ACLU finds domestic drones the Worst. Thing. Evah.
posted at 11:31 am on March 16, 2013 by Jazz Shaw
One of the stable of writers at Huffpo is getting the Left all up in arms over the latest complaint from the ACLU. This week, the new topic of outrage is drones, but not the ones flying over Afghanistan. (At least not today.) They’re more concerned with the idea of domestic law enforcement using the new technology to fight crime. Because they’re way worse than helicopters or something.
As drone regulation legislation works its way through Congress and the 30 (so far) state legislatures where it has been introduced, one question that we hear a lot these days is, “we’ve had police helicopters for a long time, what’s so different about drones?”
For one thing, police helicopters do raise privacy issues. Because of the expense of using manned police aircraft, privacy invasions have not risen to the level that legislators have felt compelled to address them, but incidents do happen. In 2005, for example, a police helicopter supposedly monitoring a street protest in New York City instead trained its infrared camera for a prolonged period on a couple making love on a pitch-black rooftop patio. Any police helicopter that followed a citizen around town for no reason, or hovered over the backyard of innocent homeowners whose daughter was sunbathing with her friends, would probably draw complaints. With drones, scenarios like those are bound to happen much more frequently. And that’s because there are some critical distinctions between manned and unmanned aircraft.
Before we even get to the “differences” cited in the article, it should be pointed out that the above paragraph is total hogwash in terms of expressing concerns regarding government overreach via technology. The examples cited are not cases of the police using helicopters to further an investigation by short circuiting any citizen’s rights. They’re examples of rogue officers breaking the law themselves. It’s certainly bad, but this is not a matter of public policy. It’s a case of a few bad apple law enforcement officials going off the reservation. (Yes, I’m still using that phrase. No, it’s not racist. Deal with it.)
Now, as to the “reasons” why drones are worse than helicopters.
1. Drones erase “natural limits” on aerial surveillance
Manned helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft are expensive to acquire, staff, and maintain. A police helicopter costs from $500,000 to $3 million to acquire, and $200-$400 an hour to fly…
With drones, on the other hand, it’s easy to foresee a day when even a professional police drone could be acquired for less than a hundred dollars, including maintenance costs.
How is this even germane to a discussion of privacy rights and limits on law enforcement? Because helicopters cost too much? Technology tends to get smaller and cheaper over time. That’s just a given. Either the police have the right to view activities from the air or they don’t. And it’s been long established that your reasonable expectation of privacy is vastly diminished once you step outside your door and go out in public where you can be seen by anyone, including the cops.
2. Drones make new forms of privacy invasion possible
In addition, there are some kinds of privacy invasion that are only possible with drones. For example, micro-drones maneuvering into intrusive places; even the smallest manned helicopter can’t fly into a garage or hover unseen outside a third-story bedroom window. Or (as I’ve written about before), the fact that drones can be silent; the loud noise a helicopter makes serves as a crude kind of “notice” that one may be under surveillance from the air. Silent or high-flying drones that can’t be heard provide no such notice.
There are two parts to this one. Is it legal for the police to use a drone to hover outside your window and peer inside? We’ll need to ask some of the lawyers int he crowd about that one. Can they use high power telescopes to look in your windows from afar? Could they do it from a helicopter with binoculars? That seems less a question about technology than the limits of investigations absent a warrant. As to the noise factor, more hogwash. The noise of a chopper is not built-in as some sort of required warning that you’re being watched. It’s the byproduct of having a huge engine. If they could build a total silent Blackhawk, trust me… they would.
3. Drones’ capabilities are likely to expand even further in the future
The fact that drones are so inexpensive will have another consequence: because so many drones will be out there, and so many people innovating with them, it’s very likely that the technology will develop new capabilities that have never existed for police helicopters.
Bah. The same as with the first “argument” above, this is the growth of technology, not of the surveillance state. It’s bound to happen no matter who is using it.
Should we be banning police from using drones if they can afford them? Seems to me it might have been nice to have a fleet of them around when they were chasing Christopher Dorner a little while back. We might have had a few less people in body bags if we’d had them. In the end, the technology isn’t what should be your concern, it’s the laws behind them. Make sure that the government respects the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens and let them have the tools they need to catch the actual bad guys.
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VorDaj on May 13, 2013 at 5:33 PM
Surprise!
rob verdi on May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Sooooo…
… What does one do on such a slow news day?
Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Truth for power! Hillary 2016!
rob verdi on May 13, 2013 at 5:35 PM
All in the family…..
ted c on May 13, 2013 at 5:36 PM
I see. But it’s really a vast right-wing conspiracy?
John the Libertarian on May 13, 2013 at 5:36 PM
it’s all good
/
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 5:36 PM
the liberal democratico-entertainment-newsmedia complex is more concerning than Eisenhower’s military industrial complex.
ted c on May 13, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Hand in glove
The sun shines out of our behinds
No, it’s not like any other love
This one is different because it’s us
forest on May 13, 2013 at 5:38 PM
It’s no surprise NBC is just a cheap slut.
Marcus on May 13, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Kind of makes you wonder what is really going on behind the scenes…
… doesn’t it?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Obowma was getting fitted for his uniform…
Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2013 at 5:39 PM
Apparently the AP guys don’t have anyone working there too.
Bishop on May 13, 2013 at 5:40 PM
NBC’s White House correspondent is Ben Dover.
aunursa on May 13, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Maybe that’s where the AP screwed up. No White House hostage.
Cicero43 on May 13, 2013 at 5:41 PM
The GOP needs to eefectively shut down the government until the administration comes completely clean on the Benghazi, F&F, AP wire tap, and IRS issues.
NO legislation, NO judges, NO approvals of any sort until they have the answers they want on this WH’s activities. If he is going to act like a child, treat him as one.
Tater Salad on May 13, 2013 at 5:42 PM
Fox News red-headed step sister clearly.
hillsoftx on May 13, 2013 at 5:43 PM
I’m not so sure this level of incest is business as usual for the democrat party. I think the Obama administration purposely hired all these relatives of execs so they would have more influence over the networks. After all, you wouldn’t want to run with negative coverage on a story if it would get your son fired from his cushy government job.
Wigglesworth on May 13, 2013 at 5:44 PM
He already had that fitted some time ago. Just awaiting the most appropriate moment to present himself to the nation in its inaugural appearance.
hawkeye54 on May 13, 2013 at 5:45 PM
If you think it’s bad now, just wait until Obama’s third term.
John the Libertarian on May 13, 2013 at 5:46 PM
This could explain why the other AP got their phone records seized.
Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Unexpected!
PattyJ on May 13, 2013 at 5:49 PM
Since I can’t tell the difference between the two….
Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 5:49 PM
Nah, the WH probably already has their communications devices bugged. No one is immune. Least of all those already in Barry’s house. In the back of your mind you always have to keep a closer eye and ear on those closest to you.
hawkeye54 on May 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM
Movin’ on up….
Movin’ on up…..
To a deluxe White House…in the sky..high..
Electrongod on May 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM
This is what happens when 99% of journalists are liberal. You get what you sow…lies and more lies…
kirkill on May 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM
I finally figured it out…Hugo Chavez died of tyrant envy!
cajunpatriot on May 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM
How about this?
aquaviva on May 13, 2013 at 5:53 PM
i know THREE, personally, guys named ben rhodes.
t8stlikchkn on May 13, 2013 at 5:54 PM
FDRs 7th
carters 2rd
nixons 3rd
rolled into one
t8stlikchkn on May 13, 2013 at 5:55 PM
And here I thought the most inbreed tyrants were the Game of Thrones Lannister clan…
Bruno Strozek on May 13, 2013 at 5:56 PM
I moved to get away from Chicago and then the ignorant imbeciles elected bat face to the white house who subsequently turned the damn country into Chicago.
tom daschle concerned on May 13, 2013 at 5:57 PM
May the clusterfarks all beget travesties.
They are destroying the land.
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 5:59 PM
finally!!! completion of the white house and media circlejerk
burserker on May 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM
I think I remember this movie coming out in the eighties.
All I’m saying.
Axe on May 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Celebs like Timberlake and Biel make their livings playing make believe. I am sure going along with the fairy tale of Obama is easy for them to do.
Rockshine on May 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM
It’s the Prog big tent..!
Grennell has been all over this on Twitter…BTW, wasn’t he the guy that Romney let go..?
d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 6:01 PM
Nothing to see here! Move on . org…………..
GarandFan on May 13, 2013 at 6:03 PM
Incest, at the highest levels.
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:04 PM
Andrea Mitchell sleeps next to the money corps.
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM
There seems to be pressure building on the MSM to go after Obama. I would love to know where this flood of negative coverage is coming from. This is the kind of stuff that used to happen to Gingrich or Palin.
It’s almost unthinkable to see this happen to Obama.
Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Carney is a huge conflict of interest…well, tha’s the least about this Goebbels of the WH.
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Russia laughs her collective azz off, so does the world.
The US has zero moral authority and decency left. Obama killed them, on purpose.
Clowns inhabit the WH. The fools who brung them deserve them in full.
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:07 PM
The two top stories on HA, one next to the other, are prefect for the times.
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:08 PM
WORTH REPEATING:
There is NO socialist-bias in the MSM.
There is NO socialist-bias in the MSM.
There is NO socialist-bias in the MSM.
There is NO socialist-bias in the MSM.
There is NO socialist-bias in the MSM.
There is NO socialist-bias in the MSM.
There is NO socialist-bias in the MSM.
There is NO socialist-bias in the MSM.
There is NO socialist-bias in the MSM.
…yeah – in your dreams!
TeaPartyNation on May 13, 2013 at 6:08 PM
Someone lifted the covers and found…the media and the gov’t in bed.
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:09 PM
The Emperor’s News Clothes.
profitsbeard on May 13, 2013 at 6:11 PM
It gets better
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:13 PM
Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM
This seems pretty apropos to our media and most media consumers in the US: Priorities
AZfederalist on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM
The trolls are verklempt today.
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM
Which makes it every other day ending in “day”.
Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM
More inbred than a European royal family.
I expect in about 30 years, you’ll see a news anchor who’s four feet tall, with a three-inch underbite, bulging eyes, and an Adam’s apple that looks like he swallowed a doorknob.
CurtZHP on May 13, 2013 at 6:29 PM
Is there not a market out there for a network that would really present the “news” without spin? I divested my stock in GE years ago when they went lib and wrote a letter to I Melt. I would think shareholders would demand to make a little money on their investments. When 50% of the people don’t watch you no matter what, there is a problem.
hip shot on May 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM
You misspelled “she”.
Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 6:38 PM
“Nattering Nay-Ho’s of Negativity”. Against Conservatives anyway.
chickasaw42 on May 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM
What you don’t know is how they’re hiding the lizard skin.
lester on May 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM
Just give me a chance, I’ll put the Science in Poly Sci!
You see, science has the answer.
The Founders wanted no restriction on the press so the vermin knew exactly where they were going to move in.
Species can develop into vermin if introduced into regions where they find favourable living conditions, and if they face few or no natural enemies there. In such cases, humans often choose to fill the role of the predator to limit the danger to the environment. Examples of vermin include goats on the Galápagos Islands, Rabbits in Australia or cats on Prince Edward Islands. Rats, mice, and cockroaches are common urban and suburban vermin.
IlikedAUH2O on May 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM
Tommy Christopher says that people who think Benghazi is important don’t even know where it is. Did you know that geography was an intricate part of your ability to care that your president is a lying S.O.B.?
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 6:49 PM
Correction
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:54 PM
Are the relatives of top NBC execs being punished by the WH or something? Is that why NBC is trying to suck up to and cover for the WH even more than the others?
farsighted on May 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM
lester has nothing.
Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Why no mention that Ambassador Rice’s husband is producer of ABC News?
pat on May 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM
yeh lester does have nothing.
every time I think I have encountered the dimmest troll someone reminds me there is someone even dimmer.
CW on May 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM
I’m shocked shocked I tell you, NOT!
mmcnamer1 on May 13, 2013 at 7:55 PM
Yep I have a “I don’t believe the liberal media” bumper sticker on my car for a reason..but wow, I had no idea how far in bed they are with Obama..insanity
sadsushi on May 13, 2013 at 8:01 PM
According to Glenn Beck’s show today on The Blaze, NBC is also in the tank: Jay Carney is married to the senior national correspondent Clair Shipman.
FloatingRock on May 13, 2013 at 8:08 PM
We need this mapped out with that secret CIA software used to detect terrorist cells.
slickwillie2001 on May 13, 2013 at 8:17 PM
We already have Candy Crowley.
slickwillie2001 on May 13, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Gee…Il Duce and his cronies are having quite a week huh?
workingclass artist on May 13, 2013 at 11:18 PM
Why did it take so long for anyone to notice this???
albill on May 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM