Colorado sheriffs: Sorry, but these new gun laws would be kind of unenforceable

posted at 4:41 pm on March 18, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Colorado is waiting on Gov. Hickenlooper to sign a couple of new gun-control bills passed by the legislature to be signed into law, including a measure that will limit the sale of high-capacity magazines (which they have so augustly defined as 15 or more rounds) and another expanding requirements for background checks on firearms purchases; funnily enough, the legislation looks pretty similar to some of the ideas the Democrats have been peddling in Washington, and Vice President Biden extended his hearty congratulations to the legislature’s successful endeavor:

Some of the very glaring problems with these seemingly innocuous measures, however, is that they will still not keep guns out of the hands of criminals, they’ll impose undue burdens on law-abiding citizens, and of course the itty-bitty fact that many magazines can be altered to higher capacities — making enforcement pretty darn difficult, and at least one Colorado sheriff is speaking up. From the Greeley Tribune:

Weld County Sheriff John Cooke said he won’t enforce either gun-control measure waiting to be signed into law by Gov. John Hickenlooper, saying the laws are “unenforceable” and would “give a false sense of security.” …

Cooke said Democratic lawmakers are uninformed but are scrambling in reaction to recent tragedies in the nation.

“They’re feel-good, knee-jerk reactions that are unenforceable,” he said. …

Cooke said he, like other county sheriffs, “won’t bother enforcing” the laws because it will be impossible for them to keep track of how the requirements are being met by gun owners. He said he and other sheriffs are considering a lawsuit against the state to block the measures if they are signed into law.

And he might not be the only one, via Fox News:

The sheriff told the news outlet that he and other county sheriffs “won’t bother enforcing” the laws because it won’t be possible to keep track of how gun owners are complying with the new requirements.

Cooke is joined in his opposition to the proposals by El Paso County Sheriff Terry Maketa, who told an angry packed crowd at a meeting on Thursday in Colorado Springs he would stand firm against the bills.

“I can’t tell you when those were sold, bought and purchased. As far as I’m concerned, they were all pre-July 1 if the governor does sign this bill,” he said.

Maketa said the proposed laws were hastily crafted and at least one would be unenforceable. A number of Colorado sheriffs are concerned the laws could lead to registration of gun owners, he said.

Colorado legislators may have rushed through a sloppily-worded, impractical set of laws that will be ineffective in quelling crime and will place still more arbitrary burdens on law-abiding gun owners, say what?


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So how did all these Democrats get elected in Colorado? Wonder what will happen in 2014? Thank goodness voter fraud doesn’t happen. Cause I am sure all these Dims were elected fair and square. Only 2 or 3 vote per democratic voter instead of the 6 that is normal is other states.
odannyboy on March 18, 2013 at 6:07 PM

10 county’s in Colorado had more 2012 voters than residents. Those extra “people” voted for democrats no doubt.

jawkneemusic on March 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Yeah, that was the original defense for pre-81′ drop in auto sears and M-16 trigger parts. See how well that worked out.

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Yes. Chop and block.
With whatever tools are necessary.

Washington Nearsider on March 18, 2013 at 6:36 PM

I hope the NRA gets involved in the upcoming legal battles over these bills. We’re going to need that help to counter the national level Demtards interference.

I’m also hoping we can get some recalls going on as many Dems as possible so Hickypooper thinks long and hard about signing any of it – and he and every other Dem gets worried about it happening to them as well. With a few high profile recalls over this issue, we could swing Colorado back to Republican control – and rescind this garbage.

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

To summarize, the Supreme Court in Miller held that the NFA’s ban on sawed off shotguns was constitutional – using language that states that it was on the basis that shotguns were not related to militia use. (A false “fact” really as the US Army had issued shotguns for trench warfare less than two decades earlier in WWI).

Under that reasoning alone, without Heller and MacDonald, “assault weapons” bans are not constitutional.

Note one of the problems with the Miller decision is that Miller’s counsel never showed up to argue the case – probably because his client had died or not paid him.

SPQR on March 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

I have not read the current bill, but the interesting bit is where the burden of proof lies. Do you have to prove you possessed them before the ban or do they have to prove you didn’t? In any case, you can count on confiscation at the very least if you ever end up on their radar.

stvnscott on March 18, 2013 at 6:37 PM

The bill says the burden of proof is on the state.

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Yeah, that was the original defense for pre-81′ drop in auto sears and M-16 trigger parts. See how well that worked out.

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Obviously not well – but then we also had 10 years of full blown “assault weapons ban” (at least guns that looked scary). Our advantage now is data that those laws don’t do anything to prevent violent crime – and in fact contribute to it.
Not that Demtards ever concern themselves with facts or data….

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I’m also hoping we can get some recalls going on as many Dems as possible so Hickypooper thinks long and hard about signing any of it – and he and every other Dem gets worried about it happening to them as well. With a few high profile recalls over this issue, we could swing Colorado back to Republican control – and rescind this garbage.

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

The legislators got drunk on Biden love. As for lickenpooper, I’m sure he’s been promised a job at the federal level if he signs these into law, so he wouldn’t care if he got recalled or not.

deuce on March 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

– probably because his client had died or not paid him.

SPQR on March 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

His client had died, and without standing the SCOTUS case could not proceed, though virtually everyone including several Supreme Court Justices said that if it had reached SCOTUS it would have been overturned on constitutional grounds.

SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

The legislators got drunk on Biden love. As for lickenpooper, I’m sure he’s been promised a job at the federal level if he signs these into law, so he wouldn’t care if he got recalled or not.

deuce on March 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

True – but in a recall, Hicky could be replaced with a Republican candidate – which would not look good on his resume – and he might be concerned about being the key factor in turning Colorado back to Republican control.

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 6:53 PM

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Just pointing the historical precedence of what can happen.

The Colorado magazine ban wasn’t passed to hurt the current end user though. It was passed to make things more difficult for gun makers, magazine makers and businesses.

How many gun manufacturers are going to change their product to be legal in Colorado? They have done it for the California market, but the time will come when even they realize they have to draw the line and just pull out of unfriendly markets. As a non-Coloradan, I want them to do it with y’all.

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 6:53 PM

If you truly believe the Dems gun-control fantasies end with what Colorado passed, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

Washington Nearsider on March 18, 2013

No doubt.

“If I could have banned them all – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!”
- Diane Feinstein

CW on March 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Ya – well if this crap gets signed, I also want to see Magpul and other companies pull out – for their own good as well as making the point to the Dems that there are consequences to their actions (typically unintended/unexpected for the Dems – because they’re clueless). I hate to see them go, but it has to happen.
But the real consequences will likely/hopefully be felt in the next election – and the recalls.

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 6:59 PM

SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Hey, penance before tangent.

Ten times on high volume. Or next time it will be the flip side of that 45. Believe me, you don’t want to have to sentenced to that one.

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM

I don’t do penance, I’m not Catholic, and I wear pants… <—- insert evil laughter here….

SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I don’t do penance, I’m not Catholic, and I wear pants…

SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 7:10 PM

You don’t recover gracefully from being wrong after ranting either…

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Some of the very glaring problems with these seemingly innocuous measures, however, is that they will still not keep guns out of the hands of criminals, they’ll impose undue burdens on law-abiding citizens

Everyone’s a criminal now anyway in our society of universal criminality. Everyone commits a felony almost every day of some sort – it’s just not prosecuted.

Why keep up the pretense? When guns are outlawed – only outlaws will carry guns.

Let’s all be outlaws (since we already are anyway).

And – why stick to 30 round mags and semi-autos? May as well go full outlaw and go for the 100 round mag full auto.

HondaV65 on March 18, 2013 at 7:17 PM

I don’t do penance, I’m not Catholic, and I wear pants…

SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 7:10 PM

You don’t recover gracefully from being wrong after ranting either…

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Wrong here is a subjective term since I disagree fundamentally regarding the intentions of those behind the 1934 National Firearms Act. The 1934 National Firearms Act was not so much an attempt to disarm Americans as it was a paranoid reactionary response to the Bank Robbing Gangster activities that were a direct result of Prohibition. Where as The Gun Control Act of 1968 was a Marxist political decision specifically to disarm the American people.

SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Wrong here is a subjective term since I disagree fundamentally regarding the intentions of those behind the 1934 National Firearms Act.
SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Your rant was about Miller being directly responsible for the NFA. Which was so wrong that it was backwards.

The NFA was the genesis of national firearms restrictions. Are the current laws not also paranoid reactionary responses to perceived problems that will have no affect on those perceived problems?

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Are the current laws not also paranoid reactionary responses to perceived problems that will have no affect on those perceived problems?

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

No, they are not. They are taking advantage of recent tragedies, the difference is extremely profound.

SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 7:51 PM

If you like your gun, you can keep your gun.

ardenenoch on March 18, 2013 at 7:54 PM

SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Tomaytoe, tamahtoe

You still really screwed the pooch about Miller.

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Hickenlooper signed two measures, the background checks and mag size restriction.

Here is your chance CO.

tom daschle concerned on March 18, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Hickenlooper: Large mags can turn killers into killing machines

Denver Post

tom daschle concerned on March 18, 2013 at 8:02 PM

tom daschle concerned on March 18, 2013 at 8:01 PM

He signed, huh.

Here is your chance CO.

states wanting to attract some new businesses.

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 8:07 PM

So, Colorado sheriffs are going to enforce Democratic-passed gun control laws like Obama enforces immigration law.

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

Resist We Much on March 18, 2013 at 8:15 PM

He signed, huh.

Wednesday, I misstated in my post. He will sign Wednesday.

tom daschle concerned on March 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

tom daschle concerned on March 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Lobbyists milking that cash cow for two more days.

cozmo on March 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Number of lives that will be saved 0
Number of potential criminals created 5,187,582

tom daschle concerned on March 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

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Resist We Much on March 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM

I wonder if Blancon was communicating something further with the big, um, donkey?

davidk on March 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Some of the very glaring problems with these seemingly innocuous measures, however, is that they will still not keep guns out of the hands of criminals…

That was never the point anyway. If the proggies wanted to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, they would rigorously enforce existing laws. They refuse to do so for a variety of reasons, one of which is that doing so puts their voters in jail.

The point is big government, and more control over the people.

slickwillie2001 on March 18, 2013 at 8:37 PM

It’s all CRAP. All you people in CO better un-elect these asshats or you all deserve it.

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davidk on March 18, 2013 at 9:03 PM

The point is big government, and more control over the people.

slickwillie2001 on March 18, 2013 at 8:37 PM

That’s it in a nutshell.

The tree of liberty needs some refreshing.

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tom daschle concerned on March 18, 2013 at 9:10 PM

80% and counting of NYS counties, have pass resolutions telling Governor Cuomo, that they are not going to enforce his unconstitutional gun garbing NYS safe act. Here in NYS opposition to the NYS act continues to grow, massive civil disobedience is planed, no one is going to register any of their rifles, the safe act calls for.

Beastdogs on March 18, 2013 at 9:19 PM

davidk on March 18, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Does this mean that they think that rape is, after all, a laughing matter?

Resist We Much on March 18, 2013 at 9:36 PM

We’ve fallen into this trap of arguing our rights as either constitutional or not.

I don’t think this was how our founders argued individual rights … since, there was no constitution yet. They argued that these were human rights, God given. At the least.. the rights for all men.

But we keep arguing them as “constitutional.” Well, what happens tomorrow if the SC strikes them all down? How will we argue that they are constitutional?

I really seldom hear any conservatives taking the position that these are God given rights for all mankind! Or, at the least, if you don’t believe in God.. these are the rights of man!

Self defense is a basic human right! And must be protected at all cost. The elites have the power to defend themselves, whether through the Secret Service, security guards or private body guards.. and yet they demand we not have that right! We’re too stupid and foolish to be able to protect ourselves. We’ll shoot our own feet off or the foot of someone else. Their children will continue to be protected by the best hired guns available.. but ours must remain defenseless!

And while they demand our children and families disarm they also release criminals into communities! The same President and government who now demands we be defenseless is the same one who just released 2000 criminals onto our streets!

We have to get back to defending our rights as fundamental rights of all men! Not just whether they are constitutional or not! It was that kind of thinking that lead to our Bill of Rights!

Our ultimate foundation is God and/or the rights of man! Not the constitution!

JellyToast on March 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM

SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Whats worse about the 68 law is that they used the same language that Hitler used to disarm the Jews, and Americans bought it, and if I am not mistaken it was Schumer who had a hand in writing it, somehow the irony is to depressing there! Kinda like Catholics( read Pelosi, Biden), supporting the institution of Sanger.

MarshFox on March 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

The big azzhole of Colorado

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2013 at 10:42 PM

The one “bright spot” in all of this, if you can call it that, is that whatever we currently own is grandfathered in as legal to possess.
However – you can’t legally sell it or give it to any of your family.

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Don’t get swindled into thinking that is a “bright spot”. Basically that means after one generation has come to pass in Colorado none of the items grandfathered in will be legally able to exist in Colorado. May take them 60, 70, or 80 years, but they eventually get their end goal of complete removal of the items.

deuce on March 18, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Not sure I understand your arguments here, nor false hope. The law, as it reads, does in fact say that one can “grandfather” certain magazines. But where does the law say that they can be USED? You can hoard a warehouse full of them, to your heart’s content, but what happens when a cop visits a local gun range and sees those used? Or game warden sees one used for hunting? I seriously doubt that ANY sheriff in CO at that point will come to the rescue and attempt to pry you away from a cell at some police department, I know they mean well and talk tough, but I really hope you don’t have to find out what they really mean.

Who cares about grandfathering when USE is outlawed? Who cares what SHERIFFS are saying and will do when people arresting you do not work for a SHERIFF?

This law is way worse than it appears at first. Pretty much any and all magazines used in semi-autos are banned now since vast majority of them is “modifiable” by definition. Even those used for 10/22 rifles and such. Many a bolt action is now a no-no if it uses a removable mag. Shot guns? Ditto.

Recalls now going on may work, but that will not invalidate the law once signed by the liberal governor who, no doubt, was already promised a visit to a Chicago bath house with a personal tour guide by Hussein himself. Or worse.

Don’t get your hopes high. And yes, I am on your side in this, but simply reading the law makes me say, Oh, Chit! I am simply surprised that idiot in GULAG and GULAG East (CA and NY) have not come up with this same BS, but I am sure its just a matter of time. No need to limit “capacity” when one can outlaw entire genre in one fell swoop.

riddick on March 18, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Colorado sheriffs: Sorry, but these new gun laws would be kind of unenforceable

Suuuuure.

They’ll buckle when/if armed Federal agents move in and announce that they’re in charge and they need to get with the program or else.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 18, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Actually all of Colorado’s county sheriffs have unanimously taken the position of denouncing the proposed legislation.

tommer74 on March 18, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Absolutely! And Terry Maketa is my Sheriff – and he’s been very vocal about this – says he “will not enforce these laws, and will interfere with anyone who tries to in his county”.

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Good. This is what needs to happen. I’m glad the sheriffs are waking up. Many people don’t realize the power that sheriffs hold. Because they are the only enforcement officers elected by the people, they hold the true power. I’ve heard several stories over the years of Federal agents threatened with jail themselves if they attempted to step over the bounds of current law, and the Constitution. This isn’t just words. Police are essential hired enforcement by cities and can still be overridden by local sheriffs. Hopefully other sheriffs begin to realize this as they are beholden to the people they represent and not to the government. They are our last line of defense. We should understand this and let them know our concerns, and support them when they need us.

dominigan on March 18, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Who cares about grandfathering when USE is outlawed? Who cares what SHERIFFS are saying and will do when people arresting you do not work for a SHERIFF?

This law is way worse than it appears at first. Pretty much any and all magazines used in semi-autos are banned now since vast majority of them is “modifiable” by definition.

riddick on March 18, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Where is “USE” outlawed? The full text of the bill does not mention “USE” anywhere it only mentions, and outlaws Sale, Transfer, and Possession after the bills go live date, with an exemption for possession of magazines owned before the go live date.

The magazines that can be modified part is BS, and limits things severely, I agree that is ridiculous.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/billcontainers/7E6713B015E62E6F87257B0100813CB5/$FILE/1224_01.pdf

deuce on March 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Suuuuure.

They’ll buckle when/if armed Federal agents move in and announce that they’re in charge and they need to get with the program or else.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 18, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Can Federal agents enforce state law?

deuce on March 18, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Where is “USE” outlawed?

deuce on March 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM

RE, straight from the bill: The bill prohibits the sale, transfer, or possession

Seems pretty clear to me. You may want to interpret that some other way, but I hope you don’t have to find out the hard way what is meant by “possession” in this bill. To me, it is what CO lawmakers want it to be.

Like I said, the bill, whether intended as such or not, is way more sinister that appears at first glance. Don’t forget that even when pointed out last week that language in the bill is somewhat vague and erroneous, bill writer admitted to it, but then said the bill does not need to be amended since “people will do the right thing…” And I am sure this “right thing” meaning is diametrically opposed to yours and mine.

riddick on March 18, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Can Federal agents enforce state law?

deuce on March 18, 2013 at 11:16 PM

They don’t have to, police departments are all over CO. And they do not report to sheriffs.

riddick on March 18, 2013 at 11:36 PM

They don’t have to, police departments are all over CO. And they do not report to sheriffs.

riddick on March 18, 2013 at 11:36 PM

The sheriffs also don’t report to the police, and can put them in jail if they overstep the law, or people’s rights. The sheriffs represent us, while the police and feds represent the government.

dominigan on March 18, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Suuuuure.

They’ll buckle when/if armed Federal agents move in and announce that they’re in charge and they need to get with the program or else.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 18, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Or else what? Well take away your milk money?

jawkneemusic on March 18, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Who cares about grandfathering when USE is outlawed? Who cares what SHERIFFS are saying and will do when people arresting you do not work for a SHERIFF?

This law is way worse than it appears at first. Pretty much any and all magazines used in semi-autos are banned now since vast majority of them is “modifiable” by definition.

riddick on March 18, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Good. The idiotic language in this bill be make it easier to defeat in court.

jawkneemusic on March 18, 2013 at 11:50 PM

The sheriffs also don’t report to the police, and can put them in jail if they overstep the law, or people’s rights. The sheriffs represent us, while the police and feds represent the government.

dominigan on March 18, 2013 at 11:43 PM

I have lived enough to know that what people say and what they actually do are way different, almost always. Been burned enough by the people I swore would never stab me in the back, hand shake deals mean only one party has to hold their end of the agreement.

Like I said, let’s hope no CO resident has to find out the hard way and I also hope it won’t come to that. I know sheriffs mean well, but then I am also convinced they won’t show up and arrest cops as you stated, nor free you from a cell. Actually, would bet against this happening. And bey big. Talk is cheap.

riddick on March 18, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Like I said, let’s hope no CO resident has to find out the hard way and I also hope it won’t come to that.

riddick on March 18, 2013 at 11:57 PM

It will happen, somebody in a very liberal county will be made an example of, just a matter of time.

I’m sure there will be an initiative on the ballot in 2014 to veto these, I wouldn’t think it would be that hard to get the ~36k signatures needed to get it on the ballot considering the signatures don’t have to be evenly spread across all districts, they can be cherry picked from the conservative ones. If the initiate failed on the ballot then it would definitely be time to move. Hate to keep running away from the problem, but Texas is sounding pretty good lately. Less winter, less idiots, and better bbq.

deuce on March 19, 2013 at 12:40 AM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uqum7rzdzwi7vgh/1224%20veto%20%282%29.pdf

This law should be a thrown in the trash should it make it to the Colorado Supreme Court.

jawkneemusic on March 19, 2013 at 1:15 AM

but Texas is sounding pretty good lately. Less winter, less idiots, and better bbq.

deuce on March 19, 2013 at 12:40 AM

We left GULAG more than a year ago hoping that Nevada will be a better place. Too bad same idiots who killed CO are now moving in droves to Las Vegas, its now only a matter of time before it’s dead as well. As much as we dislike humidity, we are already looking at Texas since AZ is only trailing NV by a year or two now.

I used to work in Denver back in early ’80s when AT&T was split up into baby bells, really loved it back then: great scenery, great people and great food. Too bad its now communist colony.

riddick on March 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM

dominigan on March 18, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Just wanted to point out that your reading of sheriff’s statement should properly reflect what he said. When he said “… sheriffs ‘won’t bother enforcing’ the laws…” what it really means is that they will PASSIVELY IGNORE the law, pretty straightforward and simple.

Nowhere is he or any other sheriff is saying they will ACTIVELY RESIST it. Huge difference and very key to the discussion.

Same as careful reading of the CO law makes for some very startling realizations. POSSESSING is not same as USING. Ask the guy in NY Upstate who is now facing at least 5 years for simply transporting 5 EMPTY AR-15 magazines in his car trunk, retired military and all that jazz. What you think the law means and what liberal prosecutors, judges and juries do are very different things, by a mile. Thinking that some yahoo sheriff out there will actually care to arrest cops who arrested you is beyond silly, its criminal on your part for believing some fairy tale from a sheriff.

In GULAG, just last week, they had a confiscation party, by a special police force that in no way relates to any sheriff department. Its nice to hear from sheriffs across the land, but its pretty much talk and nothing else, I guess everyone wants their 15 minutes. When they make a clear statement that they WILL AGGRESSIVELY go after cops arresting people I may change my views, but right now I am sure they are nothing but cheap publicity stunts.

riddick on March 19, 2013 at 2:57 AM

In GULAG, just last week, they had a confiscation party, by a special police force that in no way relates to any sheriff department. Its nice to hear from sheriffs across the land, but its pretty much talk and nothing else, I guess everyone wants their 15 minutes. When they make a clear statement that they WILL AGGRESSIVELY go after cops arresting people I may change my views, but right now I am sure they are nothing but cheap publicity stunts.

riddick on March 19, 2013 at 2:57 AM

Nothing is going to change. In fact, if they get away with this, other states are going to follow. Here in PA, we have an attorney general that has promised to go after guns in a big way. We have a Rep. Governor, but the attorney general is a liberal Dem. She’ll probably be running for governor at some point in the future.

If Republican fought like Democrats there would be protests in the streets and at these elected officials homes. Look at how the Democrats fought Scott Walker. They were and are relentless. And they don’t care about court’s decisions.

We sit around waiting for the Supreme Court to rescue us. Democrats pass laws in spite of the Supreme Court. You would think we didn’t have a recent ruling from the court upholding gun rights. It’s like it never even happened.

Yeah, it really doesn’t matter whether something is grandfathered or not. That’s just to appease gun owners.. to make them think they won’t be affected. But you are right, let some city cop find out you have a gun and they will come into your home and seize it. Let them see you with it at the range, and you will be arrested and your gun seized. What do they care? It’ll be up to you later during the trial to prove your gun was grandfathered or not. Either way… the final decision will be the government. There are no basic freedoms recognized here. It doesn’t come down to some right.. it comes down to the opinion of the government.

Again, I’ve said it before, but if Republican fought like Democrats, we’d have the flat tax and reformed social security by now.

JellyToast on March 19, 2013 at 6:48 AM

BREAKING…….bloom off Rand Paul rose as he announces Amnesty support today!

Another sellout to big business and the folly of adding 14 million new Democrat voters and 6 million new republicans!!

Goodbye Texas, you’ll be blue soon. Hello permanent Communist/Democrat rule!!

The victory belongs to THE SMART PARTY!

PappyD61 on March 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

The one “bright spot” in all of this, if you can call it that, is that whatever we currently own is grandfathered in as legal to possess.

“I can’t tell you when those were sold, bought and purchased. As far as I’m concerned, they were all pre-July 1 if the governor does sign this bill,” he said.

Again, the same things that Sheriff Cooke says make this law unenforceable allow any Police Chief Gun-Grabber the ability to declare

I can’t tell you when those were sold, bought and purchased. As far as I’m concerned, they were all post-July 1 if the governor does sign this bill,” he said.

And you can say all you want about “burden of proof”; the reality is that Police Chief Gun-Grabber will have your gun and magazines confiscated as “evidence” in a criminal case…. assuming he isn’t issuing the statement over the bodies of you and your family “killed while resisting arrest.”

Chains comfortable?

SDN on March 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Cars should be limited to no more than 30mph.
tdarrington on March 18, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Interestingly enough, I was reading on Calvin Coolidge in his early days & he supported legislation that prevented cars from going over 25mph bcs of the problems of joyriding.
I had to laugh at that. Same old $hit, different era.
And from a staunch Republican.
I’m not sure he was serious in his heart about it though.

Badger40 on March 19, 2013 at 9:23 AM

That area has the most population, so it swings the elections – just like Chicago does to Illinois. Geographically speaking, most of Colorado is very red – but it’s more rural and therefore less population density – also much like Illinois.

dentarthurdent on March 18, 2013 at 6:19 PM

You know…. I wonder if the time has come for a re-arrangement of the borders? Perhaps we should split the major cities out of the states they are in, and give them their own sovereignty? Where would we draw the line? And, how many more states would we get? Would it (in the long run) balance out in the Senate (with states turning red, and the new Senators being primarily blue)? How about in the EC?

he supported legislation that prevented cars from going over 25mph bcs of the problems of joyriding.

Badger40 on March 19, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Give him credit though – 25MPH was a blistering speed back then.

GWB on March 19, 2013 at 10:09 AM

When they make a clear statement that they WILL AGGRESSIVELY go after cops arresting people I may change my views, but right now I am sure they are nothing but cheap publicity stunts.

riddick on March 19, 2013 at 2:57 AM

From one of El Paso County (CO) Sheriff Terry Maketa’s press releases”

I stand firmly against, any effort that infringes on the rights of law abiding citizens to own and posses firearms of their choice. Furthermore, I will actively oppose any effort that infringes upon your second amendment rights.

Like every elected official in the state, I took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Colorado. This means all rights. Prior to being elected as Sheriff, I took the same oath as a Deputy Sheriff and prior to my law enforcement career, I was a firearms enthusiast and sportsman. I am among the millions of Americans who chooses to exercise their right to bear arms and I avoid judgment of those who choose not to. Today and everyday into the future, I will continue to not only exercise this right but ensure that our law abiding citizens’ right to bear arms is protected. I personally believe this right among others is non-negotiable. Some have suggested this is a political issue or a right and left issue. I strongly oppose that suggestion. This is a constitutional rights issue and we should all stand by this document which is the foundation of this nation.

dentarthurdent on March 19, 2013 at 10:35 AM

And you can say all you want about “burden of proof”; the reality is that Police Chief Gun-Grabber will have your gun and magazines confiscated as “evidence” in a criminal case…. assuming he isn’t issuing the statement over the bodies of you and your family “killed while resisting arrest.”

SDN on March 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Yes, this will happen. Most likely in one of the Denver / Boulder area jursidictions, as the municipal police in those areas are just as libtard as the politicians. Very likely a situation like this will be the first legal test of the laws. I hope the NRA is ready to jump in and help when the time comes.

dentarthurdent on March 19, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Sure…just cherry pick the laws you like/don’t like.
That’s real Sheriff’in for ya.

verbaluce on March 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Sure…just cherry pick the laws you like/don’t like.
That’s real Sheriff’in for ya.

verbaluce on March 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM

You mean like Obumble and Holder choosing not to enforce imiigration laws, voter intimidation laws, public office “sunshine laws”, and such?

But unlike libtards like you and your messiah, these Sheriffs understand their oath of office is to uphold and defend the US Constitution, and any law that violates constitutional rights is an illegal law.

dentarthurdent on March 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

To paraphrase the FLOTUS, “For the first time, I’m ashamed to be a Coloradoan.”

(No, make it the second time. I was in 2012 also.)

I looked on the net the other day and found that per car there are three times the number of deaths than there are deaths per gun. I wrote the gov suggesting that he widen I-25 between Colorado Springs and Castle Rock before passing this legislation. I’m sure you can guess how that’ll fly.

NoPain on March 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

You mean like Obumble and Holder choosing not to enforce imiigration laws, voter intimidation laws, public office “sunshine laws”, and such?

But unlike libtards like you and your messiah, these Sheriffs understand their oath of office is to uphold and defend the US Constitution, and any law that violates constitutional rights is an illegal law.

dentarthurdent on March 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

You forgot a little thing called the Defense of Marriage Act, that they capriciously decided not to enforce.

CurtZHP on March 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM

You forgot a little thing called the Defense of Marriage Act, that they capriciously decided not to enforce.

CurtZHP on March 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Just too many for me to remember ALL of them……

dentarthurdent on March 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Brown shirts do not work for free and only brown shirts will go door to door to collect guns.

tjexcite on March 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Brown shirts do not work for free and only brown shirts will go door to door to collect guns.

tjexcite on March 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I wouldn’t want to be the first brown shirt through the door.

CurtZHP on March 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

..good for the CO sheriffs and all the other folks taking part in this people’s revolt against tyranny.

There is this dichotomy of thought that Obama is sinister and is unfolding an evil plan to take down this nation on one hand and that he is a bumbling, ignorant fool on the other.

This attempt by him and his coterie of commie sycophants to erase firearm ownership from the American scene is a classic example of his stupidity, however. The public — seeing this threat to the first, second, fourth, and tenth amendments — have reacted by buying more guns, ammunition, and even the wherewithal to produce same.

This has driven demand for all items through the roof — including those goods and services on the periphery of the question. It’s annoying and yet satisfying to put in an order for a reloading press, dies, powder, bullets, brass, etc. and be told that you have a six-month wait until you receive the items you ordered.

Wolverines!

The War Planner on March 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM

But unlike libtards like you and your messiah, these Sheriffs understand their oath of office is to uphold and defend the US Constitution, and any law that violates constitutional rights is an illegal law.

dentarthurdent on March 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Let’s specify that the sheriffs probably take an oath to uphold and defend the Colorado constitution, primarily. Which, of course, has that little prohibition on restricting guns……..

GWB on March 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM

The problem is pretty simple…Colorado was invaded for over a decade by Ex-Pats from California. They destroyed their home state and are bound and determined to make Colorado over in the image of the rot that is California. About 1 vote in 5 is from the invaders…Unless the native born Coloradans vote as a block against the California parasites, the state will grow worse and worse…

JIMV on March 19, 2013 at 1:54 PM

We can’t count on Sheriff’s to protect us from Federal laws.
We can’t count on the SCOTUS to protect us from unconstitutional laws.

We can count on Democrats to lie, and the media to spread those lies, in order achieve the utopia they seek.

IcePilot on March 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

dentarthurdent on March 19, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Talk is cheap. This is TX, not CO, and sheriff in TX knows no one is stupid enough to show up and try to confiscate guns. Its like Putin saying he will defend communism in a communist country.

When you hear CO sheriff say that let me know since this thread was on Colorado law and my read on it as well as CO sheriff making a statement. The guy went for easy and free publicity.

riddick on March 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

When you hear CO sheriff say that let me know since this thread was on Colorado law and my read on it as well as CO sheriff making a statement. The guy went for easy and free publicity.

riddick on March 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Ya – I agree – talk is cheap. ALL of the county sheriffs in Colorado are saying the same thing though – but not State Patrol or municipal police. We’ll just have to see come 1 July whether they realiy have the cojones to back up that talk.

dentarthurdent on March 19, 2013 at 4:49 PM

BTW, Sheriff Cooke of Weld County, Colorado will be interviewed by Greta Van Susterern on Fox tonight

Jack Slade on March 19, 2013 at 7:42 PM

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