Why would a gun-control advocate want to buy an AR-15?

posted at 5:21 pm on March 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

We haven’t blogged this yet but many of you know about it, I assume, from reading Breitbart.com, which has been all over it. In a nutshell: Mark Kelly walked into a gun store a few weeks ago and bought two weapons, one a Sig Sauer 45 pistol and the other a, er, Sig Sauer assault rifle, news of which was subsequently leaked to Breitbart. CNN invited him on to ask him about it and Kelly accepted. Why’s he buying guns that he thinks should be banned? Simple, said Kelly to Wolf Blitzer. As a prominent spokesman for gun control, he needs to know firsthand just how easy it is for someone to walk in off the street and purchase an incredibly dangerous weapon. Why he needs this firsthand knowledge, I have no idea. No one on either side is disputing that it’s easy to buy an AR-15 if you have no criminal record; there’s a new story on the wires every day about how they’re selling like hot cakes coast to coast. The whole point of the gun debate is that gun-rights advocates think it should be easy to get one. (Also, if he thinks there’s been a significant gap in his gun knowledge until now due to his lack of personal experience, why has he been out there trying to set national policy?) But okay — let’s give him the benefit of the doubt by assuming that he was just curious to see how simple it was.

In that case, why’d he buy a second-hand rifle, which made the process harder? A.W.R. Hawkins wonders:

The “local ordinances” that apply to the Sig Sauer M400 5.56mm AR-style rifle required that the AR-15 be placed on hold for 20 days because it was second-hand. If Kelly’s goal was to show how easy the background check system really is, why didn’t he buy a new “assault rifle” so he could take possession of it immediately, thereby allowing him to finish the background check on day he originally walked into the store–March 5?

When CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked Kelly on Monday what it was like going into a gun store and “buying an AR-15.” Kelly said that for such a “deadly” weapon, “especially with the high capacity magazines, it’s a pretty easy thing to do, even with the background check.”…

Kelly has openly stated that his plan from the beginning was to buy such a firearm and hand it over to the police (even though, as Breitbart News reported, under pending legislation the police would likely have to sell the AR-15 rather than destroying it, returning it to the streets).

In that case, wouldn’t any AR-style rifle do?

Right. If you want to prove that a nut whose record is clean can get a dangerous weapon quickly, just walk in and ask the seller what he can give you from Dianne Feinstein’s list that’ll put an assault rifle in your hands ASAP. Subjecting himself to a 20-day waiting period ends up proving the opposite, that the dealer in this case is scrupulous about observing local gun laws and that it’s difficult to grab an AR-15 as an impulse buy if you’re purchasing it second-hand. It’s more plausible that he sincerely wanted the gun and was hoping to get a price break on it by buying it used than that he was trying to “prove” something.

But then, you don’t need to reach the circumstances of the AR-15 purchase to find the “lesson” here odd. Watch the clip below and you’ll see Kelly say that he plans to keep the Sig Sauer pistol he bought. If he’s serious about reducing gun violence, though, why give semiautomatic pistols a pass? The lunatic who shot his wife didn’t use an assault rifle, he used a Glock 9 mm with a high-capacity magazine. And if he hadn’t accidentally dropped a second magazine while he was trying to reload, he would have been able to keep firing despite there being a crowd of people around him. Needless to say, Kelly has every right to protect himself and his wife, especially after what happened, but the logic by which a rapid-fire, potentially high-capacity weapon becomes more acceptable if it’s smaller, easier to carry, and more readily concealable escapes me. It’s like supporting vegetarianism by declaring buffalo and shark strictly off-limits but making an exception for chicken and beef. If you want to make a point about gun control, why not reject all semiautomatics and stick to revolvers?

Update: Via Ace: “He thinks they trust him with Space Shuttle but that it’s a scandal that he could pass a quick background check to buy a rifle?”


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If you lived here, you’d be buying guns too.

AZCoyote on March 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

So why is he actively trying to make it ILLEGAL for everyone else to buy one?

dentarthurdent on March 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

There are no dangerous weapons only dangerous men…Kelly is just proving that he is a danger to the rights of others

halfbaked on March 13, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Have to disagree with you here. The Japanese Nambu type 94 pistol was a dangerous weapon. Especially to the guy carrying it.

Oldnuke on March 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Big whoop. John Freaking Kerry was a LTJG in the USN and he’s a class A scumbag as well.

Wendya on March 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Actually, if he wants to hand the AR-15 over, I’ll cheerfully give it a good home.

I R A Darth Aggie on March 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I used to fly with Mark Kelly in the Navy. Whenever he speaks on gun control, he carries with him the unofficial stamp of credibility of his former role as astronaut, Naval Aviator and Naval Officer.

Mark, please be aware that the gun grabbers are using you. You don’t speak for this Naval Aviator. We took an oath to protect and defend the constitution, not undermine it. What happened to your wife is a terrible tragedy, but it can’t be used to tear down the thing we pledged our lives to protect. If something as simple as “shall not be infringed” can be undercut, the whole thing is in jeopardy.

You may think an AR is a dangerous weapon now, but I don’t recall you protesting when you were loaded up with 500lb bombs and 20mm rounds for strafing. That was heavy armament! We trusted you then to use it responsibly. Now trust your fellow law-abiding citizens the same way and focus your energies on the lunatic who brought this tragedy upon you.

VA_gent on March 13, 2013 at 6:28 PM

He and Gabby were both pro-gun before the shooting; and only formed their *tax-free* anti-gun group afterward – when they found that there was a load of grant money available for a group like that.
They’re both hypocrites.

Solaratov on March 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Yes, I remember one of Gabby’s campaign commercials (from the 2008 campaign, IIRC) in which she’s walking through the desert, wearing jeans and cowboy boots, carrying a rifle, and talking about the importance of gun rights.

But I don’t blame her for what her husband is doing now. She is significantly brain damaged, and just trying to please the people she loves and depends on (the husband and her father — both of whom blamed the Tucson Tea Party for her shooting before they even knew what had happened).

AZCoyote on March 13, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Hard to make the case you’re a legitimate gun control advocate when you go and do something like that, no matter what the reason. He’s lost his credibility, looks like a hypocrite, or worse, like he’s exploiting what happened to his wife, although I don’t know how he’d benefit from that. He just looks like another opportunist to me.

scalleywag on March 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

He already has his “non-profit” up and running (with the wife as mascot), Americans For Responsible Solutions.

“ARSE”?

novaculus on March 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Kelly; Bought and paid for by the brainless lobby.
OFA should have come up with a better cover story for a guy like Kelly who just wanted to own some nifty guns for self protection.
I wonder what he’s going to do with the handgun.
III

dirtengineer on March 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Why does he need a Sig Sauer .45 pistol?
Seriously, Mark? really? a .45?

That’s the danger of letting Other People determine what you need. You don’t need that big ol’ house. You don’t need that big ol’ SUV. You don’t need that big ol’ job paying that big ol’ salary.

I R A Darth Aggie on March 13, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Interesting to me that he wants a handgun for himself, and wants to make AR-15s illegal for everyone else – when his wife was shot with a 9 mm handgun.

dentarthurdent on March 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Big whoop. John Freaking Kerry was a LTJG in the USN and he’s a class A scumbag as well.

Wendya on March 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Indeed. Anyone remember this chick?

BigWyo on March 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

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Sorry. No way you can overlook the fact that this guy is making a spectacle of his crippled wife for his own profit and lust for power. If he was genuinely concerned about gun control, he wouldn’t have been buying these guns. He deserves every bit of scorn we can heap upon him.

Haiku Guy on March 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

As a prominent spokesman for gun control, he needs to know firsthand just how easy it is for someone to walk in off the street and purchase an incredibly dangerous weapon.

Cars are far more dangerous (hurling over a ton of metal at speeds in excess of 40 mph – even over 100mph for those who don’t care about traffic laws – with defenseless civilians only feet away waiting to be mowed down) and it’s far, far easier to buy a truck than an AR-15. And there’s not even any Constitutional right to own a car …

Mark Kelly is a miserable POS. He should move to Mexico where they have very strict gun control laws. He’d feel right at home, the pr!ck.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM

So why is he actively trying to make it ILLEGAL for everyone else to buy one?

dentarthurdent on March 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

I suspect because it’s the lefty cause du jour, and he is rumored to have political aspirations of his own and may want to ingratiate himself with the lefty power brokers.

AZCoyote on March 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM

VA_gent on March 13, 2013 at 6:28 PM

BZ VA_gent, BZ.

Oldnuke on March 13, 2013 at 6:33 PM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Benedict Arnold was a general who served the Revolution more honorably … before he became a traitor and his name became synonymous with lowlife, backstabbing, treasonous pieces of filth.

Mark Kelly can blow me. His military service doesn’t entitle him to trample my rights at home.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 13, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Hey, give the dude a break. He and his wife recently moved into her Tucson house, and he is understandably nervous about living so near the violent southern border without any means of protecting himself and his family. The local sheriff is an idiot, the vicious Mexican drug gangs know they can do whatever they want, the Obama administration has eliminated even the pretense that they are guarding the border, and illegal crossings are up as the next wave of criminals tries to get across in time for the next amnesty.

If you lived here, you’d be buying guns too.

AZCoyote on March 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Fair enough but have to laugh long time GI. They are Obama gophers so sleep with the fleas.

arnold ziffel on March 13, 2013 at 6:34 PM

I suspect because it’s the lefty cause du jour, and he is rumored to have political aspirations of his own and may want to ingratiate himself with the lefty power brokers.

AZCoyote on March 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Ergo – world class hypocrit.

dentarthurdent on March 13, 2013 at 6:35 PM

A Sig 45? If it’s a 1911 that’s a $1,000+ firearm. Must be nice to be able to afford the nicer things in life.
Hey, aren’t more people murdered with handguns than all other types of firearms combined?
InterestedObserver on March 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM

An over priced 1911. Sig’s 1911′s are meh. If one is going to spend a grand on a 1911 shoot for a Smith and Wesson. Or better yet, go all in and save up for a Wilson Combat. :)

jawkneemusic on March 13, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Indeed. Anyone remember this chick?

BigWyo on March 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

That one always cracks me up. Good thing the victim was not hurt. No matter how smart you are or how high you go, drinkin, money or “love” can often make one go sideways.

arnold ziffel on March 13, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Ergo – world class hypocrit.

dentarthurdent on March 13, 2013 at 6:35 PM

No argument here. I’m just glad he was caught at it.

AZCoyote on March 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM

All I can say is the following:

1. Kelly is lying about planning to sell it. Remember, he is a Democrat, and the media knows that such folks constantly lie, and the media approve of such.

2. There are darn good reason to choose a 2nd-hand Sig Sauer “AR-style” rifle rather than a run-of-the-mill AR.

BTW, AP, what he purchased was not an assault rifle. It was a simple semi-automatic AR-type rifle, which is the most common rifle purchased in the U.S.

Henry Bowman on March 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

I can’t believe it either. Don’t they do psychological testing anymore? Seems like it would have turned up this clown’s dishonesty and narcissism.

Rational Thought on March 13, 2013 at 5:44 PM

The same NASA who had that married female Navy captain astronaut who wore diapers so she could drive half way across the country and try and beat up the woman she accused of having an affair with the married astronaut she was having an affair with.

So much for the “Right Stuff”.

jnelchef on March 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I liked Mark Kelley… until this: Gun protection for me but not for thee.

petefrt on March 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM

One giant leap for hypocracy.Since he knew what he wanted to buy did he prebuy ammo before the shortage hit?Curious minds want to know.

docflash on March 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

BTW, AP, what he purchased was not an assault rifle. It was a simple semi-automatic AR-type rifle, which is the most common rifle purchased in the U.S.

Henry Bowman on March 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Correct, and the point has been made here repeatedly.

Why continue to misuse the term?

novaculus on March 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Mark my words, in a few years’ time, he’s going to shoot Gabby with that Sig. He DESPISES being a nursemaid, and is feeling especially put-upon, given that he used to be All That.

All his histrionics are just to remind people what he has to put up with on a daily basis, so he can get some sympathy.

Maddie on March 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

What Mr. Kelly has done is not only dishonorable, but ill-founded and baseless.

By his own admission, Mr. Kelly has become. in his own words, an advocate for “gun control”. Whatever that means seems as though it’s being defined by the day- and speech.

He has used his military background to garner “credibility” and ultimately bring notice to his new cause- irrespective of wisdom or facts. That not only dishonest, but hypocritical, a quality which seems to be quickly becoming his sine qua non.

Mr. Kelly is not a military firearms expert nor obviously an expert on related law. He has never served in a combat MOS which required use of a weapon. He has barely qualified for firearms training in the military. Ergo, he has no credentials to speak from any of those perspectives. Furthermore, it would be incredulous to attempt to use his accomplishments as a means of gaining an audience under the guise of providing a relative perspective.

Mr. Kelly is the husband of a crime victim. Period. A victim, by the way, who was shot by a mental defective and deserves the harshest punishment justice will dispense.

Summarily, that does not mean Mr. Kelly has the right or even the knowledge to discuss this issue as a so-called “expert”. Yet he has advocated to have people dispossessed of their legal firearms and traipsed on the Second Amendment with his loose and hideously contra-factual statements.

Mr. Kelly’s become the proverbial man shouting “fire” in a crowded theater to play on people’s irrational emotions and fears.In this regard, he does not only command disrespect, but utter and complete contempt.

Marcus Traianus on March 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM

I can’t believe it either. Don’t they do psychological testing anymore? Seems like it would have turned up this clown’s dishonesty and narcissism.

Rational Thought on March 13, 2013 at 5:44 PM

The same NASA who had that married female Navy captain astronaut who wore diapers so she could drive half way across the country and try and beat up the woman she accused of having an affair with the married astronaut she was having an affair with.

So much for the “Right Stuff”.

jnelchef on March 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM

And folks wonder why we never went back to the moon or beyond.

SWalker on March 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM

He did NOT buy an Assault Rifle, he bought an “Assault Weapon”.
There is a difference.

Another Drew on March 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM

What exactly about being an astronaut, jet pilot or anything else imbues him with special authority or wisdom to pass judgement on our constitutional rights?

bluesdoc70 on March 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM

You’ll shoot your eye out, kid!

This way the guy gets to be on TV and begin his new career as an advocate.

Crime appears to pay.

Sherman1864 on March 13, 2013 at 7:02 PM

If I could get a deal on a second hand M400, I’d jump on it. They’re selling for $1249 new here, just a stone’s throw away from where they;re made in Exeter, New Hampshire.

Though, as of today, Shooter’s Outpost in Hooksett was sold out.

Bruce MacMahon on March 13, 2013 at 7:03 PM

ATF Form 4473 — Question 11:

Answer questions 11 a. (see exceptions) through 11.I and 12 (if applicable) by checking or marking “yes” or “no” in the boxes to the right of the questions.

a. Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are aquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you. (See Instructions for Question 11.a) Exception: If you are picking up a repaired firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer 11.a, and may proceed to question 11.b.

ATF Form 4473 — Declaration:

“I certify that my answers to Section A are true, correct, and complete. I have read and understand the Notices, Instructions, and Definitions on ATF Form 4473. I understand that answering “yes” to question 11.a if I am not the actual buyer is a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law, and may also violate State and/or local law. I understand that a person who answers “yes” to any of the questions 11.b through 11.k is prohibited from purchasing or receiving a firearm. I understand that a person who answers “yes” to question 11.I is prohibited from purchasing or receiving a firearm, unless the person also answers “Yes” to question 12. I also understand that making any false oral or written statement, or exhibiting any false or misrepresented identification with respect to this transaction, is a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law, and may also violated State and/or local law. I further understand that the repetitive purchase of firearms for the purpose of resale for livelihood and profit without a Federal license is a violation of law (See Instructions for Question 16).”

Granted, Kelly was the purchaser and had not agreed to buy the gun for another person or an organisation beforehand.

BUT, if Kelly was purchasing the gun with the intent to donate it, could it not be said that he bought it on behalf of another? He was certainly not buying it for himself…if he intended, as he claims, to donate it.

If he told the gun dealer that the gun was for himself rather than intended for the police or a charity organisation, wouldn’t this be a false statement or, in the very least, an incomplete statement?

If you purchase a firearm as a gift, you must disclose this fact and the name of the intended recipient.

Resist We Much on March 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM

He and Gabby should thank their lucky stars that Loughner was smitten with the glamour and romance of the Glock 9mm.
If he had been using either of the weapons that Mark just bought, Gabby would be dead.

Another Drew on March 13, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Indeed. Anyone remember this chick?

BigWyo on March 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

BigWyo:Yup,a Woman Scorned H*ll in a Fury/Hurry Depends,
going to get even,cross country-road-trip!!:)

canopfor on March 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

He did NOT buy an Assault Rifle, he bought an “Assault Weapon”.
There is a difference.

Another Drew on March 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM

There’s no such thing as an “assault weapon”, he bought a rifle.

There is a difference.

Bruce MacMahon on March 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

As a Blackhawk CE, I have known many officers who have served our country honorably in combat. I was seated right behind them on the gun as they did it. Regardless of what their various opinions on respect shown to veterans or on gun control may be, I don’t think any of them would advocate pulling punches in a fight.

Neither Kelly’s veteran status or his marriage to a grievously injured woman -who was ultimately responsible for the security provided on the day she was wounded- should prevent anyone from vociferously asserting their rights.

M240H on March 13, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Bruce MacMahon on March 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

You, and I, may not think that there is anything called an “Assault Weapon”, but there are pages of laws that define what is and is not an AW (as a CA FFL, I know that only too well).
So, get used to it.
What there is not, is a readily available Assault Rifle for civilian purchase, ownership, and use.
That requires compliance with the provisions of NFA-34, which is not available to the residents of many of the Several States (such as CA).

Another Drew on March 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM

And why is he so uptight about AR-15s?
His wife was shot with a Glock 9mm handgun.

dentarthurdent on March 13, 2013 at 5:56 PM

His wife owned a Glock herself at the time of the shooting. As far as I know she still does. That would make the AR15 a target of convenience.

slickwillie2001 on March 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM

One giant leap for hypocrisy.

docflash on March 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Yup. One small step for a man. One giant leap for hypocrisy.

petefrt on March 13, 2013 at 7:21 PM

He already has his “non-profit” up and running (with the wife as mascot), Americans For Responsible Solutions.

“ARSE”?

novaculus on March 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

A.F.R.S kind of sounds like “effers” if you say it fast

Daemonocracy on March 13, 2013 at 7:29 PM

He doesn’t know anything about who Breitbart is? That’s either a lie or he’s even dumber than he appears.

Anyway, what’s next for this idiot based on this logic? Going on a killing spree so that he can “know first hand” how easy it is to do with a legally purchased firearm?

Someone needs to throw a net over this lunatic.

WhatSlushfund on March 13, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Too many cosmic rays?

slickwillie2001 on March 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

His wife owned a Glock herself at the time of the shooting. As far as I know she still does. That would make the AR15 a target of convenience.

slickwillie2001 on March 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Gee, shouldn’t Homeland Insecurity be removing dangerous weapons from brain-damaged people?

Sorry if that sounds callous, but if reading the constitution aloud at a tax grievance meeting is enough reason to forfeit one’s rights to owning firearms, you’d think that someone lacking a bunch of frontal lobe would also qualify.

bofh on March 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Nonsense. Tyrants should be resisted no matter their background or charm. Benedict Arnold came from a military background too.

dominigan on March 13, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Big whoop. John Freaking Kerry was a LTJG in the USN and he’s a class A scumbag as well.

Wendya on March 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

And, don’t forget: ol’ Jawn Effin’ Keree was in VietNam – and spent Christmas of ’68 in Cambodia (at the orders of Pres. Nixon). And…he has a hat to prove it.

Solaratov on March 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Sorry if that sounds callous, but if reading the constitution aloud at a tax grievance meeting is enough reason to forfeit one’s rights to owning firearms, you’d think that someone lacking a bunch of frontal lobe would also qualify.

bofh on March 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM

And then, there is THIS …

GUNS OF LAW-ABIDING HUSBAND CONFISCATED AFTER WIFE’S SINGLE VOLUNTARY MENTAL HEALTH VISIT

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/12/calif-gun-owner-who-says-she-admitted-herself-to-mental-hospital-for-medication-adjustment-has-guns-confiscated/

Pork-Chop on March 13, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Exactly. Have you seen the latest quote from the 4 star Admiral Commander of Pacific Command? “global warming is our greatest threat in the Pacific theater.”

dentarthurdent on March 13, 2013 at 6:23 PM

He should be retired immediately for that level of stupidity.

slickwillie2001 on March 13, 2013 at 7:44 PM

How can he say it was easy when he still doesn’t have possession of the gun? I didn’t watch the video, did he say how much the used gun cost, because new (if you can find them) they are cost prohibitive for the average man on the street.

Cindy Munford on March 13, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Oh, and I thought he bought the AR and the high capacity magazines to give to the police?

Cindy Munford on March 13, 2013 at 7:47 PM

He did NOT buy an Assault Rifle, he bought an “Assault Weapon”.

No. He did not. He bought a semi-automatic sporting rifle. Assault rifles/weapons are capable of full-automatic fire.

There is a difference.

Another Drew on March 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM

No there isn’t.

Solaratov on March 13, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Mark Kelly is a hypocrite and a kook..:)

Dire Straits on March 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Mark Kelly is a hypocrite and a kook..:)

Dire Straits on March 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM

But smart enough to be gloming onto a pile of tax-free grant money…just for spouting anti-gun slogans and dragging his wife around to grab a boatload of sympathy.
I doubt that he cares what normal Americans think of him as long as the Soros money-boat keeps pulling into his port.

Solaratov on March 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Mark my words, in a few years’ time, he’s going to shoot Gabby with that Sig. He DESPISES being a nursemaid, and is feeling especially put-upon, given that he used to be All That.

All his histrionics are just to remind people what he has to put up with on a daily basis, so he can get some sympathy.

Maddie on March 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

I don’t see him going that far, but I won’t be surprised if I hear him getting some action on the side.

CurtZHP on March 13, 2013 at 8:07 PM

bofh on March 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Bingo!

All the firearms in that house should be confiscated – can’t have them around somebody with a diminished mental capacity.

What was he thinking?

Hill60 on March 13, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Bruce MacMahon on March 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

You, and I, may not think that there is anything called an “Assault Weapon”, but there are pages of laws that define what is and is not an AW (as a CA FFL, I know that only too well).
So, get used to it.

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Another Drew on March 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM

If you want to use the Orwellian, P.C. vocabulary that’s been pre-approved by the enemies of freedom, that’s your right. I don’t give a crap how many laws use that language. I’m well aware of their existence, but that doesn’t mean I have to use their language and debate the issues on their terms.

The term “assault weapon” was created for one purpose, and once purpose only – to confuse the American electorate and trick them into thinking about full-auto machine guns, so they’d be more likely to support a ban on the civilian possession thereof.

No f*****’ way I’m playing along.

F*** that.

Bruce MacMahon on March 13, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Buying a firearm with the intent to transfer it (and not disclosing that fact during purchase on ATFE Form 4473) is a Federal felony, punishable by 10 years in federal prison. It is called a straw-man purchase and is no different than buying a gun for an illegal alien who then goes and shoots police and firefighters in New York….

BTW, simply signing the 4473 is sufficient to prove the crime. Actual possession of the firearm is not required.

Why is he not in jail?

HBowmanMD on March 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Say, you know an .32 or an old S&W .38 won’t go through older walls, and maybe give you a moment to yank out the boomer if needed. Just sayin’.

S. D. on March 13, 2013 at 8:19 PM

So, get used to it.

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Another Drew on March 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM

No.

Bruce MacMahon on March 13, 2013 at 8:19 PM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

I disagree with his ideas and methods. I also question his honesty and his current mental state, his wife having been critically assaulted by a nut. In California, a person in such a state of obvious mental duress would not only not be allowed to purchase, but a SWAT team might actually come to his house with a warrant and confiscate all of his guns and ammunition.

How’s that for respect, Dark Lord?

Jaibones on March 13, 2013 at 8:21 PM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Tim McVeigh served his country honourably in combat.

Resist We Much on March 13, 2013 at 8:22 PM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

He swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States to get into the military.

Going after the 2nd Amendment is doing just the opposite of that.

No one is denigrating his service more than he is doing that on his lonesome. Your oath doesn’t end on discharge. It never ends and is life-long.

ajacksonian on March 13, 2013 at 8:27 PM

You call that an assault rifle? :p Now, that’s https://imageshack.us/a/img253/1835/falsxv0.jpg an assault rifle.

S. D. on March 13, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Perhaps Colin Powell served honorably in Vietnam but that doesn’t forgive his betraying Scooter Libby.

viking01 on March 13, 2013 at 8:40 PM

This dude is seriously trying to get into politics.

ctmom on March 13, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Heh . . . has anyone called Kelly’s attention to how quickly a semi-auto can be reloaded sequentially with a second, third, fourth and etc. magazine?

A semi-auto pistol . . . like the SIG 1911 Kelly is keeping . . . is hardly a “one magazine and done” affair.

With some training, and not a heck of a lot, one can swap out an empty magazine with a charged one in a second or less. (The rate limiting step is this: whether or not the released empty magazine hits the floor. SIG makes great guns, and this is not a problem found in SIGs. Or if it is, SIG will repair the gun.)

FWIW . . . a person well-practiced in speed-loaders can reload a revolver in less than 2 seconds.

Don’t take my word. Check YouTube and watch for yourself.

Sociopaths are not “impulse killers.” They take weeks or months to plan their mass shootings. They take that time to make sure that, in their sick mind, they “get it right.”

BLOC on March 13, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I have never fired an AR-15 or any 5.56 NATO rifle, but I find it sort of remarkable that Kelly grins and laughs about how he supports the 2nd Amendment and loves his .45 semi-automatic pistols, blah, blah, blah…and then wants to tell us how inherently dangerous the AR-15 is.

Here is a pretty comprehensive image of ammunition sizes…judge for yourself how much damage a .45 semi-automatic might do if you had, say, four loaded magazines in your pocket of the capacity that Kelly is blithely comfortable keeping legal.

Yes, he’s a lying hypocrite…no matter what his service was.

Jaibones on March 13, 2013 at 8:57 PM

This story by Mr. Kelley makes no sense whatsoever. I think Mr. Kelley purchased these firearms for his own use which is absolutely lawful but man did he go about this the wrong way. So bad in fact that NASA may want to conduct a quick psychological evaluation of this man because had this been an attempt to expose the ease of purchasing these specific firearms Kelley should have had at least one other individual with him. Bad planning to be sure and IMO bad lying just like our President.

Tangerinesong on March 13, 2013 at 8:58 PM

This dude is seriously trying to get into politics.

ctmom on March 13, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Yup. He thinks he’s going to run for the Senate when McLame finally quits.

Jaibones on March 13, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Please remember, they don’t “trust him with a space shuttle”. The operative word is “trusted“. He is now a pilot who will likely never fly in space again. His job has been outsourced (to SpaceX, Virgin Galactic, etc.) and/or offshored (to the Russians and Chinese). You can’t help but think that he could meet the definition of a disgruntled employee. You know, like the guys who “Go Postal”? Then, there’s the personal trauma the entire family has been through. We should keep a very close eye on Mr. Kelly.

msr on March 13, 2013 at 9:37 PM

This dude is seriously trying to get into politics.

ctmom on March 13, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Yup. He thinks he’s going to run for the Senate when McLame finally quits.

Jaibones on March 13, 2013 at 8:58 PM

…he’ll run as a “Maverick”?

KOOLAID2 on March 13, 2013 at 10:33 PM

jawkneemusic on March 13, 2013 at 6:37 PM

I would nominate a Kimber

PJ Emeritus on March 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM

My analysis of Kelly is that he’s a middle-aged white guy, and he likes guns. He had the misfortune to marry a politician who got shot, now he’s roped in. Still, I haven’t get a drop of pity for the man. He gave away his integrity long ago.

Tyrone Slothrop on March 13, 2013 at 11:50 PM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

I don’t care if he’s the guy who personally capped OBL.
Any respect he might have gained through his service went out the window as soon as he started calling for restrictions on civil rights.

soundingboard on March 14, 2013 at 12:02 AM

As a prominent spokesman for gun control, he needs to know firsthand just how easy it is for someone to walk in off the street and purchase an incredibly dangerous weapon.

Somebody who is a former astronaut, former military officer, and I’m sure a former holder of high government security clearances. Not the kind of person the background checks are designed to make it hard to get a legal weapon through legal means.

Kelly is a grade-A hypocrite who got caught.

Happy Nomad on March 13, 2013 at 5:27 PM

What ‘Happy Nomad’ wrote ^^.

I, too, like other comments here express, find Kelly and his wife’s parading about to be somewhat repulsive. She survived a hideous experience, enough said, but these two and the DNC have been constant in their exploitation and misrepresentation of that event — by a crazy man, not by “a gun owner” as they have exploited it to be.

If they wanted to “ban” something, because the wife was attacked, maybe they should try banning paranoid schizophrenia. Which was the problem that perpetrated the wife’s near-demise.

Oops, can’t ban paranoid schizophrenia, it’s useful to the Left to keep mentally deranged players amongst their midst.

Lourdes on March 14, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Ones honorable service once rendered is not a shield against doing dishonorable and treasonous things. His past actions, in light of his present actions in no way shape or form grant him license to be a dishonorable douche bag.

SWalker on March 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Again, I agree.

This presumption that service then renders one immune from criticism for later actions is wrong and also misleading.

Otherwise, why aren’t we all honoring Hasan? Think about it, the guy “served honorably” until he, eventually, didn’t.

That’s an extreme comparison, I realize, but what Kelly is being criticized for being (“a douchebag…a liar” as some have said) is due to his LATER activities AFTER he “served honorably.”

Lourdes on March 14, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Buying a firearm with the intent to transfer it (and not disclosing that fact during purchase on ATFE Form 4473) is a Federal felony, punishable by 10 years in federal prison.

HBowmanMD on March 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Interesting point.

Happy Nomad on March 13, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Kelly’s not only not in jail, he’s not been charged with his obvious and serious violation of the law.

This yells out for a remedy, that he’s above the law while being so clearly guilty of a crime.

Lourdes on March 14, 2013 at 12:48 AM

http://www.pagunblog.com/2013/03/12/we-have-language-for-s-374-the-transfer-ban/

Schumer’s latest ammendment to the gun checks bill. It includes wonders like “If you leave home for more than 7 days and leave anyone at home, that becomes a felony illegal transfer. 5 years in prison for each of you.”

oryguncon on March 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM

The guy’s a Navy captain who served the country honorably in combat. Perhaps you can show him some respect even as you disagree with his ideas and methods. Thank you.

Time Lord on March 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

This guy is a scumbag and a hypocrite, a fellow who loves his wife so much he left her behind with a serious injury while he jaunted through space. Now he appears to be using his wife’s’ injury to impose his totalitarian impulsea on others. His PAST military service has no bearing on his PRESENT behavior. In my view, he deserves no respect at all. Period.

zoyclem on March 14, 2013 at 7:51 AM

Has anyone bothered to ask the gun shop where he bought the AR if Kelly also bought ammo to go with it?

I’m betting he did. And if he did, he had no intention of “donating” it. Unless he owns another firearm capable of shooting that particular kind of ammo. And if he does, why did he need this one?

He’s lying. He got caught. Then he made up a downright painful lie to cover up his original, stupid lie.

I have no issue with him owning a legal firearm. I have a problem with his hypocrisy, then his lies.

But he’s a democrat, so no one cares.

runawayyyy on March 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Has anyone bothered to ask the gun shop where he bought the AR if Kelly also bought ammo to go with it?

runawayyyy on March 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM

I’d actually be surprised if the store had any .223 ammo in stock to go with it. My wife just bought an AR-15 Saturday, and the store had NO ammo of that type left from their Friday shipment. Even with a 3 box limit, they sell out within an hour of opening the store the day their ammo shipments come in.

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2013 at 1:24 PM

I think a bolt action rifle is just as deadly as a semi-automatic one of the same caliber.

billrowe on March 14, 2013 at 4:30 PM

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