Afghan president now accusing US of collusion with Taliban

posted at 3:31 pm on March 10, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

It was only last month that we saw Afghanistan’s president, Hamid Karzai, ordering US troops out of a key area of his country. There’s clearly something going on with Karzai and his plans for the future, because now he’s claiming that we are somehow in league with the Taliban.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Sunday accused the Taliban and the U.S. of working in concert to convince Afghans that violence will worsen if most foreign troops leave — an allegation the top American commander in Afghanistan rejected as “categorically false.”

Karzai said two suicide bombings that killed 19 people on Saturday — one outside the Afghan Defense Ministry and the other near a police checkpoint in eastern Khost province — show the insurgent group is conducting attacks to help show that international forces will still be needed to keep the peace after their current combat mission ends in 2014.

We really don’t need to spend any time on the actual accusation being made here. The idea that the people who are actively trying to blow up our troops are doing so to give us cover to stay in the country longer is something straight out of a Stanley Kubrick film. The Taliban are attacking us because they will be quite happy to see the last of our troops leave so they can go back to running the country as they wish. (And frankly, at this point, I’ve already come to think they’re welcome to it.)

But what is Karzai up to? We don’t have any mind readers on staff, but a number of you readers have previously suggested that Hamid is simply setting the stage for his own exit and trying to lower the heat to the point where he can do so with his head still properly attached to his spine. I see little reason to doubt that this is part of his thinking, and little indication that there’s much more to it than that. As the CBS article points out, this isn’t really new behavior for him.

Karzai is known for making incendiary comments in his public speeches, a move that is often attributed to him trying to appeal to those who sympathize with the Taliban or as a way to gain leverage when he feels his international allies are ignoring his country’s sovereignty. In previous speeches, he has threatened to join the Taliban and called his NATO allies occupiers who want to plunder Afghanistan’s resources.

That’s some great propaganda in terms of politicking, but I suspect that it’s mostly falling on deaf ears. He’s been working hand in hand with the United States and our allies for some time now, and no amount of spin or dancing on the heads of pins is going to make the Taliban, their supporters or residual al Qaeda sympathizers forget about it. In fact, if things really go pear shaped toward the end, he might want to consider being a little nicer to us in case he needs a ride on the last chopper leaving Kabul.


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makes perfect sense!/

rob verdi on March 10, 2013 at 3:32 PM

…what’s JugEars going to do?
GOLF!

KOOLAID2 on March 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Karzai and his brother were, are, and will always be corrupt charlatanic Machiavellian thugs.

Schadenfreude on March 10, 2013 at 3:34 PM

The Left is so invested in having this generation’s Vietnam that I wouldn’t put it past Jug Ears and Ketchup Boy colluding with the Taliban.

Steve Eggleston on March 10, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Pull everyone out of there now. turn the whole area in a giant practice bombing range.

rbj on March 10, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Does this make Obama, as CIC, an enemy combatant, Mr. Holder?

profitsbeard on March 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Too many American lives wasted in that seventeenth century hel1hole and hopefully our nation building days are behind us. Leave them to their lawless squalor and never repeat that grave mistake. Bring everyone home tomorrow and leave nothing behind.

trs on March 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM

What this situation needs is more John Kerry. I hear he speaks French.

Fenris on March 10, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Afghan president now accusing US of collusion with Taliban

…well?…it is JugEars and his Jerks after all!

KOOLAID2 on March 10, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Democracy forced onto a culture hundreds of years old will never work it’s failing here in the USA. If you think for a New York minute we have Representatives in our government I have a few bridges to sell you.
The whole system is so corrupt that cleaning it up would be next to impossible. The USA is the golden goose that our enemies get their fiscal eggs from and hate our guts yet we pay them dearly.

mixplix on March 10, 2013 at 3:48 PM

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

The people of Afghanistan don’t want what we are offering. Neither do their leaders and there isn’t a thing we can do about that.

sharrukin on March 10, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Quagmire, quagmire, quagmire…

Oh. Wait. Obama’s 1st name ain’t George.

Never mind.

locomotivebreath1901 on March 10, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Karzai is not long for this world.

Curtiss on March 10, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Let’s Give them Another BILLION!

Bulletchaser on March 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM

They need to tell that idiot to screw off and get out of that cesspool . . . today.

rplat on March 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Karzai is not long for this world.

Curtiss on March 10, 2013 at 3:54 PM

…he’ll be living in LA with billions of dollars… and hosting fundraisers for a political party!

KOOLAID2 on March 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Sorry, Hamid, chopper’s full, try walking out. Good luck, ahole.

Bishop on March 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Time for an audit…

… Not only of the Billions wasted, but of all the arms, legs, and lives wasted on a war we were not permited to ‘win’.

Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM

This administration betrays the citizens its sworn to protect, big shock it betrays everyone else in the world, unless you’re a brutal dictator or an oppressive regime.

Speakup on March 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM

+100

bw222 on March 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM

The fundamental US policy in Afghanistan is flawed. The idea of self-determination is not necessarily useful as a one size fits all approach to troubled and sparsely populated wilderness regions of the world like Afghanistan. Colonization seems a more fitting and legitimate means to settle and civilize such wilderness regions.

If the US is going to expend enormous national resources, blood and treasure settling a territory, than the US should possess what it settles, and Afghanistan should be an unincorporated territory of the US no different than Guam or Puerto Rico.

Tripwhipper on March 10, 2013 at 4:31 PM

In fact, if things really go pear shaped toward the end, he might want to consider being a little nicer to us in case he needs a ride on the last chopper leaving Kabul.

And, if that happens, I hope some door gunner unceremoniously pushes him out as they lift. If he wants to be merciful, he can shoot him first.

Bring everyone home tomorrow and leave nothing behind.

trs on March 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Just to clarify, do you mean nothing we own? Or just nothing?

GWB on March 10, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Our generals and the Taliban both say that Islam is to be shown the highest level of respect. I see that as having a lot in common.

VorDaj on March 10, 2013 at 5:00 PM

I’m sure that Karzai has been watching Obama in action so, rather than accusing his fellow countrymen of things, he’ll settle for accusing the Americans on things. It doesn’t make any difference if they’re true or not, he’s seen Obama accuse a fellow candidate of things that were obviously not true and get away with it, not only in the election but also in the American press.

It’s pretty classic, if you ask me, and it’s a definite that, if Karzai plans to move to the U.S., the Democrats have a home for him in their party.

bflat879 on March 10, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Hamid is simply setting the stage for his own exit and trying to lower the heat to the point where he can do so with his head still properly attached to his spine.

Well he’s a lot more intelligence than our generals then as they don’t even have their brains properly attached to a clue.

VorDaj on March 10, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Our troops should have out of that hellhole and back home by the end of 2002. No frigging reason we should have been stuck in there for 12 years running now.

AngusMc on March 10, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Karzai and his brother were, are, and will always be corrupt charlatanic Machiavellian thugs.

Schadenfreude on March 10, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Our corrupt charlatanic generals, on the other hand, know nothing about Niccolo Machiavelli, nor Sun Tzu.

VorDaj on March 10, 2013 at 5:05 PM

If the US is going to expend enormous national resources, blood and treasure settling a territory, than the US should possess what it settles, and Afghanistan should be an unincorporated territory of the US no different than Guam or Puerto Rico.

Tripwhipper on March 10, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Every advanced nation that has tried it has been chewed up and spit out from Alexander to the Great to the British and the Soviets. Now Afghanistan is chewing us up. Time to bug out and give the Afghans the government they deserve.

AngusMc on March 10, 2013 at 5:06 PM

He’ll go out on a plastic covered gurney free of charge from his own peeps.

Limerick on March 10, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Time for an audit…

… Not only of the Billions wasted, but of all the arms, legs, and lives wasted on a war we were not permited to ‘win’.

Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM

And that belies the question of what would we have won if we had won?

VorDaj on March 10, 2013 at 5:10 PM

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

The people of Afghanistan don’t want what we are offering. Neither do their leaders and there isn’t a thing we can do about that.

sharrukin on March 10, 2013 at 3:48 PM

They don’t want truth, justice and the American way. Most Americans don’t either as demonstrated last November 6th.

VorDaj on March 10, 2013 at 5:14 PM

They don’t want truth, justice and the American way. Most Americans don’t either as demonstrated last November 6th.

VorDaj on March 10, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Can’t really argue that.

sharrukin on March 10, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Karzai is known for making incendiary comments in his public speeches, a move that is often attributed to him trying to appeal to those who sympathize with the Taliban or as a way to gain leverage when he feels his international allies are ignoring his country’s sovereignty. In previous speeches, he has threatened to join the Taliban and called his NATO allies occupiers who want to plunder Afghanistan’s resources.

Look, Karzai is without any core loyal support and has not a scintilla of warlord gravitas. Often he’s gotten on the wrong side of Afghanistan’s flow of events. So, he pretty much alone here. He also doesn’t seem very bright.

If you ignore his comments as being incendiary and consider them, rather, as survival positioning, they make a lot more sense.

Dusty on March 10, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Can’t really argue that.

sharrukin on March 10, 2013 at 5:16 PM

*sigh* Ditto

GWB on March 10, 2013 at 5:17 PM

The fundamental US policy in Afghanistan is flawed. The idea of self-determination is not necessarily useful as a one size fits all approach to troubled and sparsely populated wilderness regions of the world like Afghanistan. Colonization seems a more fitting and legitimate means to settle and civilize such wilderness regions.

Tripwhipper on March 10, 2013 at 4:31 PM

‘Colonization’ has been absolutely demonized by liberal dipwicks who get their history from watching Pocahontas. But it works. It’s how the USA was created.

MelonCollie on March 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM

AngusMc on March 10, 2013 at 5:06 PM

The US went into Afghanistan on the flawed basis of self-determination for the Afghans, not colonization. The lesson learned from this decade long waste of national treasure and flawed ROE’s is if we are to enter a lawless territory with our blood and treasure for an extended period, then we should do so on the basis of colonization, and settle and civilize the territories with Americans, and subdue or drive out the locals who oppose us with ruthless efficiency the way the US was settled. It is a messy business but in the long run a benefit for civilization.

Tripwhipper on March 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Oh sure, the Taliban and the U.S. just want to keep this going so we can continue to kill one another. This man must be using his brothers drugs. How long does he think he will live if the Taliban return to power?

hpk1942 on March 10, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Pull everyone out of there now. turn the whole area in a giant practice bombing range.

rbj on March 10, 2013 at 3:37 PM

If the poppy fields are to serve as the bombing range; that’s a win-win all around.

The US went into Afghanistan on the flawed basis of self-determination for the Afghans, not colonization. The lesson learned from this decade long waste of national treasure and flawed ROE’s is if we are to enter a lawless territory with our blood and treasure for an extended period, then we should do so on the basis of colonization, and settle and civilize the territories with Americans, and subdue or drive out the locals who oppose us with ruthless efficiency the way the US was settled. It is a messy business but in the long run a benefit for civilization.

Tripwhipper on March 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Yep, for all of the left’s whining about the US being bent on conquest and Empire, we sure don’t do it very well. We haven’t gotten any oil out of Iraq, we didn’t get the oil contracts to restore the Iraqi oil fields, and we haven’t gotten any minerals or anything else out of Afghanistan. Frankly, we should have just bombed it from the air and kept bombing it until they started playing nicely with the rest of the world. Afghanistan has very little to offer in terms of resources, so leave it to the locals and make sure they behave themselves relative to the rest of the world. If they want to worship a 6th century moon goddess, bag their women in black, and kill one another over cult worship methodology — leave them to it; however, as soon as they put one threatening foot into the civilized world, cut it off and any supporting structure behind it.

AZfederalist on March 10, 2013 at 6:45 PM

The only thing I’d think the US and the Taliban would ever agree on is Karzai is untrustworthy and should be dispatched.

Oh…

Limpet6 on March 10, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Pull all our troops out, then take out Karzai with a Hellfire missile.

Hilarity ensues.

Ward Cleaver on March 11, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Karzai should be made to eat that damn hat that he wears. I would like to know how much his family has skimmed off American aid and put in foreign bank accounts?

SC.Charlie on March 11, 2013 at 10:50 AM

We don’t really know what is happening behind the scenes. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Obummer were colluding with the Taliban. I read a couple of articles awhile back that said Obama was trying to make some kind of deal with the Taliban. Maybe it’s true.

sherrimae on March 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM