Q-poll: Catholic voters are leading US to same-sex marriage

posted at 12:31 pm on March 10, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Don’t look at me — I was the one arguing that the state should get out of the marriage business entirely, and that the only true state interest in marriage, from a secular point of view at least, is enforcing paternal responsibility, which has no connection to same-sex relationships.  This latest poll from Quinnipiac only surprises me to the extent that Catholic voters seem to be ahead of the general population in redefining the legal definition of marriage while still identifying as Catholic:

American voter support for same-sex marriage is inching up and now stands at 47 – 43 percent, including 54 – 38 percent among Catholic voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

This compares to a 48 – 46 percent statistical tie among all voters on same-sex marriage December 5 and reverses the 55 – 36 percent opposition in a July, 2008, survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. …

“Catholic voters are leading American voters toward support for same-sex marriage,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. “Among all voters, there is almost no gender gap, but a big age gap. Voters 18 to 34 years old support same sex marriage 62 – 30 percent; voters 35 to 54 years old are divided 48 – 45 percent and voters over 55 are opposed 50 – 39 percent.["]

This seems surprising for two reasons. First, as a rule, the Catholic voting bloc doesn’t truly lead much anymore. They tend to just reflect the current status quo of the general electorate. This kind of gap from the topline finding is unusual, and perhaps speaks to the demographics of self-identifying Catholics in the US — more centralized in urban areas, trending younger, but perhaps more culturally and ethnically identified than practicing.  Only 31% in this sample attend Mass every week, and another 12% “almost” every week.  By contrast, 39% either “never” attend Mass or only attend a few times a year, with 18% only attending “once or twice a month.”

The other surprise is the significant majority presented in this poll that is willing to let the state redefine what is a sacrament in the religion with which these voters are affiliated.  It’s certainly intellectually possible to separate the church function in marriage from the state function, and a good number of decent and well-intentioned members of my faith make that argument.  Unfortunately, in the real world, those functions have been linked, and it’s not too difficult to see what will happen in the future if the state redefines marriage.  Eventually, a refusal to perform these unions will result in state sanctions and potentially the end of the ability of the church to perform one of its core sacramental duties; the HHS contraception mandate shows the demands popular culture will make on those of faith, and the penalties for refusal.

Also, not to hammer the point unnecessarily, but marriage in the Catholic faith is not a utilitarian tool for worldly pleasure.  It’s a mirror of the internal life of the Trinity, which like its progenitor creates life and operates on both a material and spiritual plane to help us attain the holiness that will eventually (we certainly hope) bring us into that Trinitarian presence for eternity.  That’s why it’s considered a sacrament, and why the Church teaches that marriages have to be open to new life in order to operate in a fully sacramental way — which, by the way, is the reason that the next Pope isn’t going to bless same-sex marriage or contraception, no matter how much the media wants it.  Now, secular voters aren’t required to believe this, but one might think that Catholic voters would.  The question of whether they have been taught this by their churches is certainly open to debate, however.

Yesterday I met author Christopher Ferrara, who wrote a provocative book called Liberty, the God That Failed: Policing the Sacred and Constructing the Myths of the Secular State, from Locke to Obama, which explores some of these issues. Chris is also president and chief counsel of the American Catholic Lawyers Association, which takes the cases of Catholics facing legal action for living their faith in the world, especially focused on pro-life issues.  Chris and I discussed these issues yesterday at the media center here at the Vatican:

I may catch up with Chris later to discuss more of the issues facing this conclave and the Catholic Church in the US.

Update, 3/11: The Catholic League responded yesterday by questioning Quinnipiac’s methodology:

‘Leaving aside the not insignificant fact that the sample size of Catholics was a mere 497, with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percent, there is something so bizarre—that would be the kind word—about a much more problematic methodological issue: Quinnipiac asked Catholic voters 14 questions on issues of interest to them, and on all but one the survey disaggregated the answers on the basis of church attendance. The one exception was on same-sex marriage.

In other words, we know how Catholics think on issues ranging from celibacy to whether the new pope should come from the U.S. or not; we also know how they split on these subjects on the basis of church attendance. But all we know about the issue that is receiving top billing in the media—gay marriage—is the aggregate figure.

This takes on added significance when we consider that 4 in 10 of the Catholics sampled do not practice their religion (28 percent go to church “a few times a year” and 11 percent say they “never” attend). That these nominal Catholics are precisely the biggest fans of gay marriage is a sure bet, though the poll fails to disclose the results.

The Quinnipiac Polling Institute has some explaining to do.’

Via reader Karla.

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triple on March 11, 2013 at 12:54 PM

He was killed by another black man, moron.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/28/gay-murder-mississippi-politics/1953187/

kingsjester on March 11, 2013 at 1:04 PM

You know you’re basically like the taliban, but you have no excuse because you have access to schools and the internet. At least they can claim ignorance.

kings: the case is still under dispute, but do you honestly think it’d be hard for me to find another case where a gay person was killed because of their sexual orientation?

Oh, turns out it’s not hard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:11 PM

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:11 PM

As you ignorantly post, a black man lays facedown on Hollywood street in Memphis. Murder happens.

Homosexuality is not a race. It is a sexual preference. Marriage means one man and one woman and the majority of states in this country have voted against “gay marriage”.

Christians are not killing Homosexuals. Go to the Middle East and tell the closest ayatollah that you are gay. See what happens next.

Your argument is very weak, bordering on delusional.

kingsjester on March 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Homosexuality is not a race. It is a sexua lpreference.

Right, homosexuality is not a choice! Let me just ask you a question, then.

If you truly believe it’s a choice, then logically you must be attracted to both sexes, correct? To make a choice.. one must be able to choose.. obviously.

But if you aren’t attracted to both sexes, then how can you say it’s a choice?

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Your argument is very weak, bordering on delusional.

To be fair, you think there’s an invisible man in the sky, so I take your accusations of being “delusional” with that in mind.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:23 PM

You know you’re basically like the taliban, but you have no excuse because you have access to schools and the internet. At least they can claim ignorance.

kings: the case is still under dispute, but do you honestly think it’d be hard for me to find another case where a gay person was killed because of their sexual orientation?

Oh, turns out it’s not hard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Again, so NO ghey kill Christian.. I think Mary Stachowicz would have something to say about that if she were alive. And NO gheys kill straights because they hate straight… Have a feeling Eileen Wournos victims would have something to say about that if they were alive. And the majority of your GLBT violence comes from your own community in the form of domestic violence…

http://www.lambda.org/DV_background.htm

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 1:24 PM

My own community? I’m straight, idiot. I’m even engaged. I just don’t hate random groups of people because they’re different.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Is there some third gender I’m not aware of, blink? I thought I did.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:30 PM

My own community? I’m straight, idiot. I’m even engaged. I just don’t hate random groups of people because they’re different.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Yeah you do.. You make an assumption that “all southern baptist” hate gays. You make the assumption that any opponents of gay marriage must hate gays. And I could care less if are gay/straight or bent. You are just as bigoted and prejudice as you claim others are.. So little man or woman- get off your crap colored pedastal mmkay?

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 1:31 PM

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Considering, according to Gallup, 92% of Americans believe in God, you’re overstating your case, Skippy.

kingsjester on March 11, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Does this mean that you’ve finally agreed to support True Marriage Equality?

blink on March 11, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Triple is oblivious Blink. He/She doesn’t see their own bias. Claims not to hate “people” but then makes broad bases assumptions about a huge group of people they don’t know. Apparently only two “gender” combinations can get married in Triple’s world. Doesn’t even realize that in the sexual reality that hetero/homo pairings are not the only form of love out there that wishes to be recognized by the state. Your point is lost on Trip..

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 1:34 PM

You make the assumption that any opponents of gay marriage must hate gays.

Well, that’s like making the assumption that people who are against giving black people the vote might possibly be racist. You think?

Considering, according to Gallup, 92% of Americans believe in God

Yeah, so? And 0% of them have any evidence of god’s existence. Widespread belief doesn’t make anything true, that’s basic logic.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:36 PM

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Bwahahahahaha! Everyone is wrong, but you. Classic.

There is none so blind, as he who will not see.

Wow.

kingsjester on March 11, 2013 at 1:40 PM

“Everyone” used to believe in Zeus, too. And the following:

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Coyote , Cripple Boy , Crow , Crow Woman , Cum hau, Cunawabi , Dagwanoenyent , Dahdahwat , Daldal , Deohako, Dhol , Diyin dine , Djien , Djigonasee , Dohkwibuhch , Dzalarhons , Dzalarhons, Eagentci , Eagle , Earth Shaman , Eeyeekalduk , Ehecatl, Ehlaumel , Eithinoha , Ekchuah, Enumclaw , Eototo, Esaugetuh Emissee , Esceheman, Eschetewuarha, Estanatlehi , Estasanatlehi , Estsanatlehi, Evaki, Evening Star, Ewah , Ewauna, Face , Faces of the Forests , False Faces , Famine , Fastachee , Fire Dogs , First Creator , First Man and First Woman, First Scolder , Flint Man , Flood , Flower Woman , Foot Stuck Child , Ga’an, Ga-gaah , Gahe, Galokwudzuwis , Gaoh, Gawaunduk, Geezhigo-Quae, Gendenwitha, Genetaska, Ghanan, Gitche Manitou, Glispa, Glooskap , Gluscabi , Gluskab , Gluskap, Godasiyo, Gohone , Great Seahouse, Greenmantle , Gucumatz, Gukumatz, Gunnodoyak, Gyhldeptis, Ha Wen Neyu , Hacauitz , Hacha’kyum, Hagondes , Hahgwehdiyu , Hamatsa , Hamedicu, Hanghepi Wi, Hantceiitehi , Haokah , Hastseoltoi, Hastshehogan , He’mask.as , Hen, Heyoka , Hiawatha , Hino, Hisakitaimisi, Hokhokw , Hotoru, Huehuecoyotl, Huehueteotl, Huitaca , Huitzilopochtli, Huixtocihuatl, Hummingbird, Hun hunahpu, Hun Pic Tok, Hunab Ku, Hunahpu Utiu, Hunahpu, Hunahpu-Gutch, Hunhau, Hurakan, Iatiku And Nautsiti, Ich-kanava , Ictinike , Idliragijenget , Idlirvirisong, Igaluk , Ignirtoq , Ikanam , Iktomi , Ilamatecuhtli, Illapa, Ilyap’a, i’noGo tied , Inti, Inua , Ioskeha , Ipalnemohuani, Isakakate, Ishigaq , Isitoq , Issitoq , Ite , Itzamn, Itzananohk`u, Itzlacoliuhque, Itzli, Itzpapalotl, Ix Chebel Yax, Ixbalanque, Ixchel, Ixchup, Ixmucane, Ixpiyacoc, Ixtab, Ixtlilton, Ixtubtin, Ixzaluoh, Iya , Iyatiku , Iztaccihuatl, Iztacmixcohuatl, Jaguar Night, Jaguar Quitze, Jogah , Kaakwha , Kabun , Kabun , Kachinas, Kadlu , Ka-Ha-Si , Ka-Ha-Si , Kaik , Kaiti , Kan, Kana’ti and Selu , Kanati, Kan-u-Uayeyab, Kan-xib-yui, Kapoonis , Katsinas, Keelut , Ketchimanetowa, Ketq Skwaye, Kianto, Kigatilik , Kilya, K’in, Kinich Ahau, Kinich Kakmo, Kishelemukong , Kisin, Kitcki Manitou, Kmukamch , Kokopelli , Ko’lok , Kukulcan, Kushapatshikan , Kutni , Kutya’I , Kwakwakalanooksiwae , Kwatee , Kwekwaxa’we , Kwikumat , Kyoi , Lagua , Land Otter People , Lawalawa , Logobola , Loha, Lone Man , Long Nose , Loon , Loon Medicine , Loon Woman , Loo-wit, Macaw Woman, Macuilxochitl, Maho Peneta, Mahucutah, Makenaima , Malesk , Malina , Malinalxochi, Malsum, Malsumis , Mam, Mama Cocha, Man in moon , Manabozho , Manetuwak , Mani’to, Manitou , Mannegishi , Manu, Masaya, Masewi , Master of Life , Master Of Winds, Matshishkapeu , Mavutsinim , Mayahuel, Medeoulin , Mekala , Menahka, Meteinuwak , Metztli, Mexitl, Michabo, Mictecacihuatl, Mictlan, Mictlantecuhtli, Mikchich , Mikumwesu , Mitnal, Mixcoatl, Mongwi Kachinum , Morning Star, Motho and Mungo , Mulac, Muut , Muyingwa , Nacon, Nagenatzani, Nagi Tanka , Nagual, Nahual, Nakaw, Nanabojo, Nanabozho , Nanabush, Nanahuatzin, Nanautzin, Nanih Waiya, Nankil’slas , Nanook , Naum, Negafook , Nerrivik , Nesaru, Nianque , Nishanu , Nohochacyum, Nokomis, Nootaikok , North Star, Nujalik , Nukatem , Nunne Chaha , Ocasta, Ockabewis, Odzihozo , Ohtas , Oklatabashih, Old Man , Olelbis, Omacatl, Omecihuatl, Ometecuhtli, Onatha , One Tail of Clear Hair , Oonawieh Unggi , Opochtli, Oshadagea, Owl Woman , Pah , Pah, Paiowa, Pakrokitat , Pana , Patecatl, Pautiwa, Paynal, Pemtemweha , Piasa , Pikvhahirak , Pinga , Pomola , Pot-tilter , Prairie Falcon , Ptehehincalasanwin , Pukkeenegak , Qaholom, Qakma, Qiqirn , Quaoar , Quetzalcoatl, Qumu , Quootis-hooi, Rabbit, Ragno, Raven, Raw Gums , Rukko, Sagamores , Sagapgia , Sanopi , Saynday , Sedna, Selu, Shakuru, Sharkura, Shilup Chito Osh, Shrimp house, Sila , Sint Holo , Sio humis, Sisiutl , Skan , Snallygaster , Sosondowah , South Star, Spider Woman , Sta-au , Stonecoats , Sun, Sungrey , Ta Tanka , Tabaldak , Taime , Taiowa , Talocan, Tans , Taqwus , Tarhuhyiawahku, Tarquiup Inua , Tate , Tawa, Tawiscara, Ta’xet , Tcisaki , Tecciztecatl, Tekkeitserktock, Tekkeitsertok , Telmekic , Teoyaomqui, Tepeu, Tepeyollotl, Teteoinnan, Tezcatlipoca, Thobadestchin, Thoume’, Thunder , Thunder Bird , Tieholtsodi, Tihtipihin , Tirawa , Tirawa Atius, Tlacolotl, Tlahuixcalpantecuhtli, Tlaloc, Tlaltecuhtli, Tlauixcalpantecuhtli, Tlazolteotl, Tohil, Tokpela , Tonantzin , Tonatiuh, To’nenile, Tonenili , Tootega , Torngasak, Torngasoak , Trickster/Transformer , True jaguar, Tsentsa, Tsichtinako, Tsohanoai Tsonoqwa , Tsul ‘Kalu , Tulugaak , Tumas , Tunkan ingan, Turquoise Boy , Twin Thunder Boys, Txamsem , Tzakol, Tzitzimime, Uazzale , Uchtsiti, Ud , Uentshukumishiteu , Ueuecoyotl, Ugly Way , Ugni , Uhepono , Uitzilopochtli, Ukat , Underwater Panthers , Unhcegila , Unipkaat , Unk, Unktomi , Untunktahe , Urcaguary, Utea , Uwashil , Vassagijik , Voltan, Wabosso , Wabun , Wachabe, Wah-Kah-Nee, Wakan , Wakanda , Wakan-Tanka, Wakinyan , Wan niomi , Wanagi , Wananikwe , Watavinewa , Water babies , Waukheon , We-gyet , Wemicus , Wendigo , Wentshukumishiteu , White Buffalo Woman, Whope , Wi , Wicahmunga , Wihmunga , Windigo, Winonah, Wisagatcak , Wisagatcak, Wishpoosh , Wiyot , Wovoka , Wuya , Xaman Ek, Xelas , Xibalba, Xilonen, Xipe Totec, Xiuhcoatl, Xiuhtecuhtli, Xiuhtecutli, Xmucane, Xochipili , Xochiquetzal, Xocotl, Xolotl, Xpiyacoc, Xpuch And Xtah, Yacatecuhtli, Yaluk, Yanauluha , Ya-o-gah , Yeba Ka, Yebaad, Yehl , Yeitso, Yiacatecuhtli, Yolkai Estsan, Yoskeha , Yum Kaax, Yuwipi , Zaramama, Zipaltonal, Zotz, Aegir, Aesir, Alfrigg, Audumbla, Aurgelmir, Balder, Berchta, Bergelmir, Bor, Bragi, Brisings, Buri, Etin, Fenris, Forseti, Frey, Freyja, Frigga, Gefion, Gerda, Gode, Gymir, Harke, Heimdall, Hel, Hermod, Hodur, Holda, Holle, Honir, Hymir, Idun, Jormungandr, Ljolsalfs, Loki, Magni, Mimir, Mistarblindi, Muspel, Nanna, Nanni, Nerthus, Njord, Norns, Odin, Perchta, Ran, Rig, Segyn, Sif, Skadi, Skirnir, Skuld, Sleipnir, Surt, Svadilfari, tanngniotr, tanngrisnr, Thiassi, Thor, Thrud, Thrudgelmir, Thrym, Thurs, Tyr, Uller, Urd, Vali, Vali, Valkyries, Vanir, Ve, Verdandi, Vidar, Wode, Ymir Abeguwo, Abere, Adaro, Afekan, Ai Tupua’i, ‘Aiaru, Ala Muki, Alalahe, Alii Menehune, Aluluei, Aruaka, Asin, Atanea, Audjal, Aumakua, Babamik, Bakoa, Barong, Batara Kala, Buring Une, Darago, Dayang-Raca, De Ai, Dogai, Enda Semangko, Faumea, Giriputri, Goga, Haumea, Hiiaka’, Hina, Hine, Hoa-Tapu, ‘Imoa, Io, Kanaloa, Kanaloa, Kane, Kapo, Kava, Konori, Ku, Kuhuluhulumanu, Kuklikimoku, Kukoae, Ku’ula, Laka, Laulaati, Lono, Mahiuki, MakeMake, Marruni, Maru, Maui, Melu, Menehune, Moeuhane, MOO-LAU, Ndauthina, Ne Te-reere, Nevinbimbaau, Ngendei, Nobu, Oro, Ove, Paka’a, Papa, Pele, Quat, Rangi, Rati, Rati-mbati-ndua, Ratu-Mai-Mbula, Rua, Ruahatu, Saning Sri, Ta’aroa, Taaroa, Tamakaia, Tane, Tanemahuta, Tangaroa, Tawhaki, Tiki, Tinirau, Tu, Tuli, Turi-a-faumea, Uira, Ukupanipo, Ulupoka, Umboko Indra, Vanuatu, Wahini-Hal, Walutahanga, Wari-Ma-Te-Takere, Whaitiri, Whatu, Wigan, Abaangui, Aclla, Akewa, Asima Si, Atoja, Auchimalgen, Axomama, Bachu, Beru, Bochica, Boiuna, Calounger, Catequil, Cavillaca, Ceiuci, Chasca, Chie, Cocomama, Gaumansuri, Huitaca, Iae, Ilyap’a, Ina, Inti, Ituana, Jamaina , Jandira, Jarina, Jubbu-jang-sangne, Ka-ata-killa, Kilya, Kuat, Kun, Luandinha, Lupi, Mama Allpa, Mama Quilla, Mamacocha, Manco Capac, Maret-Jikky, Maretkhmakniam, Mariana, Oshossi, Pachamac, Pachamama, Perimb, Rainha Barba, Si, Supai, Toptine, Viracocha, Yemanja (Imanje), Zume Topana.

But don’t worry. I’m sure your god is the correct one.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Well, that’s like making the assumption that people who are against giving black people the vote might possibly be racist. You think?

And you call me an idiot? Let’s take your example.. So if I am against licensing incestuos marriage- I hate siblings? If I am against licensing Church business; I hate Christians? I can’t possible have a political position without hating the person the politics effects right?

Furthermore, black is an inherent trait. It is genetic, proven to be genetic. In fact, if your bones are found years later, an anthropologist could probably recognize your race and not your sexual orientation. They would probably assume hetero, because our species is PREDISPOSED TO THAT. You can walk into a bar and cannot hide you are gay. If you go to court, you can prove you are black. Gay is SUBJECTIVE. You are gay because you say you are gay. You are not black because you say you are black. Black is OBJECTIVE. Gay and black are quite different. And when gays can’t vote- get back to me mmkay.

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Why are you being coy? Just tell me.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:47 PM

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Oh look, the 12 year old can cut and paste.

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Tell you what, useless. I’ll believe in the God of Abraham and Isaac, who sent His only son to suffer and die for me, and you believe in your “messiah”, ouan incompetent, insufferable, anti-American dhimmi, who is the worst president in American Hisory.

It is a fool who builds his house on shifting sands.

kingsjester on March 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

“Oh look, I can justify my beliefs not on their merits, but because a lot of people agree with me.”

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:49 PM

So you admit that you OPPOSE true marriage equality because of your HATRED for people that want equal marital rights.

I believe this probably makes sense to you

And I believe that you believe that you’re making some thoughtful point about our society

…but you’re not

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

“Oh look, I can justify my beliefs not on their merits, but because a lot of people agree with me.”

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:49 PM

You are such an obtuse bigot. You don’t even know what my religious beliefs are, because I have never said. In fact, ALL of my post have been devoid of religion.. Keep living in your bubble world Triple.

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Triple,

Homosexuality may or may not be a choice. There is no scientific, biological proof that it is not a choice.

However, heterosexuality, using your logic is not a choice either, right?

So, a heterosexual male, who is married, cheating on his wife, is that ok? Morally acceptable? Hmmmm…. Most wives will say no. But poor heterosexual male, he can’t help it but sleep with women! Darn wife denying him his sexuality, who he is! NOT!!!

Sexual behavior IS a choice. Who I sleep with, who I have sex with IS a choice.

The color of my skin, not a choice. I was born with a certain color on my skin, Who my parents are? I can’t control. what nation I was born in? I can’t control.

Who I have sex with, who I sleep with, I can control.

Behavior is in no way shape or form the same as skin color. It is beyond ridiculous to compare sexual behavior to something no human being can control, the color of our skin.

Or are you saying that homosexuals are sex crazed animals who are incapable of controlling their sexual urges and desires? Why do the militant pro-homosexuals constantly claim, with the defenses they use for homosexual sex, that homosexuals are like dogs, cats, mouse, animals that can’t control who they have sex with?

Why do the militant pro-homosexuals have such little respect for homosexuals by claiming that homosexuals can’t help who they have sex with?

Cats can’t control their sexual urges, dogs can’t control their sexual urges, mice can’t control their sexual urges. But call me crazy, I hold heterosexuals and homosexuals to a much higher standard than I hold a cat, dog, mouse. I hold heterosexual and homosexual HUMAN BEINGS to the standards of humanity, not of the animal kingdom.

If we can’t control who we are attracted to, then how can anyone claim that pedophilia is abnormal, and a crime? Right? Using your logic, Triple, poor pedophiles, they can’t help the fact that they are acted to children. Who are we to deny them this, right? Using your logic? yes, right!!

Cpt. Kirk on March 11, 2013 at 1:53 PM

triple, feel free to tell us what moral standards you want to force on everyone using the force of law.

The problem isn’t having moral standards in our society, for instance it’s probably a bad idea to walk around naked in a playground. That’s morally not okay.

The problem is you guys confuse religion and morality.

And the bigger problem is you’re taking moral advice from a book which tells you how to treat your slaves. The bible isn’t exactly the moral pillar of our society, there’s some screwed up stuff in there.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Why do so many christians care if gays get married? In the highly unlikely event that “God” exists, he’ll get the gays when they die and everlasting torment shall be theirs. If you actually believe in “God”, then let him worry about it.

hatecraft on March 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Triple,

Where is your evidence, hardcore, tangible evidence that there is no God?

In fact, where is your scientific, hardcore, tangible evidence of what happens to a human being after we die?

You are basing your simplistic atheist believes on one thing, blind faith. The Blind Faith that after we die, that is it, POOF! we are gone from existence. Or can you provide everyone here with hardcore, tangible proof of what happens after we die?

No atheist can prove with 100% certainty that God does not exist. No atheist can prove with 100% certainty what happens to human beings after we die.

You put your faith on the believe that there is no God.

Cpt. Kirk on March 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Kirk, first of all, how dare you use that name. I know for a fact bill shatner is extremely lgbt-friendly, not to mention sulu.

You’re a wart on all of trek-dom.

Second, your post assumes homosexuality is wrong.

Choice, not a choice.. who cares? It’s fine with me either way.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Triple,

Where is your evidence, hardcore, tangible evidence that there is no God

Because I am god.

You can’t prove I’m not!

triple on March 11, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Triple,

It is not morally ok to walk around naked in a playground. Fine, for you and me. But why impose this on those who will believe that it is morally ok to walk around in a park naked?

Who are you to impose your morality on anyone else?

Do you believe in moral absolutes?

and Triple, you obviously have never read the Bible and are basing what you are saying on what others or a website have told you what it says. And of course, you are interpreting the Bible as you wish or as you have been told it must be interpreted.

Cpt. Kirk on March 11, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Why do so many christians care if gays get married? In the highly unlikely event that “God” exists, he’ll get the gays when they die and everlasting torment shall be theirs. If you actually believe in “God”, then let him worry about it.

hatecraft on March 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Same reason the leftist element sues in court to overturn the will of the people in California despite civil unions being completely equal.. They want the word marriage to push an even greater agenda which is already seen in lawsuits, legislation, and Massachusetts school system newest edict. It isn’t just about gay marriage. It is about using “equality” as a bat to hurt everyone who “hates” them and are “bigots” namely the Christian population. Christians and some us who aren’t so Christian can see the writing on the wall.

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Triple,

Just read your ridiculous statements and hateful, bigoted rants. They are at best at a first grader intellectual level.

and…

choice, not a choice? eh? No, you claimed that because homosexuals are born that way, that they can’t help they are homosexuals, they should be allowed to marry. Using YOUR logic, not what I believe is Right or Wrong, but YOUR logic, pedophiles should be allowed to marry their prey, heterosexuals cheaters should be allowed to marry all the individuals they cheat with, why? Because they were born that way.

Cpt. Kirk on March 11, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Good Lt on March 11, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Not sure if you can read – always looked at the Declaration and the Constitution as those two documents – one says where they come from (which I quoted – couldn’t make it any easier for you) and one which after defining how our govt is to be run espouses (initially) on those ten rights (or groups of same) that are god given or that govt cannot take away.

If you don’t have the mental agility to figure that out on your own perhaps that is the problem.

Zomcon JEM on March 11, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Because I am god.

You can’t prove I’m not!

triple on March 11, 2013 at 2:02 PM

I’m kinda thinking that God would capitalize his own name, but that’s just me..

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Kirk, first of all, how dare you use that name. I know for a fact bill shatner is extremely lgbt-friendly, not to mention sulu.

You’re a wart on all of trek-dom.

Second, your post assumes homosexuality is wrong.

Choice, not a choice.. who cares? It’s fine with me either way.

triple on March 11, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Maybe his name is legitimately Cpt. Kirk. My husband served with two different Cpt. Kirk-s when we were stationed in Germany..

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I enjoy morality arguments with people who make it up as they go.

Here is my favorite.

I believe I should be able to kill whomever I want. ANyone trying to stop me is immoral.

Checkmate.

Zomcon JEM on March 11, 2013 at 2:14 PM

I’m with you guys on not forcing churches to recognize/perform same sex marriages. That’s the one thing upon which just about every religion agrees…homosexuality is a big no no. But as far as equality in things such as tax codes and the like, I am ok with that.

hatecraft on March 11, 2013 at 2:17 PM

I enjoy morality arguments with people who make it up as they go.

Here is my favorite.

I believe I should be able to kill whomever I want. ANyone trying to stop me is immoral.

Checkmate.

Zomcon JEM on March 11, 2013 at 2:14 PM

ZOMG– Thou shalt not murder is in the Bible as well.. Whelp that must be thrown out of the law books… the whole sep. of Church and State ya know//

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 2:17 PM

I’m with you guys on not forcing churches to recognize/perform same sex marriages. That’s the one thing upon which just about every religion agrees…homosexuality is a big no no. But as far as equality in things such as tax codes and the like, I am ok with that.

hatecraft on March 11, 2013 at 2:17 PM

And there are a lot of people who agree with you. I know people like Jetboy just really want to get married. There is no bigger agenda there. Then there are people like Dan Savage, and it scares the bejebbees out of me, because I know that there is a larger agenda at play..

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 2:19 PM

I know – especially if the killing provides me immense personal fulfillment and happiness. I must be allowed my happiness. To deny it to me would be immoral.

Zomcon JEM on March 11, 2013 at 2:20 PM

You know – wasn’t really thinking about this when I typed it or when I have argued about it in the past – isn’t abortion kind of that already?

Zomcon JEM on March 11, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Zomcon,

You make your point well! That is what people who believe in moral relativism do not understand. If morality is relative, if people can make up their own morality, and we must treat everyone equally, who are we to stop anyone who believes murder is moral? who are we to stop anyone who believes stealing is moral?

and there are people out there who honestly believe that killing a human being is not an immoral act, so it is not that far fetched! and then we have to ask, why stop a murderer from murdering if he/she holds the personal held morality that murdering is not immoral. If she believes that it is a good thing for society to murder someone else.

But what you show is the logical conclusion to moral relativism and EXACTLY what has happened in nations where moral relativism becomes the norm.

And here is the saddest part of individuals like Tripple. They are clueless to the FACT, which can be backed up with historical documents, that their arguments against Christianity and for atheism are no different than the arguments presented by the Nazis before and during WWII.

Pick up the book and watch the movie Sophie Scholl. It is a historically based movie/book and the argument used by the Nazis, which the words are verbatim what they used against Sophie Scholl as documented by the Nazis, is a mirror image of the arguments used by atheists today.

I did a thesis on the horrors of the Nazis against Jews and Christians. The Nazis jailed, put in concentration camps and murdered countless of lay Christians as well priests, nuns, protestant ministers along with the millions of Jews they slaughtered. Many a Nazi, believing that they were smarter than the religious person that they were about to execute, debated religion while defending atheism before killing the protestant minister, nun, priest or lay Christian. You can find countless of historical documents based on these debates. When you read these, you see that the Nazis arguments against Christianity and for atheism is no different than what we here from today’s atheist.

Oh and of course, the Nazi ranks, specially the brutal SS was full, full of homosexuals. These are historical facts that the atheist, militant-pro-homosexuals love to ignore or white wash.

Cpt. Kirk on March 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I think so.

avagreen on March 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

blink – the problem is in the definition of superiority and the methods to make that case. Typically it comes by way of force – as in Cpt. Kirk’s comments above.

I can have any morality if I am willing to force its acceptance. The difficulty in stripping away morality from religion, is that religion is grounded to something greater than oneself. Granted, I can come up with many situations of religious instiutions failing the morality test – religions are run by men, who are week.

Is it perfect, nope. But in trying to adhere to a higher calling, it provides some hope. And even our current red-headed step child of a religion known as Islam, has many redeeming qualities that are consistent with the Judeo-Christian tradition. That they still have a significant minority of their adherants who think killing is the way to go just shows that even in religion, the call to morality is fraught with difficulty.

Nothing makes me more fearful than the “morality” of the secular humanist. His morality is based upon how the wind is blowing and how mnay people disagree with him. Hitler was a product of that environment.

Zomcon JEM on March 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Don’t look at me — I was the one arguing that the state should get out of the marriage business entirely, and that the only true state interest in marriage, from a secular point of view at least, is enforcing paternal responsibility, which has no connection to same-sex relationships.

That’s all well and good, but who enforces their marriage contract when hubby and wife won’t agree to split their property? And should it be decided according to standard contract law or family law?

And if the “traditional marriage” dynamic was about children and enforcing “paternal responsibility” as you assert, and that doesn’t apply to gays, then why o why are they after the legal recognition of marriage? Why not just exchange rings and vows under a tree, throw rice and consider YOURSELVES married? Why do any of us have to know, care or support it?

Saltyron on March 11, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Doesn’t surprise me about Los Catholicos , those Idol worshippers.

conservador on March 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Hah! You obviously haven’t stepped inside a Catholic church for the last 50 years. You’ll be happy to know we’ve pretty much gone Protestant. All our beautiful traditions have been tossed aside like so much dead lumber. It’s now a happy-go-lucky tambourine fest with the occasional hippy Peace Love Hope monologue.

pauljc on March 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM

@pauljc – I thought I was the only one that was disgruntled. Seems there are 2 of us that liked our quiet services – which now have been changed AGAIN in the wording. 40 years of memorization….for what?

athenadelphi on March 11, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Hey Ed,
The best Pope would be one that would make it crystal clear NO GAY MARRIAGE for anyone calling themselves catholic. Put it in the Homilies! Instead of Liberation theology creeping in again. Those 4 out of 10? They be gone. They wouldn’t be able to handle hearing 1 man 1 woman = marriage on the russian roulette times they go if its preached each time!

athenadelphi on March 11, 2013 at 3:56 PM

The recognition of the Christian God is how the U.S. started.

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Wrong. It started with a rebellion against the Crown. That early colonists were Christian does not and never has made this a “Christian country”.

chumpThreads on March 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM

That’s not what I meant. I suppose I can accept the blame for failing the test of “clarity.”
The cause of the creation of the United States was indeed rebellion against the British Crown.
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It is the “original status quo”. It was done without demanding that citizens believe in the Christian God, or go to Church, or even belong to a Church.

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Wrong again! The original status quo would have been established by the native peoples who were already living here when the colonists arrived. Christians didn’t establish a religious status quo on this continent; they preempted the status quo already in place.

chumpThreads on March 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Your response here, isn’t even trying to be “genuine.”
Everything I said was regarding the beginning of the United States. NOT the beginning of the “continent.”

That’s the sort of answer a smart-assed school student gives, when trying to embarrass the teacher, and make everyone else laugh.
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The “recognition of God” was in the laws, as regards standards of morality. Standards of “right and wrong”.

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Wrong yet again! Congrats, you’re three-for-three in one post.

The basis of our laws is established in a secular document, the Constitution.

It is the responsibility of government to provide the means for people to worship freely, not to “recognize” one deity over another.

chumpThreads on March 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM

When the U.S. began, there absolutely were laws on the books prohibiting ‘adultery’, ‘bestiality’, and ‘homosexuality’. There were probably even laws prohibiting ‘fornication’.

None of those laws came from The Constitution, and ALL of them carried a penalty/sentence imposed by the local Judiciary.
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I’m crediting you with getting one out of three right, due to my “failure of clarity” with the first sentence.

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Because I am god.

You can’t prove I’m not!

triple on March 11, 2013 at 2:02 PM

I’m kinda thinking that God would capitalize his own name, but that’s just me..

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 2:11 PM

*snicker*

Triple lives in the Hell of his own making alone worshiping himself.

workingclass artist on March 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

triple on March 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM

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That is one “comprehensive” list !
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Jesus is the last one standing.

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 4:34 PM

I’m with you guys on not forcing churches to recognize/perform same sex marriages. That’s the one thing upon which just about every religion agrees…homosexuality is a big no no.

hatecraft on March 11, 2013 at 2:17 PM

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A lot of atheists think so, too.

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The abnormality of homosexuality IS “self evident.”

That statement doesn’t constitute “hate” towards homosexuals.

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Triple,

Where is your evidence, hardcore, tangible evidence that there is no God?

You can’t prove a negative.

In fact, where is your scientific, hardcore, tangible evidence of what happens to a human being after we die?

The physical decomposition of a human body has been pretty well documented.

You are basing your simplistic atheist believes on one thing, blind faith. The Blind Faith that after we die, that is it, POOF! we are gone from existence. Or can you provide everyone here with hardcore, tangible proof of what happens after we die?

You’re missing the target of the skeptic’s challenge. The fact that you can’t prove what you believe doesn’t mean someone who challenges you has conclusive proof the reverse is false, just that you believe something without any evidence.

No atheist can prove with 100% certainty that God does not exist.

Again, you’re asking someone to prove a negative. And again, not believing something there is no evidence for does not mean you have concrete proof to the contrary.

No atheist can prove with 100% certainty what happens to human beings after we die.

See above, and it’s still beside the point.

You put your faith on the believe that there is no God.

Cpt. Kirk on March 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

alchemist19 on March 11, 2013 at 5:49 PM

ZOMG– Thou shalt not murder is in the Bible as well.. Whelp that must be thrown out of the law books… the whole sep. of Church and State ya know//

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Has anyone actually made such a claim or are you just killing strawmen?

alchemist19 on March 11, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Has anyone actually made such a claim or are you just killing strawmen?

alchemist19 on March 11, 2013 at 5:54 PM

I was being snarky..so lighten up Francis.. But yes, it is a round about sarcastic snark about the claims that anything that comes from the Bible is invalid because it comes from the Bible. And if you are looking for such claims, I refer you to several of Triple’s threads.

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I was just asking a question, no accusations intended so I can’t really lighten up. And trust me, when/if I decide to get heavy you’ll know it. ;-)

For the record, if triple has claimed such a thing it’s wrong. Saying something is automatically invalid just because it comes from the Bible is just as incorrect as saying something is automatically valid because it comes from the Bible.

alchemist19 on March 11, 2013 at 7:36 PM

I was just asking a question, no accusations intended so I can’t really lighten up. And trust me, when/if I decide to get heavy you’ll know it. ;-)

Sorry in a snarky mood today. Maybe I need to be Francis. :)

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM

I was just asking a question, no accusations intended so I can’t really lighten up. And trust me, when/if I decide to get heavy you’ll know it. ;-)

alchemist19 on March 11, 2013 at 7:36 PM

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Sorry in a snarky mood today. Maybe I need to be Francis. :)

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM

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You know what this world needs? It needs for everyone to be as perfect as I am. If everyone were as perfect as me, we would all just “get along”, and the world would be a better place! : )
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .WHAT ? !

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 8:13 PM

You know what this world needs? It needs for everyone to be as perfect as I am. If everyone were as perfect as me, we would all just “get along”, and the world would be a better place! : )
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .WHAT ? !

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Rodney King is that you? :)

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Sorry in a snarky mood today. Maybe I need to be Francis. :)

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM

It’s Hot Gas’s every-other-day gay marriage thread. Snark comes with the territory. lol

alchemist19 on March 11, 2013 at 8:53 PM

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 8:13 PM

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Rodney King is that you? :)

melle1228 on March 11, 2013 at 8:17 PM

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Yes . . . . . . you’ve caught me … dang it !

I faked my own death, and been hidin’ out on these blogs ever since.
Now I’ve gotta get me a whole ‘nother new ID … ding dang darn dang ding darn darn dang . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 9:38 PM

So, a heterosexual male, who is married, cheating on his wife, is that ok? Morally acceptable?

You do realize that cheaters had previously agreed not to cheat, they made a pledge via their marriage vows. To compare cheaters to gay people you would have to prove gay people vowed to not be gay or something. Its an insane argument.

libfreeordie on March 11, 2013 at 10:28 PM

You do realize that cheaters had previously agreed not to cheat, they made a pledge via their marriage vows. To compare cheaters to gay people you would have to prove gay people vowed to not be gay or something. Its an insane argument.

libfreeordie on March 11, 2013 at 10:28 PM

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HEY ! … It appears I agree with libfree’ !
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Damn . . . . . . . . . that means I’ve got to “second guess” myself, and rethink everything from here on . . . . . . . (expletive).

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Not surprised. It has appeared to me for a long time, that many Catholics, if not most, really dont even try to live according to their teachings. They are worldly people whom can’t be differentiated from most others, except some go to church occasionally or even weekly. They seem to believe they can live their lives anyway they want for the most part. They participate in all the other crap everyone else does, curse like sailors, etc. I think a large percentage are even okay with abortion

The point is, most are Catholic in name only and don’t even live their lives by Gods word, so no it doesn’t surprise me.

bucsox79 on March 12, 2013 at 6:16 AM

blink – well played!! And correct.

Zomcon JEM on March 12, 2013 at 8:32 AM

bucsox79 on March 12, 2013 at 6:16 AM

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That’s true of ALL denominations.

Most of the churches I experienced as a youth were really just “social clubs” under the guise of worshipping God.

listens2glenn on March 12, 2013 at 8:35 AM

HEY ! … It appears I agree with libfree’ !
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Damn . . . . . . . . . that means I’ve got to “second guess” myself, and rethink everything from here on . . . . . . . (expletive).

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 11:16 PM

He he If you agree with libfree, you had better go back and reevaluate your perfection. :)

melle1228 on March 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Newt Gingrich tried pandering to the same sex marriage loving Catholics by converting and look where he ended up. We are losing our country!

conservador on March 12, 2013 at 1:58 PM

listens2glenn on March 11, 2013 at 11:16 PM

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He he If you agree with libfree, you had better go back and reevaluate your perfection. : )

melle1228 on March 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM

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Wayyy ahead of you . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (expletive again).

listens2glenn on March 12, 2013 at 2:34 PM

libfreeordie,

Well, I guess we are going to differ. I know that regardless of the pledge made or not made, it is immoral to cheat in a marriage. Even if you don’t take a vow of not cheating, cheating would still be wrong.

The none cheating moral law is not based on the pledge taken or not taken.

Cheating is an inherit evil, regardless of whatever we humans may think. Regardless of whether a vow is taken or not.

Same thing with the act of homosexual sex. Homosexuals don’t need to take a pledge of not having homosexual sex. Homosexual sex, much like cheating, is an inherit evil.

Morality is not based upon vows taken or not taken. Morality is not based on the will of the people or on vows.

Cpt. Kirk on March 12, 2013 at 4:47 PM

alchemist,

You can’t prove a negative? You mean there is no mathematical proof for 2+(-3)= -1? Of course you can prove a negative.

We can prove what happens to our body after we die, but can you prove what happens to our conscious after we die? We are told, in fact, it is a scientific law, that neither matter nor energy can be created or destroyed, these simply turned into something else. We human beings produce energy, we are energy. I see what happens to our body, they decompose, but what happens to our energy? What happens too our conscious? Can you give us all 100% verifiable evidence of what happens to our conscious after we die?

and being a skeptic is VERY different from being an atheist. Atheist don’t claim to be skeptics, they claim to KNOW that there is no God. Agnostics are skeptics. I can respect a lot more an agnostics position than an atheist’s position. Atheist blindly believe that there is no God. Atheist have blind faith that there is not God.

You can’t be an atheist unless you have 100% proof that there is no God. There is no such proof, we wouldn’t be having this debate, would we now?

and I 100% agree with you when you say, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” Atheist should think about this fact when they make the claim that since there is no evidence for God, God does not exist. Thank you for making my point for me.

Just because there is not evidence of God, as claimed by atheist, does not mean that God does not exist.

Cpt. Kirk on March 12, 2013 at 4:59 PM

and being a skeptic is VERY different from being an atheist. Atheist don’t claim to be skeptics, they claim to KNOW that there is no God. Agnostics are skeptics. I can respect a lot more an agnostics position than an atheist’s position. Atheist blindly believe that there is no God. Atheist have blind faith that there is not God.

You can’t be an atheist unless you have 100% proof that there is no God. There is no such proof, we wouldn’t be having this debate, would we now?

Cpt. Kirk on March 12, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Funny how it cuts both ways, isn’t it?

I can’t prove 100% beyond all shadow of a doubt that God exists. Unfortunately for them, neither can atheists. Both require some measure of faith.

MelonCollie on March 15, 2013 at 12:23 PM

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