Quotes of the day
posted at 8:31 pm on March 16, 2013 by Allahpundit
Save for a punchline from GOP mega-donor Foster Friess about the Chick-fil-A protests and a full-throated speech from former Sen. Jim DeMint, the conversation from CPAC’s main stage about gay marriage has been non-existent. More time was devoted to panel discussions about women’s issues and abortion than to gay marriage.
It was an especially stark contrast on a day when the Republican establishment was answering questions about Portman’s conversion on gay marriage. Instead of being lambasted in speeches, it was as if Portman didn’t exist…
Voters are mostly “not going to bed at night worrying about gay marriage, quite frankly,” no matter their feelings on the issue, said Republican strategist John Brabender, who has worked with Santorum for decades. “They’re wondering why their paycheck is going down.”
Portman’s move, and his timing, angered those, like Brian Brown of the National Organization for Marriage, who have been working to stop efforts to legalize same-sex marriage.
Brown said he believes that Portman coordinated his announcement with same-sex marriage supporters.
“There is a concerted effort to pick off Republicans and make us appear divided,” he said, arguing that same-sex marriage efforts have only succeeded in “deep blue states that Republicans have not won statewide in forever.”…
“He’s going to be held accountable by the voters of Ohio,” said Brown, who was attending the annual Conservative Political Action Conference outside Washington. “The issue of his son going out as gay is not a public policy decision.”
In response to the Portman endorsement, a spokesman for Republican House Speaker John Boehner said, “Senator Portman is a great friend and ally, and the Speaker respects his position, but the speaker continues to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.”
It was a sentiment echoed by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who said, “As a matter of personal religious conviction, I’ve always believed in marriage, I believe in the traditional marriage between a man and a woman. But again, I think Senator Portman is entitled to his positions, and you know we are a party of diversity and, I think, of respect.”…
Renee Knight Leberry, from South Carolina, who also personally opposes same-sex marriage, said that she didn’t think Portman’s conservative credentials were diminished at all by his pronouncement on Friday.
“I respect him; it’s his choice, and as a Christian conservative, I respect anybody’s choice. That’s his son, and he loves his son. I don’t think it would be right to judge him for supporting his son.”
Even if you support some kind of conservative accommodation to same-sex unions, it’s not ideal to have conservatives “seeing the light” because it affects them personally, even if they couch their conversions, as Portman does, in terms of his gay son helping him “gain a new perspective.” Empathy is a crucial moral virtue, but it isn’t always the best guide to public-policy debates, pace our friends on the left.
Besides, there are big, angry blocs on both sides of the issue that are unlikely to give Portman the benefit of the doubt. (As I’m writing this, Matt Yglesias is insufferably tweeting about how global warming is going to wipe several small islands off the map and how it’s “too bad Portman’s son doesn’t live on one.”) It’s eerie how closely Portman’s CNN interview mirrored President Obama’s on the issue, right down to the torrent of disclaimers up front (“I just feel that for me personally it’s important to affirm. . .”). But unlike the famous evolver-in-chief — who was always given winking credit on the progressive left for being secretly pro-gay-marriage, even as he extolled traditional marriage — Portman is going to be treated as self-serving by majorities on both sides.
Why, they asked, should it take the realization that a member of your family is affected to arrive at a position that reflects nothing more or less than a regard for equal rights and a belief in justice? And if same-sex marriage isn’t just—which is what the many lawmakers who oppose it evidently believe—then should your position on it change merely because it hits close to home and because opposition has a negative practical impact on someone dear to you?
Those are great questions. Appropriate ones, too. But to a certain extent, they ignore human nature—the imperfections of it, the complexities of it—and they disregard how many people who support gay rights got to the place they now proudly inhabit…
In any case, my question for and about Portman, a decent and thoughtful man I’ve known for many years, isn’t why it took a gay son to move him to his current stance, but whether it really took a gay son to do that, and whether he was here or almost here a while back, but just didn’t say so.
What’s too infrequently noted or written is how many Republicans who aren’t on the party’s far right have privately, silently accepted and supported gays and lesbians but have stayed publicly mum, and articulated contrary positions, in the interests of political survival. A big part of what’s changing now isn’t their hearts. It’s their belief that they can be true to their hearts without committing political suicide, because America has made extraordinary progress, and because there’s no turning back.
Far from touching off a Beltway political firestorm, Portman’s announcement that he has a gay son and now supports same-sex marriage drew a muted or even positive response from his fellow members of the Republican elite.
The reality Portman’s flip-flop exposed is this: among the Republican political community, the people who actually run campaigns and operate super PACs, support for gay marriage is almost certainly a solid majority position. Among strategists born after the end of the Vietnam War, it’s not even a close call…
“While age is an obvious factor that relates to views on the issue of gay marriage, so too does income, education level, living in the Northeast. If you think about many political consultants being upper-income Northeastern folks, then that might contribute to them [leaning] more favorably toward gay marriage than Republicans more broadly,” said Anderson, who supports gay marriage…
“The political consulting class in the Republican Party is, and has been for a long time, well to the left of the Republican voters. Whether folks like that or not, it’s just plain true,” said GOP strategist Curt Anderson, no squish himself.
Mr. Portman’s announcement, which he said he made in part because his son is gay, has so far yielded relatively little pushback from Republicans on blogs and social media, or from other Republican office-holders. Instead, gay rights advocates are increasingly finding support from influential Republicans.
But the rank and file of the Republican Party may be different, and the polling suggests that they have largely not changed their views on same-sex marriage…
According to an average of seven recent surveys on same-sex marriage, as shown in the chart above, only 26 percent of Republicans support same-sex marriage rights as compared with 54 percent of independents and 66 percent of Democrats. Attitudes among Republican voters may shift on the issue by 2016, particularly if more respected conservatives like Mr. Portman announce their support for same-sex marriage, but it is less than clear that his position will reflect a broadly acceptable viewpoint among Republican primary and caucus voters by that time.
The question is whether same-sex marriage rises to the level of a “gateway issue” — that is, whether opposition to same-sex marriage causes voters not to consider supporting Republicans.
Republican consultant Liz Mair cited an analysis of polling by Freedom to Marry, an organization supporting same-sex marriage, showing 51% of Republicans under age 30 support gay marriage. “There’s something that needs to be addressed here, and it needs to be addressed now,” she said…
Republican support of gay marriage might draw new supporters, National Review columnist Jonah Goldberg said during the panel discussion, but at a cost. “You’re going to have to show me where we’re going to replace the 30 million evangelicals and social conservatives who will leave,” if the party embraces gay marriage.
Progressives are wrong to demand tolerance and denounce rhymes-with-late. People advocating for the liberty to love must also protect the liberty to rhymes-with-late and leave others be regarding their beliefs and emotions. The correct approach is the conservative one, which is concerned with limiting the coercive powers of government. This means that social conservatism has no business coveting the coercive powers of government to impose religious beliefs in civil law. It means that in a nation founded on the protection of religious liberty, social conservatives must be content with what they can accomplish in the marketplace of ideas using only the powers of persuasion. In the marketplace of ideas, they can believe anything and be as rhymes-with-lateful as they want…
However, regarding conservative gays being treated courteously by conservatives, I do say there is no such thing as a courteous way to tell gays they are unworthy of equality. It is indeed an intrinsically offensive statement to make and position to hold. (It’s worth noting I first said this to Mark Steyn when he was standing in for Rush Limbaugh in 2010 and he invited gay conservatives to call in and discuss how we were being treated by the tea party. I told him I’ve been treated very well by the tea party — except for that.)…
So, what is it like being gay at CPAC? More than ever, it’s a joy. The only true friends gays have are conservatives. We can settle our differences in Constitutional terms, which will be articulated by conservative attorney Ted Olson before the Supreme Court when he argues for marriage equality in the Prop 8 and Defense of Marriage Act cases before it on March 26 and 27.
“Well, our country is dealing with changing attitudes and prejudices relating to gay people,” [GOProud Executive Director Jimmy LaSalvia] told us. “I think that people who just don’t like gay people are bigots, but I don’t think that people who are wrestling with the issue or thinking about the issue differently are necessarily anti-gay. I just don’t …. I know that many people, like you heard tonight, come at it from a religious tradition, and you know, they’re struggling with the issue. But I can’t call them bigots, because I don’t believe that many people in their hearts truly just don’t like gay people.”
To Margaret Hoover, the Republican gay-rights activist (and great-granddaughter of Herbert), such a position is a diplomatic necessity for someone trying to win over fellow Republicans to the cause of gay rights. “Jimmy’s trying to grow a movement,” she told us…
“I don’t want to call people bigots! I don’t think it’s helpful,” she told us. “Because you know what, what does that get me?”
Via Mediaite.
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(gasp) You mean someone can love a gay person and not support gay marriage.. I’m shocked I tell you, shocked!
melle1228 on April 8, 2013 at 6:03 PM
C’mon Jake do it
cmsinaz on April 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM
Yeah, sooo over this sh!t.
bernzright777 on April 8, 2013 at 6:08 PM
Incredible they would not air his story!!!
Maybe he could try Al Jezzera or the North Korea times. Better chance of real journalism than these clown channels.
acyl72 on April 8, 2013 at 6:14 PM
So he’s not a Ronald Reagan Jr?
portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 6:16 PM
None of this has anything to do with gay marriage, civil rights, gun rights, etc. This has everything to do with establishing a leftest tyranny. That is what this is all about and as always been about. I think it is high time conservatives not get sidetracked by the issue of the month or week the leftist come up with and start going after their root ideology. Pound them and label them as the communist thugs they are and never stop. Every day expose them as people who despise individual freedom and liberty and never let up.
That is what the left does to us in terms of “racism” which we all know is bogus, it is high time we give them a taste of their own medicine just that in this case it is real.
William Eaton on April 8, 2013 at 6:18 PM
There is no angle here! Happens all the time in families.
“You will always be my son, I will always love you, but I cannot accept your lifestyle choice.” The gay activists would have you think that anybody opposed to sodomite relationships would immediately throw their kid out on the streets, denounce them, and call their church up to organize a good old-fashioned stoning. That simply isn’t the case. It is as much of a lie as when they suggest that gays mate for life since the only anecdotal cases they present involve gays who have been in relationships for decades.
Happy Nomad on April 8, 2013 at 6:20 PM
Oh, now you’re bored with it. Heh.
Dongemaharu on April 8, 2013 at 6:22 PM
RRJ, BTW, isn’t gay.
Happy Nomad on April 8, 2013 at 6:22 PM
Amen, brother. I cannot believe the mileage this topic has received for such a small minority.
I guess that’s the plan: beat us to death with it.
tru2tx on April 8, 2013 at 6:22 PM
This must be fake…there’s no way an abnormal gay Christian bashing reprobate deviant would act like a responsible human being…that’s unpossible!
JetBoy on April 8, 2013 at 6:26 PM
Damn, that’s good trolling.
Allahpundit on April 8, 2013 at 6:28 PM
In todays America, this dude has a positive relationship with his dad, which is surprising. They both come from different angles, but they both realise that blood is blood, and family is family. The dumb media always tries to peddle narratives. This story doesn’t fit into their neat compartmentalized narratives. Good on Dad and son.
tommy71 on April 8, 2013 at 6:31 PM
No, but he love to take a giant crap on his dad every chance he gets.
BigWyo on April 8, 2013 at 6:35 PM
I was worried that with all the attention on the death of the towering legend of the 20th Century today that we wouldn’t be able to get back into the media jihad…………..whhhhheeeewwww.
GAYS / GUNS / AMNESTY !!!
24/7/365, all day, all night, every week, month after month after month until they wear us all down.
PappyD61 on April 8, 2013 at 6:37 PM
…all the talk of gun control…there needs to be some guidelines for the press!…this is no ‘free press’ at all…it’s a joke!
KOOLAID2 on April 8, 2013 at 6:39 PM
I didn’t know his son was a Democrat.. :)
melle1228 on April 8, 2013 at 6:40 PM
It’s simply some snark…considering the seemingly endless anti-gay crud I get, both in general and personally, on these threads. All those terms are flung at gays in general and myself repeatedly. Just wanted to flick some of it back.
Even as I was tying out that comment I had second thoughts about submitting it…but did it anyway. I probably should have take the high road in retrospect and not done so.
JetBoy on April 8, 2013 at 6:42 PM
Why isn’t Anderson Cooper interviewing them?
budfox on April 8, 2013 at 6:43 PM
lol there are more apt words for Democrats than those I chose )
JetBoy on April 8, 2013 at 6:44 PM
Naw, the snark you gave was the high road. It is one thing to have an honest debate about this topic. It is another thing to get personal. I don’t like it when gay leftist do it, and I don’t like it when traditionalists do it either. You do not deserve that BS. You seem like a wonderful person and deserve happiness no matter who you love. :)
melle1228 on April 8, 2013 at 6:45 PM
He should seriously consider it.
He’s one uptalk inflection away from being Andy Dick.
budfox on April 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM
If liberal outlets like MSNBC and CNN can’t drive wedges between people, especially among family members, they have no inclination to do such an interview. The Left succeeds best by making people suspicious of each other, and the sooner they can start a person on that road, the better. It doesn’t help a gay young teen to wonder if his family will one day reject him if/when he comes out. Having that fear, he might have some hostility toward his parents well before the matter comes to light, especially if the family is church-going. Then the Left will have another Democrat voter (or so it hopes).
Good family dynamics, despite polar opposite choices and convictions, are anathema to liberals.
Liam on April 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM
Good for him. Blood is thicker than politics. His father stood by him on what counts most, even if they may not see eye-to-eye on SSM, and he has done likewise for his dad.
JohnAGJ on April 8, 2013 at 6:53 PM
We need to eliminate the FCC. Or at the least.. make it cheap and easy for anyone to start a network out of their garage if they want to. The best way to combat the leftist networks is like anything else. Freedom and choice.
We’re considering giving up our Dish. I love Netflix and see no other reason to subscribe for a service that has nothing on it. Well.. there are a few. PawnStar’s rules. But we’re subsidizing channels like MSNBC and CNN which I don’t want and nobody watches, and yet I have to pay for.
If only they had a service where you paid for exactly what you wanted. But they don’t.
JellyToast on April 8, 2013 at 7:01 PM
Yeah. It’s like multitasking.
Of course, for some, more than one thought at a time is a hard thing.
kim roy on April 8, 2013 at 7:07 PM
“He also wants me to pay a higher estate tax than I would if i married a woman. So…there’s that.”
libfreeordie on April 8, 2013 at 7:08 PM
I know that.
I was referring to Ronald Reagan Jr loving to dump on his Dad, and the Left wing media loving to book him on their shows to do it.
portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 7:08 PM
We have been given a blueprint, but for some reason no one is paying attention:
linky
It’s a good read.
kim roy on April 8, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Let’s go for a Flat Tax, and do away with your whining all together!
portlandon on April 8, 2013 at 7:10 PM
Maybe they should be arguing for legal rights rather than for a word. It’s quite possible they would have already won if legal rights were the issue. But it’s not. But I digress.
I have yet to have anyone answer me what is wrong with using the term “civil union” and include all legal remedies available, but I’m still awaiting an answer.
Would you like to try?
kim roy on April 8, 2013 at 7:12 PM
Really are we going to talk about equal protection and taxes, because I am sure the RICH would have something to say about that Dem…
melle1228 on April 8, 2013 at 7:15 PM
This may be a difficult concept to grasp, but here goes; How about no estate tax for anybody (married, single, whatever)?
Mitoch55 on April 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM
Now that’s funny — a liberal unhappy about people having to pay higher taxes!
Oh, wait! They’re for higher taxes unless they have to pay them, like the way they loved Obamacare till they started seeing money taken from them to help pay for it.
Gotta love the irony.
Liam on April 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM
They are the Borg.
SouthernGent on April 8, 2013 at 7:24 PM
How two groups on the opposite sides of a legal question can learn to live together and still build a stronger country that allows both of them to pursue happiness should be our goal.
Hey liberals, hey MSNBC, shouldn’t it?
PattyJ on April 8, 2013 at 7:27 PM
Yet you seem oblivious to the activists who support SSM, who automatically characterize opposition to SSM as haters and homophobes. What do you consider anti-gay crud? For the most part, you seem to be offended by people who point out the truth, and then deny said truth.
JannyMae on April 8, 2013 at 7:29 PM
Aw c’mon, what’s the matter with this young man? Doesn’t he know that Rosa Parks refused to get out of her seat on the bus so that, one day, upper middle class gay White men could get married?
ardenenoch on April 8, 2013 at 7:30 PM
Said the perv who supports sex with children.
CW on April 8, 2013 at 7:34 PM
I have constantly…CONSTANTLY…been saying that the big vocal leftist gay organizations are deplorable, and don’t speak for me. It just never “clicks” with some people. Print this comment out and post in on your computer screen so y’all can finally stop accusing me of being indifferent or silent on the liberal nutball activists.
Please.
And do you see me running around the HA comments calling everyone who disagrees with SSM a “homophobe”? Come on. And if you haven’t seen some of the vile tripe aimed at homosexuals in general and at me personally as a gay dude…you haven’t been looking. But if that’s what constitutes “pointing out the truth” to you…so be it.
JetBoy on April 8, 2013 at 7:47 PM
And once again, more proof as to why the right should have made this an argument based in science, rather than scripture.
I swear to Allah, I’ll back naturalization for every hardline muslim in Europe if states start offering infertility coverage.
Good lord, how much more proof do we need that LGB is a biochemical defect?
“I put my blank in his blank, and his not pregnant. Ergo, we’re infertile”?
budfox on April 8, 2013 at 7:48 PM
I disagree with Jetboy on a number of things, but he’s an independent mind.
Jet’s no groupthinker like LibFree.
budfox on April 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM
I try to tell people all the time that this whole big push to legalize same sex marriage was not dreamed up by some gay couple who felt discriminated against. It was dreamed up by hardcore Commies, who position themselves as spokesmen for all “fill in the blank rights” movements.
Sure, they got plenty of gay people to sign on to this. Why wouldn’t they? But it wasn’t their idea, and they didn’t draw up the game plan for how to pursue this goal. And it’s really depressing and frustrating to see so many Conservatives (hello Glenn Reynolds) falling for the idea that this is a singular issue that’s not part of some larger plan.
The Leftists want to see little boys playing with dolls and wearing dresses and little girls playing with toy trucks and wearing overalls. They think traditional gender roles and heterosexuality have been forced on society by Judeo-Christian teachings.
They want to liberate us from these gender roles, liberate us from heterosexuality, monogamy, and that whole icky business of devoting your life to a nuclear family. They want us all to be self centered hedonists. They want to take the damage that was done during the sexual revolution of the 60′s/70′s and the selfishness of the “me generation” and make it even worse.
Sex and the City wasn’t good enough for them. A bunch of childless women sleeping around and enjoying their precious freedom from the traditions of the dreaded patriarchy wasn’t good enough. They want to see a Sex and the City with drag queens, transitional transexuals, weekend bi-sexuals, etc.
They want a Soviet jackboot stomping on a promo photo from the Ozzie and Harriet show, while shouting “the 50′s were the dark ages, we must never go back to the 50′s”.
ardenenoch on April 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM
<3
And that sentiment goes for the leftist gays calling everyone against SSM "homophobes" and acting like morons in a multitude of ways. There are extremists on both side.
JetBoy on April 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM
A few Democratic politicians from the more conservative may be squirming slightly now, but it’s the GOP politicians who will be squirming in 2014 and 2016 on this issue. Let’s hope none of them pull a Todd Akin.
thuja on April 8, 2013 at 7:54 PM
Understatement of the year.
Not to fear! Reince-and-Repeat Priebus and Karl-Kan’t-Win Rove will do their darnedest to make sure we never have a Todd Akin ever again!
/sarc
Myron Falwell on April 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM
In other news, not the gay legal agenda has legislators completely ignoring biology:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/08/CA-legislation-insurance-gay-infertility
In California, however, biology takes a back seat to political manipulation. AB 460 would retain its current standard for infertility: either a “demonstrated condition” causing infertility or a year of sex without conception, including non-heterosexual vaginal intercourse.</em>
melle1228 on April 8, 2013 at 8:45 PM
Guess the lib media is upset they couldn’t use a 21st century Patti Davis against her father.
b1jetmech on April 8, 2013 at 8:56 PM
The argument for legal rights has already been won in many states, and is heading that way in most of them; that’s why the Left has moved on to arguing about the word.
California same-sex couples already had all the legal remedies of marriage, but that did not require the government to shut down dissent or penalize opponents or criminalize religious convictions.
Wikipedia:
and here:
AesopFan on April 8, 2013 at 10:02 PM
Actually no, and this has nothing to do with Salmon’s views on SSM. He supports ending the estate tax for everyone, as his vote on the Estate Tax Elimination Act of 2000 demonstrates.
JohnAGJ on April 8, 2013 at 10:29 PM
People hold contradictions all the time and even use them as premises for other claims and conclusions. These same people can even appreciate the value of a civil union while believing it’s completely and fundamentally different than marriage. You know, like how the AP stops using the term illegal immigrant because they believe calling it something else somehow changes things.
beselfish on April 9, 2013 at 7:19 AM
Shorter version:
I don’t want to get married to this dude I’m dating.
weaselyone on April 9, 2013 at 9:26 AM