Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on March 9, 2013 by Allahpundit

Benjamin Wittes, a national security scholar at the Brookings Institution who has written extensively about drones, said he thought Mr. Paul’s marathon was a “dumb publicity stunt.” But he said it had touched a national nerve because the technology, with its myriad implications, had already deeply penetrated the culture…

“It’s not merely the black helicopter crowd of the folks on the far right,” said Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups. “What Rand Paul had to say about drones absolutely fired up conspiracy theorists on the left as well as the right.”…

At the same time, there are people like Everett Wilkinson, a Tea Party organizer and self-proclaimed conspiracy theorist in Florida, who is hailing Mr. Paul as a “rock star for the Constitution.” On Mr. Wilkinson’s Web site, Liberty.com, he warns that the United States government is building “internment camps” for political dissidents. He is wary of what comes next.

“First they said we are just going to use drones to observe stuff, and then they put Hellfire missiles on them,” Mr. Wilkinson said. “How soon are we going to have drones overhead with Tasers on them?”

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Last year, for the first time in decades, Republicans lost the advantage on foreign policy in a presidential campaign. Exit polls showed that voters trusted Barack Obama more than Mitt Romney to handle an international crisis (57 percent trusted Obama, 50 percent trusted Romney). And of the small number of voters who put foreign policy as their top issue, Obama won by a margin of 56 percent to 33 percent. Part of this, of course, is due to the incumbent’s advantage. But Republicans, following the setbacks in the Iraq War and Afghanistan, will have a tough job restoring their advantage on foreign policy and national security issues.

Their current actions aren’t helping. Senator Rand Paul has won accolades from many on the right for his “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” filibuster. But however impressive his stamina, we must not forget what he was protesting against–the use of drone strikes which, when directed overseas, are supported by 83 percent of Americans and when directed against American citizens overseas are supported by 65 percent

However, the administration is absolutely right to note that it has the right in extreme circumstances to use military force on American soil. If Rand Paul thinks otherwise, he should come out and explain his objections to Abraham Lincoln’s use of force to fight the Confederacy–or the use of troops to escort African-American kids to school in Little Rock in 1957.

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It was stunningly bad politics. McCain and Graham may pride themselves on being tough-minded realists when it comes to the war on militant Islamists, but to sneer at “libertarian kids” and mock Paul after his principled stand won’t get them anywhere in their goals of keeping the U.S. on a war footing.

Instead, it just told some of those folks who were intrigued by Paul’s stand that the Republican Party was not interested in having their support. A Republican captivated the country by doing something other than losing a fight with Obama, and McCain and Graham tried to undo it.

If the GOP is going to make it, it will need to attract, absorb and channel the growing energy of libertarianism, not just be foils for Barack Obama and his party of yes.

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I applaud Rand Paul for standing up and calling attention to an important and vexing set of questions.

Now, let me say to my conservative friends: Do not get too excited. I still believe Paul is as much a villain on civil rights as he was a hero this week on civil liberties…

[P]lease do not get me started on his votes against the Violence Against Women Act. Nor on his opposition to a woman’s right to make private medical decisions. Nor on his desire to cut Social Security and Medicare, while preserving tax loopholes for the wealthiest people ever born.

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The Rand Paul for President movement is of course already under way, and I wish it weren’t. Senator Paul’s filibuster is a great demonstration of what the Senate is for: putting the brakes on things, slowing things down, forcing debate and discussion. Rand Paul is a great deal more useful to the cause of liberty as a senator of growing stature than he would be as the Howard Dean of the 2016 GOP primary. An incumbent senator enjoys a measure of political safety, and he is free to challenge orthodoxies and push envelopes, which is precisely where Senator Paul is most valuable. A presidential candidate has less room to maneuver. Unhappily, the cult of the presidency has grown so inescapable that even those who should be most immune to its allure — Constitution-minded, small-government, libertarian types — immediately dream of placing their legislative champions in the all-powerful executive. We need conservative presidents, but we also need conservative senators, representatives, judges and justices, governors, mayors, and school-board presidents. “Let Reagan be Reagan,” they once said; if you want to let Rand be Rand, the Senate probably is the best place for that.

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Senators Paul and Cruz have suggested that the constitutional claim they’ve posited — viz., presidents are not empowered to kill Americans on American soil absent an imminent threat of violence — is “easy,” “clear,” and “obvious.” I respectfully disagree. It is none of those things. What is easy, clear, and obvious is that if we do not need certain troublesome authorities to fight a war successfully, Congress can withhold them…

Since 2004, courts have made themselves a part of the national-security equation to an unprecedented degree. When challenged to construe constitutional doctrines, they seek to impose logic. Senator Paul’s proposal of a Constitution-based no-lethal-force exception to the principle that an American who joins the enemy may be treated like the enemy is not logical.

To iron out the inconsistencies, the courts may well conclude that if Americans are not to be treated as enemy combatants for purposes of lethal force, they should not be treated as enemy combatants for purposes of capture, detention, interrogation, and military war-crimes trials. Furthermore, if they follow the trajectory of the Supreme Court’s 2008 Boumediene decision, courts may well conclude that any core constitutional protections extended to American citizens must also be extended to alien enemy combatants. That would be the end of the law-of-war approach to counterterrorism.

Is that Senator Paul’s objective? I do not know. Many of his libertarian supporters would welcome it. Most Americans would disagree, recognizing that the war paradigm has been instrumental in preventing a reprise of 9/11.

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Paul’s political genius strikes us as very much of the short-term variety. Will it ultimately serve him well to be the spokesman for the Code Pink faction of the Republican party? How much staying power is there in a political stance that requires waxing semihysterical about the imminent threat of Obama-ordered drone strikes against Americans sitting in cafés? And as for the other Republican senators who rushed to the floor to cheer Paul on, won’t they soon be entertaining second thoughts? Is patting Rand Paul on the back for his fearmongering a plausible path to the presidency for Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz? Is embracing kookiness a winning strategy for the Republican party? We doubt it…

Lipsky himself acknowledges that “it’s hard to see where Obama has run off the constitutional rails so far in the drone warfare.” And neither Lipsky, nor others who want to give Paul the benefit of the doubt, have explained why anyone should take seriously what David Frum calls Rand Paul’s “nightmare out of a dystopian future: an evil future president shooting a missile at an American having coffee in a neighborhood café, merely on suspicion, without any due process of law.” Such an act would be illegal and unconstitutional, and if a president gave such an order, it should not and would not be obeyed. Meanwhile, there are important questions about both the efficacy and safeguards of the real, existing drone program of the U.S. government. But precisely because such issues are complicated ones and require argument, not demagoguery, Paul went out of his way not to deal with them on the Senate floor…

Which brings us back to Shakespeare. It would of course be unfair to compare Rand Paul to Macbeth—unfair both to Paul’s lawfulness and to Macbeth’s greatness (of a kind). It would be unfair to compare conservative talk radio to Lady Macbeth, just because both recklessly egg on their heroes. But it’s true that a Republican party that follows the path of Rand Paul will end up as thoroughly defeated at the ballot box as Macbeth was routed on the battlefield of Dunsinane. And as deservedly so.

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let’s get the party started

Fred

jrsrigmvr on March 9, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Mother and Child

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM

lol wow this is a really early QOTD.

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM

what

Fred

jrsrigmvr on March 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM

If the choice is between Rand Paul or McCain, no contest, Rand wins. McCain is almost always picking the democrat side, so Paul is more than likely the one on the right side with that criteria alone.

AZfederalist on March 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Serenity In Senility

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Yeah, ok, I’m choosing McCain /sarc

McCain goes out of his way to antagonize Republicans to get press.

Flapjackmaka on March 9, 2013 at 8:08 PM

#standwithrand.
I don’t like getting in my knees like McCain and Graham.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Well done Bmore

I can’t pick my favorite :)

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Onward to Waterloo!!!!

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:09 PM

You have to give it to Rand Paul – he’s got everybody talking and talking about the Constitution, out of control Presidential power and whether or not Obama can be trusted.

This is the kind of debate we need to have.

McCain and Graham can go suck on a lemon.

gophergirl on March 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM

“Underworld” on the Tube, and QOTD on my monitor. The best of both worlds.

*clink*

Oh, and I long for the day when I can say “good riddance” to both Mr. McCain and Mr. Graham.

predator on March 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Serenity In Senility

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM

That would make a dynamite album cover–just need to match it with the right kind of band. Like Savoy Brown from days of old.

predator on March 9, 2013 at 8:11 PM

The Traitor. A real classic at this point.

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I choose the Rand Paul, Ted Cruz Side !

TX-96 on March 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Fred

jrsrigmvr on March 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM

You got it!

cozmo on March 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

McCain and Graham can go suck on a lemon.

gophergirl on March 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM

My sentiments exactly, except, well, I wasn’t thinking “lemon.”

predator on March 9, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Supper, no not at the White house. My supper, see you in a bit. Oh the White house supper does have a few additions.

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:13 PM

However, the administration is absolutely right to note that it has the right in extreme circumstances to use military force on American soil. If Rand Paul thinks otherwise, he should come out and explain his objections to Abraham Lincoln’s use of force to fight the Confederacy–or the use of troops to escort African-American kids to school in Little Rock in 1957.

Holy Straw Man batman! I am beginning to understand the term chickenhawk in a way I never did before.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 8:14 PM

I just finished reading many of the comments on the NYT link. So many people are missing the point of Sen. Paul’s filibuster. So many others still blame the evil BushCheney, and reflexively defend this CIC. There seems to be an inability to think outside party demagoguery.

lilredhen on March 9, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Benjamin Wittes, a national security scholar at the Brookings Institution who has written extensively about drones, said he thought Mr. Paul’s marathon was a “dumb publicity stunt.”

If a guy at the liberal Brookings Institution has this opinion, I’d say Paul’s filibuster was a success. Let’s remember that Sarah Palin was similarly derided when she talked about death panels but overnight she changed the discourse over Obamacare. Whatever Paul’s future fortunes, he planted a seed of distrust about this administration’s over-reach and for that he should be commended.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 8:18 PM

You have to give it to Rand Paul – he’s got everybody talking and talking about the Constitution, out of control Presidential power and whether or not Obama can be trusted.

This is the kind of debate we need to have.

McCain and Graham can go suck on a lemon.

gophergirl on March 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Exactly how I felt gg.

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I would say drone the old fart, but we sold harpoon him and take his daughter out too.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:19 PM

[gophergirl on March 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM]

Yes.

Dusty on March 9, 2013 at 8:19 PM

No clue how I hit the strike key!!! lol

Shouldn’t be trying to eat pizza and type at the same time huh :(

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Sold=should.
Everyone mat GE eating…sour gummy bears.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 8:18 PM

This.
+1

predator on March 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:18 PM

No clue how I hit the strike key!!! lol

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Clue #1

Caffeine…lots of it in coffee.

cozmo on March 9, 2013 at 8:22 PM

cozmo on March 9, 2013 at 8:22 PM

lol, can’t argue that cozmo!!

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:23 PM

“It’s not merely the black helicopter crowd of the folks on the far right,” said Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups. “What Rand Paul had to say about drones absolutely fired up conspiracy theorists on the left as well as the right.”…

The SPLC…talk about conspiracy groups! Those folks don’t have particularly good critical thinking skills at all.

onlineanalyst on March 9, 2013 at 8:24 PM

McCain and Graham can go suck on a lemon.

gophergirl on March 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM

My sentiments exactly, except, well, I wasn’t thinking “lemon.”

predator on March 9, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Neither would Graham, IMHO.

Punchenko on March 9, 2013 at 8:27 PM

If 50 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that embryos would be conceived in test-tubes, DNA would identify humans in a way fingerprints never could, and scientists would map the brain, all of them would have said such a person was “pixelated;” yet, here we are.

If 45 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that the government would be able to track citizens with electronic devices without a warrant, all of them would have said that such a person was “Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!” Yet, here we are.

If 40 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that public schools would monitor students’ activities outside of school furtively through disseminated laptops using remote access, all of them would have said, “Absolute rubbish!” Yet, here we are.

If 35 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that the Federal government would – without warrants – monitor the electronic communications of citizens and store copies of emails, tweets, and postings in massive storage banks in West Virginia and Utah, all of them would have done their best Hattie McDaniel eyeroll; yet, here we are.

If 30 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that Federal employees could access to the tax, financial, medical, educational and other records of every citizen without warrants and often in real-time, all of them would have screamed “Tinfoil hat alert!” Yet, here we are.

If 25 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that Federal employees would have used military equipment and opened fire on a compound with where dozens of innocent women and children were located, all of them would have said such a person was batshit crazy; yet, here we are.

If 20 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that Federal employees wearing snazzy uniforms would be going through the colonoscopy bags of 80 year-olds and feeling up toddlers before allowing them to board a plane, all of them would have said that such a person was stalk-raving mad; yet, here we are.

If 15 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that the Home Office and councils in the UK have been using drones to monitor fly-posting, fly-tipping, abandoned vehicles,abnormal loads, waste management in the UK, all of them would have said that such a person was a Mad Hatter; yet, here we are.

If 10 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that there would be 1 CCTV camera in the UK for every 32 people in 2011, all of them would have asked “What is she smoking?” Yet, here we are.

If 5 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that checked on whether employees, who had called in sick, were really at home or had just taken the day off to do other things, every single one of them would have said to “Drop the Kool-aid and step away from the crazy train!” Yet, here we are.

Is it really so crazy to ask of your government – a government that interned over 110,000 Japanese-Americans during World War II simply for the sin of having the national origin of one of its declared enemies and conducted secret syphilis tests on rural black men at the Tuskegee Institute in Alabama – this simple question:

“Can you kill me because you think that I ‘might’ be guilty of a crime or ‘may’ be planning to commit an act of terrorism on US soil in the imminent, but not immediate, future?”

If the government has the ability to kill Americans here or abroad because they ‘might’ do something, why is it a tinfoil question to ask “What ‘might’ the government do in the future?”

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups.

…these folks have been blind in the left eye for decades…when it comes to tracking… they can only find elephant tracks!

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Nice work!

KCB on March 9, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Well said RWM. (As usual.)

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Holy Straw Man batman! I am beginning to understand the term chickenhawk in a way I never did before.

[Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 8:14 PM]

I’m really disappointed in Boot. That ranks near the top of all the irrelevant ripostes to Rand’s position I’ve seen so far. Did Boot not even bother to watch ten minutes of the filibuster?

Dusty on March 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups.

…these folks have been blind in the left eye for decades…when it comes to tracking… they can only find elephant tracks!

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2013 at 8:29 PM

That little weasel needs to take a damn shower. I’m betting in the 60′s, they were spraying him with a firehose just to get the stench off.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Well said RWM. (As usual.)

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Second that!

KCB on March 9, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups.

Has he ever tried looking in a mirror?

predator on March 9, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Our establishment on full display folks.

There are a whole lot of churlish, petty insults and mischaracterizations of a rather simple question asked by Paul up there. I didn’t click on a single article as a result.

Is this really the intellectual response to what Paul had to say? It’s nearly impossible to distinguish the “conservatives” from Van Jones. No wonder McCain and Graham flubbed so badly. No wonder Obama was elected and then re-elected as President.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 8:33 PM

“Let Reagan be Reagan,” they once said; if you want to let Rand be Rand, the Senate probably is the best place for that.

NR is just awful these days. The folks in Washington and Manhattan — from Lowry to Podhoretz — need to come to reality now and understand their positions are unpopular, flawed, and extremist. The country is no longer with them.

Punchenko on March 9, 2013 at 8:34 PM

When those drones start flying just wear those bright T-shirts with the big letter “D” on the back and you’ll be just fine.

Don L on March 9, 2013 at 8:35 PM

I am thankful McCain and Graham shot their mouths off.
It’s a line in the sand.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 8:27 PM

It’s the mentality of the “it could never happen here” crowd. Yet it does, and will continue, as long as the GOP remains the GOPe instead of what it should be.

predator on March 9, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Mother and Child

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Quite the works there sir. You da man—-course we already gnu that.

arnold ziffel on March 9, 2013 at 8:36 PM

…these folks have been blind in the left eye for decades…when it comes to tracking… they can only find elephant tracks!

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Even when the find left-wing extremists, they label them as right-wing extremists, which is exactly how Malik Zulu Shabazz, the leader of the New Black Panther Party made SPLC’s 30 New Activists Heading Up the Radical Right list.

The New Black Panthers: A right-wing extremist group!

It would be hysterically funny if the MSM didn’t give the SPLC the time of day. The SPLC’s wolf cries about racism and “Patriot militia” groups will make the front page, but when some fanatic uses its hate maps, you’ll have to look for the story somewhere between “retractions” and “Christian Singles,” which means it will be so well-hidden, you might need spelunking gear.

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 8:36 PM

I am thankful McCain and Graham shot their mouths off.
It’s a line in the sand.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Good to see you back. Just the other day someone was looking for you.

arnold ziffel on March 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM

<blockquoteIt was stunningly bad politics. McCain and Graham may pride themselves on being tough-minded realists when it comes to the war on militant Islamists, but to sneer at “libertarian kids” and mock Paul after his principled stand won’t get them anywhere in their goals of keeping the U.S. on a war footing.

The big difference between the tea drinkers and liberals is that the drinkers will forever vote for the establishment candidates they b!tch about every day. Liberals on the other hand have done a very good job holding their candidates accountable hence the reason you hardly see them complain about their establishment candidates.

The republican elites will shove their preferred candidates down the throats of the tea partiers knowing the drinkers will crawl over broken glass to vote for them come election day. The good thing for this country is that these out of touch and mainly uneducated white conservatives are now becoming extinct.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Serenity In Senility

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM

… and Senator McCain has attained, and has created for himself serenity, and it is only his insanity that has kept him alive in his senility.

RasThavas on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

I am thankful McCain and Graham shot their mouths off.
It’s a line in the sand.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Good to see you back. Just the other day someone was looking for you.

arnold ziffel on March 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Thank you. AZ.
The rib eye special at the strip club has been keeping me busy. Everyone wants cheap food.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

It was stunningly bad politics. McCain and Graham may pride themselves on being tough-minded realists when it comes to the war on militant Islamists, but to sneer at “libertarian kids” and mock Paul after his principled stand won’t get them anywhere in their goals of keeping the U.S. on a war footing.

The big difference between the tea drinkers and liberals is that the drinkers will forever vote for the establishment candidates they b!tch about every day. Liberals on the other hand have done a very good job holding their candidates accountable hence the reason you hardly see them complain about their establishment candidates.

The republican elites will shove their preferred candidates down the throats of the tea partiers knowing the drinkers will crawl over broken glass to vote for them come election day. The good thing for this country is that these out of touch and mainly uneducated white conservatives are now becoming extinct.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

he planted a seed of distrust about this administration’s over-reach and for that he should be commended. Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 8:18 PM

If the government has the ability to kill Americans here or abroad because they ‘might’ do something, why is it a tinfoil question to ask “What ‘might’ the government do in the future?”
Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Excellent points! This regime has no scruples and no conscience.

indypat on March 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

LOL, when Ingraham said primate instead of primary.

Pretty much yah…

katy on March 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Jimmy Carter must be grinning ear to ear as he is no longer America’s greatest embarrassment. If he has any class at all, and if he hasn’t done so already, he will send John McCain a nice thank-you card, and not one of those cheap ones either.

I think the last time I threw a temper tantrum anywhere comparable to John McCain’s latest, I was going through what they called the terrible twos and I think that’s about the age I was at the time as a matter of fact.

VorDaj on March 9, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Thank you. AZ.
The rib eye special at the strip club has been keeping me busy. Everyone wants cheap food.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

lol, Are you the cook, entertainment or the customer?

arnold ziffel on March 9, 2013 at 8:42 PM

This whole thing makes me wonder if “Minority Report” was more about social conditioning than entertainment.

katy on March 9, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Andy McCarthy responds at intervals to the commenters at the NRO site of his commentary. He may be focusing too much of the AUMF and its role in defeating Islamists.

Obysmal and his foreign policy do not appear to identify what exactly they are trying to defeat and what it is we are fighting. Obysmal (and McCain) have done quite a bit of damage in enabling AlQaeda and other Islamist groups with their adventurism.

Big Sis Napolitano has a rather broad list of American enemies of state, too. Are we to depend on unaccountable federal figures to determine who gets snuffed out?

Are the drones surveilling the Muslim training camps in the Poconos and elsewhere? How about in Dearbornistan?

onlineanalyst on March 9, 2013 at 8:43 PM

The big difference between the tea drinkers and liberals is that the drinkers will forever vote for the establishment candidates they b!tch about every day. Liberals on the other hand have done a very good job holding their candidates accountable hence the reason you hardly see them complain about their establishment candidates.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM

This literally made me laugh out loud. You libs pick your candidates based on ball to mouth ratio.
Holding your candidates accountable……why don’t you hold that liberal in the WH accountable since he is the worst president evah?
Funny sh/t.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:44 PM

RasThavas on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

; ) I did that one for you. I liked the line. ; )

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Thank you. AZ.
The rib eye special at the strip club has been keeping me busy. Everyone wants cheap food.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

lol, Are you the cook, entertainment or the customer?

arnold ziffel on March 9, 2013 at 8:42 PM

A little of each, co-owner, kitchen manager, and I get on stage when the mood strikes.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:46 PM

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

HAL did you see the photo of you. Lol! Freaking fool!!! Sing it!!!

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Correction:

If 5 years ago, someone would have told Andrew McCarthy, David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc, that there are councils in the UK that have been busted for using drones to check on whether employees, who had called in sick, were really at home or had just taken the day off to do other things, every single one of them would have said to “Drop the Kool-aid and step away from the crazy train!” Yet, here we are.

Thanks, Coffee & Ken.

Predator, whenever people start saying “Aw, that’ll never happen!” it usually means whatever that is will happen soon.

A show of hands: How many would have thought a dozen years ago that the dynamic City of New York, which survived the worst terrorist attack, would become such a nanny that it would ban many of the survivors of that day from buying a 20 oz Coke?

How many would have thought that munching a Pop-Tart into the shape of a gun would get a 7 year-old suspended from school?

Aww, c’mon, Wally, that’ll never happen!

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Senator Paul: Very poor job of handling the opposition to CRA 65.

Bob McDonnell: Keeps having skeletons appear on women’s issues.

SOLUTION? An innovative program or two each on these subjects is my Rx.

SLICK? Our master, the great O, did wonders on a minor bit to work the Latino/Hispanic voter. Great job.

STIMULATING? They have that. The turk candidates must be creative. The wing nuts have to learn to hold their peace at times. Bob can be a modern hero to women.

SENILE? I don’t see anyone meeting that diagnoses. As for the joint ruling of elders, I am without words. Maybe they should move to Colorado and become joint rolling elders.

IlikedAUH2O on March 9, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Rand Paul has all the “right people” against him: McCain, Graham, Kristo, Frum and the rest of the neocons (who want a perpetual war fought by other peoples’ kids)and the communist Southern Poverty Law Center.

The only critic that I have any respect for is Andrew McCarthy.

bw222 on March 9, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Yes, “choosing sides.” If this was a precursor to a full blown break up of the Republican party, I’d not be unhappy. The Romney affair showed that the R party as it stood wasn’t getting enough support from the people. Break it up and follow a new paradigm that gets majority support. And it’s not about catering to illegals or becoming more like the Democrats. Listen to Rand. And Joe the Plumber. Not the establishment country club set.

anotherJoe on March 9, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I’m really disappointed in Boot. That ranks near the top of all the irrelevant ripostes to Rand’s position I’ve seen so far. Did Boot not even bother to watch ten minutes of the filibuster?

Dusty on March 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Boot is a pathological liar who still has his head up the rectum of David “Holy Qur’an” Petraues.

Andrew C. McCarthy: “Boot’s attack on West is an effort to defend a surpassingly foolish statement in which Gen. David Petraeus cast Israel as the source of all America’s woes in the Middle East. To his great discredit, the general — in a Clintonesque fashion which, as we shall see, is probably not a coincidence — simultaneously denied making the statement, grudgingly admitted making it while minimizing its significance, and accused West and others of misrepresenting his views. In fact, the general’s critics quoted his words at length, placed them in unmistakable context, and drew from them the same commonsense conclusion drawn by Israel’s gleeful critics — for whom Petraeus is the hero of the moment.”

VorDaj on March 9, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Ok, diagnosis. Sorry.

IlikedAUH2O on March 9, 2013 at 8:49 PM

RWM…ain’t that the truth!

“it could never happen here and the silent majority”

CoffeeLover on March 9, 2013 at 8:50 PM

A little of each, co-owner, kitchen manager, and I get on stage when the mood strikes.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Vid? ;)

predator on March 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM

The big difference between the tea drinkers and liberals is that the drinkers will forever vote for the establishment candidates they b!tch about every day.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM

OK, so tell me then, how did Rand Paul and Ted Cruz get elected when the Establishment HATED them?

Liberals on the other hand have done a very good job holding their candidates accountable hence the reason you hardly see them complain about their establishment candidates.

LOL!

“Dismal that Dems have ceded the drone/civil liberties fight to Sen RandPaul.”

– Peter Daou, HUGE PROG, former adviser to Hillary Clinton, & Huff Po writer

Fascinating day: Tea Party Senator filibusters torture-supporting CIA nominee over civil liberties, while Dem establishment mocks & fumes.”

– Glenn Greenwald, HUGE PROG

“Claimed assassination powers unite people.”

– Glenn Greenwald, HUGE PROG

“I’m glad to see that someone is sticking up for civil liberties (and ultimately international law)…Amazing that it’s a Republican…Appreciated Wyden’s nod to the senator from Kentucky, that he ‘made a number of important points.’ Now for more Dems to stand up.”

– Michael Shank, HUGE PROG and a professor at George Mason University’s School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution

“Pretty sad — and pretty revealing — that it was left to Rand Paul to raise in the Senate the killing of 16-year-old Abdulrahman Awlaki.”

– Glenn Greenwald, HUGE PROG

“Hate to admit it, but Rand Paul is right.”

- Eugene Robinson

dems ? Do U have any thoughts on Obama’s transition from a progressive academic humanist 2 a regressive corporate warlord?

John Cusack
(@johncusack) March 06, 2013

For gods sake where are democrats ?? “@democracynow: Rand Paul: Obama Admin Response Drones “More Than Frightening” owl.li/itdHI”—

John Cusack (@johncusack) March 06, 2013

Good question“@cenkuygur: Up to 8 Senators now joining the Rand Paul #filibuster. Where are the so-called progressive Democratic senators?”

— John Cusack (@johncusack) March 6, 2013

on holder claiming right to kill even his own citizens..and I remember Ambrose (cont) tl.gd/l81o75

— John Cusack (@johncusack) March 6, 2013

“i AM more liberal — thats why i bring this up…whats in a name i suppose – branded liberal? by msnbc or the real thing?@myperone”

— John Cusack (@johncusack) March 6, 2013

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM

The republican elites will shove their preferred candidates down the throats of the tea partiers knowing the drinkers will crawl over broken glass to vote for them come election day. The good thing for this country is that these out of touch and mainly uneducated white conservatives are now becoming extinct.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

It has always been wise to keep one’s mouth shut if they have nothing intelligent to say. Advice you might want to consider because you truly have no clue what you are talking about. And even if you could craft a coherent position, the fact of the matter is that conservatives don’t need the enemy telling us who we will or will not vote for come election day. I’m sick and tired of the radical left giving advice about what the GOP/conservatives should do. In case you didn’t notice your party is about to implode.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Liberals on the other hand have done a very good job holding their candidates accountable hence the reason you hardly see them complain about their establishment candidates.

LOL, Obama broke about every promise he made for his 1st term, other than Obamacare, which now can barely get to 40% likeability..and you voted him back in office…I dont think accountable means what you think it means..

hillsoftx on March 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 8:47 PM

“It’ll never happen here” mentality is so dangerous. When did it become wrong to be vigilant concerning our freedom? McCain and Lindsey truly jumped the shark for me on this one. I have had issues with both before, but there can be no doubt. They are the problem.

KCB on March 9, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I am thankful McCain and Graham shot their mouths off.
It’s a line in the sand.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:35 PM

…so am I!…I had friends that got excited when Mumbles and Lay-Down got feisty about BenGhazi and JugEars appointees…only to end up folding as usual…this was their last straw!

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2013 at 8:55 PM

The big difference between the tea drinkers and liberals is that the drinkers will forever vote for the establishment candidates they b!tch about every day. Liberals on the other hand have done a very good job holding their candidates accountable hence the reason you hardly see them complain about their establishment candidates.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Tea Partiers have been primarying Republicans since 2010, where do you think Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, and Ted Cruz came from? Hello Mfly, anybody home?

You’re doing a great job holding Obama accountable on his neocon foreign policies: Gitmo, rendition, warrantless wiretaps, civilian casualties via drone stikes and military intervention in Libya without congressional approval – keep up the good work champ.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 8:59 PM

NR is just awful these days. The folks in Washington and Manhattan — from Lowry to Podhoretz — need to come to reality now and understand their positions are unpopular, flawed, and extremist. The country is no longer with them.

Punchenko on March 9, 2013 at 8:34 PM

NR stopped being conservative even before Buckley died, but Rich Lowry sure is pretty.

bw222 on March 9, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Liberals on the other hand have done a very good job holding their candidates accountable hence the reason you hardly see them complain about their establishment candidates.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Where are the Democrats!? #filibuster

- HuffPost Politics ?@HuffPostPol

“when ukill innocent people without trial – i mprison them with no trial what would u call it?-used bush powers & exanded them@lisellecae”

— John Cusack (@johncusack) March 6, 2013

There is a real life #WestWing episode being played out in D.C. tonight.

Rob Lowe (@RobLowe) March 07, 2013

.@SenRandPaul is the MAN right now. #Hate2AdmitIt #p2 #tcot #NoDrones

- Van Jones ?@VanJones68

If a GOP prez implied he could kill US citizens on US soil without due process, we liberals would be marching down street #ConsistencyCounts

Van Jones (@VanJones68) March 7, 2013

“Rand Paul’s ‘a constitutional hero’ for filibustering Obama’s vague drone policy.”

- Cenk Uygur

The Guardian: America Is Shamed That Only Rand Paul Is Talking About Drone Executions! Where Are The Civil Libertarians In The President’s Party That We Must Rely On A Tea Party Republican To Champion This Issue?

“There was a measure of grandstanding and over-the-top speechifying… But it is not necessary to agree with Paul to respect the fact that he was raising serious issues.”

- John Nichols, The Nation

“Where’s Elizabeth Warren?”

- Cenk Uygur

It turns out that she put on her “brave” face by “watching”…

Sagainst drone lynchings. (202) 224-4543 he’s watching now

— Jelperman (@Jelperman) March 6, 2013

@jelperman @cenkuygur Check’s in the mail?Maybe she forgot where Congress is located. She is new.

— Mike (@Mike93434086) March 7, 2013

“This is not a partisan battle. Bush started this.Obama is expanding it. Irony is Obama ran as the anti-Bush.” –@senrandpaul

— kirsten powers (@kirstenpowers10) March 6, 2013

I’m ashamed of US progressive movement and Democratic Senators for letting the far-right be the leaders on #drones. #StandWithRand

— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) March 7, 2013

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 8:59 PM

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Thar they blows!

katy the mean old lady on March 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Liberals on the other hand have done a very good job holding their candidates accountable hence the reason you hardly see them complain about their establishment candidates.

Loved that Gitmo closing ceremony. It was very touching. Can’t wait to visit the Guantanamo Historical & Memorial Museum. I heard that it is nearly finished. That Obama is truly a light-bringer.

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 9:02 PM

I don’t know how it can be simultaneously obvious that the US government has the power to use drones in the US against US citizens who are not engaged in combat and obvious that the US government is prohibited from doing so. But that appears to be what these people are arguing.

besser tot als rot on March 9, 2013 at 9:06 PM

“Go Democratic Establishment! Go, go, go!!!” – HAL

Here, HAL!

Must-See-To-Believe Pic of the Day: Democrats, Stand Athwart History Yelling “Stop!” At Your Own Peril!

Eat your heart out, luv.

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 9:06 PM

The big difference between the tea drinkers and liberals is that ….

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

…we already know what thick substance the elite democrat drones have shoved down the throats of people like HotLips…we know, what they put up to their lips…we haven’t figured out what’s between their ears yet!

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2013 at 9:07 PM

#GayPatriotForSenate is getting a lot of buzz re: primarying Lindsey Graham.

Kewl. If the field is just the two of them, it will be an all-gay primary!!!

Go, GayPatriot, Go!

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Loved that Gitmo closing ceremony. It was very touching. Can’t wait to visit the Guantanamo Historical & Memorial Museum. I heard that it is nearly finished. That Obama is truly a light-bringer.

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 9:02 PM

And imagine the logistics of having to sandwich that in with Obama’s second Nobel (this one in economics) for slashing the deficit over these last four years.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Okay, here is one of McCarthy’s clarifications to a commenter:

Andrew McCarthy> djt•10 hours ago−

djt, I don’t think we’re as far apart as you suggest. I’ve been arguing since 2004 that Congress ought to design a national security court. No war comes with an end date and the framers knew that — perpetual war was the history of Europe for a time. But I do take your point to be that we can’t even see how this war ends because there is no traditional end-scenario that fits — no armistice, no conquest of territory, etc. My point is not that the executive should not be sharply curtailed — I agree with Sen. Paul on that. My point is that this can be accomplished by congressional action without disturbing the Constitution in a way that may limit us down the road — when we might face an enemy with more daunting military capabilities and we might need a president to be able to act very decisively. I admit that it is hard to separate the desire to make sure the office of the president is kept sufficiently powerful from the concern that the president we currently have is lawless and thus needs reining in.

What McCarthy appears to be driving at is that Congress can limit what the AUMF can do and what limits it and when.

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onlineanalyst on March 9, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I’ve just about resigned myself to the fact that GOP statism is here to stay. What was wholly unexpected was that they were throwing out the Constitution with the free market.

besser tot als rot on March 9, 2013 at 9:12 PM

And imagine the logistics of having to sandwich that in with Obama’s second Nobel (this one in economics) for slashing the deficit over these last four years.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 9:08 PM

And not raising anyone making less than $250,000 a year by even one dime (mine went up over $3,000 this year). I guess I need to speak to payroll because I must have been getting shorted on my paycheck all these years.

VegasRick on March 9, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Thanks for the bs tweets by strangers progressives know nothing about. Anyway, Rand Paul is an idiot who hates and has made a career demonizing his own government. Like McCain said, the only ones who take him seriously are dorm room conservatives who are yet to be taken seriously by mainstream America.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 9:16 PM

What McCarthy appears to be driving at is that Congress can limit what the AUMF can do and what limits it and when.

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onlineanalyst on March 9, 2013 at 9:09 PM

The AUMF passed after 9/11 was limited in scope. The authority was to go after those responsible for 9.11 and those that aided, abetted, and/or gave them sanctuary. First Bush, then Obama, have taken the AUMF to mean terrorism anywhere, any place.

While AQIM might share a name with AQ, for example, it was not responsible for 9.11 nor did it give those responsible sanctuary, etc.

Several weeks ago, McCarthy argued that the AUMF needed to be updated and he even mentioned the fact that it was limited to those involved in 9.11 or those that gave a/a/s to those responsible.

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Don’t forget it’s “spring ahead” tonight.

gophergirl on March 9, 2013 at 9:17 PM

the left was pretty upset with Brennan:

Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon said, “Every American has the right to know when their government believes it’s allowed to kill them.”

Brennan tried to reassure Wyden that the government is “very disciplined and very judicious” in the way it makes these selections. He also said that the Obama Administration has not stretched to the “outer limits” of its justifications, which was not exactly reassuring.

So to speak to RWM’s point about recent ‘progress’ over the last 50 years…precisely the point.

A long time ago, from a time no one remembers, there was a saying..something about eternal vigilance and liberty. We need to get back to that

http://www.progressive.org/brennan-obscene-testimony-at-confirmation-hearing

r keller on March 9, 2013 at 9:17 PM

A little of each, co-owner, kitchen manager, and I get on stage when the mood strikes.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Vid? ;)

predator on March 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Sorry Pred.
Copyrighted. I’d have to kill you.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Like McCain said, the only ones who take him seriously are dorm room conservatives who are yet to be taken seriously by mainstream America.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Why you wasting your time with these tea baggin cons on HA anyway? They are just not worth your efforts. You do great work and I’m sure others would appreciate it moor.

arnold ziffel on March 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Like McCain said, the only ones who take him seriously are dorm room conservatives who are yet to be taken seriously by mainstream America.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 9:16 PM

You are quoting McCain now. And I find it funny that you spelled his name correctly. Probably the first time in years.

VegasRick on March 9, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Don’t forget it’s “spring ahead” tonight.

gophergirl on March 9, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I’ve already sprung.

*sprang? springed?* whatever :D

predator on March 9, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Like McCain said, the only ones who take him seriously are dorm room conservatives who are yet to be taken seriously by mainstream America.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 9:16 PM

The best arguments that you can come up with are stolen from McCain?! Wow. That is sad.

besser tot als rot on March 9, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Thanks for the bs tweets by strangers progressives know nothing about. Anyway, Rand Paul is an idiot who hates and has made a career demonizing his own government. Like McCain said, the only ones who take him seriously are dorm room conservatives who are yet to be taken seriously by mainstream America.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Still laughing, you stupid tw@t.
You better run when Sky LibNef becomes self aware and gets more than two brain cells to rub together.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Sorry Pred.
Copyrighted. I’d have to kill you.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on March 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM

So an Innerweb search would be fruitless…*sigh* ok.

predator on March 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Here is another McCarthy response to a commenter. I think that it was in reference to what we know after 20 years of grappling in the ME.

Andrew McCarthy> Bugg•11 hours ago−

I appreciate Bugg’s observation because I winced when I reread that line this morning. Anyone who reads what I’ve written over the years knows that I think the government has refused to grapple with the ideology that inspires the enemy, so in that sense we don’t really understand the conflict at all. What I meant to convey was that we know enough about the operational capabilities of the enemy after 20 years that it’s safe to conclude we don’t need to deploy combat forces in our homeland — the domestic law enforcement and intelligence agencies are very capable when it comes to that aspect of the threat. I should not have made a sweeping claim about our grasp of the conflict.

The problem is that McCarthy doesn’t admit that our foreign policy under either Bush or Obysmal fails to identify Islamism and jihad and the desire for a spreading caliphate as the enemy. McCarthy himself sees them as such, but he doesn’t strongly call out our adminstration for their pie-in-the-sky idealism.

onlineanalyst on March 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Loved that Gitmo closing ceremony. It was very touching. Can’t wait to visit the Guantanamo Historical & Memorial Museum. I heard that it is nearly finished. That Obama is truly a light-bringer.

Resist We Much on March 9, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Well Obama did try to close Gitmo remember? It was your neo con politicians who ended up not making that happen remember. The man is not a dictator you know.

HotAirLib on March 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM

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