Rick Perry at CPAC: How can the last two elections be a rejection of conservatism when we didn’t nominate conservatives?

posted at 8:48 pm on March 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Ace, skip to 17:00 for the money line. Judging from Drudge, against all odds on a day when both Rubio and Paul spoke, Perry seems to have walked away with the killer soundbite from CPAC. I don’t buy his argument, though. Obama won in 2008 because the public was exhausted with Bush and he represented something wholly fresh and new. He synthesized a particular political and cultural moment uniquely in my memory of presidential campaigns. (I don’t remember Reagan ’80.) A more conservative, or merely more capable, candidate than McCain might have won a few more electoral votes but there’s no reason realistically to think he would have been granted a four-year extension of Republican rule given Dubya’s rock-bottom approval ratings.

Romney is a tougher case because Obama no longer had the Hopenchange mojo working for him in 2012 and had 7.8 percent unemployment hanging over his head. Does anyone think, though, that Romney lost because of RomneyCare and because once upon a time he was pro-choice? He worked hard to position himself as a conservative, especially on immigration and on spending, which is why he put one of the most famous deficit hawks in Congress on the ticket. I think he lost not because he was obviously masquerading as a conservative (although he was) but because of poor retail skills, a poisonous image as an aloof aristocrat who couldn’t relate to the middle class, effective attacks from O (the “war on women” nonsense), an organization that was inferior to Obama’s in important ways, and, strange as it may seem, the fact that the economy was just good enough to make Obama the favorite. The better question here is why Republican primary voters keep nominating candidates like McCain and Romney who are so disdained by the base. Forget whether general election voters would vote for a conservative Republican over Obama if they had the chance. GOP primary voters do have a chance every four years to vote for a conservative. They haven’t done it for two election cycles now. Why not? I’m asking earnestly. I have no answer.

Keep watching after the soundbite for Perry’s impassioned pitch that the GOP can win Latinos over, with Texas as an example. He makes a compelling case, but do note: This is a guy who, despite his long history of electoral success, couldn’t crack 40 percent of the Latino vote in his home state in a year when he won reelection with 55 percent overall. If a candidate as conservative as Perry on electoral terrain as favorable as Texas can’t do better than that, what does a national candidate have to do to improve on it?


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This thread is for GopherGirl..

:)

Electrongod on March 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Oh…
And us too.

Electrongod on March 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I didn’t see a bottle of water..

‘Cause that would have dis-credited him.

Electrongod on March 14, 2013 at 8:51 PM

lol EG, I was just thinking same thing :)

CoffeeLover on March 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Electrongod on March 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM

And me too. The ‘Perry Girls’ were:me, GG, and Aslan’s Girl.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Rick Perry at CPAC: How can the last two elections be a rejection of conservatism when we didn’t nominate conservatives?

…they might…when conservatives can get the brain and mouth to work together at the same time!

KOOLAID2 on March 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

GOP primary voters do have a chance every four years to vote for a conservative. They haven’t done it for two election cycles now. Why not?
My take… a combination of media sabotage and too many conservatives splitting the vote, allowing moderates to win the delegates.

malclave on March 14, 2013 at 8:54 PM

While this was going on..
Chris Christie was watching re-runs of Bruce Springsteen on MTV..

Electrongod on March 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Does anyone think, though, that Romney lost because of RomneyCare and because once upon a time he was pro-choice?

Yup. Including me, who didn’t vote for him for those reasons, as well as others.

Stoic Patriot on March 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

KOOLAID2 on March 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

isn’t that the truth

CoffeeLover on March 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

OT:

I am woman, hear me roar.

(Reuters) – Egypt’s ruling Muslim Brotherhood warns that a U.N. declaration on women’s rights could destroy society by allowing a woman to travel, work and use contraception without her husband’s approval and letting her control family spending.

Waiting for Racharles Maddow to respond.

BobMbx on March 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

McCain would have lost even had the Bush years not been demagogued to death.

Romney was the nominee because he had been running for over five years.

Both had the perennial ‘it’s my turn’ vibe. We haven’t had a candidate worth a shite since Reagan.

Hell Bush barely beat Gore for goodness sakes.

catmman on March 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Because Newt was too full of himself,
Perry was a lousy debater,
Cain was hanky-panky Alred’d,
Palin never got in,
and Santorum was angry and petulant.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

This thread is for GopherGirl..

:)

Electrongod on March 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Ahh thanks. I’ve had the worst week ever. A Perry speech should cheer me up :)

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM

According to posters here. Perry is a democrat clone because of immigration.

Flapjackmaka on March 14, 2013 at 9:00 PM

GOP primary voters do have a chance every four years to vote for a conservative. They haven’t done it for two election cycles now. Why not? I’m asking earnestly. I have no answer.

In my opinion it’s two fold

1) Too many conservatives run and split the vote allowing the moderate to “win”

2) Open primaries

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Because Newt was too full of himself, (just like Obama)
Perry was a lousy debater, (just like Obama)
Cain was hanky-panky Alred’d, (just like Obama)
Palin never got in, (just like Obama)
and Santorum was angry and petulant. (just like Obama)

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Using the Process of Substitution..

Our guys didn’t have all the requirements to be President…
It appears.

Electrongod on March 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM

This is a guy who, despite his long history of electoral success, couldn’t crack 40 percent of the Latino vote in his home state in a year when he won reelection with 55 percent overall.

Worth noting that Romney won Texas by a larger margin than Perry did.

Jon0815 on March 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Good evening, GG.

If I might add… the primary was far too long, as well.

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM

According to posters here. Perry is a democrat clone because of immigration.

Flapjackmaka on March 14, 2013 at 9:00 PM

More of a nanny stater who enjoys forcing people to opt out of optional medical procedures.

astonerii on March 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

The better question here is why Republican primary voters keep nominating candidates like McCain and Romney who are so disdained by the base. Forget whether general election voters would vote for a conservative Republican over Obama if they had the chance. GOP primary voters do have a chance every four years to vote for a conservative. They haven’t done it for two election cycles now. Why not? I’m asking earnestly.

And the answer to that is due to the influence of the establishment. The establishment consists of those people already in Washington (who control endorsements), those people in New York and other urban areas (the big money donors), and those people who are the newspaper and TV pundits (who control information). Consider: Romney was at the center of the stage during every debate. He got the most time to speak of any candidate. Who got the least? The man who finished second: Rick Santorum — even less than Ron Paul through more than the first 10 debates, and who was constantly relegated to the sidelines.

Who supposedly won every debate? Romney. Who said he did? The establishment. The narrative almost never varied. And despite several built-in advantages, Romney struggled terribly because the base wanted someone else.

Stoic Patriot on March 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

GOP primary voters do have a chance every four years to vote for a conservative. They haven’t done it for two election cycles now. Why not?
My take… a combination of media sabotage and too many conservatives splitting the vote, allowing moderates to win the delegates.

malclave on March 14, 2013 at 8:54 PM

open primaries help too … lots of Dem cross overs …

conservative tarheel on March 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Good evening, GG.

If I might add… the primary was far too long, as well.

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM

That too. I think there should be three regional primaries – a debate before every one.

One in the East
One in the Central
One in the West

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Spot on. Neither one was a conservative.

Moderate/liberal Republican’s don’t win presidential elections. People who want a moderate/liberal vote for the Dem.

Bigbullets on March 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM

The better question here is why Republican primary voters keep nominating candidates like McCain and Romney who are so disdained by the base. Forget whether general election voters would vote for a conservative Republican over Obama if they had the chance. GOP primary voters do have a chance every four years to vote for a conservative. They haven’t done it for two election cycles now. Why not? I’m asking earnestly.

To continue, let’s also look at delegate apportionment. Very early into the process, people were quickly saying that Mitt couldn’t be caught once he won Florida. Why? Because Florida went with winner-take-all apportionment.

Examine the Republican primary map. You’ll notice that typically red states tend to split their votes proportionally, while blue states tend to be winner-take-all. The effect of this distribution is to dilute the power of any win from a red state, and concentrate the win from any blue state in the primaries.

Standardize the apportionment rule, whether it be winner-take-all or proportional, and you’ll address another major issue right there.

Stoic Patriot on March 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM

MY day-which wasn’t great to begin with-got worse when we were told how much we’ll be paying the feds in Taxes.*No state income tax in TX).

annoyinglittletwerp on March 14, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Judging from Drudge, against all odds on a day when both Rubio and Paul spoke, Perry seems to have walked away with the killer soundbite from CPAC. I 

that’s because they’re young whippersnappers. To your other point, the 4 to 6 million conservatives that stayed away from McVain and mittness would have turned out had a conservative ran. How many independents would have rejected the two RINOs in favor of Oboobi than pull for said conservative? Not as many, I’d wager. But plenty of RINOs would have gladly voted for Oboobi than vote conservative, so yeah, when it’s all said and done,the real problem with the GOP is that at least 25% are really just dem-mites. the sooner we cast these losers out, the sooner we can begin to work solidly from a stronger but smaller hand without getting bandaged vying the GOPe.

AH_C on March 14, 2013 at 9:07 PM

In 2007, Perry endorsed Rudy Guiliani, who was well to the left of Romney.

Jon0815 on March 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Ahh thanks. I’ve had the worst week ever. A Perry speech should cheer me up :)

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Hoping your week improves, darlin’

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM

A more conservative, or merely more capable, candidate than McCain might have won a few more electoral votes but there’s no reason realistically to think he would have been granted a four-year extension of Republican rule given Dubya’s rock-bottom approval ratings.

If McCain hadn’t suspended his campaign and had come out against TARP and the bailouts, I think he could’ve beaten Obama. But then McCain wouldn’t have been McCain. This stuff that Obama has at any time been unbeatable is a myth.

Does anyone think, though, that Romney lost because of RomneyCare and because once upon a time he was pro-choice?

Yes, partly. But you’re missing the forest for the trees. Romney lost and was always going to lose because there was just no grassroots passion for the guy. You do not win just by badgering people into voting AGAINST someone else. It wouldn’t have worked for the GOP in 1980, it didn’t work for the Dems in 2004, and it didn’t work for the GOP in 1996 or 2012.

Perry made an excellent point.

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Stoic Patriot on March 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

yup …
I want to know alot more about Paul
and how far he feel from the tree …

Ryan is vetted and will probably run …

Allen West …
and Sarah Palin …
and not sure if either of those two will run …

conservative tarheel on March 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

open primaries help too … lots of Dem cross overs …

conservative tarheel on March 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

The Dem crossovers were voting for Santorum.

Jon0815 on March 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Neither McCain nor Romney were, are, or can be conservatives. Perry is right about that much.

Pecos on March 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Hoping your week improves, darlin’

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Hey my friend – how the heck are ya?

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

And me too. The ‘Perry Girls’ were:me, GG, and Aslan’s Girl.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Hey! Don’t leave ME out!

cozmo on March 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Obama won in 2008 because the public was exhausted with Bush

Bullsh!t. The media did their best to exhaust the public, which ain’t all that bright these days to begin with.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Cutting back on the length of time AND the number of debates in the primaries would have been a great idea. The GOP candidates virtually savaged one another during the debates, effectively doing a lot of the Democrats work for them.

Another issue was who was chosen to moderate the presidential debates, and the venues chosen for those debates.

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I agree across the board.
McCain should have came out against the TARP and Bailouts and Romney was NEVER going to win being Romney.

astonerii on March 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Hey! Don’t leave ME out!

cozmo on March 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Sorry. So-when did you complete your final operation?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

1) Too many conservatives run and split the vote allowing the moderate to “win”

2) Open primaries

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:00 PM

You forgot #3?

cozmo on March 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

LANCEMAN!

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Romney outperformed most Republican candidates for Senate. Cruz and Fischer are considered the Tea Party’s biggest victories of 2012, and Romney did slightly better than the two in Texas, and in Nebraska.

He won in five states in which Republican candidates for Senate lost (Indiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Montana and West Virginia.) In contrast, only one Republican Senator won election in a state Romney lost (Dean Heller of Nevada.)

Among the two candidates for Senate who outperformed Romney in their home states were Linda Lingle of Hawaii and Scott Brown of Massachusetts, both Pro-Choice Moderates.

Mister Mets on March 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Another issue was who was chosen to moderate the presidential debates, and the venues chosen for those debates.

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I think they should let voters moderate debates.

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I like Perry … but not sure after his debate performance if he can
re invent himself …

conservative tarheel on March 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Rick Perry at CPAC: How can the last two elections be a rejection of conservatism when we didn’t nominate conservatives?

Boy, that’s rich!

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Ah, this time you made it to three.

cozmo on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Bullsh!t. The media did their best to exhaust the public, which ain’t all that bright these days to begin with.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I do not watch the media, I was sick and tired of Bush. It pretty much started around 2005 and became terminal with the amnesty push. With the housing bubble, bursting bubble and TARP, supported by McCain, I stayed home after donating my money.

astonerii on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM

So sorry to hear this. We have all had those weeks. Take care.

esr1951 on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Hey my friend – how the heck are ya?

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I’m good. Took another break from politics, I was cultivating hatred again…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

JACKSON!!! :D

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Mister Mets on March 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

ROMNEY LOST EVERY SWING STATE, HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Flapjackmaka on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I’m good. Took another break from politics, I was cultivating hatred again…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Very wise.

tom daschle concerned on March 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Good to see you back, Lanceman! :)

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Romney outperformed most Republican candidates for Senate. Cruz and Fischer are considered the Tea Party’s biggest victories of 2012, and Romney did slightly better than the two in Texas, and in Nebraska.

He won in five states in which Republican candidates for Senate lost (Indiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Montana and West Virginia.) In contrast, only one Republican Senator won election in a state Romney lost (Dean Heller of Nevada.)

Mister Mets on March 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Romney did better than Mike Pence in Indiana too.

Jon0815 on March 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I’m good. Took another break from politics, I was cultivating hatred again…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I totally understand believe me.

I am hoping to take a break from all aspects of life here soon. Vacation baby!

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Romney outperformed most Republican candidates for Senate.

Mister Mets on March 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Absolutely meaningless. Not all those Republican candidates had had three years worth of positive polling data constantly drilled into people’s heads, they didn’t have in most cases a six-year old organization that we were assured would be top-notch, and they weren’t running against the worst president ever.

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Sorry. So-when did you complete your final operation?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

What operation?

cozmo on March 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Romney did better than Mike Pence in Indiana too.

Jon0815 on March 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

So what? Pence won. Romney lost.

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I do not watch the media, I was sick and tired of Bush. It pretty much started around 2005 and became terminal with the amnesty push. With the housing bubble, bursting bubble and TARP, supported by McCain, I stayed home after donating my money.

astonerii on March 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

No, you prolly were at best lukewarm on W. at any given time. Judging from your past history.

I, however, regard W. as my all-time favorite President. Even over Reagan. And I say that with the intellectual honesty that he was no Reagan. But still better than any President save Reagan going back to Eisenhower.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Vacation baby!

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Nice! Where?

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

It was a rejection of Romney. Fact is Romney’s mushy issue-skirting character was obvious to all, and despised. His country club mein didn’t help. On the issues, he passed as a fiscal conservative, but he wasn’t very up front on that. He blew it BIG GTIME on gay marriage … and immigration. He should have been vocal on those issues, because they we’re our issues that benefited us.
On abortion, his wishy-washiness did not help. Yet, abortion is the one issue which hurts us. The Akin / Murdoch affairs really seriously exacerbated our problems there. Don’t think nominating a conservative Akin is going to win the day for us. We would in fact then lose in a landslide. Get the right type of conservative, not an unhinged one, and distance ourselves from abortion.

anotherJoe on March 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

tom daschle concerned on March 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Yeah, it is so not healthy for me to eagerly hate the libs…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Nice! Where?

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

My “happiest place on Earth” – Vegas :)

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Good to see you back, Lanceman! :)

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

;)

I’m in and out these days.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:18 PM

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Lolz, I just hate Vegas but hope you have a lot of fun. When I lived in San Diego, my gang and I drove up there all the time. I only went to hang out with them…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Ok the gilled one will show up shortly singing the praises of Mittens …
and tell us we don’t deserve mittens “greatness”

conservative tarheel on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

No, you prolly were at best lukewarm on W. at any given time. Judging from your past history.

I, however, regard W. as my all-time favorite President. Even over Reagan. And I say that with the intellectual honesty that he was no Reagan. But still better than any President save Reagan going back to Eisenhower.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I was lukewarm on W. Good job defending the country; bad job expanding the state. Reagan made his share of mistakes as well, but he never had a Congress completely controlled by his party as Bush did for 6 years. And the only conservative result was the tax cuts.

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Me, too. Must be catching. :)

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

cozmo on March 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

The one that made you female-since it was the Perry GIRLS!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:18 PM

I’ve been mostly out my friend…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I just love him. Great speech.

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I still don’t understand the claim that voters will vote for a liberal because the Republican isn’t conservative enough. It makes absolutely know sense.

Mark1971 on March 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Give me a break.

WisCon on March 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

On abortion, his wishy-washiness did not help. Yet, abortion is the one issue which hurts us.

anotherJoe on March 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Well, you see, it was anger against O-care that in large part fueled the GOP takeover of the House in 2010. And to follow up, the GOP nominates the guy who signed into law the blueprint for O-care. It was sheer stupidity. And I can’t think of a pro-life GOP prez nominee who’s ever lost because he was pro-life.

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

It’s good to see you back, too. :) How are the cats?

Just so you know, I don’t like Vegas, either.

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

I still don’t understand the claim that voters will vote for a liberal because the Republican isn’t conservative enough. It makes absolutely know sense.

Mark1971 on March 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM

I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s people will stay home and not vote because the candidate isn’t conservative. enough.

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Conservatism fails as long as there isn’t a conservative in the White House.

Rusty Allen on March 14, 2013 at 9:24 PM

And the only conservative result was the tax cuts.

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Wrong. The the end of that phony ‘assault’ weapons bill and I’ll bet a ton of others that just don’t come to mind. In fairness, the government has expanded under every President since Eisenhower. Even Reagan.

I’ve been mostly out my friend…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Heh. Me too. obama/’rat fatigue.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Lolz, I just hate Vegas but hope you have a lot of fun. When I lived in San Diego, my gang and I drove up there all the time. I only went to hang out with them…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM

It’s definitely not for everybody. For me, however, it’s the perfect place for vacation.

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:24 PM

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

My favorite cat died overnight on Jan 28. She was only 5 yrs old. No idea why. The other two annoy me, they don’t even try to hunt the mice…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

My “happiest place on Earth” – Vegas :)

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Smart Girl!

VegasRick on March 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I still don’t understand the claim that voters will vote for a liberal because the Republican isn’t conservative enough. It makes absolutely know sense.

Mark1971 on March 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM

It isn’t necessarily that. It’s that people who might be nudged into voting for something different will sit home if the choices presented are just Dem and Dem Lite.

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

No, you prolly were at best lukewarm on W. at any given time. Judging from your past history.

I, however, regard W. as my all-time favorite President. Even over Reagan. And I say that with the intellectual honesty that he was no Reagan. But still better than any President save Reagan going back to Eisenhower.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I know, because the best presidents are the ones that pass progressive wet cream legislation like medicare part D and no child left behind while ignoring a known problem in the housing market in order to push race based housing numbers higher, damn the consequences, turning against his base in order to press for illegal aliens to become citizens and dilute the vote of the virtuous citizens and make it impossible to turn back the advances of regressive government and end his term by bailing out wall street and turning over hundreds of billions of dollars of slush fund money to the least American president in the entire history of the nation.

I liked Bush quite a bit, voted for him twice. Then again, I was kind of happy to see him defend the nation after Clinton failed to. I think I gave him far more credit for that than he deserves. Considering the fact that his internal warfare fighting is aimed at citizens and not the enemy, the fact he refused to name our enemies, the fact he refused to send in the proper resources to secure the nations he invaded and in the end wasted far more American blood and treasure than an all out war of total subjugation would have.

Good to see you loved the man.

astonerii on March 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s people will stay home and not vote because the candidate isn’t conservative. enough.

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Well yes, I can see that.

Mark1971 on March 14, 2013 at 9:26 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

And just how do you know I haven’t always been?

cozmo on March 14, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Give me a break.

WisCon on March 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Got your seat belt on?

:)

Electrongod on March 14, 2013 at 9:27 PM

gophergirl on March 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

But where was the conservative candidate? Did conservatives stay home in the primary? Rick Perry was a joke. We tried a bunch of other people and ended up with Romney. If we would have been presented a conservative who could talk, we would have nominated them.

Even then, they would have lost. Because Obama is Santa and at least 47% of the country depends on handouts.

Rusty Allen on March 14, 2013 at 9:27 PM

And the only conservative result was the tax cuts.

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

The temporary nature of them made them far less conservative than they otherwise would have been.

6 years of total Republican control and we got nothing but insulted.

astonerii on March 14, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Wrong. The the end of that phony ‘assault’ weapons bill and I’ll bet a ton of others that just don’t come to mind. In fairness, the government has expanded under every President since Eisenhower. Even Reagan.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Well, a law was allowed to lapse. And yeah, government expanded under all those. Thus, lukewarm. At least Reagan changed the conversation momentarily such that even CLinton had to try to sell HillaryCa

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I’m so sorry to hear about your favorite cat. I know how it is to lose a pet.

As to the other two, some cats are mousers and some are just good company. :)

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Wrong. The the end of that phony ‘assault’ weapons bill and I’ll bet a ton of others that just don’t come to mind. In fairness, the government has expanded under every President since Eisenhower. Even Reagan.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Well, a law was allowed to lapse. And yeah, government expanded under all those. Thus, lukewarm. At least Reagan changed the conversation, even momentarily, to the extent that even Clinton had to try to sell HillaryCare as a budget-cutting measure and announce that the era of Big Government is over. Politically Bush did little more than make the GOP toxic.

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:29 PM

AND one must discount W’s last two years. Nan Piglosi holding war funding hostage drove up the deficit/debt.

Never doubt that San Fran Nan and the rest of the filthy, scumball ‘rats have the same objective as obama. Numerous examples of slips of the tongue. From John Dingell to Fortney ‘Pete’ Stark to Jan ‘Shaggy’ Schagowski.

Two or three Rethuglicans as well.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:29 PM

If a candidate as conservative as Perry on electoral terrain as favorable as Texas can’t do better than that, what does a national candidate have to do to improve on it?

Put on a red suit and fake beard and hand out a bunch of free stuff.

tommylotto on March 14, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

You have to understand that rejecting Bush (by most moderate/phony conservatives), was the popular thing to do at the time. Hopefully, history will record a better picture than when bashing Bush made political pundits look important/relevant.

Rovin on March 14, 2013 at 9:30 PM

AND one must discount W’s last two years. Nan Piglosi holding war funding hostage drove up the deficit/debt.

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Oh, b.s. Why do you think the Dems took over Congress in 2006?

ddrintn on March 14, 2013 at 9:30 PM

A more conservative, or merely more capable, candidate than McCain might have won a few more electoral votes but there’s no reason realistically to think he would have been granted a four-year extension of Republican rule given Dubya’s rock-bottom approval ratings.

And his approval ratings were so bad because he wasn’t a conservative.

rdbrewer on March 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:29 PM

The progressive nature of Bush’s government turned conservative voters off. So of course we got Democrat rule. that is what happens when you do not govern for the people that put you into power, they see no point in reappointing you.

astonerii on March 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

thatsafactjack on March 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM

What the hell good is it having two cats if I have to hunt the mice and kill them and they don’t even want my company? Wokkie was great company and an awesome mouser…

OmahaConservative on March 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Open primaries and incompetent conservatives (I’m looking at you, Perry).

If Perry hadn’t fallen directly on his ass, he had that nomination in the bag.

To some extent, same with Thompson, if Fred had been remotely prepared I think he had a good chance.

John_Locke on March 14, 2013 at 9:32 PM

astonerii on March 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

And if you recalled anything that I’ve ever criticized W. on it was definitely MedD, NCLB AND Homeland Security. Numerous times. Whats-his-name can pull up the archival statements of mine.

But you think that fatass Owlgore or the horseface Kerry wouldn’t have done that crap on steroids?

Lanceman on March 14, 2013 at 9:33 PM

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