whbates on March 12, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Yeah – I can see a LOT of things elude you………..are you even qualified to HAVE a conversation about anything “scientific” – because you seem a little light in that regard……you need to do some more reading first – I would suggest starting with “30 Years That Shook Physics” by George Gamow.

williamg on March 12, 2013 at 12:16 AM

I’m sorry is there anything scientific in any of the links. I didn’t find any, maybe you could be more specific. Maybe you and

PolAgnostic on March 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Could get together and come up with something. PolAgnostic seems to be concerned about something that eludes me.

I wish that I could say that “Conservatives have a better, clearer and less hysterical understanding of these sciences”, and that I could come to a Conservative Blog site – such as this one – and read reason and logic. Sadly – such is not the case. This Blog was one of the WORST offenders in publishing Bogus and Rampant Lies about Fukushima while it was happening.

Sad.

One of the BEST, Most Accurate and Most Reliable? Blackfive. C’est la vie.

Well – the link above, surprisingly, contains more truth that I have read here about Fukushima.

So……despite the Media Hysteria – Fukushima posed NO significant risk to the health and safety of The Public…..

“These are pretty small proportional increases. The additional risk is quite small and will probably be hidden by the noise of other (cancer) risks like people’s lifestyle choices and statistical fluctuations. It’s more important not to start smoking than having been in Fukushima.”

http://science.time.com/2013/03/01/meltdown-despite-the-fear-the-health-risks-from-the-fukushima-accident-are-minimal/

The Japanese don’t have to use nuclear power but then they pay a lot on a daily basis for oil. If they don’t want to pay so much, they have to decide what level of risk they will accept.

One choice I doubt they’d make is to give up modern living and go back to the old pre-industrial, feudal Japan way of life.

But man, I mean 99% of Japanese believe in global warming too.

Dongemaharu on March 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Right… But I think the Japanese Nuclear lobby just needs to run some Hello Kitty ads promoting Nuclear Power & walla… It will be hip in Japan…

Climate is not static so Climate change is real… But it’s been real since the original sin… It was real after the Great Flood… It was real before mass manufacturing & it will be real no matter how much $$$ Al Gore can extort from suckers…

One thing I would like to see some research on is Pre-arisol bans… I never heard any problems with the space shuttle… Then after the ingredients that they made the foam on the outer tanks where changed… We started to have catastrophic holes in the tiles from foam breaking off the tanks…

Anybody remember the daily End of the world because of the ozone layer back in the 80′s… They try to say that is no longer the case because we stop using Arisol’s… But it was a couple of volcanic eruption’s that made that bogie man mute… BS, BS, BS…

Of course, that’s in Japan. They don’t really have many options. 70 years ago they went to war with us over oil.

Meanwhile on the other side of the Pacific, almost 35 years after Three Mile Island the US has still not turned the corner on anti-nuclear energy hysteria. Meanwhile we are manufacturing our own oil crisis. We don’t need outsiders or natural disasters to self-destruct. We can do it to ourselves. All we need to do is elect socialists and liberal lunatics.

As for the Nuclear plant itself… The problem is that once the plant is operational… Countries seem to forget to update/maintain/upgrade… All over the World… They have a mentality of build it and forget it until there is an accident… Then that plant that was design/built and last retrofitted 20 to 30 years ago is judged by today’s tech… That is BS…

Maybe this time they wont screw it up though.

TX-96 on March 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM

They didn’t screw it up.

There was an earthquake that killed 20,000 people (there have been exactly zero confirmed radiation casualties since 3/11/2011 in Japan) and knocked the entire planet 9 inches off its axis.

And speaking of causalities, the number of casualties from causes unique to nuclear power in Germany over the last 50 years has also been exactly zero. In 2011, organic farming killed 50 german citizens.

Guess which industry the German government is shutting down?

Maybe this time they wont screw it up though.

Failure to recognize this, while focusing on options that do not and cannot have the magnitudes [of supply] required, will inevitably lead to increasingly dangerous energy shortages. Who then will answer? Will [it be] the environmental activist, who blocks real options, and then puts forth options that cannot meet the need?
- Dr. Charles Till, Associate Director (ret.), Argonne National Laboratory

Good to see the people of Japan finally figuring this out. Now we’re just waiting on Germany.

If we turned our back every time flaws were exposed in technological applications and it’s inherent imperfections due to human nature, we’d all still be running around naked and using sticks as the universal implement.

Dusty on March 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Apparently, you see something wrong with that. When that sort of activity was popular, there wasn’t anything that even slightly resembled welfare.

In fact, if you screwed off a lot, you might be dinner.

Fukushima: 0 killed, 0 injured, 0 sickened. Outlook: 0 health impact from radiation. Greatest health impact from Fukushima: psychological impact due to lack of education on radiation hazards and irresponsible reporting.

More people died from organic German sprouts and organic Colorado cantaloupe than have died from nuclear power accidents.

crosspatch

Cigar winner!

I’ve always wondered why the French are so smart that they get nukes for their electricity.

But man, I mean 99% of Japanese believe in global warming too.

Dongemaharu on March 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM

It’s almost Spring when “global warming” becomes “climate change.” And it is okay to believe that global warming is occurring. The problem comes when one becomes arrogant enough to think that mankind can change the trend.

Dongemaharu on March 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Do they really? Now that is sad…

Why should anyone be forced into a lower quality of life for phantom menaces? Any new power generation plant will be thousands of times safer than Fukushima due to the increased knowledge since then.

astonerii on March 11, 2013 at 1:16 PM

That’s what I politely tell people. It seems that a lot of people agree, but they can’t bring themselves to outwardly endorse nuclear power to any significant degree. They’re very sheepish about it.

But man, I mean 99% of Japanese believe in global warming too.

Dongemaharu on March 11, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Why should anyone be forced into a lower quality of life for phantom menaces? Any new power generation plant will be thousands of times safer than Fukushima due to the increased knowledge since then.

They know how to do nuke power, it’s the cheapest thing they can bring online, and in the end, the Japanese people simply won’t do without their electric and electronic addictions.

Marcola on March 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I have this conversation frequently with Japanese. In fact, just yesterday, because of the anniversary, I was talking to this woman and she was convinced that Japan should rely less on electricity. So I asked her if that means banning electric toilets. That stopped her in her tracks. The contradictions around here are too many to count. Japanese talk a lot about such things but most of the improvements are incremental or superficial.

Video: Two years after Fukushima accident, Japan starts turning back to nuclear power
posted at 12:26 pm on March 11, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The headline is misleading. Could just as well mean they’re turning their back to nuclear power. Which is maybe what headline science is all about. Making you read the story to figure out what the darn headline means.

… but Fukushima’s actual problems are widely ignored by the media everywhere … what? you thought only the American media was propaganda arm of the government?

I worked on DoE facilities in the ’70′s & ’80′s.

Google “Fernald” and pick a starting place – 20+ years to remediate and cleanup, a long history of cancers caused by radiation in the workplace and the environment. Some of what was there is STILL there because it can’t be made any safer any place else.

Clearly an absolute nightmare … and Fukushima is EASILY ten times as bad.

How bad is it?

If the world (Japan does not have enough experts on their own) spends tens of billions of dollars on research, we can develop the technologies to START to remediate Fukushima in 15 – 20 years – and then it will take another 20+ years of cleanup.

If you do some Googling of Fukushima, you may be surprised to discover a global consensus among the nuclear experts that Fukushima makes Chernobyl look laughably easy by comparison.

As for the “happy talk” above …

Remarkably, outside the immediate area of Fukushima, this is hardly a problem at all. Although the crippled nuclear reactors themselves still pose a danger, no one, including personnel who worked in the buildings, died fromradiation exposure. Most experts agree that future health risks from the released radiation, notably radioactive iodine-131 and cesiums-134 and – 137, are extremely small and likely to be undetectable.

.
It is very familiar to people who were involved with Fernald. They said all the same sort of reassuring things about it … until they couldn’t anymore.

Anyway, glad to hear they’re building a new plant. Japan just needs nuclear power. Fantasies of windmills and solar farms ain’t cuttin’ it.

5.1 20km ESE of Anza, California 2013-03-11 16:56:58 33.502°N 116.460°W 11.9
5.2 20km ESE of Anza, California 2013-03-11 16:56:05 33.498°N 116.462°W 0.1
5.2 20km ESE of Anza, California 2013-03-11 16:55:50 33.503°N 116.457°W 12.1
5.2 19km ESE of Anza, California 2013-03-11 16:55:42 33.506°N 116.476°W 0.1