WaPo has drastic change of heart about traditional filibuster after Sen. Rand Paul actually does one

posted at 3:47 pm on March 8, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

The Washington Post editorial board, Jan. 16, 2013: The editorial is entitled, “Progress in the Senate,” and praises tweaks made to Senate filibuster rules by Sens. Reid and McConnell while also noting the need for further reform. Among reform options, making senators who wish to filibuster actually perform a traditional, talking filibuster:

The Senate’s leaders deserve praise not only for what they did but for how they did it. Instead of jamming more ambitious reforms through on a partisan, simple-majority vote, Mr. Reid hashed them out with Mr. McConnell. In so doing, he offered a rare example of bipartisan accord, dodged the threat of partisan blowback hobbling the Senate and avoided setting a dangerous precedent for minority rights in his chamber. Rules changes typically require 67 votes, an arrangement that Mr. Reid’s Democrats will cherish when they find themselves once again in the minority.

Yes, the filibuster has been abused in recent years, and we would like to see more reform. Forcing lawmakers who would filibuster legislation to speak out on the Senate floor isn’t a bad idea. But these incremental changes are welcome.

The Washington Post editorial board today:

AFTER SEN. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) held the Senate hostage Wednesday in order to warn that American citizens could be targeted by drone strikes on U.S. soil, he was rightly taken to task for gross and irresponsible mischaracterizations of the Obama administration’s policy. We’ve got another complaint: Mr. Paul and his followers are distracting attention from the real issues raised by the administration’s secret warfare.

So, a talking filibuster is either “not a bad idea” in the universe of reform options for what the Washington Post deems an abused Senate rule, or it’s a method for “[holding] the Senate hostage,” depending on the month. Maybe the Washington Post thinks it’s “not a bad idea” to “hold the Senate hostage?”

The Washington Post‘s editorial board has been quite restrained on the subject of filibuster reform over the last 10 years—the filibuster has been abused in the past, but is an important guarantor of minority rights, and should be reformed by senators working to gradually improve processes, not by obliteration or “nuclear” options, is their basic line. The cultivation of that appropriately sober, old-hand take on this perennial issue is damaged by today’s reactionary editorial.

Which, by the way, seems to indicate that no one on the editorial board even listened to more than half an hour of Paul’s filibuster. The Post complains that Paul’s speech distracted from the real issue of lack of transparency in the administration’s use of drones and kill lists on foreign soil— a subject Paul talked about for large chunks of his 13-hour explication. Reason writer Scott Shackford takes on the “baffling” editorial for attacking Paul for not addressing what he repeatedly addressed:

After criticizing Paul for filibustering the administration’s lack of transparency for domestic drone use (and not even believing there’s a lack of transparency), the writer is upset that Paul’s filibuster didn’t draw attention to the administration’s lack of transparency for foreign drone use.

Paul did actually talk quite a bit about the administration’s foreign drone use in his 13-hour filibuster and specifically how the administration’s lack of transparency and method for engaging in strikes had informed his concerns about their use on American soil. Paul brought it up during the very first hour, and he repeated these comments probably four or five times at least. You didn’t have to watch the entire filibuster to grasp Paul’s argument, so the Washington Post really has no excuse for missing his point

The whole thing screams “We agree with Rand Paul….but we don’t wanna!”


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See the surprised look on my face?

sandee on March 8, 2013 at 3:52 PM

WaPo? why?

DanMan on March 8, 2013 at 3:54 PM

WaPo has drastic change of heart

WaPo doesn’t have a heart. Or brain.

LetsBfrank on March 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM

OK _ McCain just admitted on Shepherd Smith that America is a battlefield after 9/11.

Greyledge Gal on March 8, 2013 at 3:41 PM

From other thread. This will have huge implications on US citizens. Obama could declare any of you a ‘combatant’ now.

RP was incredibly prescient and powerful.

McCain just made a fool of himself, for two days now. This is a ‘beauty’ for the weekend Sunday shows, for the sections that are not recorded, yet.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Unexpectedly!

locomotivebreath1901 on March 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Leftists are Never liberal/progressive, always tyrannical.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM

RWM, this is huge and must be propagated, fast. It must be reversed, officially. NO way can the entire US be a battlefield. It would change all the laws/rules.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

WaPo doesn’t have a heart. Or brain.

Or courage.

Dirty Creature on March 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Can’t change what you don’t have. The only thing WaPcko can change is their diaper, and that not nearly often enough.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM

“We agree wholeheartedly with Rand Paul, but we can’t really ’cause he is not Obama”…

hillsoftx on March 8, 2013 at 4:00 PM

I don’t understand what the big deal is. It’s not like Paul’s filibuster was a big deal as it relates to Congress accomplishing things.

If this is a “filibuster”, I think there should be more filibusters. There ought to be one Senator every day assigned to filibuster an issue. In addition, the filibuster should be long enough that every Senator can ask a question and any Senator who doesn’t ask one isn’t allowed to vote on the issue.

Dusty on March 8, 2013 at 4:01 PM

My, Washington Post is getting the vapors over Rand Paul. The Old Guard does not like the Young Bucks. That transcends party membership.

rbj on March 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

The truth is that when the question was answered, Eric Holder did not answer it. If he had answered it, the filibuster never would have happened. Rand Paul, et al., were doing their job, unlike McCain and Graham.

lea on March 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

he was rightly taken to task for gross and irresponsible mischaracterizations of the Obama administration’s policy.

By whom? Senators McShamesty and O’Hara, who, themselves, mischaracterised Senator Paul’s argument?

Hey, remember when the MSM and the Left thought that John McShamesty was “unstable,” “probably suffering from some kind of post-traumatic brainwashing from his time in captivity,” and had “too mercurial a temperament to be President”?

Now, all they have to say after his temperamental, asinine outbursts, which are not even based on the issue at hand, are “Word!”

Who needs Dark Lord Sauron’s spokeskid, Gríma Wormtongue a/k/a Jay Carney, to go after the Hobbits when Saruman will do it for him?

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 4:11 PM

It all depends on whose ox is being gored.

myiq2xu on March 8, 2013 at 4:13 PM

he was rightly taken to task for gross and irresponsible mischaracterizations of the Obama administration’s policy. We’ve got another complaint: Mr. Paul and his followers are distracting attention from the real issues raised by the administration’s secret warfare.

He stood in the Senate for nearly 13 hours and welcomed questions/debate from all positions. Just because those who chose to challenge him waited until he was done so they could demagogue doesn’t make them right.

The fact that the criticism waited until he was done is proof that those who are challenging him are cowards, not that they are Hawks.

weaselyone on March 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Well we have to do something, those elected in dc don’t listen to us and seem not give a darn if bho or they trash our constitution?

I thank God that Paul, Cruz, and all others finally stood their ground for what the Founders had in mind for our Republic!

And as for those old coot rino’s that are trashing what happened, well sucks to get it put to you for a change doens’t it?
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letget on March 8, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Principles? Of course we have principles. And if those principles are inconvenient, we have others.

The Washington Post

Kind of how they didn’t like, torture, rendition, wiretapping, etc. when Bush/Cheney were doing it.

Lily on March 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

You have to give it to Rand – he has people in an uproar.

Good!

gophergirl on March 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

It all depends on whose ox is being gored in chief.

myiq2xu on March 8, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Paul is making McCain and Graham look even worse for being unable to get answers on Benghazi.

Instead of stepping up to the plate and adjusting their tactics, they attack the methods of someone who actually got results.

weaselyone on March 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Speaking of old coot rino’s. Beck had a great idea this morning on his radio show. He and his staff want to buy a home in SC to give to West and see if he would primary graham? Just think of it, two black conservatives from SC in the senate if he would do it and win?

That WOULD get panties in a bunch in dc? I doubt West would do it, but it is fun to think of?
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letget on March 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

The truth is that when the question was answered, Eric Holder did not answer it. If he had answered it, the filibuster never would have happened. Rand Paul, et al., were doing their job, unlike McCain and Graham.

lea on March 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Precisely. If Rand’s position was such a “gross misrepresentation” of The Obama Doctrine, Ted Cruz wouldn’t have needed sodium pentothol and an iron maiden to get an answer out of Holder.

Kataklysmic on March 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

This is a press release prior to publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, which is a GREAT BIG NO-NO if you’re a real scientist.

But warmists stopped being real scientists a long time ago, now they’re just pigs at the public funding trough struggling to justify their next feeding time.

Socratease on March 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM

You have to give it to Rand – he has people in an uproar.

Good!

gophergirl on March 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Paul is making McCain and Graham look even worse for being unable to get answers on Benghazi.

Instead of stepping up to the plate and adjusting their tactics, they attack the methods of someone who actually got results.

weaselyone on March 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Next – One of the ‘young bucks” should filibuster about Benghazi – Where are the people that survived benghazi???

CHAFFETZ: STATE DEPT HIDING BENGHAZI SURVIVORS

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/12/12/Chaffetz-Benghazi-State-Dept

redguy on March 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM

RP said this just yesterday.

Today McCain confirmed that it is, on the Shep Smith show.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

The only ones that read the WaPo are the mindless drones of the libs. Who cares…

RedInMD on March 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

RWM, this is huge and must be propagated, fast. It must be reversed, officially. NO way can the entire US be a battlefield. It would change all the laws/rules.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM

The rules already have been changed, and the country is already a battlefield; its just that the shooting hasn’t started yet.

Midas on March 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

weaselyone on March 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

They got the answer. Obama did not lift a finger to help Americans who were under attack. He walked off and went to bed, leaving the matter in the hands of other incompetents too paralyzed with fear to act.

He should be impeached for that alone, never mind the deliberate cover up for the next couple weeks.

dogsoldier on March 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

weaselyone on March 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

what happened to those two tough guy’s stance on holding up the vote until they got answers on Benghazi? I haven’t them utter a word of clarification on that issue. Are they using Rand Paul to hide that bluster?

DanMan on March 8, 2013 at 4:32 PM

wapo writers got too much blowback from the liberal DC govt workers, how dare you take the side of someone questioning our great and successful president!

burserker on March 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

And they are losing money!!

Let’s run a paper – outwardly mock half of the national audience – including the part that actually still buys newspapers – and then wonder why we can’t pay the bills and need to downsize.

I love the pain both the WashPo and the NYT are inflicting on the downtrodden and exploited workers of the world.

Zomcon JEM on March 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Senator McShamesty, 2008: “Sarah Palin is more than qualified to be President.”

Senator McShamesty, 2013: “Senators Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are ‘wacko birds.”

OK, Proggies, when was Senator McShamesty lying?

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Guess the WaPo’s objection is not to the policy, but to its lack of implementation on, frankly, us.

Steve Eggleston on March 8, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Hannity has a special report on Benghazi tonight on FNC at 9:00, probably with reruns this weekend. He said there is some new info. Should be interesting.

petefrt on March 8, 2013 at 4:52 PM

The only ones that read the WaPo are the mindless drones of the libs. Who cares…

RedInMD on March 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Who have these hilarious comments:

Ron Paul’s query is a red herring, irrespective of whether it is construed as constitutionally or politically. Journalistically, it is nothing more than a straw man.

right now the only drone we need to get rid of is rand paul and filibuster.

These paranoid anti-government Republicans are more of a threat to the United States than radical Islam is.

(“Don’t Drone me, Bro!”)

Still curious…when will the Washington Post and other members of the fabled american free press pick up on the british guardian newspaper’s report published after a 15 month investigation that directly links american officials including Donald Rumsfeld and General Petraeus to torture in Iraq?

War Criminals!

First of all I do not buy into that we are at War.

President Obama should make the schedule of planned drone attack available to the news media daily. He should let the publica know where these drone attack will take place and who the intended target are.

(Wouldn’t that also be telling the bad guys where not to be on that day? What a rocket scientist!)

However, many of the WaPo consumers are calling the editorial board out on its utter hypocrisy. There’s hope yet!

Del Dolemonte on March 8, 2013 at 4:52 PM

RP said this just yesterday.

Today McCain confirmed that it is, on the Shep Smith show.

[Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM]

McCain uses very little circumspection when he’s speaking and, while technically knowledgeable due to his experience in public office, he’s not much better than your ordinary low information voter when it comes to the importance of definition.

Dusty on March 8, 2013 at 4:53 PM

The whole thing screams “We agree with Rand Paul….but we don’t wanna!

Put into terms low information morons might be able to understand. The WaPo gets four Glenn Kesslers for their lies.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 5:08 PM

McCain uses very little circumspection when he’s speaking and, while technically knowledgeable due to his experience in public office, he’s not much better than your ordinary low information voter when it comes to the importance of definition.

Dusty on March 8, 2013 at 4:53 PM

McCain is good at the parlimentarian aspects of being a Senator but it has been years since he has shown any depth of knowledge, vision, or intelligence. I include the years that include the years where he was campaigning and running for President.

People (and by people I mean liberal scumbags) dismissed Ronald Reagan as an intellectual lightweight. It has been proven that is far from the truth. McCain is an intellectual lightweight.

And while on the subject of parlimentarianism, just how stupid were the Democrats to leave the door open for a real filibuster? I guess they were as lazy as McCain and assumed they were safe from letting it happen. The WaPo describes Paul as having taken the Senate hostage. The real question was why whatever Dem lowlife parasite was asleep on duty as President Pro Tem.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Please tell us when the WaPo had an “idea”, let alone a “good one”.

Another Drew on March 8, 2013 at 5:23 PM

The WaPo describes Paul as having taken the Senate hostage. The real question was why whatever Dem lowlife parasite was asleep on duty as President Pro Tem.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Harry Reid neglected to file for cloture. When Paul realised the floor was free Wednesday morning, he decided to mount a filibuster.

I don’t know who was sitting as PPT at the time, but Reid definitely qualifies as a low-life, parasitic Democrat.

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

The funny thing about all these zipper head grouching about it..

..I was listening to Medved yesterday….he’s all about..”Yeah, it was something, but it is the same something that Obama does..”

Bull$hit…Obama..as well as the rest of the chorus of pri*s would not more be willing to stand up there and do that for 2 hours…

Dirty rotten sorry SOBs..

And if it was such a ‘nothing’ gesture…Why’d it take so long for Nation of Cowards Holder to come out and say ‘NO’??

I can’t believe Meghan McCain hasn’t opened her fat, bloated blow hole after daddy chimed in on this…

McCain’s RHino-ish crap hasn’t really bugged me that much up until now…

Kiss My A$$ and retire you tired old @#%k.

BigWyo on March 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM

What else would one expect from the WaPOS.

MCGIRV on March 8, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Harry Reid neglected to file for cloture. When Paul realised the floor was free Wednesday morning, he decided to mount a filibuster.

I don’t know who was sitting as PPT at the time, but Reid definitely qualifies as a low-life, parasitic Democrat.

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

And a lazy one at that. Thanks for the background. Everyone has been scrambling around whining about Paul’s ability to hold the floor for 13 hours. The Dems had it in their power to do otherwise and didn’t. And somehow this is Paul’s fault??? Only in DC.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 5:30 PM

RP said this just yesterday.

Today McCain confirmed that it is, on the Shep Smith show.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

According to McCain and Graham, as long as we are at war, there is no due process. I guess that’s why we’re going to end up at the point where “Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.” Easy way to just throw the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, in the trash and install a despot.

besser tot als rot on March 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Please tell us when the WaPo had an “idea”, let alone a “good one”.

Another Drew on March 8, 2013 at 5:23 PM

People forget the truth about the WaPo. It was a second-rate paper before they broke the Watergate scandal which turns out to have been done for no better reason than an FBI agent was pissed off he got passed over for the directorship. Had he gotten the job there would have been no deep-throat.

The WaPo was a morning paper (the Washington Star was the PM paper). My parents canceled their WaPo subscription over the bias they showed concerning Watergate. Unfortunately it is the only paper that survived as a print publication. They get the WaPo, seethe over its bias, and access the Washington Examiner on their IPad for balance.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM

o/t

Sheeesh…

Bloomberg Says Government ‘Probably’ Shouldn’t Force People to Exercise

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM

That’s big of him.

Of course let’s wait until the other shoe drops. Government shouldn’t force people to exercise but they can give tax credits to employers that make forced exercise a condition of employment. Make the employer the bad guy that some fat slob is required to exercise. Just make sure it isn’t so strenuous that they end up at an Obamaclinic to use their Obamacare health plan.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM

According to McCain and Graham, as long as we are at war, there is no due process. I guess that’s why we’re going to end up at the point where “Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.” Easy way to just throw the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, in the trash and install a despot.

besser tot als rot on March 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM

I am not surprised at all. Either by their idiotic idea that such a status means suspending every right that gets in their sodding way, or that those two clowns can say with a straight face that we are at ‘war’.

We haven’t truly been ‘at war’ for decades, and using this pathetic NeoCon-driven escapade as a justification to ashcan the Constitution is beyond ridiculous.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 6:00 PM

The Washington Post is a terrorist organization. I fully support slipping a few Hellfire missiles through the upstairs windows./
Oh, and McCain is clearly a traitor to the USA.

S. D. on March 8, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Clearly WaPo is terrified Rand’s old man is going to haunt their prostate.

BillH on March 8, 2013 at 9:44 PM

WaPo doesn’t have a heart. Or brain.

LetsBfrank on March 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM

But they have the noive.

Freelancer on March 9, 2013 at 4:36 AM

Every once in a while, the Post goes from being a left-wing establishment newspaper, to just being an establishment newspaper. They join McCain and Graham in their misguided critique of someone who stood by their principles and called enough attention to this issue to get a response. NOw, if we could find out about the remaining legal opinions on drone use, the Obama administration would truly be a transparent administration. I wonder if the establishment press will put as much pressure on that as Rand Paul did on the other?

bflat879 on March 9, 2013 at 8:36 AM