Report: Bipartisan Senate group close to a deal on path to legal status for illegals
posted at 5:46 pm on March 11, 2013 by Allahpundit
I’m … not sure this is news. The chief objection from border hawks to the bipartisan plan announced in January was that it would grant probationary legal status to illegals on the first day, immediately upon passage. A path to citizenship would, if Rubio gets his way, be granted later after there have been measurable improvements to border security, but that’s a red herring. Citizenship for illegals is a fait accompli once legal status is granted; it’s purely a question of when. The mystery was whether he and Republicans would stick with that scheme, conditioning citizenship on better enforcement, or whether they’d wise up, take a tougher stance, and demand better enforcement before granting any legal status.
If the LAT is right, they caved. Illegals get probationary legal status right away, subject to the standard proposed requirements of paying a fine, having no criminal record, etc:
Eight senators who have spent weeks trying to write a bipartisan bill to overhaul immigration laws have privately agreed on the most contentious part of the draft — how to offer legal status to the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants.
According to aides familiar with the closed-door negotiations, the bill would require illegal immigrants to register with Homeland Security Department authorities, file federal income taxes for their time in America and pay a still-to-be-determined fine. They also must have a clean law enforcement record.
Once granted probationary legal status, immigrants would be allowed to work but would be barred from receiving federal public benefits, including food stamps, family cash assistance, Medicaid and unemployment insurance…
Still undecided is how long illegal immigrants would need to wait before they could apply for permanent resident status and eventually become citizens. The delay for a green card probably would be 10 years or longer, the aides said.
Per Conn Carroll, it’s amazing that after two months of media heavy breathing about the “Gang of Eight” and their big bipartisan compromise on comprehensive reform, this is the only major issue they’ve actually agreed on so far. Nothing yet on border security, nothing yet on guest workers, nothing yet even on citizenship and how long it’ll take. The singular point of agreement is how quickly illegals get legal status. Result: Pretty darned quickly. Mickey Kaus has a post today wondering if comprehensive reform can stand up to intense scrutiny if/when the Senate finally takes it up as its top priority. I actually agree with Carroll in thinking we’ll never reach that point, at least not with the Gang of Eight bill as a starting baseline. If it takes 10 weeks to agree on probationary legal status, how long will it take for a truly difficult issue like visas?
I do agree with Kaus, though, that Obama sincerely wants to pass immigration reform in the next two years. There’s a theory that O would rather sabotage the Gang of Eight, watch negotiations fall apart, and then demagogue the hell out of the GOP in hopes of getting Latinos to turn out en masse next year and hand the House back to the Democrats. Then he can pass immigration reform, and a whole lot more, with his new Democratic Congress. Two problems with that. One: Obama wants to share “credit” with Republicans on immigration if possible because, for the GOP, “credit” is more likely to turn into blame. If a bipartisan bill passes, the Democrats get most of the credit with Latinos because it’ll be a Democratic president whose administration produced reform. Meanwhile, pro-reform Republicans will have to deal with a backlash among their base, which means GOP infighting and, maybe, some opportunities for Dems to claim that Republican voters are hostile to Latinos notwithstanding congressional Republicans’ support for the bill. If, by contrast, comprehensive reform passes through a Congress controlled by Democrats in 2015, the backlash among border hawks falls squarely on the Dems in 2016. Essentially, he needs the GOP on this so that they can serve as a lightning rod.
Two: There’s no compelling reason to think Democrats can retake the House next year even if comprehensive reform collapses this summer. Obama and OFA will try their hardest to use it to mobilize Latinos, but having yet another immigration failure happen on a Democratic president’s watch will complicate that. Plus, with so many House districts already safely red, the threat of a pro-amnesty backlash doing much damage is minimal. O might console himself with the thought that if he’s serious about passing something before he leaves office, he’s got a decent shot of doing that in 2015-16 even with the House still in Republican hands. The GOP will be eager to build some sort of goodwill with Latinos before the next presidential election; for just that reason, the conservative base will probably be more forgiving of a bad compromise two years from now than they are now. But that’s an awfully risky bet for Obama to make given changing political currents. If he wants to finally set those millions of illegals on the path to becoming Democratic voters, best to seize the semi-opportunity he has now with Marco Rubio as his point man.
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Not if the incumbents can have their challengers audited….
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viking01 on May 22, 2013 at 8:06 PM
Just wait until the GOP bails Obama out by passing amnesty… therefore depressing their base. (A good ruling on Fisher v Texas may soften the blow a little bit)
I quite honestly they(our Republicans) know this. Doing immigration reform from a position of weakness is pointless.
ninjapirate on May 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM
For the first time in my life, I am proud of 0bama, and his reliability to go too far.
cozmo on May 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Amnesty means I vote against the perp whoever he is, even if I have to write in Rush Limbaugh’s name.
txhsmom on May 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM
As multiple scandals unfold in the Obama administration, Congressional Democrats must decide between:
1) Standing for open, honest, transparent, accountable government, or
2) Protecting this pResident, his administration, and his culture of corruption.
They really can’t have it both ways. They either stand up and say that the Benghazi, IRS, DOJ, etc. scandals are worth investigating and exposing the truth, or the Congress member will be seen as complicit with the culture of corruption.
Trying to shield this administration now could very well spell the end of the Congress member’s political career.
I think many Democrats will care more about their own careers than about taking one for team Obama.
ITguy on May 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Make it happen!
Bob's Kid on May 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Forecasting elections this far out is like trying to pick next year’s final NFL standings.
myiq2xu on May 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM
I’m not so sure Conservatives are forgetting about amnesty, and that the Pubs sitting in Congress now have much wiggle room. If anything and speaking for myself, they better not blow it in any way on any issues. They’re more under a microscope now, I think, because we don’t trust the RINOs. If the Pubs want to keep whatever remains of the Conservatives, they better do right while they have the chance.
We WILL help primary many of them out of the running, and they can’t count on our votes any longer like they used to. The Party heads better also realize we’re not going to be ignored like Rove and McCain want and still vote for their chosen candidates.
The Pubs don’t necessarily have to lose seats. But they can expect a fight so that many in those seats now are kicked out during primaries.
I live in a bluer-than-blue state, so I have no Republican to contact. But if I did, and he botched the investigations or votes for amnesty, I’ll sit home Election Day 2014. Having a Dem replacing a RINO is no different to me than keeping the RINO.
The Pubs need to be very careful here. We Conservatives are watching everything close as we can.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM
Only the GOP could possibly manage to screw this up – and give Obama his legacy – with an amnesty deal.
aquaviva on May 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM
Exactly.
You think this IRS scandal is a bad as it can get? You’re crazy. If people don’t go to jail it’ll be the good ol days. This will look like a teen slumber party compared to what they’ll be doing a couple years from now.
JellyToast on May 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM
This is what primaries are for. That is how Ted Cruz beat out Dewhurst in the Texas primaries; people were afraid that Dewhurst was a squish. If they pass shamnesty, then it will be open season on RINOs in red states as well as Dems in purple states.
bitsy on May 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM
Wow…the above analysis is quite a tormented Hamster Habitat sort of thing. May as well consult the writings of Paracelsus and get the tea leafs out. LOL
Maybe, just maybe if these scandals aren’t allowed to die on the desks of the various “press” organizations, then there may be something to all this.
But, I tend to think that most voters either haven’t heard about all this, don’t want to pay attention, or are simply shrugging it off. After all, these scandals may stick to Obama and seeing how this is (I hope) his last term, he can be allowed to take a PR-popularity contest hit without it trickling down to the Democratic Party as a whole.
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM
LoL
bitsy on May 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM
“Green shoots!!”
What sort of idiot would be optimistic about the economic future? Interest rates will have to return to normal eventually – and they will blow by normal, then, and run right up to 1970s levels and worse. For those who are too young or just don’t remember, the prime rate hit 21% in the 70s.
The real estate market is currently being kept afloat by the unnaturally low interest rates. A house that is worth $300,000 at a 3.5% mortgage is only worth about $175,000 at a 7% mortgage and when mortgage rates go double digit that house won’t be worth much of anything. This is an expensive illusion we have around us at this point. It isn’t permanent and will crumble some time in the near future. Who the heck would be optimistic about anything related to this?
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 22, 2013 at 8:29 PM
What are the primary deadlines in the six states? I personally welcome a primary to my senator Cornyn and will gladly vote against him.
txmomof6 on May 22, 2013 at 8:30 PM
It’s early, way early. And the GOP likely made 2014 an impossible hurdle when they threw away easy wins last year in Missouri, Indiana, North Dakota.
Winning a net of 3 seats in 2014 would have been easy. Winning a net of 6 is a much different task.
matthew8787 on May 22, 2013 at 8:30 PM
It’s not pointless. The GOP wants to commit political suicide. That is the point. They’re dying to be dead. This new move to represent illegals and all non-citizens at the expense of America and the American citizenry is an intentional move on the GOP leadership’s part to finish the political sepuku that they pursued from 2006-2008.
As for me, I’ve been a solid GOP vote for decades but I’m done with them, now. 2012 was it. The last time. I wish the GOP a swift and complete death as soon as possible so that a party which will actually represent America, and not the American Socialist Superstate which is property of the world, can be given a chance.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 22, 2013 at 8:33 PM
If Renee Ellmers runs against Key Hagan, Hagan is burnt toast. She’s toast either way, but burnt toast would be the best kind for that low-life, Schumer undergrad.
SouthernGent on May 22, 2013 at 8:34 PM
In light of recent events I wonder if those red state democrats are reconsidering their amnesty vote. Those retiring will probably vote yes, but maybe not the others. If 4 vote against the bill then Reid needs 9 Republicans to vote in favor to reach 60.
Wigglesworth on May 22, 2013 at 8:37 PM
Even when they’re a minority part and don’t control the White House, they still get invited to parties, meet rich and famous people, get feted by lobbyists and scratch more than enough backs to make sure their nests are feathered should they get voted out or retire.
It’s only we that think in terms of winning and losing. Professional politicians always win regardless of what the ballots say. The only ones I can really stomach are some of the House GOP Reps…same thing back in the ’90s under Slick.
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 22, 2013 at 8:39 PM
Don’t worry – the Senate GOP will screw it up so bad, Dingy Harry gets his 61 (and more importantly, a quorum of Democrats before they judge the returns of the 2016 elections).
Steve Eggleston on May 22, 2013 at 8:40 PM
November 2014 is a long time from now. Much can happen between now and then. By this time next year ObamaCare will make millions of people very unhappy and a lot of them unemployed. Come November, someone will be held responsible for that.
And of course there’s always the unpredictable events that change the course of politics.
Curtiss on May 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM
Scandalmania needs to be dealt with in full, but if amnesty passes then I am done with the GOP. I won’t get stabbed in the back again. I will vote in primaries against the incumbent and write in a candidate in the general election. If I am really angry I may vote for the dem as a big F U to Republicans.
Wigglesworth on May 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM
Nothing a few truckloads of lost military and conservative distirict votes can’t solve. Add in dead, multiple, illegal aliens and felons and it’s a super majority for the dems.
acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Quiz of the day:
Which word does not fit?
Alabama Infidel on May 22, 2013 at 8:53 PM
in any case Hagan is gone …. she is trying to act like a republican
and that is pissing off her base … and no one on the right believes her….
conservative tarheel on May 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM
I expect The One to follow his hard-hat, con-boss Chicago instincts. Meaning, he will double down, probably demanding the passage. I expect him to start barnstorming the country again, as he did for Manchin-Toomey, except with even more vicious attacks on anyone he defines as an opponent.
It’s all he knows. He is utterly convinced of his own perfection, and that the ends justify the means. The end in this case being the utter destruction of not just the GOP, but anyone who would ever dare to oppose his worldview. He would see nothing wrong with making the Democratic Party the only legal one in the United States- Independents please note.
And millions of “undocumented voters” are what he expects to replace unions as the base of that party’s power. Meaning, voters beholden to him, personally, and his minions, not a union boss who may or may not be trustworthy (i.e., stay bought).
If “immigration reform” fails, look for him to spend the rest of his term, or maybe the rest of his life, getting payback. Not all of it even close to legal.
After all, the First Commandment in Chicago is, “Thou shalt not f**k with the Boss”.
What this means is that he will very likely do even more to punish, marginalize, and ultimately destroy his opponents in the short term. He knows by now he can’t “get a deal” which would pass the House, and he also must know that whether the LSM likes it or not, the STASI-like tactics of the IRS & Co. have created a scandal that “has legs” in Flyover Country.
By now I assume at least one Democrat in the DC headshed has summoned up the nerve to tell His Oneness that this sheep-screw will almost certainly cost them control of the Senate in ’14. Meaning, at best he can expect to rule by EO after that. At worst- Richard Nixon revivimus, if more “inconvenient truths” about Benghazi, IRS, etc., can’t be kept quiet.
I expect him to task his “brain trust” (Jarrett, etc.) with damage control in DC, while he gets on with “cementing Democratic power for eternity”. (Yes, I believe this man thinks in such terms.) Look for lots of speeches- in between golf dates, naturally.
Just don’t look for him to moderate his behavior. Or anything else. And considering his “adverse reaction” to losing on M-T, if he loses on immigration, or the scandals, look for him to lose it, period.
That would be people openly defying his divinity. And his ego just won’t tolerate it.
clear ether
eon
eon on May 22, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Voting for amnesty will mean a whole passel of challenges in the GOP primary. Challengers might not win, but the challenge will extract blood and treasure from the incumbents, making them vulnerable in the general election.
Besides, what will it matter if the government is corrupt if the government gives the country away???
CJ on May 22, 2013 at 9:10 PM
Que the Alaskan chillbilly. Time for her to sacrifice again and go up against Begich. Easy for me to say…
Based on recent polling, she would win. All of the states that are senate toss ups, would include a great deal of like minded conservatives as well as those that fear the IRS. She would have a megaphone and the potential to HELP carry the other toss up states if the candidates are at all decent.
Oh, and a Paul, Cruz, Walker, Jindhal grouping on top for ’16, if we get there. I left off Palin on the top ticket for ’16 for fear of flaring gills.
CTSherman on May 22, 2013 at 9:14 PM
You touch on an interesting thought. Polling is one thing, but to at least some degree, coat tails are another. I keep hearing that people “Like” Bambi, hence the positive polls, yet not so happy with how he acts, also reflected in some polls. I think that may mean, as you mention, that the down ticket pols may have no choice but to at least distance themselves.
JusDreamin on May 22, 2013 at 9:14 PM
I wouldn’t get too excited about the possibility of taking the Senate. The reelection rate in the Senate has been north of 90% forever. Once elected, it’s pretty much a life time appointment. Might as well be a Royal family. Even when you have a well-funded decent guy running again the dirt-bag incumbent, like in McCain’s last race, it’s a bridge too far.
Alabama Infidel on May 22, 2013 at 9:18 PM
I happened 2010, it’s going to happen again.
CTSherman on May 22, 2013 at 9:19 PM
I agree. She may be trying to act “moderate” now, but she voted for Obama’s agenda down-the-line. Stimulus, Obamacare . . . her votes were never even in doubt.
TarheelBen on May 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM
Is it not amazing how these D’s vote Obama’s agenda each time and then come election campaign time want him no where around. Idiotic voters.
hillsoftx on May 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM
Mary Landrieu (D- Harrah’s Casino New Orleans) pretty much has depended upon that city’s corrupt politics and courts (also see: Daddy Moon Landrieu former mayor and “judge” in New Orleans and brother Mitch Landrieu, current mayor of New Orleans.)
Most of that state has changed politically with Gov. Bobby Jindal being a prime example.
The James O’Keefe success necessitating a crooked judge to make him the scapegoat (and destroy O’Keefe’s video evidence) hasn’t been forgotten by those outside NOLA.
I tried to call Sen. Landrieu’s office again for comment but her phone line, as has been the case for several years now, was busy, as usual.
viking01 on May 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM
Find a way to hit the emotional pressure points of our LIVs while demoralizing and disillusioning theirs. Do what Romney wouldn’t: go negative. Hard and unrelenting. Make it nasty, make it multiple. Make it about Obama and the Left. Make it about the Democratic Party.
SAMinVA on May 22, 2013 at 9:44 PM
Jeff Flake better be prepared for the major BLOW BACK he is going to receive from Arizona – he does not have the gravitas to survive like McCain has … and good riddance – we need a real conservative to represent us.
cdtaxlady on May 22, 2013 at 9:47 PM
I’m with you txmom. I don’t know if you’ve been tracking the state legislature, but I’ve been encouraging Steve Toth to primary Cornyn. Toth is a solid conservative and wouldn’t let us down. I know him personally. I want Cornyn gone so bad I can taste it.
texasmagnolia on May 22, 2013 at 9:53 PM
Here is a handy list of the U.S. Senators who are up for re-election in 2014.
Check to see if your Senator is running for re-election and then find out who is running against him/her.
Early support from Voluteeers and Donors will be the key to Republicans winning a Senate majority in 2014.
wren on May 22, 2013 at 9:55 PM
Surely the Republicans should be able to find a candidate who can defeat Senator Al Franken in Minnesota, right? Right?
Come on Minnesota! Please do not return Al Franken to the Senate in 2014!
wren on May 22, 2013 at 9:57 PM
Last November was the Republicans best chance to take back the Senate and they didn’t. One has to wonder how much the hiding of these scandals had to play into the total election strategy of the Democrats. I find it really difficult to believe there were no strategy meetings where these things came up. The fact is they were known about, not so much by the voters, but the Democrat political establishment had to know.
If those scandals coming out now cost them the Senate, I’ll also be surprised. This is, in reality, the perfect time for them to come out because they have over a year to overcome them, especially if they get a special prosecutor involved. A special prosecutor will drag these things beyond the election and the Democrats could easily say, “Well I certainly am against this but we still don’t know all the details yet so, until the special prosecutor makes his findings known I can’t comment on it.
I wouldn’t put it past the Democrats to do something like this so, don’t be counting those chickens just yet.
bflat879 on May 22, 2013 at 9:57 PM
Maybe if we all wish real hard. . .
flataffect on May 22, 2013 at 10:16 PM
Thanks, Interesting list.
I could see MT, IA, SD, and WV changing from D to R with their Dem incumbents retiring. There is a good bit of resentment over The One’s antics, and now IRS etc., in those areas. So that could be four pickups right there.
I could also see Graham being primaried in SC, which would be about the same thing as another R pickup.
Two more D to R switches, and The One has the same situation GWB had in his last two years; a Congress controlled by the other party.
The difference is of course that R’s lack D fanaticism. Of the “Judge Dredd Futzie” school. (“I want to Establish World Peace, Free All The Umpty Candies, and KILL EVERYBODY!!!”)
Even if the Senate changes hands, look for the assaults on the Constitution, and common sense, to continue. At least until more of the RINOs get “gerrymandered” by Old Father Time.
Yes, it is generational. The younger Republicans are more rational than the present power structure, and less willing to be the “junior partners” in making the world safe for socialism. Which is why the old dogs will fight tooth and nail to keep them out of power within the party. Just as the old mutts in the Democratic party are doing, even though their pups are at least as devoted to their dogmas as they are.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the new slogan in the younger set isn’t “Two Terms and Go Home”. And the old lags won’t take that sitting down, either.
clear ether
eon
eon on May 22, 2013 at 11:14 PM
I have to wonder if Obama and Holder have something on these RINOs. What other reason would there be for ANY repub to even consider much less be fully on board for amnesty in the middle of this economic mess? There is zero chance that these millions of illegals will vote R. They want the government cheese as much as the Dems do. What is the reason for this idiocy? If the Repubs pass this Im done with the GOP and so help me G-d I will work hard to help form the conservative party. Even if Dems are in power for the next 20 years while we are building this party up. The GOP will be a permanent minority. McCain, Graham, Rubio are you listening?
neyney on May 22, 2013 at 11:59 PM
How about we primary the heck out of the swishes, then get huge turnout to vote out the dem?
Vince on May 23, 2013 at 12:32 AM
Nobody is accounting for vote fraud, which is like doubling the Democrat vote.
I know that here in Colorado Udall is a lock for reelection. Not because he is worth a bucket of warm spit, but because the Colorado Republican party will find somebody that the Republican base hates and force him/her onto the ballot.
Add to that the new election laws just passed by the Democrat legislature and signed by the Democrat governor, making all elections mail in and allowing election day registration; and there will not be an honest election in Colorado ever again.
Subotai Bahadur on May 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM
Must kill 8 Gangster Amnesty. That simple.
DaMav on May 23, 2013 at 1:25 AM
NO AMNESTY.
Any republican who votes for this bill should be voted out of office.
TX-96 on May 23, 2013 at 6:11 AM
Gonna be tough to put together good campaigns when your donors and bundlers are running scared from the IRS.
And no, I don’t expect that to improve meaningfully, regardless of the current kabuki drama. The criminality is too deeply entrenched in the NTEU drones that populate the civil service; a few losses, even arrests, at the top won’t change that quickly or meaningfully enough.
bofh on May 23, 2013 at 8:20 AM
Can you imagine Dems “backing off” because no one was interested in Watergate? Working people are hustling to make a living etc. to worry about politicians coming and goings.
Herb on May 23, 2013 at 9:11 AM
Here is a litmus test for ANY seat in the Senate MUST include the canidates stand toward REPEALING OBAMACARE. Immediately BEFORE the friggin’ bureacracy created by OBAMACARE gets its fangs into the blood of the government exchequer. Once that happens the leach will live forever. And our health care system will sink into oblivion.
At that point, Michael Moore will share his wonderful experience with the Cuban medical health care system with America.
Missilengr on May 23, 2013 at 12:53 PM
I have written Minnesota off already…must be something in the water that makes them goofy and sends them to Wisconsin for weekends (I94 is 95% SodaCracker plates on any given day and they can’t all be involved in running drugs to/from Chicago). So I fear you are stuck with Franken (maybe the traffic is them running ballots from Chicago where they already have enough Dem voters)?
teejk on May 23, 2013 at 5:52 PM