly what people will focus on.

As for the sections on immigration and women: It seems like even the RNC has forgotten its own 2012 convention. Much of the advice here to be more inclusive of minorities and women was on full display at the convention, for all the good it did them. The report acknowledges that the party must tackle its reputation with ethnic minorities and “champion comprehensive immigration reform,” but this is not a policy paper and the most important question – What that immigration reform should look like – goes unanswered.

This isn’t to downplay the report. That this kind of messaging is coming directly from the Republican National Committee is important. Fundamentally, though, the only component of the report that actually feels new is its ability to mention the existence of gays without immediately retreating into “traditional marriage” talk.

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[W]hat about those folks who really only vote GOP not because they’re generally conservative but because they have traditional values — as this Twitter exchange shows:

“@MichaelBD: Once the GOP follows Charles Murray’s advice it frees people like me up to vote for Dems on foreign policy, basic competence.”

“@Joncoppage: Not to mention evangelicals concerned about the poor/social justice, increasingly environmental stewardship, etc”

“@MichaelBD: there may be a winning GOP coalition out there, but it isn’t built on Bloomberg voters.”

I like to refer to social conservatives as battered wives, but even battered wives eventually wake up and realize that leaving their man is preferable to what they’re enduring. Well, that or they end up dead…

Are we sure that a) the GOP can be sufficiently liberal enough to compete with honest-to-goodness liberals and b) it will bring in more people than it will lose?

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The only certainty is that the candidate who comes forward as a cookie-cutter “three-legged-stool” (strong defense, economic conservative, social traditionalist) conservative is going to wind up pleasing no one and running into the same limitations that Mitt Romney did: There are not enough of those voters who follow those prescriptions to win the White House.

So where does this lead the party? I believe it will sort itself out in the primary itself, which becomes more akin to constructing a parliamentary majority (alliances, concessions, truces, compromises of convenience). Rand Paul will go for a libertarian majority, while Marco Rubio will present a pro-life, pro-immigration, domestic reform and internationalist agenda. The candidate who can both win the biggest share of and recruit more supporters to the GOP is the winner, and at the end factions agree to disagree on some items in common cause against an opponent devoted to the domineering welfare state.

This is a very attractive proposition. Fitting the party to a real candidate rather than forcing the candidate to contort himself to fit a static platform makes a lot of sense. For one thing, you’ll get a more genuine party leader. For another, the primary will determine where a substantial coalition can be formed. And most important, this puts a premium on policy…

So 2016 wanna-be’s get going: Shape your own agenda, find and recruit your own coalition, and determine how you are going to fund it. But don’t spend any time trying to be all things to all parts of a coalition that for all intents and purposes no longer exists.

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KCB on March 19, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Goodnight Ken! Sleep well and God Bless!!

Great tunes :-)

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Good evening.

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Doesn’t matter, sir. She’s the top now and 2016 is already an uphill battle for the GOP.
She decides to run and it’s over with that kind of popularity
BedBug on March 18, 2013 at 11:26 PM

And how does “OUR” fiscal account look?

Whether she is gay and you love it…

THe fact still is…..

Can you afford it?

Electrongod on March 18, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Instead of calling me gay, which is not the insult you think it is, because I’m not a bigot, but Hillary’s husband did great work WITH the GOP and the 90′s were financially beautiful. They said Hillary wore the pants in that family, so I’m betting she will work to right the sinking ship.

BedBug on March 18, 2013 at 11:44 PM

I always hate when a Hillary supporter shows up, because then I feel like I have to try to be nice to her instead of pointing out what a mean, vicious, deceitful, shameless, power-hungry lowlife she is.

This is the woman who deliberately smeared and falsely accused bureaucrats at the White House Travel Office of the crime of fraud so she could fire them and replace them with her own cronies.

This is the woman who used insider connections to make 100K in the cattle futures market. There’s no real debate about that. There’s simply no way she could make out so famously the first time she ever tried unless someone was feeding her deals.

This is the woman caught in so many lies that William Safire — hardly a partisan rhetorical bombthrower — finally settled for describing her as a congenital liar.

And after her disastrous run at State culminating in the disgrace at Benghazi, we can add incompetent to the rest of what’s wrong with her.

And how is she ever described as a feminist hero? She didn’t rise on her own merits, but because she was married to a Democrat president. Hardly the feminist ideal.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 19, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Yes, but the media loves her and the old biddies think she’s the bees knees, and it’s her turn after the attack on her in 2008. She’s popular and this is what you face as your leadership leads you off the cliff.
I’m just saying, 2016 will be an uphill battle because people believe the lie that is Hillary Clinton. Unless you pay attention, she will finally gave her coronation.

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

And how is she ever described as a feminist hero? She didn’t rise on her own merits, but because she was married to a Democrat president. Hardly the feminist ideal.

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 19, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Who’s entire legacy she had in her pocket. It was a charlatanic deal. He still owes her.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 19, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Don’t forget the dough she made as a board member of Wal-Mart, a place she belittled for being union-free, only to resurrect, now that the stupid CEO is an Obamabot.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

I posted this earlier today, JAMIE

Followed by THIS

It seems you and I are, for all intents and purposes relating to the GOP and their position on amnesty, on the same page.

Good evening. :)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

You need deodorant too.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

KCB on March 19, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Goodnight, Ken. Sleep well. See you soon.:)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Unless you pay attention, she will finally gave get her coronation.

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

And you will help to crown such scum. Pfui!!!

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:56 AM

My son, who works in a hospital emergency room at a children’s hospital, told me an interesting story this weekend. He said that one guy came in and wanted some “ointment” and showed my son, who was working as part of the triage team, a sample — it was an individually wrapped portion of petroleum jelly — Vasoline, as it were. He asked my son to give him a bunch of these, and my son responded to him that they were only available if the man saw a doctor, but that the stuff was available really cheaply, without a prescription, at a drug store down the street. The man responded that he wasn’t about to buy the stuff at a drug store — he was entitled to his free Government ointment, and he was going to get it! He sat down and waited for hours to see a doctor — so he could get his “free” stuff — which certainly would have cost him far less locally than a car trip to the hospital and a wait due to being triaged as “not really sick at all”.

Now, perhaps my son should have given him the jelly and saved the Government the costs associated with having a doctor see a patient so the patient could get free petroleum jelly, but rules are rules.

The other interesting thing he talked about was how the hospital, every Christmas, gets a whole bunch of stuffed animals to give away — which they do to any kid who has to have a needle inserted for any reason (until they run out — usually in mid-April). Parents who know about this will bring their brood into the hospital, make one pretend to be sick with a disease requiring blood to be taken, and try to get a stuffed animal for each of the kids — even the ones who aren’t sick. Of course, all of this takes up doctor time and costs the taxpayers money. My son says that some technicians will give these kids animals just so they can clear the room, but he doesn’t like it — he gives the kids who need to have blood drawn or a vaccination an animal, but the other healthy ones only get stickers when he’s on duty.

There is a whole underclass of individuals who’ve figured out every way in which one can get free stuff courtesy the taxpayer, and they’re lined up for it.

unclesmrgol on March 19, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Absolutely true.

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:48 AM

I’m a woman. It’s pathetic to think that anyone should deserve to be president because she’s a victim.

One minute you think she’s strong, a little bit later she’s a victim? Sorry, but you sound like several guys in a dorm room trying to write one of those hoax letters to Dear Abby.

INC on March 19, 2013 at 12:56 AM

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Both links not working, good lady.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:57 AM

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

You need deodorant too.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Stop. I’m just showing you what’s coming as you squabble with your leaders. SE didn’t come out the closet today for nothing.
This was the first shot for 2016. Who’s her competition? Biden?

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:57 AM

INC on March 19, 2013 at 12:56 AM

LOL! Good one.

Good evening. :)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 12:58 AM

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Good evening! Hows things with you?

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 12:58 AM

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Hey, Jackie!

INC on March 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

We had a “comprehensive” immigration reform in 1986 and it lead us to where we are today. Another “comprehensive” reform will cause me to divorce myself from the republican party.

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 12:49 AM

And, after the divorce, you’ll start voting Democrat?

Heh.

unclesmrgol on March 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Absolutely true.

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:48 AM

I’m a woman. It’s pathetic to think that anyone should deserve to be president because she’s a victim.

One minute you think she’s strong, a little bit later she’s a victim? Sorry, but you sound like several guys in a dorm room trying to write one of those hoax letters to Dear Abby.

INC on March 19, 2013 at 12:56 AM

I personally like her. She’s been a victim of her husband, Obama, Obama again as SOS, but it’s her turn.

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Shrillary did a great job killing the vaccine industry with the only part of her insane socialist health care that she managed to get through. She got the vaccine buying all turned over to the feral government (“for the children!” … of course) and that took a thriving industry and cut the number of active companies by 75%. That’s a good part of the reason why we have had so many problems getting vaccines made and delivered on time (not that we have really needed them, but the feral government loved to announce a new killer virus every couple of years and then make a mockery of itself by not being able to get any vaccine stock). This was thanks, mostly, to the only bit of ShrillaryCare that got through.

And now we have the full destruction of BarkyCare to look forward to …

And, BTW, let us not forget that BJ Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican terrorists (on his way out of the White House, as he was carting off furniture) who had shot up the Capitol in order to buy votes in New York for Shrillary (all via Eric Holder). Yep …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Hot Air QOTD late nighters: May I humbly ask those of you who pray to add my family and me to your prayer list. Thank you.

Jackalope on March 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

I think there is some truth to that BedBug. None, well none that I’m aware of here have any love for her. She is dreck to us. The same world that choose to elect 0 could in fact see her on to a win. Things could go that way even though to me and many here that would seem an impossibility. Of course I was quite sadded by the American electorate last Novenmber. They are apparently mostly blind and low info. Its all I can figure. How far our great Nation has slipped. It could slip further.

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:01 AM

November

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:01 AM

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Good evening! Hows things with you?

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Same as always, slow and full of bitter disappointment… :(

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:01 AM

INC on March 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Hi INC!!!

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:02 AM

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 19, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Jackalope on March 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Absolutely!! Comfort healing or guidance?

I like to be specific :-)

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 19, 2013 at 1:03 AM

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I am sorry hon, I do pray for you…

I took off a couple days, and am feeling spritely!

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Bummer. It was on the thread today about the GOP plan to grant amnesty with a 13 year time frame from illegal to citizenship.

I made the case for the argument that the GOP and the Democrats are colluding in the colonialization of Mexico, Central, South America and Canada.

They are making our borders irrelevant, they are blending our citizens, and in return they are getting the resources of these nations, along with an endless supply of cheap foreign labor, thus satisfying our corporate interests and the political class. In Canada’s case they are using political and economic pressure to accomplish this goal… with cases like the XL Keystone Pipeline.

Then I said that if the GOP goes ahead with the plan to assist in amnesty, I will not vote for another Republican in this election, or any election, since there will no longer be any substantive difference between the GOP and the progressives.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:05 AM

BedBug,

Ha ha, you’re funny. Hill’s a third-rate victim, but hey, she deserves the Oval Office to help her feel better.

There’s little to like about someone who refused as a leader to take responsibility on Benghazi. Her statement as SOS was pitiful. Who wants a Clinton around to evade and lie?

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:05 AM

I posted this earlier today, JAMIE

Followed by THIS

It seems you and I are, for all intents and purposes relating to the GOP and their position on amnesty, on the same page.

Good evening. :)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Hi Jackie. I wonder if they deleted your comments. I got 404 errors on both of them.

How’s it going? I’m here a little late, but I thought I’d see what everyone is doing tonight.

If the republicans support amnesty, I’ll go third party from here on.

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Dire Straits on March 19, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Good evening, Dire! :)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Jackalope on March 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Yes, I will. I’ll be glad to do so.

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Hey, Scrumpy!

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Evening Dire! ; )

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Good evening :-)

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Don’t forget the dough she made as a board member of Wal-Mart, a place she belittled for being union-free, only to resurrect, now that the stupid CEO is an Obamabot.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Shrillary did a great job killing the vaccine industry with the only part of her insane socialist health care that she managed to get through. She got the vaccine buying all turned over to the feral government (“for the children!” … of course) and that took a thriving industry and cut the number of active companies by 75%. That’s a good part of the reason why we have had so many problems getting vaccines made and delivered on time (not that we have really needed them, but the feral government loved to announce a new killer virus every couple of years and then make a mockery of itself by not being able to get any vaccine stock). This was thanks, mostly, to the only bit of ShrillaryCare that got through.

And now we have the full destruction of BarkyCare to look forward to …

And, BTW, let us not forget that BJ Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican terrorists (on his way out of the White House, as he was carting off furniture) who had shot up the Capitol in order to buy votes in New York for Shrillary (all via Eric Holder). Yep …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

On the other hand, she’s an awful politician. She was supposed to be an unstoppable powerhouse in 2008, and couldn’t even clinch the nomination. With any luck, she’ll run in 2016 and get completely humiliated…..

There Goes The Neighborhood on March 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

And, after the divorce, you’ll start voting Democrat?

Heh.

unclesmrgol on March 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Third party.

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

I took off a couple days, and am feeling spritely!

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:05 AM

I am glad to hear that. ;)

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Comfort and guidance please.

Jackalope on March 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM

I don’t know INC, deserve has nothing to do with it anymore. If it did why all the punishment for a second 0 term. BedBug may have a point.

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Hi Scrumpy.

For the republicans.

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Just popped down to the gulch… saw your comments, thanks :-)

CS Lewis has some great ones!

Eyepopping numbers too btw!

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Good evening, Jamie.

It’s on the thread “Reports: Bipartisan Senate immigration proposal will grant citizenship to illegals in 13 years. ”

The first one is on page one. The second one on page two.

I, too, will not vote for another GOP candidate if they support amnesty. If there is to be no substantive difference between the GOP and the Democrats, there’s no point. I wouldn’t vote for a progressive, and I’ll surely not vote for a Republican after the party engages in the erosion of the Rule of Law and votes for amnesty.

I may exercise my right not to vote at all, since I can’t find a candidate who will keep their word and refrain from becoming part of the political class, rather than remember that he/she is the proxy for the citizens who elected him/her.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Jackalope on March 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM

You got it hon :-)

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM

BedBug,

Ha ha, you’re funny. Hill’s a third-rate victim, but hey, she deserves the Oval Office to help her feel better.

There’s little to like about someone who refused as a leader to take responsibility on Benghazi. Her statement as SOS was pitiful. Who wants a Clinton around to evade and lie?

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Understood, but like I said, Benghazi didn’t touch Obama. Four years, it will be a distant memory if the voting public even KNEW about it in the first place.
People like her despite all you list here and most wouldn’t care anyway.

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Lol, not from me they won’t!!

Things have got to change mightily…

Good song tho :-)

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:12 AM

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I’m sorry to hear that. I have to say I feel as I did when Carter was in the WH—only not as good!

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Well, if Hill runs I’m hoping she’ll have some strong competition.

She’s looked terrible the last few years. The 2008 campaign was grueling enough for her. It’s hard to see how she’d have the stamina for a campaign.

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:13 AM

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Yeah sad to say…

Libs I talk to think she has a good shot…

They sure have been hornswaggled!

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Agreed.

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:16 AM

A little Whitesnake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SeE0wNv44M

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

The frogs won one.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

I may just have to do that photoshop of Hillary. Thanks BedBug. ; )

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Well early call time come a.m.

Good Night All.

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

I, too, will not vote for another GOP candidate if they support amnesty. If there is to be no substantive difference between the GOP and the Democrats, there’s no point. I wouldn’t vote for a progressive, and I’ll surely not vote for a Republican after the party engages in the erosion of the Rule of Law and votes for amnesty.

I may exercise my right not to vote at all, since I can’t find a candidate who will keep their word and refrain from becoming part of the political class, rather than remember that he/she is the proxy for the citizens who elected him/her.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

I couldn’t agree more, Jackie. Just about anything else they do could be undone. Not this. They better think carefully.

For you.

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Jackalope on March 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Wll do..Hang in there..:)

Dire Straits on March 19, 2013 at 1:20 AM

I don’t think Hillary will be elected in ’16.

She’s short, fat, old, ugly (these the elitist progressives can never forgive… just look at the desperation in Hollywood to remain forever young), she ran against The One, lost, was accused of being a racist… and it stuck… but even more than that…

OBAMACARE will have gone into full effect in 2014. There will be ample time for people to get a taste of what the effects of that will be directly on their own lives.

This is why the GOP House didn’t defund it as promised. They don’t give a dam* about the physical cost to people, they do care about political costs…to the Democrats. By not defunding Obamacare it will go into effect. The costs to Americans will hit home… and those costs are going, in turn, to hit the Democrats HARD.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcOwvPfCnxs

A little Joe Turner…

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Good night B! God Bless!!

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:21 AM

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

What a great tune. A favorite. Thanks, Jamie. :)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:22 AM

I personally like her. She’s been a victim of her husband, Obama, Obama again as SOS, but it’s her turn.

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Pfui, stinky

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

That’s another area we’re getting our derrieres handed to us… thanks to Obama and his administration…international trade.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Hillary can’t paint herself black.

It’ll be Booker or such on the leftie ticket. They think that is the future.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I’m sorry to hear that. I have to say I feel as I did when Carter was in the WH—only not as good!

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Yea, I knew that Peanuthead Jimmy was a fool, and it left me depressed, but now, it’s much worse. The Republican Leadership is hell bent to prove that they are every bit as much the immoral unethical professional politicians that the democrats are. Which, while very bad, would be quiet so bad if they weren’t also stone cold stuck on stupid as well.

The Truth about Karl Rove

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Never assume that Obama loves the US.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N3VLRfNiAY

Yes: Changes…

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Goodnight, Bmore. Sleep well.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:26 AM

I may just have to do that photoshop of Hillary. Thanks BedBug. ; )

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Well early call time come a.m.

Good Night All.

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Goodnight Bmore.

BedBug on March 19, 2013 at 1:26 AM

and those costs are going, in turn, to hit the Democrats HARD.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Not hard enough if you ask me.

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

LOL! No, I never have. :)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:26 AM

I’ll do some music. Here’s a lady that many of you might not know – Angie Mattson. Great, great voice.

Cold Soul

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:22 AM

I’m happy you like it, Jackie. You linked a great tune the other night. I came in and read some of the comments the next day, saw it, and it was so good I bookmarked it so I could listen to it again later. Wayfaring Pilgrim – Roy Buchanan. That’s some very nice blues right there.

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM

The republican message to illegal immigrants.

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Nope, it’s this or this.

Maybe tomorrow I can find “Jump the line, you be mine.”

arnold ziffel on March 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Bmore on March 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

‘Nite Bmore

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Bye, B!

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

You’ll be encouraged to know in an NRO poll of 14K+ on who do you support Rove or Palin, Rove had garnered 19% (that was about an hour and a half ago!

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:30 AM

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:26 AM

True, well, we have to take what we can get.

Insanity rules the day in the GOP. They want to grant amnesty to 11-20 million illegal aliens, and thus make them eligible for all 83 separate means tested federal welfare programs, allow chain migration so the number sells exponentially, and also Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid… right as the bite hits us hardest with the debt and deficit, and with 22 million Americans currently unemployed or underemployed. They seek to do this while insulting LEGAL immigrants, by making it more expedient to come to this nation ILLEGALLY, thus virtually guaranteeing that there will be an even greater and steady influx of illegal aliens in the future.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM

I’m glad you liked it, Jamie. He was an excellent guitarist. You should try to stop by more often. I miss you here. :)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Nice tune. Thanks for cuing it up. :)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHYFskAr1Gs

Rolling Stones: Wild Horses from last year in London!

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Hot Air QOTD late nighters: May I humbly ask those of you who pray to add my family and me to your prayer list. Thank you.

Jackalope on March 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Most certainly, for whatever is burdening you and that your faith be strengthened through this trial.

AZfederalist on March 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM

You’re cuing up some great tune, Scrumpy! :)

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

tunes

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM

It’s madness!

It will be the end of the US…

I hope we live thru it.

It’s a crying shame what they will do for a bloody vote…

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Jackalope on March 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

I hope that you and your family are well, Jackalope, and that whatever is troubling you is swiftly and satisfactorily remedied.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Nope, it’s this or this.

I had to watch the first video all the way through. The second link was good, but I just listened. I didn’t feel compelled to watch. You are correct on both counts.

Maybe tomorrow I can find “Jump the line, you be mine.”

arnold ziffel on March 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM

You reminded me of this, arnold. It signifies nothing, but I like it.

How’s it going? Has spring arrived in your part of the country?

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM

Good evening.

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Is that you or your brain?

SparkPlug on March 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM

If you look at it this way, the first two pillars of Obama’s ongoing power legacy are:

1) Organizing for Action–if it works (and it might), it’s a permanent independent power base, a durable political machine outside the party’s structure. You think OFA is going to go away after Obama leaves office? I think it’s much more likely that Obama keeps on implicitly running it, ensuring his power lasts well beyond the constitutional limit of two terms. Think of how Japan’s Kakuei Tanaka continued to exercise influence long after he left office and you’ll have the basic idea;

2) Permanently Changing the Electorate: Immigration reform, if done Obama’s way, guarantees that Dem-leaning Latinos will increase even more rapidly as a share of the electorate than they’re increasing now. Voters in more states will be more receptive to OFA-style appeals–not just for this amnesty, but for the next amnesty–creating still more Democrats–and the amnesty after that, in addition to the rest of the Democratic agenda. From an Obaman point of view, it’s a virtuous circle of permanent power. (Amnesty, amnesty, spend, spend, elect, elect) …

Isn’t this a potentially powerful one-two punch of structural innovation that could give Obama his own power base lasting long after 2016? Sorry, Hillary.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

It’s as I said, Scrumpy… this is where the GOP gives up any pretense to being a separate party. They make it clear that they and the Democrats are part of the same political class and their loyalty is to one another, not the electorate.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Time creeps ever onward and ’tis time I was dreamland bound!

God Bless everyone :-)

Good night!

*swoosh*

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

You’ll be encouraged to know in an NRO poll of 14K+ on who do you support Rove or Palin, Rove had garnered 19% (that was about an hour and a half ago!

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Sadly, Rove’s thinking mirror’s the majority of the GOP Elite leadership, so pretty much regardless of what the rank and file think Rove will be around for quiet a while yet. Karl Rove reminds me of the Union Generals McClellan and Burnside. Neither were bad men, but neither was particularly suited for the roles that they briefly played during the Civil War. In fact, they were disastrous in the roles they ultimately ended up being remembered by history for.

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM

I read that. I think its a good analysis of their intention. The GOP are absolute suckers for buying into it.

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Today’s Tech Tip:

How to turn the United States into a third world hell hole.

1. Let illegals from third world hell holes sneak into the country
2. Let illegals from third world hell holes get citizenship.
3. Let illegals from third world hell holes vote.

SparkPlug on March 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Good analogy. Remember the column, “I cannot spare this woman, she fights!” ?

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

I should come by more often, but I’m a little sick of politics. If I thought we had a good candidate, or even better, a good message, I’d be a little more involved. But it just seems to me that the republicans are going in the wrong direction, so I’ll just watch them self-immolate on the alter of liberalism and hope for a phoenix. Good to see you, though.

I heard this byzantine-styled song the other day and it caught my fancy. Listen to it sometime when you have a few minutes and let me know what you think.

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

You reminded me of this, arnold. It signifies nothing, but I like it.

How’s it going? Has spring arrived in your part of the country?

jaime on March 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM

Very good my friend. Spring has arrived here. Just look forward to every day to see what flavor crap sammich Sacramento or DC is serving up.

arnold ziffel on March 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Karl Rove has demolished the party. get that freak off the air.

SparkPlug on March 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Scrumpy on March 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM

G’night, Scrumpy!

SparkPlug on March 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Wait, Sparky! How is that a Tech Tip? It sounds more like a Sci Fi/Horror movie tip.

INC on March 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM

thatsafactjack on March 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

+1 So sorry Jackalope that I missed your comment. I send you strength and wish you and your family only good. Please come by here, best you can. It’s a zoo, often, but c/b a temporary distraction and we are very fond of you and your little ones.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Good evening.

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Is that you or your brain?

SparkPlug on March 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Pretty sure it’s me, found a note on my pillow this morning, my brain is disgusted with me an went on vacation without me… O_O

SWalker on March 19, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Q: Ask yourself, where would we be without Karl Rove?

A: The White House

SparkPlug on March 19, 2013 at 1:48 AM

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