NBC: NRA won’t block deal on background checks in Congress — as long as private sellers aren’t forced to keep records; Update: No way, says NRA

posted at 6:41 pm on March 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

The NRA’s not confirming it, but they’re not no-way-no-how-no-chance-ing it either.

Senators negotiating a bill mandating background checks for all gun buyers are privately expecting the National Rifle Association not to fight the measure — provided the legislation does not to require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks, NBC News has learned.

If that requirement is met and key Republican negotiator Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma signs on, the powerful gun lobby has signaled to lawmakers that they would not actively oppose the bill — and not count votes in favor of it as part of its highly influential NRA lawmaker ratings — according to Senate aides familiar with the stalled negotiations…

The NRA denies being part of any agreement. “We do not take positions on hypotheticals. We will make our position known if and when legislation is introduced,” said Chris Cox, the group’s top lobbyist…

Sources familiar with the negotiations suggest that Schumer has only made a public break [recently] with Coburn because he’s trying to convince groups on the left — the Bloomberg group, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, and others — that they need to give in on record-keeping in order to save a broader package.

Coburn opposes record-keeping because he thinks it might lead to a government gun registry. Schumer insists on record-keeping because it’s the easiest way to prove that that a private seller actually did run a background check on a purchaser before the sale. You already know how this issue polls based on previous posts here, I think, but in case not, here’s a new one from ABC/WaPo this morning:

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Here’s the question: Who’s floating this story to NBC and why? One possibility is that it’s a desperation ploy by Schumer, whose current background-check bill barely passed the Senate Judiciary Committee today and is already facing fierce pushback from gun-rights supporters for some of the transfer provisions. Maybe he thinks his bill is headed for a filibuster and is willing to give up on record-keeping in hopes of wringing a few votes out of the GOP caucus. Leaking to the press that the NRA might concede on checks if the left gives up on records is another way to put pressure on his side to deal. Another possibility is that it’s Coburn, who’s executing a variation of Schumer’s strategy. Schumer, allegedly, is feigning a public split with Coburn over the record-keeping issue in order to force his side to give ground; Coburn could be whispering to the media about a tentative NRA concession in order to make the compromise bill more salable to the right. And while the NRA could stop him by flatly denying it, those poll numbers on background checks might have them thinking it’s better to sit back and keep quiet while things play out between Coburn and Schumer. Why weigh in against a measure with wide public support until they absolutely have to?

A third possibility is that it’s the NRA itself that’s leaking, either because they think the GOP might cave on this or because they think they won’t. Ninety-one percent support for background checks puts a lot of pressure on Republicans; if the NRA goes to the mat in opposition and Schumer somehow squeezes enough votes to get to 60 anyway, the left will take it as a sign that the NRA’s influence is diminishing and that they should keep up the fight for more aggressive gun control. If a Republican cave is in the works here, this may be the NRA’s way of getting out in front the damage control by whispering to the media that they never threw their full weight behind stopping it. They’re as strong as ever; they just didn’t try real hard to win this time. Or, conversely, maybe the NRA’s calculated that there’s no way Schumer’s bill will pass and there’s also no way Democrats will concede on record-keeping (Bloomberg’s outfit, for one, insists on records of private gun sales lest the new background-check process end up toothless), in which case leaking their support for a compromise deal carries no cost. If nothing’s going to happen in the Senate, why not tell the media you were fine with a hypothetical deal? When gun-rights fans object, the NRA can simply deny NBC’s report; meanwhile, fencesitters on the gun issue who’ve heard that the NRA is an “extreme” group opposed to even the most moderate and popular new gun regs might see NBC’s report and conclude that the organization’s not nearly as hardline as liberals insist.

The problem with that theory is, according to some gun-rights advocates, the objections to Schumer’s bill go way beyond record-keeping. To make it acceptable, a whole lot more would have to change than just the records provisions. So, in all likelihood, the NRA would oppose it even if Schumer caved to Coburn on records. Exit question: Who’s leaking and why?

Update: So much for that theory. The NBC story is completely untrue, says the NRA:

An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.

The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, “provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks”. This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.

The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system.


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Because gang members are going to ask for background checks on their fellow gang members.

/sarc

No background checks for private sales.

rbj on March 12, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Why don’t we just educate gun owners, like rapists?

BobMbx on March 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Seven Percent Solution on March 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Who gives a damn what the polls say? The Bill of Rights is not subject to the whims of an angry and uninformed populace.

Shall not be infringed low info voters!

jawkneemusic on March 12, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Where does the Federal Government have the Authority to control the people’s private property this way?

Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Universal background checks are the first step toward a national gun registry, which is the first step toward gun confiscation. THIS MUST BE STOPPED!

Pork-Chop on March 12, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Why don’t we just educate gun owners, like rapists?
BobMbx on March 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Ha

jawkneemusic on March 12, 2013 at 6:51 PM

These creaking GOPe need to understand one thing;”shall not be infringed”. I’m just sick of Coburn already. If he wasn’t retiring, I’d primary him myself if it’d help get rid of him or infofe .

AH_C on March 12, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Where does the Federal Government have the Authority to control the people’s private property this way?
Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 6:49 PM

They don’t. This should be challenged should it pass.

jawkneemusic on March 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Will there be a background check/waiting period for private party sales of personal computers?

Another Drew on March 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

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canopfor on March 12, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Lefty Hippy-Crit on Parade!!

Hypocrisy: Gun Control Advocate Buys AR-15
By The Arizona Daily Star March 12, 2013 12:30 pm

Kelly, who has formed a pro-gun-control group with his wife, former Tucson Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, went on a national news program Monday to explain why he bought the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle a week ago in Tucson.(More…)
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http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/03/12/hypocrisy-gun-control-advocate-buys-ar-15/

canopfor on March 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Section 202 would set a maximum fee for doing the paperwork. It would also require the Form 4473 be kept by the FFL doing the transfer.

novaculus on March 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM

We need to understand the process behind this. This is how conservatives lose everything.

1. There is an appearance of invulnerability…conservatives pat themselves on the back about how leftists/Dems are scared to death of the issue

2. Meanwhile the left is constantly vigilant for opportunities, and constantly builds, in the background, systems and processes that will meet their ultimate goal…a gun-free country in this case

3. ‘Suddenly’ an opportunity arises where the Left Machine goes into hyper-drive…(think 60 seat Senate majority and barry.care)

4. the conservative position is suddenly fragile….and subject to dramatic setback

For example, the AWB is much better than the universal background check. Witness CA where they are confiscating guns of people who have mental illness reports…and their household.

As i said on another thread, once the barry.care and the universal background check databases are merged, then people who are on Paxil will not be able to own a gun (or members of their households)

The framework on SSRIs has already been build wrt depression, suicidal idealization and SSRIs…and you wouldn’t want someone like that having Access to a Gun…would you? Survey says…NO!

So there you have it….the invulnerability of a conservative position is highly vulnerable…underneath the surface

With no one arguing core principles…rational principles (no appeals to authority) this will always happen. A weak R party that just wants to get on TV will always fail

r keller on March 12, 2013 at 6:59 PM

I’d trade background checks
For banning registration
At every level.

Including handguns.

Haiku Guy on March 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM

provided the legislation does not to require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks, NBC News has learned.

What does that have to do with anything? The feral government is keeping records of every check that comes through them. You’d have to be stupid to think they aren’t, law or no.

The NRA was always looking to cave. They wobbled in the days after Sandy Hook but did nothing to reinforce the 2nd amendment in the days of Sooper-Dooper Storm Sandy, when people were left all to their own with no services, no cops, no nothing.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM

The NRA not saying where they stand until a bill is presented for consideration is a smart move. It leaves the lawmakers wondering just how far they can go, forcing them to remain cautious. NRA support for a law that many members don’t like will beat up the group’s prestige, which I’m sure the heads won’t want.

I see the leak, if any, coming from the gun-grabbers. They have been desperate of late, shrill and trying everything under the sun to gain support (government-ordered anger management classes, anyone?). The crest they rode for a few days after Sandy Hook is long gone, so they need to divide and conquer much as they can to score a win. Misinformation is their only real tool and advantage right now, so they need to use it to the max.

I’m not going to sweat over this until a bill is presented and we and the NRA have to do something about it.

Liam on March 12, 2013 at 7:01 PM

once the Feds have the database, confiscation begins…

burserker on March 12, 2013 at 7:01 PM

once the Feds have the database, confiscation begins…

burserker on March 12, 2013 at 7:01 PM

It’s already happening in CA – watch the bar be lowered on mentally stability.

California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/california-seizes-guns-as-owners-lose-right-to-bear-arms.html

California is the only state that tracks and disarms people with legally registered guns who have lost the right to own them, according to Attorney General Kamala Harris. Almost 20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms, including convicted felons, those under a domestic violence restraining order or deemed mentally unstable.

Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

This will be a national gun registry. I don’t know why the NRA and Republicans aren’t equally pushing for restrictions on Hollywood and violent video games. F*****g Republicans always on their heels.

Dongemaharu on March 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

NRA sellout, again. won’t renew if they pull this kind of stunt.

Sandybourne on March 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Frankly, it’s time for people to start building their own guns and reloading. I’ve done my last background check (which are utter jokes, to begin with, and infringements on top of it) and my last purchase of a weapon off the shelf.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

How the hell are they going to know if I sell a hunting rifle to my neighbor?

They won’t. It’ll be a private transaction.

Unless of course, I have to register all my guns. Then they can inspect my home, to make sure that the number/style/serial numbers of guns in my safe, matches the number/style/serial numbers of the guns registered.

Otherwise, there’s no way that they’ll ever know if I’ve “circumvented” the new background check requirement for all private sales.

Hill60 on March 12, 2013 at 7:09 PM

NRA won’t block deal on background checks in Congress — as long as private sellers aren’t forced to keep records

What are the Republicans getting in exchange from the Democrats for agreeing to background checks?

Or is this another one sided deal where the Republicans do whatever the Democrats want without any “compromise” from the Democrats?

RJL on March 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Funny how they don’t have the time or resources to purge their voter registration records though, huh?

Hill60 on March 12, 2013 at 7:12 PM

The NRA not saying where they stand until a bill is presented for consideration is a smart move. It leaves the lawmakers wondering just how far they can go, forcing them to remain cautious. NRA support for a law that many members don’t like will beat up the group’s prestige, which I’m sure the heads won’t want.

I see the leak, if any, coming from the gun-grabbers. They have been desperate of late, shrill and trying everything under the sun to gain support (government-ordered anger management classes, anyone?). The crest they rode for a few days after Sandy Hook is long gone, so they need to divide and conquer much as they can to score a win. Misinformation is their only real tool and advantage right now, so they need to use it to the max.

I’m not going to sweat over this until a bill is presented and we and the NRA have to do something about it.

Liam on March 12, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Don’t forget for a second that the gun grabbers aren’t anxiously waiting for another “Horrific” massacre to further their National Socialist, gun grabbing agenda.

You can well imagine that the press releases have already been written and the TV appearance talking points outlined, all they need is to fill in the blanks after throwing back a few bottles of Champagne.

Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Incrementalism.

But it’s cool. They’ll take our guns, but we’ll still be able to play violent video games.

Until they decide we shouldn’t do that anymore, either.

Kensington on March 12, 2013 at 7:15 PM

How the hell are they going to know if I sell a hunting rifle to my neighbor?

They won’t. It’ll be a private transaction.

Unless of course, I have to register all my guns. Then they can inspect my home, to make sure that the number/style/serial numbers of guns in my safe, matches the number/style/serial numbers of the guns registered.

Otherwise, there’s no way that they’ll ever know if I’ve “circumvented” the new background check requirement for all private sales.

Hill60 on March 12, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Of course, this is the goal.

Aviator on March 12, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Gun Confiscation begins!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/12/nj-mother-forced-to-turn-over-her-guns-charged-with-terroristic-threats-after-reading-the-constitution-at-tax-dispute-assembly/

This is why many conservative where against the Patriot Act.

jjnco73 on March 12, 2013 at 7:15 PM

I’m not concerned about leaks and rumors. Too many of the players are utterly dishonest. The only thing I’m confidentabout: If Schumer is making noise Schumer is lying.

The official NRA position of wait-and-see makes perfect sense. At this point what is on the table is terminally objectionable on several grounds. Why should the NRA stake out a position on a hill where no battle may ever be fought?

novaculus on March 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Here’s the text of the law.

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legislation/upload/ALB13180.pdf

This is a piece of garbage legislation. It makes it a federal offense if a husband leaves on a business trip for more than 7 days without transferring too and getting a background done on his wife.

This bill must be killed.

jawkneemusic on March 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM

The NRA will NOT support private gun sale bans.

TX-96 on March 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Don’t forget for a second that the gun grabbers aren’t anxiously waiting for another “Horrific” massacre to further their National Socialist, gun grabbing agenda.

Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 7:12 PM

They’re all sporting chubbies over it, I’m sure. The glee of trolls here on every thread about Sand Hook tells all we need to know.

Liam on March 12, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Senate Dems pass background check bill, ignoring Grassley warning
http://www.examiner.com/article/senate-dems-pass-background-check-bill-ignoring-grassley-warning

Senate Republicans are wary of the federal background check legislation, and Sen. Grassley reminded the committee during Tuesday’s debate that “Criminals do not comply with existing background check laws. Why would anyone think criminals will comply (with) broader background check requirements?”

The federal measure is running into the same kind of opposition as the state-level bill. Opponents are concerned about record-keeping and possible privacy issues, along with the potential for abuse of the background check system to build a de facto registry. Sen. Schumer argued that the notion “demeans the argument” and he insisted that the bill prohibits registration and confiscation.

According to Bloomberg News, armed teams of lawmen have been moving in to various residences, confiscating guns from people who have legally-registered them under state statute, if they have lost their gun rights.

The story reports one seizure operation that happened because a gun owner spent a couple of days in a mental facility. According to the story, the guns were seized because the wife of the gun owner had a mental illness problem, but she told the newspaper that the situation had been “exaggerated” by an admitting nurse. Police took three guns, one registered to her, and two registered to her husband, who apparently had done nothing wrong, and there were no arrests.

But with the California report, Grassley’s objection – quoted by the Times – might hit a nerve. He told the committee that “mass shootings would continue to occur despite universal background checks. Criminals will continue to steal guns and buy them illegally to circumvent the requirements.”

“When that happens,” Grassley said, “we will be back here debating whether gun registration is needed. And when registration fails, then the next step is gun confiscation.”

Colbyjack on March 12, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Gun Confiscation begins!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/12/nj-mother-forced-to-turn-over-her-guns-charged-with-terroristic-threats-after-reading-the-constitution-at-tax-dispute-assembly/

This is why many conservative where against the Patriot Act.

jjnco73 on March 12, 2013 at 7:15 PM

I hope that after Mrs. Hart is cleared, the employee that filed the false charges is fired from his job. And a hefty civil suit of the company is filed by the Harts as well.

Liberals cannot be allowed to get away with things like this any more.

Liam on March 12, 2013 at 7:25 PM

I hope that after Mrs. Hart is cleared, the employee that filed the false charges is fired from his job. And a hefty civil suit of the company is filed by the Harts as well.

Liberals cannot be allowed to get away with things like this any more.

Liam on March 12, 2013 at 7:25 PM

I agree with your comment. We better pay particular attention to this story because Liberals are testing the waters.

jjnco73 on March 12, 2013 at 7:35 PM

NRA, we will sell some of your freedoms and rights every time the there is something unfortunate that occurs in society and a gun is present.

astonerii on March 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM

It’s amazing how many support “background checks”, yet don’t seem to realize that public testimony has shown that NICS has so many gaps, you could drive a tank through them.

But I’m sure we’ll get around to “fixing” those gaps…..someday.

GarandFan on March 12, 2013 at 7:45 PM

The Republicans in Congress and the NRA had better not support this.

Others have said it and AP wrote up how it will go yesterday, using the soda ban as the example.

The powers that be want some sort of check implemented. Even if they don’t get what they want, it’s one step closer. Ether way, the Left wins if they pass something. They don’t get what they want yet get a check passed, they can add to it at some point in the future or they get what they want now. Win-win.

NO background checks. If you’re going to have all of the damn exemptions in Title 1, there is no point to the legislation but to ACCUMULATE RECORDS!

catmman on March 12, 2013 at 7:46 PM

The proverbial camel’s nose under the tent. Oh and by the way once approved you’ll only be required to pay a fee of fifty dollars to run the background check. No, let’s make it one hundred.

iamsaved on March 12, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Make it a felony to report any info obtained to the government or any agent thereof etc, etc,

The government may not in any of its agencies use any information obtained by such checks whether obtained accidentally or through other means.
If, after three years, ….. more lawyer talk etc,

Don L on March 12, 2013 at 7:53 PM

After the background check fee, the buyer will have to produce a photo id and a notarized statement from their psychiatrist beforenthey can proceed.

iamsaved on March 12, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Nobody should be surprised by this, the NRA will continue to sell out it’s members. It does not care about the true intent of the 2nd amendment. We need “no compromise” representatives on the 2nd amendment. Compromise is great, but not when our God given rights are being compromised. If the NRA cannot see that they do not deserve 1 more dollar from anybody.

deuce on March 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM

So much for Ap’s theories:

Statement from Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA Executive Director, regarding inaccurate NBC story alleging that NRA won’t oppose background check bill:

An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.

The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, “provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks”. This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.

The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system.

.
So much for “Chucky Cheese” Schumer’s ‘strategic leak’.

PolAgnostic on March 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Exit question: Who’s leaking and why?

The who is the crack team of propagandists at nbc news.

The why is desperation as their gun grabbing dreams go up in flames.

There are no deals on ANY of the hard core Fascist Feinstein’s gun grabbing fantasies.

Freddy on March 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Where does the Federal Government have the Authority to control the people’s private property this way?

Galt2009
on March 12, 2013 at 6:49 PM

.
Default/laziness on the part of the American people, since the end of WWII.
We slowly began to come out of it, after Clinton was elected (and Rush Limbaugh went “national”).
With this President, we’ve quickly become much more vociferous.
.

They don’t. This should be challenged should it pass.

jawkneemusic on March 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

.
See ? … There’s one of us, now !: )

listens2glenn on March 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

What are the Republicans getting in exchange from the Democrats for agreeing to background checks?

Or is this another one sided deal where the Republicans do whatever the Democrats want without any “compromise” from the Democrats?

RJL on March 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Good question, how are the Democrats going to compromise, are they going to get rid of gun-free zones?

FloatingRock on March 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM

fierce pushback from gun-rights supporters

This link in the story deserves to be read. Scarry stuff.

Barred on March 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Chris Cox of the NRA just sent out an email blast debunking the NBC story at 8:13 pm.

cadams on March 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Not a dime of my money if they GIVE ONE F*CKING INCH ON MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

NOT A DIME, NRA.

mountainaires on March 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Straight from the NRA website:

NRA Response

An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.

The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, “provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks”. This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.

dugan on March 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

The NRA denies being part of any agreement. “We do not take positions on hypotheticals. We will make our position known if and when legislation is introduced,” said Chris Cox, the group’s top lobbyist…

Sources familiar with the negotiations suggest that Schumer has only made a public break [recently] with Coburn because he’s trying to convince groups on the left — the Bloomberg group, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, and others — that they need to give in on record-keeping in order to save a broader package.

excerpt: Kasie Hunt, Political Reporter, NBC News

.
Behind closed doors, anything is possible.

We will know before the final vote on any such thing, whether the NRA is conceding anything.

listens2glenn on March 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.

AMEN.

mountainaires on March 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM

scarry= scary

Barred on March 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM

These traitorous bungholes are playing with fire.

Mr. Arrogant on March 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM

PolAgnostic on March 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Schumer’s record makes it prudent to consider him guilty until proven innocent. The “leak” reeks of Chuckie Cheese.

novaculus on March 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

RJL on March 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Good question, how are the Democrats going to compromise, are they going to get rid of gun-free zones?

FloatingRock on March 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Nah! You don’t how the ‘Anaconda’ game works:

A). A criminal doesn’t obey the law (go figure) and silly signs and shoots up a ‘gun-free’ locale

B). Since the National Socialists don’t want to do the heavy lifting of punishing the guilty, they instead go after our freedom.

C). This lose of freedom doesn’t do anything to stop the next shooting and we return to A. and it starts all over again.

Each and every ‘crisis’ means freedom is squeezed a little bit more until it’s gone – and then the Low Info Boneheads wonder aloud, what happened to the country?

Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Where does the Federal Government have the Authority to control the people’s private property this way?

Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 6:49 PM

.
Default/laziness on the part of the American people, since the end of WWII.
We slowly began to come out of it, after Clinton was elected (and Rush Limbaugh went “national”).
With this President, we’ve quickly become much more vociferous.
.

They don’t. This should be challenged should it pass.

jawkneemusic on March 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

.
See ? … There’s one of us, now ! … : )

listens2glenn on March 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

More people need to wake up to the danger here.

Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM

I am of the opinion that the state registration that is required
now is for the most part adequate. Some states may need to shore
up their legislation, in particular for persons with mental health
issues.

How is federal gun legislation going to prevent murders?

These proposed laws ARE a precursor to taking away citizen rights
to own guns.

NRA Stand Strong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amjean on March 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

So much for “Chucky Cheese” Schumer’s ‘strategic leak’.

PolAgnostic on March 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

I got an email from the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action that had the very quote you show in your post. I sent it to “Tips” so I expect AP to update any moment now.

Vince on March 12, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Nobody should be surprised by this, the NRA will continue to sell out it’s members. It does not care about the true intent of the 2nd amendment. We need “no compromise” representatives on the 2nd amendment. Compromise is great, but not when our God given rights are being compromised. If the NRA cannot see that they do not deserve 1 more dollar from anybody.

deuce on March 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM

It’s obvious that you aren’t a member of the NRA. I don’t know why people don’t double check this bs before they spout off.

Vince on March 12, 2013 at 8:41 PM

And I almost, almost, purchased a three year membership to the NRA recently.

NO Federal legislation on gun rights. None. Investigate the gun running by the government in Fast and the Furious, where is the NRA on this scandal?

When is Coburn retiring? Seems like I’ve been waiting forever since he made the announcement he was, this guy really irritates me.

Daemonocracy on March 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Just upgraded my NRA membership today. Proud to belong to a civil rights organization that consistently stands up for all citizens, even those who bad mouth them.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on March 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Straight from the NRA website:

NRA Response

An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.

The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, “provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks”. This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.

dugan on March 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

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Hotair commenter #1: “How do we know we can trust them?”

Hotair commenter #2: “How do you know that we can’t ?”

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It could be “anything”.

Once I checked out the NBC.com article linked by Allah’, I was immediately suspicious of it (that’s NOT a criticism of Allahpundit).
But my suspicions don’t prove it’s wrong, either.

Always be suspicious of “leaked, anonymous source stories”, that implicate ‘anyone who’s supposed to be a friend’, with some kind of malice.

It could just be someone at NBC trying to pit us against each other … or, … there might be some truth to it.
Wait for corroborating sources to confirm such things.

listens2glenn on March 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

NO Federal legislation on gun rights. None. Investigate the gun running by the government in Fast and the Furious, where is the NRA on this scandal?

Daemonocracy on March 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Look at any back issue of any NRA magazine since December 2010 and you will see where the NRA is on this issue. They have been sounding the alarm all along, detailing the evidence, supporting Issa, and providing support to the Terry family. In fact, the Terrys were at the Annual meeting shortly after his murder. If you think the NRA hasn’t taken a stand and played a role in Fast and Furious, you are uninformed at the very least.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on March 12, 2013 at 8:47 PM

It could just be someone at NBC trying to pit us against each other

listens2glenn on March 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

That’s why I held the opinion earlier in the thread that the ‘leak’ came from Schumer. The gun-grabbers need to divide us and create suspicion in our ranks to be able to pull up a win. Disinformation is all they have left.

Liam on March 12, 2013 at 8:59 PM

NBC…yeah, they have that trustworthiness problem.

I’m glad the NRA came out and said it wasn’t true. But of course, the damage has been done with it not being reported as widely as the false claim reported by NBC.

ProfShadow on March 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Where does the Federal Government have the Authority to control the people’s private property this way?

Galt2009 on March 12, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Where the hell have you been? The Supremes say they can force us to buy something so they can certainly make us keep a record of a sale…/s

They can kiss my ass. Shall not be infringed means what it says. I guess I’ll just be an outlaw if they pass this crap. Wait, what I meant was I sold all my guns last week, right before i was required to keep records..my bad.

Doomsday on March 12, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Lesson from this story: NBC is not a trusted news source.

Now that we have at last hopefully all learned that lesson can we move on.

William Eaton on March 12, 2013 at 10:03 PM

In fact, the Terrys were at the Annual meeting shortly after his murder. If you think the NRA hasn’t taken a stand and played a role in Fast and Furious, you are uninformed at the very least.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on March 12, 2013 at 8:47 PM

You can call me uninformed, or you could ask why the NRA hasn’t put out web ads, TV ads, and Brochures to reach every uninformed person out there. After Obama invoked Executive Privilege, the scandal has just gone away.

My big problems with the NRA is their support of candidates who vote in favor of gun grabbing judges in the courts, we’re one Supreme Court vacancy away from losing Heller.

Daemonocracy on March 12, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Please explain exactly how this would have prevented Newtown.

John Deaux on March 12, 2013 at 11:47 PM

And while the NRA could stop him by flatly denying it, those poll numbers on background checks might have them thinking it’s better to sit back and keep quiet while things play out between Coburn and Schumer. Why weigh in against a measure with wide public support until they absolutely have to?

Don’t buy it. The NRA isn’t running for office, it’s a lobbying group.

The NRA has a policy of giving endorsements to incumbents who are hard left wing, as long as that incumbent to some degree supports gun rights. In return …

it is the NRA therefore who gets to be on all the hostile news outlets as the (sole) voice of gun owners

The NRA has been pretty good in the recent hoopla, but supporting lefties like Dingell get re elected ad infinitum builds strength into the DC anti gun power structure

I suspect the NRA took some heat from gun owners and pulled back the trial balloon on this one

This is why a single lobbying group is not a good idea. There are others, but the NRA has cush’d itself into a media supported monopoly

entagor on March 13, 2013 at 1:34 AM

This is why a single lobbying group is not a good idea. There are others, but the NRA has cush’d itself into a media supported monopoly

entagor on March 13, 2013 at 1:34 AM

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Gun Owners of America … GOA.

listens2glenn on March 13, 2013 at 3:35 AM

Frankly, it’s time for people to start building their own guns and reloading. I’ve done my last background check (which are utter jokes, to begin with, and infringements on top of it) and my last purchase of a weapon off the shelf.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Got my first 80% lower in the mail just a couple of weeks ago. Psyched :)

WhatSlushfund on March 13, 2013 at 4:59 AM

Infringement slips quietly in on pads of incrementalism and reasonableness.

LizardLips on March 13, 2013 at 7:12 AM

Update: I take back what I said about the NRA.

astonerii on March 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM

I’d trade background checks
For banning registration
At every level.

Including handguns.

Haiku Guy on March 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Sounds good.

Let’s start by removing the serial numbers on forearms then.

WryTrvllr on March 13, 2013 at 9:22 AM

hey thats funny.
freudian slip that one.

WryTrvllr on March 13, 2013 at 9:22 AM

NRA sellout, again. won’t renew if they pull this kind of stunt.

Sandybourne on March 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

God. If the democrats can’t at LEAST ban a 30 round magazine after all this, I’ll never donate to the DNC again.

WryTrvllr on March 13, 2013 at 9:26 AM

You can call me uninformed, or you could ask why the NRA hasn’t put out web ads, TV ads, and Brochures to reach every uninformed person out there. After Obama invoked Executive Privilege, the scandal has just gone away.

My big problems with the NRA is their support of candidates who vote in favor of gun grabbing judges in the courts, we’re one Supreme Court vacancy away from losing Heller.

Daemonocracy on March 12, 2013 at 10:25 PM

It is not my job to do your homework for you, nor to continually refute your “arguments” and obvious intent to remain ignorant. This then, is a forum for you to display your lack of effort at learning the truth of the NRA’s position and long standing tradition of supporting the Second Amendment and only the Second Amendment. It is after all the National RIFLE Assocation, not the National Republican Association.

May I suggest you go to the NRA website and research their efforts on Fast and Furious. You’ll find it was comprehesive and passionate. Last, and then I am done with you until you turn in your homework, Duh, we absolutly know we are a single vote on SCOTUS away from losing our civil rights. The NRA has done its homework, now it is your turn.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on March 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM