Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on March 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

Save for a punchline from GOP mega-donor Foster Friess about the Chick-fil-A protests and a full-throated speech from former Sen. Jim DeMint, the conversation from CPAC’s main stage about gay marriage has been non-existent. More time was devoted to panel discussions about women’s issues and abortion than to gay marriage.

It was an especially stark contrast on a day when the Republican establishment was answering questions about Portman’s conversion on gay marriage. Instead of being lambasted in speeches, it was as if Portman didn’t exist…

Voters are mostly “not going to bed at night worrying about gay marriage, quite frankly,” no matter their feelings on the issue, said Republican strategist John Brabender, who has worked with Santorum for decades. “They’re wondering why their paycheck is going down.”

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Portman’s move, and his timing, angered those, like Brian Brown of the National Organization for Marriage, who have been working to stop efforts to legalize same-sex marriage.

Brown said he believes that Portman coordinated his announcement with same-sex marriage supporters.

“There is a concerted effort to pick off Republicans and make us appear divided,” he said, arguing that same-sex marriage efforts have only succeeded in “deep blue states that Republicans have not won statewide in forever.”…

“He’s going to be held accountable by the voters of Ohio,” said Brown, who was attending the annual Conservative Political Action Conference outside Washington. “The issue of his son going out as gay is not a public policy decision.”

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In response to the Portman endorsement, a spokesman for Republican House Speaker John Boehner said, “Senator Portman is a great friend and ally, and the Speaker respects his position, but the speaker continues to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.”

It was a sentiment echoed by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who said, “As a matter of personal religious conviction, I’ve always believed in marriage, I believe in the traditional marriage between a man and a woman. But again, I think Senator Portman is entitled to his positions, and you know we are a party of diversity and, I think, of respect.”…

Renee Knight Leberry, from South Carolina, who also personally opposes same-sex marriage, said that she didn’t think Portman’s conservative credentials were diminished at all by his pronouncement on Friday.

“I respect him; it’s his choice, and as a Christian conservative, I respect anybody’s choice. That’s his son, and he loves his son. I don’t think it would be right to judge him for supporting his son.”

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Even if you support some kind of conservative accommodation to same-sex unions, it’s not ideal to have conservatives “seeing the light” because it affects them personally, even if they couch their conversions, as Portman does, in terms of his gay son helping him “gain a new perspective.” Empathy is a crucial moral virtue, but it isn’t always the best guide to public-policy debates, pace our friends on the left.

Besides, there are big, angry blocs on both sides of the issue that are unlikely to give Portman the benefit of the doubt. (As I’m writing this, Matt Yglesias is insufferably tweeting about how global warming is going to wipe several small islands off the map and how it’s “too bad Portman’s son doesn’t live on one.”) It’s eerie how closely Portman’s CNN interview mirrored President Obama’s on the issue, right down to the torrent of disclaimers up front (“I just feel that for me personally it’s important to affirm. . .”). But unlike the famous evolver-in-chief — who was always given winking credit on the progressive left for being secretly pro-gay-marriage, even as he extolled traditional marriage — Portman is going to be treated as self-serving by majorities on both sides.

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Why, they asked, should it take the realization that a member of your family is affected to arrive at a position that reflects nothing more or less than a regard for equal rights and a belief in justice? And if same-sex marriage isn’t just—which is what the many lawmakers who oppose it evidently believe—then should your position on it change merely because it hits close to home and because opposition has a negative practical impact on someone dear to you?

Those are great questions. Appropriate ones, too. But to a certain extent, they ignore human nature—the imperfections of it, the complexities of it—and they disregard how many people who support gay rights got to the place they now proudly inhabit…

In any case, my question for and about Portman, a decent and thoughtful man I’ve known for many years, isn’t why it took a gay son to move him to his current stance, but whether it really took a gay son to do that, and whether he was here or almost here a while back, but just didn’t say so.

What’s too infrequently noted or written is how many Republicans who aren’t on the party’s far right have privately, silently accepted and supported gays and lesbians but have stayed publicly mum, and articulated contrary positions, in the interests of political survival. A big part of what’s changing now isn’t their hearts. It’s their belief that they can be true to their hearts without committing political suicide, because America has made extraordinary progress, and because there’s no turning back.

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Far from touching off a Beltway political firestorm, Portman’s announcement that he has a gay son and now supports same-sex marriage drew a muted or even positive response from his fellow members of the Republican elite.

The reality Portman’s flip-flop exposed is this: among the Republican political community, the people who actually run campaigns and operate super PACs, support for gay marriage is almost certainly a solid majority position. Among strategists born after the end of the Vietnam War, it’s not even a close call…

“While age is an obvious factor that relates to views on the issue of gay marriage, so too does income, education level, living in the Northeast. If you think about many political consultants being upper-income Northeastern folks, then that might contribute to them [leaning] more favorably toward gay marriage than Republicans more broadly,” said Anderson, who supports gay marriage…

“The political consulting class in the Republican Party is, and has been for a long time, well to the left of the Republican voters. Whether folks like that or not, it’s just plain true,” said GOP strategist Curt Anderson, no squish himself.

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Mr. Portman’s announcement, which he said he made in part because his son is gay, has so far yielded relatively little pushback from Republicans on blogs and social media, or from other Republican office-holders. Instead, gay rights advocates are increasingly finding support from influential Republicans.

But the rank and file of the Republican Party may be different, and the polling suggests that they have largely not changed their views on same-sex marriage…

According to an average of seven recent surveys on same-sex marriage, as shown in the chart above, only 26 percent of Republicans support same-sex marriage rights as compared with 54 percent of independents and 66 percent of Democrats. Attitudes among Republican voters may shift on the issue by 2016, particularly if more respected conservatives like Mr. Portman announce their support for same-sex marriage, but it is less than clear that his position will reflect a broadly acceptable viewpoint among Republican primary and caucus voters by that time.

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The question is whether same-sex marriage rises to the level of a “gateway issue” — that is, whether opposition to same-sex marriage causes voters not to consider supporting Republicans.

Republican consultant Liz Mair cited an analysis of polling by Freedom to Marry, an organization supporting same-sex marriage, showing 51% of Republicans under age 30 support gay marriage. “There’s something that needs to be addressed here, and it needs to be addressed now,” she said…

Republican support of gay marriage might draw new supporters, National Review columnist Jonah Goldberg said during the panel discussion, but at a cost. “You’re going to have to show me where we’re going to replace the 30 million evangelicals and social conservatives who will leave,” if the party embraces gay marriage.

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Progressives are wrong to demand tolerance and denounce rhymes-with-late. People advocating for the liberty to love must also protect the liberty to rhymes-with-late and leave others be regarding their beliefs and emotions. The correct approach is the conservative one, which is concerned with limiting the coercive powers of government. This means that social conservatism has no business coveting the coercive powers of government to impose religious beliefs in civil law. It means that in a nation founded on the protection of religious liberty, social conservatives must be content with what they can accomplish in the marketplace of ideas using only the powers of persuasion. In the marketplace of ideas, they can believe anything and be as rhymes-with-lateful as they want…

However, regarding conservative gays being treated courteously by conservatives, I do say there is no such thing as a courteous way to tell gays they are unworthy of equality. It is indeed an intrinsically offensive statement to make and position to hold. (It’s worth noting I first said this to Mark Steyn when he was standing in for Rush Limbaugh in 2010 and he invited gay conservatives to call in and discuss how we were being treated by the tea party. I told him I’ve been treated very well by the tea party — except for that.)…

So, what is it like being gay at CPAC? More than ever, it’s a joy. The only true friends gays have are conservatives. We can settle our differences in Constitutional terms, which will be articulated by conservative attorney Ted Olson before the Supreme Court when he argues for marriage equality in the Prop 8 and Defense of Marriage Act cases before it on March 26 and 27.

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“Well, our country is dealing with changing attitudes and prejudices relating to gay people,” [GOProud Executive Director Jimmy LaSalvia] told us. “I think that people who just don’t like gay people are bigots, but I don’t think that people who are wrestling with the issue or thinking about the issue differently are necessarily anti-gay. I just don’t …. I know that many people, like you heard tonight, come at it from a religious tradition, and you know, they’re struggling with the issue. But I can’t call them bigots, because I don’t believe that many people in their hearts truly just don’t like gay people.”

To Margaret Hoover, the Republican gay-rights activist (and great-granddaughter of Herbert), such a position is a diplomatic necessity for someone trying to win over fellow Republicans to the cause of gay rights. “Jimmy’s trying to grow a movement,” she told us…

“I don’t want to call people bigots! I don’t think it’s helpful,” she told us. “Because you know what, what does that get me?”

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Via Mediaite.


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Sounds like CPAC had some fabulous speeches.

Congrats to Senator Paul on his win.

gophergirl on March 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Ssssshhhhhh…everybody be very very quiet. The place is infested with weirdo’s tonight And I don’t mean the fun weirdos like me, tonight.

cozmo on March 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM

“The political consulting class in the Republican Party is, and has been for a long time, well to the left of the Republican voters. Whether folks like that or not, it’s just plain true,” said GOP strategist Curt Anderson

Yup.

Stoic Patriot on March 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

“He’s going to be held accountable by the voters of Ohio,” said Brown, who was attending the annual Conservative Political Action Conference outside Washington. “The issue of his son going out as gay is not a public policy decision.”

Sen. Portman single-handedly forfeited his seat to a Democrat four years before the fact. That in itself is pretty remarkable.

I know I will never vote for a dishonest opportunist like him ever again. Hell, I’d even vote for the Dem nominee so as to punish him. At least the Dem would be honest… wrong, but honest.

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

But unlike the famous evolver-in-chief — who was always given winking credit on the progressive left for being secretly pro-gay-marriage, even as he extolled traditional marriage — Portman is going to be treated as self-serving by majorities on both sides.

That’s certainly how I feel on this, anyway. Otherwise, he’d have changed his position with little fanfare at the time his son came out to him and supposedly changed his mind. Not now, with CPAC in full swing and gay issues vacuuming up all the media oxygen these days. And certainly not with a media blitz.

KingGold on March 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

This means that social conservatism has no business coveting the coercive powers of government to impose religious beliefs in civil law.

I’m done with this mis-characterization shit. I want nothing less than a 4 way split among the main ideological lines. One nation for the progressives, one for the libertarians, one for socons and one for fiscal conservatives. It has become painfully obvious that we can never get along, so lets juts divorce.

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

*just. Anger killed my spelling.

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Republicans realize it’s only a matter of time before they lose on this issue for good. I say it’s about time — there are so many more important issues to fight for.

stuckinwisconsin on March 16, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Ssssshhhhhh…everybody be very very quiet. The place is infested with weirdo’s tonight And I don’t mean the fun weirdos like me, tonight.

cozmo on March 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM

You mean furries?

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 8:45 PM

HA is getting very predictable…

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 8:46 PM

People like Liz Mair(who is more than a few years older than I am) and Margaret Hoover is why I’ve quit mainstream politics and have pretty much turned to the dark side.

I don’t want to fit in and win in the modern world, I want to revolt against it.

ninjapirate on March 16, 2013 at 8:47 PM

HA is getting very predictable…

d1carter on March 16, 2013 at 8:46 PM


It pisses me off..:)

Electrongod on March 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I’m done with this mis-characterization shit. I want nothing less than a 4 way split among the main ideological lines. One nation for the progressives, one for the libertarians, one for socons and one for fiscal conservatives. It has become painfully obvious that we can never get along, so lets juts divorce.

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

That might be crazy enough to work. But only if mass deportation and forced relocation is implemented. And the progs only get California and Vermont. That’s it.

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Electrongod on March 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM

No, no, no…you did that wrong.

cozmo on March 16, 2013 at 8:51 PM

This means that social conservatism has no business coveting the coercive powers of government to impose religious beliefs in civil law.

First off, one does not have to be religious to be a social conservative. One just has to recognize how expanding government licensing and protective classes is going to clash with the majority of people in this country and be used as a bat against everyone else opening up pandora’s box to be against gay marriage…

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 8:51 PM

No, no, no…you did that wrong.

cozmo on March 16, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Whoa..

I like your link better..

*clink*

Electrongod on March 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

That might be crazy enough to work. But only if mass deportation and forced relocation is implemented. And the progs only get California and Vermont. That’s it.

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM

That would be an acceptable compromise. Also, I plan on trolling this plan out everytime someone says that socons are dying (or other such things). The blink of national divorce.

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I really think we should change this site’s name to Gayair. And allah should be come gaypundit. I swear all the crap going down and this is what we focus on. Some Senator’s son comes out and he decides to change his mind on gay marriage.

The only news here is that another Republican is turning on his own constitutients. And that isn’t even frickin news, because the majority of them have done it.

In ten years, we will be talking about transgender rights, and how this poor Republican changed his mind about the state paying for sex changes because his son/daughter came out as transgender..

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 8:57 PM

*clink*

Electrongod on March 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Too late, I’m half in the bag already.

cozmo on March 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Too late, I’m half in the bag already.

cozmo on March 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I started 3 hours ago..
I don’t know how long I will last..
Have AP ban me if I begin to slur..:)

Electrongod on March 16, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Portman has broken faith with the people of Ohio who elected him. A sorry disappointment. Buckeyes thought they were voting for a conservative.

indypat on March 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM

In ten years, we will be talking about transgender rights, and how this poor Republican changed his mind about the state paying for sex changes because his son/daughter came out as transgender..

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Thank you melle much. I’ve just decided to give in. :)

arnold ziffel on March 16, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Thank you melle much. I’ve just decided to give in. :)

arnold ziffel on March 16, 2013 at 9:03 PM

West Side story.. How very gay of you arnold. :)

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Oh dear. Looks like tonight is a good night to watch the Netflix rather than hang out here at QOTD. Maybe I’ll lurk here and there though…so know that Jackalope is watching you!

Jackalope on March 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM

“Conservatives”(whatever that word means anymore) should oppose homosexual marriage because it’s the disgusting result of a culture of equalism and interchangeability.

ninjapirate on March 16, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Executive Director Jimmy LaSalvia remains the main reason GOProud was not invited to CPAC. His remaining as THE Executive after insulting CPAC remains relevant.

I hope every GOP elitist runs on giving marriage rights to gays. That will make TEAnami 2014 so much easier to accomplish!

DannoJyd on March 16, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I really think we should change this site’s name to Gayair. And allah should be come gaypundit. I swear all the crap going down and this is what we focus on. Some Senator’s son comes out and he decides to change his mind on gay marriage.

Conservatives would be on the winning side of the issue if the belligerence stopped. Instead, they keep kicking our heads and screaming at the top of their lungs, knowing that eventually we cave. Instead, it’s nonstop stories here and there about every issue that is solvable after the fiscal mess is cleaned up.

Its why I now favor national divorce along the main ideological line (progressive, social con, fiscal con, libertarian).

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Marriage is a SOCIAL institution and thus should reflect the values of a given society – so there is no objective “wrong” as many of you social conservatives claim. Because our society’s values have changed, I have no problem with having out social institutions reflect those changes.

stuckinwisconsin on March 16, 2013 at 9:13 PM

ninjapirate on March 16, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Congratulations! You reached the right conclusion with the wrong reason but you did arrive where you needed to be.

DannoJyd on March 16, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I hope every GOP elitist runs on giving marriage rights to gays. That will make TEAnami 2014 so much easier to accomplish!

There’s nothing you can do. The game is rigged. Don’t revolt against the GOP establishment… revolt against the theater called “democracy”

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)

ninjapirate on March 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM

I really think we should change this site’s name to Gayair. And allah should be come gaypundit.

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 8:57 PM

LMAO!!!

Your entire post IS relevant, but I liked that part the best.

DannoJyd on March 16, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Closing night of CPAC, 3 kick ass speeches, and the QOTD is about Portmans weakness of character?

Goodnight.

portlandon on March 16, 2013 at 9:16 PM

In ten years, we will be talking about transgender rights, and how this poor Republican changed his mind about the state paying for sex changes because his son/daughter came out as transgender..

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 8:57 PM

if you google it you’ll find some insurance companies already do pay for sex mutilation surgeries. It’s also how Iran says they have no homosexuals, they just change your sex. Parody is dead. Unless you want to turn to the bestiality topic. That’ll be the next group seeking equal rights.

Fenris on March 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM

The “elites” want gay marriage and they’re going to get it. And there is nothing anyone can do about it, because people with loads of $$$ call the shots in the West.

And those loads of $$$ buy off plenty of universities, air time, and pad many, many “think tanks” and other organizations deployed for public agitation. Oh, and let us not forget politicians.

You’re going to have gay marriage and whatever else tickles the fancy of the well-to-do. They have the gold, make the rules, and many of them are cultural Leftists.

Punchenko on March 16, 2013 at 9:19 PM

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Mischaracterization is correct.

A mischaracterization of marriage and a mischaracterization of those who defend it.

As has been said, gay is not the new black.

INC on March 16, 2013 at 9:19 PM

portlandon on March 16, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Well, yes, because HA has become a propaganda machine to redefine marriage.

INC on March 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I really think we should change this site’s name to Gayair.

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 8:57 PM

GayGas has a better ring to it…

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Sex change rights will be the next thing they cry about and the sexy hunk of man meat Chaz Bono will lead the charge!

GhoulAid on March 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Voters are mostly “not going to bed at night worrying about gay marriage, quite frankly,” no matter their feelings on the issue, said Republican strategist John Brabender

…except at Hot Air!

KOOLAID2 on March 16, 2013 at 9:22 PM

GayGas has a better ring to it…

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

But a very bad smell…

cozmo on March 16, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Howdy.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM

GhoulAid on March 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Will male porn stars donate their organs so their legacy can live on…and stay gainfully employed?

cozmo on March 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Resist We Much on March 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

La Shawn Barber has written several posts on Loving v. Virginia, a 1967 SCOTUS decision on Virginia’s anti-miscegenation law, in which she answers the arguments of those who cite the illegality of racial discrimination as a rationale to justify redefining marriage.

Homosexuals have cited Loving v. Virginia and the entire Civil Rights movement in their quest to legalize marriage between two men. Aside from the moral outrage this should generate in the black community, marriage between a man and woman of different races and marriage between people of the same sex aren’t comparable at all. Marriage is a legal union recognize by the states as serving fundamental purposes: provides structure for family formation and rearing children, and provides a stabilizing influence that benefits the whole society.

Dennis Prager makes an irrefutable point.

…if opposition to same-sex marriage is as immoral as racism, why did no great moral thinker, in all of history, ever advocate male-male or female-female marriage? …no one – … nor even a single anti-religious secular thinker of the Enlightenment — ever advocated redefining marriage to include members of the same sex.

To argue that opposition to same-sex marriage is immoral is to argue that every moral thinker, and every religion and social movement in the history of mankind prior to the last 20 years in America and Europe was immoral. About no other issue could this be said. Every moral advance has been rooted in prior moral thinking.

The Institute for Propaganda Analysis labeled their first identified propaganda technique as Name Calling. Being labeled as a racist is no childhood taunt, but a dangerous device used to stigmatize, intimidate, and delegitimize those who defend marriage. At its worse it is a device to restrict religious freedom in our country and make it illegal for Christians to voice their opinion in the public square.

INC on March 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM

A public relations campaign has been launched to gain support in the African-American community for traditional marriage. The campaign is backed by a new coalition of Cook County African-American clergymen and the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. They hope to strengthen opposition to the redefinition of marriage bill pending in the Illinois House of Representatives.

I’ve only listened to about the first four minutes of the video, but what I’ve heard is excellent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yRzom0Hrixo

INC on March 16, 2013 at 9:26 PM

These are the Quotes of the Day: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/03/sarah-palin-takes-cpac-by-storm/

davidk on March 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

davidk on March 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

A far better choice.

INC on March 16, 2013 at 9:29 PM

These are the Quotes of the Day: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/03/sarah-palin-takes-cpac-by-storm/

davidk on March 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

…aren’t those great!

KOOLAID2 on March 16, 2013 at 9:29 PM

These are the Quotes of the Day: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/03/sarah-palin-takes-cpac-by-storm/

davidk on March 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

We need her in charge of the RNC.

Fenris on March 16, 2013 at 9:30 PM

There’s nothing you can do. The game is rigged. Don’t revolt against the GOP establishment… revolt against the theater called “democracy”

ninjapirate on March 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Child, go speak for yourself since I, the AWE inspiring Danno Mann, was part of the HISTORIC 2010 election cycle when we took Michigan BACK from the corrupt-o-crats, got myself elected as a MIGOP Delegate, and will be part of the 2014 TEAnami while you sit home and stew in the filth delivered to you via the GOP elitists like Rove, McLame, and Willard.

Look. IF you wish to remain an irrelevant tool then that is your right, BUT if you are sick and tired of those in the GOP who remain 0bama spittle lickers then the time for you to get involved HAS ARRIVED!

“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors”. Plato

“Deeds, and not words, will paint this country red from California coast to the rocky shores.” Allen West

If not you, who? The AWE inspiring Danno Mann

DannoJyd on March 16, 2013 at 9:31 PM

These are the Quotes of the Day: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/03/sarah-palin-takes-cpac-by-storm/

davidk on March 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

So obvious, and worth repeating/relinking.

Jackalope on March 16, 2013 at 9:33 PM

GayGas has a better ring to it…

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Gross

CW on March 16, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Is this the Palin thread?

Bmore on March 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Howdy.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Did you get to see the speech?

predator on March 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Maybe we can just hijack this and make it a CPAC round-up thread. I mean, really, another gay thread, for QOTD? Allah is on thin ice with me…as if he cares.

Jackalope on March 16, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Is this the Palin thread?

Bmore on March 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Yes. You can fish happily right here.

SparkPlug on March 16, 2013 at 9:40 PM

INC on March 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Dude, it’s Saturday so you’ll pardon me if I don’t read your post about Loving, a case with which I am very familiar. On Saturday night, I post a photo essay. Tomorrow, I will post Sunday’s photo essay. It is actually up tonight and is on London during the Blitz, if you are interested.

I always post the photo essays on QOTD. I can say this much, though, I am glad that the “separate, but equal” inequity of Jim Crow hit you on some level and connected with the issue of SSM.

Resist We Much on March 16, 2013 at 9:40 PM

predator on March 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Yeah. Great!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 16, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Maybe we can just hijack this and make it a CPAC round-up thread. I mean, really, another gay thread, for QOTD? Allah is on thin ice with me…as if he cares.

Jackalope on March 16, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I’m pretty much all gayed out. A CPAC QOTD thread would have been nice.

Paul-Cincy on March 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM

“John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and Kevin McCarthy: You said all the right things to conservatives to propel the GOP back to the majority and you to the top three leadership positions in the House,” said Bozell. But, he added, “You’ve done nothing for over two years but give us excuses and more commitments that tomorrow, yes tomorrow, you’ll honor your promises. Gentlemen, where promises are concerned, you are not what you promised to be.”

Moderate Jeb Bush was next. “Jeb Bush, about those proposed tax increases of yours. Apparently you didn’t get the memo that when Republicans agree to raise taxes if Democrats will agree to cut spending, one side always keeps its word, and the other always breaks it. You also need to do some research on what happens to Bush family members who raise taxes.”

A big critic of GOP strategist Karl Rove, he laced up his gloves to hit harder. “No wonder Media Matters has called Karl Rove the Republican ‘voice of reason.’ The ultimate in cynical arrogance arrived last month when Rove and his fellow professional consultants announced the formation of the so-called Conservative Victory Project. They really thought they’d get away with it. They didn’t. You can put lipstick on a pig, but a pig it remains,” said Bozell. “The last thing the GOP needs is for the anti-conservative professional political consultant class infecting its ranks. And the last thing we conservatives want is them infiltrating ours.”

Next: Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell. “You ran, and won as a fiscal conservative. You leave punishing Virginia with the largest tax increase in history. I wish we’d never elected you.

Even Rep. Paul Ryan got Bozell-ed. “Paul Ryan, you’re a good man and you mean well, and good for you for your courage trying to reform Medicare and rid us of Obamacare. But your proposed budget that has the federal government spending $41 trillion over the next 10 years, with more and more and more spending increases every single year, and assumes all the oppressive Obamacare taxes. Congressman, that’s what liberal Democrats do, not us.”

Old bull Haley Barbour, the former Mississippi governor now back with his lobbying firm, even got whacked. “Haley Barbour, my friend, when you call for unity and on conservatives to ‘sing from the same hymnal’ and then publicly trash good conservative groups like Club for Growth for supporting good conservatives, you’re out of tune, and you’re out of line.”

No wonder HotGas has been all-gay-all-the-time…

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Maybe we can just hijack this and make it a CPAC round-up thread. I mean, really, another gay thread, for QOTD? Allah is on thin ice with me…as if he cares.

Jackalope on March 16, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I’m pretty much all gayed out. A CPAC QOTD thread would have been nice.

Paul-Cincy on March 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Agree with you both. We can turn it into one. ;)

I woke up from my nap and Coulter had just started her Q&A. Someone asked her about Christie. She said she had dumped him over “amnesty.” Hogwash. She’s trying to save face. I switched to ball games.

predator on March 16, 2013 at 9:45 PM

I woke up from my nap and Coulter had just started her Q&A. Someone asked her about Christie. She said she had dumped him over “amnesty.” Hogwash. She’s trying to save face. I switched to ball games.

predator on March 16, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Who’s this “Coulter” you speak of? Sounds like a wimpish loser to me…

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 9:48 PM

I’m pretty much all gayed out.

Paul-Cincy on March 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Um…ah…mmmm…okay.

I got nuthin’, nuthin’ that I won’t get in trouble for. But I’m still in pain from laughing so much.

cozmo on March 16, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I’d like to make a speech now…

Curtiss on March 16, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Who’s this “Coulter” you speak of? Sounds like a wimpish loser to me…

Myron Falwell on March 16, 2013 at 9:48 PM

If a Theory of Devolution exists, she is its poster child.

predator on March 16, 2013 at 9:53 PM

I look at gay people the same way I look at promiscuous unmarried straight people. Both are wrong, neither should be celebrated, neither should be illegal, and neither should be given special rights.

If that makes me hateful, so be it.

KMav on March 16, 2013 at 9:54 PM

thatsafactjack on March 16, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I didn’t catch all of his speech, but I loved what I heard.

predator on March 16, 2013 at 9:54 PM

PALIN 2016!!!

kim roy on March 16, 2013 at 9:55 PM

predator on March 16, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Good evening, gallant sir. :)

Yes. I appreciated much of what he had to say as well. I was particularly impressed with what he had to say to Boehner and company in the House about stopping funding for Obamacare. They are enabling the program by continuing to fund it. They promised not to fund it. They need to keep that promise or face being defeated at the polls for it in the next election in which they are a candidate. To be clear, such a lie should end their respective careers.

thatsafactjack on March 16, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Romney killed us on gay marriage.
That was our issue, we used to win big on that issue. And with the ChickFilA furor building, our polls were sharply on the rise. Then Romney undercut.. us. By not standing up like Huckabee and Palin and all of us for ChickFilA. That was August 2012.
There’s no question that Obama’s gay marriage proclamation, done just a few days after Romney secured the nomination, was caused by Romney himself. Obama knew Romney would not react, and it would break the morale of Republicans. We could have won the election with the gay marriage issue and the illegal immigration issues, but for Romney.

Abortion is different, though.
It’s not right to put those two issues in the same basket. The abortion issue hurts us, big time. Ask Akin. Mourdach. And it’s not just the “extremism” of those two. People really don’t want Roe overturned, and many conservatives would cross the line and vote Dem if they thought there was a real danger of Roe being overturned.

anotherJoe on March 16, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Gay fatigue.
Post traumatic gay disorder.
Gay-itis.
All fagged out.

We shall have it in the end. We shall be gay in France, we shall be gay on the beaches, we shall be gay on the landing grounds, we shall be gay in the fields and in the streets; we shall never not be gay.

“Gay is as gay does” — Forrest Gump

Paul-Cincy on March 16, 2013 at 9:57 PM

thatsafactjack on March 16, 2013 at 9:57 PM

And good evening to you, fair damsel.

Yep. I thought it would be the Senate that would fold on this. Instead, they voted unanimously to defund, and Boneless and company rushed a bill through before that could even be added. Go figure.

predator on March 16, 2013 at 10:02 PM

PALIN 2016!!!

kim roy on March 16, 2013 at 9:55 PM

…add Cruz or maybe Paul to that!

KOOLAID2 on March 16, 2013 at 10:03 PM

So called gay “marriage” will never be normal, natural, fruitful and valid. We may live with a wink and a nod to the contrary but it’s a hollow gesture.

The mill of God grinds slowly but exceedingly fine.

Mason on March 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Well my sister informed my parents that Pope Francis is the most dangerous person in the world due to his stance on gay marriage. Apparently she’s one of those liberals surprised that he’s Catholic too.

There is no way the two of us are related.

gophergirl on March 16, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Remember back in the 60′s when so many planes were hijacked to Cuba?

This thread would look good in Havana.

Curtiss on March 16, 2013 at 10:08 PM

predator on March 16, 2013 at 10:02 PM

I believe we no longer have two separate, distinct parties in this nation. We have one political class. The moment that a candidate is elected, and becomes a politician, they become a member of that elite club. They learn quickly to ‘go along to get along’ and the term ‘bipartisan’ becomes a joke. They cut deals to support one another in order to preserve and bolster their own political ambitions. “Vote for my bill and I’ll vote for yours… let me have enough to keep the suckers… uh.. I mean the folks back home… on board… and I’ll do the same for you. “

thatsafactjack on March 16, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Well my sister informed my parents that Pope Francis is the most dangerous person in the world due to his stance on gay marriage. Apparently she’s one of those liberals surprised that he’s Catholic too.

There is no way the two of us are related.

gophergirl on March 16, 2013 at 10:07 PM

LOL- I love how it is a “big surprise” that a Catholic Pope would be traditional on the definition of marriage.

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 10:11 PM

thatsafactjack on March 16, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Access to other people’s money seems to corrupt many of them, also. It’s like Sauron’s Ring of Power. It drives men mad.

predator on March 16, 2013 at 10:13 PM

LOL- I love how it is a “big surprise” that a Catholic Pope would be traditional on the definition of marriage.

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 10:11 PM

I know LOL. Not sure what she was expecting but it’s probably a good thing she didn’t say that to me. Family drama and all that.

gophergirl on March 16, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Well, it would seem, that the Nomad Generation that I so proudly belong to, has finally come of age, and is as always creating rancor within the establishment, and ready to lead us through the crisis of identity as a nation!

MarshFox on March 16, 2013 at 10:14 PM

I’m pretty much all gayed out. A CPAC QOTD thread would have been nice.

Paul-Cincy on March 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM

We’re from the same neck of the woods. And by the way, you had a very good comment on another thread about what SSM really is all about.

I woke up to yesterday’s Enquirer and thought, “Oh, well.” Then, I woke up to today’s Enquirer and thought, “Ugh,” especially after seeing that GLBT-whatever group whining about being booted from the local St. Patty’s Day parade. For many reasons, I object to gays, but their insistence about interjecting their homosexuality into everything is offputting. Because they don’t procreate–as a general rule–they have no regard for children. I’m the first to object to Viagra and whatever ads during sporting events and primetime. But I don’t see how every human endeavor has to be a proving ground for gays. Gays are entirely family unfriendly no matter how Hollywood tries to repackage them.

The more I think about Portman, the more angry I get that he dumped this during CPAC weekend and just after the GOP had turned the tables on the Left with sequester and its aftermath and with Rand Paul’s filibuster. I may still vote for him because I hated those days of two Dem senators (Glenn and Metzenbaum, who died rich in Florida to avoid Ohio’s old estate tax), but I think Portman’s a sh*thead.

Although Portman in his column allowed that he would never require a church to perform a SSM ceremony, that doesn’t cut it.

Where will Portman be when churches incur the expense of defending the lawsuits that come from such a denial? Where will Portman be when the Left sues churches to revoke their federal, state, and local income and other tax exemptions? Where will Portman be when the Left sues churches that decline to hire practicing homosexuals or who fire practicing homosexuals upon learning of their divergence from the faith? Finally, where will Portman be when the Left uses Obama’s creepy and insidious Common Core agenda to inject instruction on homosexuality to the youngest of school children–even those who attending religious schools?

BuckeyeSam on March 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Say,……is this the CPAC thread?

Bmore on March 16, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I’m going to hear Jimmy LaSalvia on Wednesday, and I, a middle aged gay man, am bringing a 20 year old lesbian to hear him. So now we gay Republicans have even managed to figure out a means of reproduction. Looking at the 2012 election statistics, this seems to be better than heterosexual Republicans are doing.

thuja on March 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Bmore on March 16, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Reportedly it is, however it could be a Palin/Gay marriage thread at any minute, so take your pick, oh and I am away from posting for a day or two and you get yourself in trouble, damn disturbers of the peace:)

MarshFox on March 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Conservatives would be on the winning side of the issue if the belligerence stopped.

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Yes. Because if there’s one thing gay activists are not, it’s belligerent.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 10:23 PM

MarshFox on March 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Me in trouble? Never!!!

Bmore on March 16, 2013 at 10:23 PM

LOL- I love how it is a “big surprise” that a Catholic Pope would be traditional on the definition of marriage.

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 10:11 PM

I know LOL. Not sure what she was expecting but it’s probably a good thing she didn’t say that to me. Family drama and all that.

gophergirl on March 16, 2013 at 10:13 PM

As soon as the new pope’s name was announced, Nicholas Kristoff of the New York Times wrote that he was “sadly traditional” on doctrine, marriage, contraception, abortion, homosexuality, etc.

I tweeted: “Only the NYT would have been expecting the Cardinals to select Ruth Bader Ginsburg as the new Pope.”

Resist We Much on March 16, 2013 at 10:24 PM

With CPAC, Rob Portman is hardly news of the day. But, obviously the non-conservatives who run this site have an agenda. See you tomorrow.

bw222 on March 16, 2013 at 10:25 PM

So now we gay Republicans have even managed to figure out a means of reproduction. Looking at the 2012 election statistics, this seems to be better than heterosexual Republicans are doing.

thuja on March 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Yeah except I am raising two future taxpayers that I biologically created without any help from a third party with my partner so there is that little tidbit. When gay Republican couples can do that together biologically, call me..

melle1228 on March 16, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Resist We Much on March 16, 2013 at 10:24 PM

LOL!

gophergirl on March 16, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I look at gay people the same way I look at promiscuous unmarried straight people. Both are wrong, neither should be celebrated, neither should be illegal, and neither should be given special rights.

If that makes me hateful, so be it.

KMav on March 16, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Can I join you in that thought?

kim roy on March 16, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Bmore on March 16, 2013 at 10:23 PM

ROFLMAO, well, I am always, because as I have been told I am quite unfiltered in my opinions:) Especially when talking to people with shiny things on their collar, what are the going to do shave my head and send me to AFG, they have already tried that, it didn’t work, made it worse, they wanted me to follow COIN strategy, I wanted Clausewitz, we learned just to disagree:)

MarshFox on March 16, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Yes. Because if there’s one thing gay activists are not, it’s belligerent.
alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 10:23 PM

The greatest proponents of gay marriage have been the belligerent activists. When the gay community actually marry in large droves, I lend them some sympathy.

nobar on March 16, 2013 at 10:33 PM

ghey,ghey, ghey,ghey, ghey,ghey, ghey,ghey, ghey,ghey,
ghey,ghey, ghey,ghey, ghey,ghey, ghey,ghey, ghey,ghey,

Enough already. CPAC SHOULD have been the topic.

koaiko on March 16, 2013 at 10:33 PM

I’m going to hear Jimmy LaSalvia on Wednesday, and I, a middle aged gay man, am bringing a 20 year old lesbian to hear him. So now we gay Republicans have even managed to figure out a means of reproduction. Looking at the 2012 election statistics, this seems to be better than heterosexual Republicans are doing.

thuja on March 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Cool, delight in your wickedness.

tom daschle concerned on March 16, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Resist We Much on March 16, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Your like the Declaration of Independence, a national treasure:)

MarshFox on March 16, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Yes. Because if there’s one thing gay activists are not, it’s belligerent.

alwaysfiredup on March 16, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Gay activists are buttligerent.

Ok, enough with the Butt jokes. Grow up people, cripes, how were you reared?

Did you get a little behind in your studies? You sure act like it.

SparkPlug on March 16, 2013 at 10:39 PM

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