Quotes of the day

posted at 8:47 pm on March 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

The Senate has the power to restrain the executive branch — and my filibuster was the beginning of the fight to restore a healthy balance of powers. The president still needs to definitively say that the United States will not kill American noncombatants. The Constitution’s Fifth Amendment applies to all Americans; there are no exceptions.

The outpouring of support for my filibuster has been overwhelming and heartening. My office has fielded thousands of calls. Millions have followed this debate on TV, Twitter and Facebook. On Thursday, the White House produced another letter explaining its position on drone strikes. But the administration took too long, and parsed too many words and phrases, to instill confidence in its willingness or ability to protect our liberty.

I hope my efforts help spur a national debate about the limits of executive power and the scope of every American’s natural right to be free. “Due process” is not just a phrase that can be ignored at the whim of the president; it is a right that belongs to every citizen in this great nation.

I believe the support I received this past week shows that Americans are looking for someone to really stand up and fight for them. And I’m prepared to do just that.

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“Sen. Paul’s 13 hours on the Senate floor won’t have any practical effect on our policy and how we’re going after terrorists on a day-to-day basis,” a senior administration official told Yahoo News on condition of anonymity.

But didn’t Paul wring a letter out of Obama’s top lawyer, Attorney General Eric Holder, in which he effectively promised that Americans who aren’t lining up to take a shot at the Capitol with a grenade launcher (to paraphrase the senator) are safe?

In a word: No…

Holder didn’t use the phrase “actively attacking.” And administration officials privately agreed on Friday that “not engaged in combat” was the key phrase going forward. None of them agreed to define the expression on the record.

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“This has been slowly building, and when something is slowly building like this it’s hard to tell whether what has stayed a slow burn and a simmer will never move past that — and when it will suddenly burst into public view,” said Matt Miller, a former Justice Department spokesman.

“I would say they’re somewhat like stunned bunnies at this point,” said Kenneth Anderson, a law professor at American University and a Hoover Institution fellow…

“There is a little bit of whiplash,” said Miller. “Paul’s position has been pretty clear for a long time, but when I see others joining who had never before voiced any support for a civil liberties position, it’s obviously opportunism and a chance to be on the other side from the administration. That’s what drew them to the floor and onto Twitter.”…

“I do mind our party taking a position completely different than we had with President Bush,” Graham told POLITICO. “I didn’t hear any of these people say anything during the Bush administration. Where were they? I just think it’s politics. I think it’s creating a straw man, creating a situation that doesn’t exist.”

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But the real problem, as Paul made clear, isn’t the use of drones against US citizens on American soil; it is American foreign policy itself, under both this president and his predecessor.

His indictment was radical, sweeping, total, unconditional — and wildly overdrawn. Just to take one example, he said we are living in a state of perpetual and endless war, and used Iraq as an example — Iraq, from which we pulled out entirely in 2011. To listen to Paul, you’d think America was already a police state, and the planet its evil playground.

Yes, many people believe this, but that doesn’t make it true. It wasn’t true under Bush and it’s not true under Obama. Moreover, the logic of Paul’s view is that the United States is the aggressor in the war on Islamist terror rather than a bystander unwillingly drawn into a battle that has not yet been won.

Rand Paul, who turned 50 this year, is one of the most talented politicians of his generation. And one of the most dangerous.

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Yet the irony here is that while Republicans are excited by Paul’s stand, any decision to change the direction of the party’s take on foreign policy would contradict their desire to improve their electability after their defeat last November.

As much as Paul’s stand inspired Republicans and even generated respect from Democrats, they need to remember that most Americans support the drone policy. They may be sick of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they don’t share Paul’s disinterest in fighting the “perpetual war” against Islamists because they know the threat is real. They also know that the idea that the only legitimate fighting is being conducted on battlefields between soldiers is hopelessly outmoded.

Obama won re-election in part by bragging about killing Osama bin Laden and chiding Mitt Romney for his disinterest in the hunt for the arch terrorist. Moreover, if Republicans are foolish enough to follow Paul down the road toward embracing a form of isolationism, they will be branded as the weak party on defense and concede foreign policy as an issue to the Democrats for a generation.

Those who wish to save the GOP from this fate can’t let Paul speak for the party on these issues. But if they are to do it they will have to show at least as much guts as he did this week and avoid sounding, as McCain and Graham did yesterday, like cranky old men telling the kids to get off their lawn.

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The complaint against many GOP hawks is that they have been rash and too enamored of executive authority. They’ve been too Pollyannaish about the Arab Spring, say their critics. And while defense needs defending, they haven’t been very effective or creative in gaining savings that don’t impair national security. And there in his post-filibuster rant was McCain, with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) in tow, reaffirming all those perceptions…

It is a mistake for conservative hawks is to view any limitation (constitutional, fiscal, real world) as a threat to their well-meaning effort to maintain U.S. influence in the world. In fact, it is only with respect for some limits on the executive, understanding of fiscal restraints and, most important, an appreciation for whom we are dealing with (friend or foe) that an internationalist foreign policy can be sustained.

At some point McCain begins to hurt more than help that endeavor. If you want to promote pro-life views you better not nominate Richard Mourdock, and if you want to win adherents to a responsible but robust foreign policy. . . well, let’s just say it is better to have a spokesman who doesn’t scare the living daylights out of the public.

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Rand Paul is not moving public opinion on this point or even Republican opinion on this point. Rather, public and Republican opinion on this point has already moved, but is currently being falsified because no one ever wants to admit they’re wrong, and Rand Paul is offering people an opportunity to express their real opinion.

And that could wind up working out badly for the hawks, as McCain expects, because people might just be seduced into just doing a 180 on their Idealism — moving from “we will make any sacrifice to make the world safe for democracy” (a sentiment as noble as it is false) to a new completely-opposite Idealism of pacifism. But in both cases they’re as Idealistic and Noble as they can possibly be. So it’s an attractive thing.

I actually don’t believe in Paulian pacifism and do believe in the need and justification for American intervention on a limited basis and in pursuit of a limited number of objectives.

If McCain also believes that — and of course he does — he would be wise to stop making the choice between the Ron Paul doctrinal peacenikism and the McCain Interventions Incorporated model.

Because McCain will lose, and so will the concept of interventionism itself.

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Two years ago in this space, I noted that the U.S. secretary of education, who doesn’t employ a single teacher, is the only education minister in the developed world with his own SWAT team: He used it to send 15 officers to kick down a door in Stockton, Calif., drag Kenneth Wright out onto the front lawn, and put him in handcuffs for six hours. Erroneously, as it turned out. But it was in connection with his estranged wife’s suspected fraudulent student-loan application, so you can’t be too careful. That the education bureaucracy of the Brokest Nation in History has its own Seal Team Six is ridiculous and offensive. Yet the citizenry don’t find it so: They accept it…

Do you remember the way it was before the war on terror? Back in the Nineties, everyone was worried about militias and survivalists, who lived in what were invariably described as “compounds,” and not in the Kennedys-at-Hyannisport sense. And every so often one of these compound-dwellers would find himself besieged by a great tide of federal alphabet soup, agents from the DEA, ATF, FBI, and maybe even RRB. There was a guy called Randy Weaver who lost his wife, son, and dog to the guns of federal agents, was charged and acquitted in the murder of a deputy marshal, and wound up getting a multi-million-dollar settlement from the Department of Justice. Before he zipped his lips on grounds of self-incrimination, the man who wounded Weaver and killed his wife, an FBI agent called Lon Horiuchi, testified that he opened fire because he thought the Weavers were about to fire on a surveillance helicopter. When you consider the resources brought to bear against a nobody like Randy Weaver for no rational purpose, is it really so “far-fetched” to foresee the Department of Justice deploying drones to the Ruby Ridges and Wacos of the 2020s?

I mention in my book that government is increasingly comfortable with a view of society as a giant “Panopticon” — the radial prison devised by Jeremy Bentham in 1785, in which the authorities can see everyone and everything. In the Droneworld we have built for the war on terror, we can’t see the forest because we’re busy tracking every spindly sapling. When the same philosophy is applied on the home front, it will not be pretty.

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There has been a major, major shift here. There’s more to it than you can see inside the power structure in Washington, inside the Republican Party. And for McCain now to come call these guys kooks and wackos illustrates exactly what’s wrong.

But here’s the substance of this. There is a fear among McCain, Lindsey Graham, and others who favor an interventionist foreign policy. Think of the neocons. Think of going into Iraq and not just securing Iraq, but building a democracy. Nation building, if you will. Think of the outbreak of the Arab Spring and the people on our side who thought, “Wow, this is wonderful. This is the outbreak of American democracy,” when it wasn’t. It was the exact opposite. Rand Paul, they’re asking themselves, is he his father’s son or is he on his own here? They’re worried that he’s his father’s son. They’re worried that Rand Paul is an isolationist. They’re worried that Rand Paul’s diatribe on drones really means that Rand Paul wants to bring the military home and not use it unless we’re attacked. He doesn’t like it being used in an intervention. This is what they fear. And as he succeeds in making a connection with the American people, they are worried, the neocons are worried that they are being undermined by this.

I’ll tell you why. Rand Paul made a connection with the American people. These other people do not. He made a connection. Therefore, he has the ability to influence and motivate people. I’m telling you what their fears are. They thought that Ron Paul was absolute nutcase, wacko. That’s why they’re calling Rand Paul a wacko, ’cause that’s what they thought of Ron Paul. Libertarian, fruitcake, nutcase, isolationist, shut down the US military, speak positively about Islamists, all this kind of stuff. They are afraid that’s who Rand Paul is, and they’re afraid that what Rand Paul was doing with this filibuster was not just speaking out against the use of drones on American citizens on American soil. They’re afraid that Rand Paul is actually setting the stage for building up public support to stop the interventionist usage of American military might and foreign policy all over the world. It’s a fear that they’ve got.

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AP must have a date.

RovesChins on March 8, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Rebel Rand!

KOOLAID2 on March 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Allah has a date.

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Getting earlier and earlier..

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I believe the support I received this past week shows that Americans are looking for someone to really stand up and fight for them. And I’m prepared to do just that.

Finally.

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Just say no to rino.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Allah has a date.

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Yep.
I hope he wore clean underwear.

RovesChins on March 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Honey Boo Bo McCain?

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Sparky has no date.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM

TAIF.

Thank Allah it’s Friday. Not the rag head Allah.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Its Friday! Guess what that means.

Anybody else think Beth is really cute?

cozmo on March 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Benghazi, Syria, Yemen, “rebels”.

The old guard knows all and is complicit.

Quid pro quo.. Awful quiet on the homeland.

can_con on March 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

John McCain is a bigger useful idiot than Dennis Rodman.

alchemist19 on March 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Getting earlier and earlier..

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Good! I ain’t a night owl like y’all.

cozmo on March 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Yep.
I hope he wore clean underwear.

RovesChins on March 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM

First things first.

hillsoftx on March 8, 2013 at 9:00 PM

“Rand Paul, who turned 50 this year, is one of the most talented politicians of his generation. And one of the most dangerous.”

I thought Palin was?(49) Well she did back him…
Let the Paulinization begin!

I post this occasionally, now my 2nd fave Rand moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAn1FWInBi0

bazil9 on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I think Ed must of split for Italy. Allah is getting tired. Hope he sleeps well. Nothing worse than a cranky Allah. Well,……okay, there are worse things than a cranky Allah, but a cranky Allah rates right up there at the top. Well,….., cranky wise that is.

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Mr CoCain and Mr Graham Cracker hate you Rand Paul and the Constitution you rode in on.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

ERROR: please type a comment.

Really?

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:04 PM

The NVA wasted a lot of time torturing him. All they needed was a TV camera.

wolly4321 on March 8, 2013 at 9:04 PM

ERROR: please type a comment.

Are you absolutely sure? Cause I’m kinda cranky too.

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Blamin’ the equipment again?

cozmo on March 8, 2013 at 9:05 PM

ERROR: please type a comment.

Okay, but you may not like it. Fore warned. Supper down at the White house.

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:06 PM

“Rand Paul, who turned 50 this year, is one of the most talented politicians of his generation. And one of the most dangerous.”

bazil9 on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

John McCain, who turned 150 this year, is one of the dumbest politicians of all time. And one of the most insane and senile.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Holder didn’t use the phrase “actively attacking.” And administration officials privately agreed on Friday that “not engaged in combat” was the key phrase going forward. None of them agreed to define the expression on the record.

It is DESPICABLE, just HIDEOUSLY WRETCHED, that any US Attorney General would work so intensely to avoid stating clearly what policy is on such a profound issue as the use of drones and would, instead, as Holder has done, soap himself up in some self-grandiose lather as he has there with word-mincing word-juice.

Holder is a cad. A disgusting cad. A miserable cad, a creepy, disrespectable fool. So is Obama.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:07 PM

LOL from Rand Paul’s facebook page

Rand Paul
I’ve been called many things in my career. But ‘Wacko Bird’ is a new one.

gophergirl on March 8, 2013 at 9:07 PM

And who else?

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I like the early qotd’s. I’m not an insomniac. Early riser.

wolly4321 on March 8, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:06 PM

You are a sick man(?).

But I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened.

cozmo on March 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM

a bit early.

Flapjackmaka on March 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM

John McCain is a bigger useful idiot than Dennis Rodman.

alchemist19 on March 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

No longer any need to decide whether to send Dennis Rodman or Jimmy Carter or Sean Pean, just send John McCain to do the job of all three.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I have more confidence in Allah’s taste in women.

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Holder didn’t use the phrase “actively attacking.” And administration officials privately agreed on Friday that “not engaged in combat” was the key phrase going forward. None of them agreed to define the expression on the record.

Holder and Obama don’t want to be caught in the possible BLAME (called, “responsibility”) for being criminal or being proven to be.

What they’re engaged in there is fitful work trying to create a false legacy based on nonreality because the reality of who they are is no more grandiose than “criminal.”

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Rand Paul
I’ve been called many things in my career. But ‘Wacko Bird’ is a new one.

gophergirl on March 8, 2013 at 9:07 PM

At least not since kindergarten anyway.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Sour Grapes: McCain and Graham are upset that they’re losing the spotlight.

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Holder is a cad. A disgusting cad. A miserable cad, a creepy, disrespectable fool. So is Obama.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:07 PM

You’re being way too kind.

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 9:11 PM

You are a sick man(?).

But I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened.

cozmo on March 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Actually I’m the healthy male. The sick ones are in the photos.

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM

ERROR: please type a comment.

Okay, but you may not like it. Fore warned. Supper down at the White house.

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:06 PM

You are the MASTER!

RovesChins on March 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Holder is a cad. A disgusting cad. A miserable cad, a creepy, disrespectable fool. So is Obama.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:07 PM

You’re being way too kind.

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 9:11 PM

I tried.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM

The most pathetic lines I ever heard:

SCHIEFFER:

“You know, I’m suddenly creating a reputation for myself as a hopeless romantic here, but I kind of feel like these are good things when you judge where you are. You know the old saying, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king”.

I could take on the ‘double entendre’ meaning of this, and make it funny, but I won’t :-P

I’ll leave that up to Sparky and Bmore and Schad and Dire!!!!

TGIF! Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen!!

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Holder is a cad. A disgusting cad. A miserable cad, a creepy, disrespectable fool. So is Obama.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Actively subverting the Constitution brings another word to mind.

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Sen. Rand Paul: My filibuster was just the beginning

Finally…!

*clinky!*

Seven Percent Solution on March 8, 2013 at 9:14 PM

bazil9 on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Xoxo. If you need a good number, like 8 or 9, I will calculate one just for you.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I wonder how many kickbacks from military contractors juan mclame recieves. Follow the money.

wolly4321 on March 8, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Finally…!

*clinky!*

Seven Percent Solution on March 8, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I’ll *CLINK* to that!!!

Finally, Oh Yeah!!

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:15 PM

I don’t want “Peace through Strength”… “Peace” is what is killing us?

ninjapirate on March 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Sour Grapes: McCain and Graham are upset that they’re losing the spotlight.

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Rand Paul has earned the eternal enmity of John “Look at me! Look at me!” McCain and Lindsey “Look at me too! Look at me too!” Graham as he yanked their stage right out from under them for the grand media tour they had planned to brag about how “bipartisan” they were at their grand dinner with their “partner in bipartisanship”, Barack Obama. I doubt that an upstaged Marco Rubio, who now looks very small by comparison, is very pleased either.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM

In the land of the pud-less, a one eyed trouser snake gets the worm.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Eric Holder, defender of terrorists and terrorist gangs.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Anyone see this?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/brennan-takes-oath-constitution-without-bill-rights-205110620.html

“Director Brennan was sworn in with his hand on an original draft of the Constitution that had George Washington’s personal handwriting and annotations on it, dating from 1787.” [prior to Bill of Rights]

Earnest said Brennan had asked for a document from the National Archives that would demonstrate the U.S. is a nation of laws.

1. When did anyone is this administration care about history or demonstrating that this is a nation of law?

2. It’s an absolute crying shame that those who care nothing for the Founders were able to take their oath on a document with Washington’s notes.

3. I’m surprised Brennan didn’t snatch his hand away, and cry, “Oh, it burns me, My Precious,” as soon as he touched Washington’s notes.

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Sleazy Eric “Sinaloa” Holder is psychotic much like his tutor Janet “Barbecue” Reno.

Lacking an ability to grant themselves immunity from prosecution by being the prosecutor both would be doing hard time for murder one, multiple scores of counts.

viking01 on March 8, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Eric Holder, defender of terrorists and terrorist gangs.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:17 PM

And Gun Runner. Don’t forget that!

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Another pants free weekend for cozzy

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Checks email inbox……………….looks like I’m still good to go. ; )

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:20 PM

wolly4321 on March 8, 2013 at 9:15 PM

With many of these ‘gobshite’ pols, that’s exactly what needs to be done, follow the dang money…

I am sure McC and Crackers are being paid handsomely…

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:21 PM

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Exactly! Obama asked Graham to organize the dinner and Graham said he was honored to do so. He and McCain probably had some idea of holding a presser on their dinner and how wonderful they were. Obama probably had PR plans as well.

Instead, they were upstaged by an upstart!

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I knew you’d come thru ;-D

Thanks for the bonus laugh!!

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Bmore- lol. Great job on temp3.

wolly4321 on March 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Oh, and I want Brennan to take his oath of office on the Bill of Rights.

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Lindsay’s reaction to Byrd sheets death

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham: Senator Byrd was a valuable ally and worthy opponent. He will be viewed by history as one of the giants of the Senate.

Inside the minds of the true wacko birds.

bazil9 on March 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Okay, something a little more kid friendly. Tweedledee and Tweedledum. You probably know straight away which is Tweedledum, Tweedledee may prove a little tougher.

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Am I late?

KCB on March 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Hi everyone. This is BMore. Sparky gave me his password in case I get banned. Isn’t Sparky awesome?

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM

bazil9 on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Xoxo. If you need a good number, like 8 or 9, I will calculate one just for you.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Bugs bunny kiss>>>to ya.
Why thank you! I’m leaning towards the 9 ;)

bazil9 on March 8, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM

You did very well keeping within the confines of HotAir rules. Who would want to get banned over Holder?

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Hi everyone. This is BMore. Sparky gave me his password in case I get banned. Isn’t Sparky awesome?

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Bishing for compliments, eh, Sparky?

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Ken is late. Now he is checking out scrumpys booty again.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Miss Lindsey “Hello, sailor” Graham will be viewed as a millstone in senate history.

viking01 on March 8, 2013 at 9:27 PM

It’s beginning to look a lot like 1934 Germany.

jukin3 on March 8, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Roveschins..been a while.
How many chins you up to now?
Keeping up on removing the funk between the folds?

bazil9 on March 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Exactly! Obama asked Graham to organize the dinner and Graham said he was honored to do so. He and McCain probably had some idea of holding a presser on their dinner and how wonderful they were. Obama probably had PR plans as well.

Instead, they were upstaged by an upstart!

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

They do seem overly butt hurt, don’t they? They treat Paul and company far worse than they did Kennedy, Byrd, etc.

KCB on March 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I just posted this on the McCain thread, but the party had moved over here… So hi, y’aaaallll! (Did I say it right, Texans?)

“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted. “That’s just a fact. By the way, the reason why we use Hellfire missiles overseas in places like Yemen, we don’t have the ability to capture them. We want to capture these people, not kill them.”

Facepalm. This coming from the son and grandson of Admirals, a veteran, a POW, and a so-called expert on national security, the law of war, terrorism, blah, blah, blah…

The Supreme Court in Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1, 37-38 (1942), defined an “enemy combatant” as:

“Citizens who associate themselves with the military arm of the enemy government, and with its aid, guidance and direction enter this country bent on hostile acts are enemy belligerents within the meaning of the Hague Convention and the law of war.”

Terrorist groups such as al Qaeda are no more governments than the Weather Underground and the Red Army Faction were in the 1970s.

Joining Nazi Germany as an American citizen and fighting on a battlefield would make that “American” (he’d actually have had forfeited his citizenship) an enemy combatant. John Walker Lindh was an enemy combatant. These actors are engaged into combat or fighting for an enemy state ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

On the other hand, the Americans and Germans arrested during WWII on US soil, who were planning acts of sabotage, were UNLAWFUL COMBATANTS. Even though they were executed, both the Americans and Germans had access to counsel, a trial before a military tribunal and a right to appeal to the Supreme Court. They had, in other words, due process rights albeit much more limited in scope than a typical criminal defendant.

That McCain even raises the issue of “enemy combatants” vis-a-vis US soil exposes – yet, again – something that troubles me so much about his and Graham’s approach to “war.” They see the entire planet as a battlefield, including, conceivably, the United States. The US is NOT part of the battlefield. The Law of War does NOT apply on US soil unless martial law has been declared by the President in the course of repelling an invasion or putting down an insurrection; instead, the Constitution controls.

If the world is a battlefield and the Law of War applies, then the Constitution has the value of a single-square of Sheryl Crow’s used toilet paper.

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Yes, I read it…

I can’t believe they didn’t use the Proper Constitution!

Disgusting…

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Ken is late. Now he is checking out scrumpys booty again.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM

So????

KCB on March 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Yep.
I hope he wore clean underwear.

RovesChins on March 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Of course he did. He’s a beta. He probably has backup underwear in his fanny pack.

joejm65 on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Where’s my fence, John? Feeling kinda naked down here,,,, still.

I’d call his Tucson office but as you can imagine it would be a waste of time.

As a Arizona resident, I am hard pressed to name one dang thing he hws done that benefits me, much less the nation.

wolly4321 on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I am a fan of yours. But don’t hold back so much.

*clinky!*

Seven Percent Solution on March 8, 2013 at 9:14 PM

One part of some things that are changing:

I watch the angry Ed show on MSNBC when I want to feel better about putz Republicans and how the default winners are making a mess of everything. Ed makes Democrat seem palatable to me. But Ed gets a tad rambunctious.

With a couple of influences, including the leadership of Rand Paul, we have the discovery of Banzai politics. I have heard wimp, boring Republicans expecting to act worse than Ed.

Like slaves that were locked in a ship’s hold. Or Mr. George McFly in the film Back To The Future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So2yJzFOJeo

I don’t think Obama for America is going to stand around laughing, though.

IlikedAUH2O on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Thank you so much for finding that and publishing it here!!

I am in need of that…

God Bless You!! :-)

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

While you weren’t looking…
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/342522/while-you-werent-looking-obama-kills-military-commissions-andrew-c-mccarthy

Consider all of the implications of this move by Obysmal. Andy McCarthy does, and the picture ain’t pretty.

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

KCB on March 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

BFF’s forever with Teddy, who was a scourge on this country.

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Bishing for compliments, eh, Sparky?

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Oh sparky is jumping on his living room trampoline hitting h his head on the ceiling.

I’m BMore.

Anyway sparky just told me to tell you that you taught him about bashing. He said ouch thanks. Ouch because he hit his head again.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Did you get my tweet about T&T? I posted it with White Rabbit. I’m going to rework the lyrics, but I haven’t been too inspired the last few day for some reason. Probably because I have been absorbed with McShamesty and Senator Scarlett. Maaaae-see-naa-ma-ma-see-na-ma-ma-see-na wrote itself.

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Bishing

Not bashing

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM

I wonder if Sen. McCain would have been okay with a drone taking out Maj. Nidal Hasan during his attack on Ft. Hood? He is an American citizen that I believe would have qualified as an enemy combatant and the danger was imminent. I think that would be legal, not some doofus sitting in a coffee shop planning stuff on his computer.

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

That makes me ill. Obama & ilk use due process to do us harm, denying or applying at will.

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:36 PM

His indictment was radical, sweeping, total, unconditional — and wildly overdrawn.

Podhoretz (sp?), that charge is radical, sweeping, total, unconditional–and wildly overdrawn. Knock off the hyperbole, and listen to what Sen. Rand Paul actually said.

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM

McCain thinks that would be a rush to judgement since muzzies are a protected class.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:37 PM

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

I wonder if NYers will rise to the challenge again and try and stop this?

Or is it too late?

0 makes me sick…

Wish I could barf all over the crease of his pants…

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Ok I’m logging off to let sparky login

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:15 PM

*clinky!*

Seven Percent Solution on March 8, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Shabbat Shalom, y’all!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 8, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Thanks. I just wrote it, but I have written that post in so many variations over the years that I couldn’t possibly begin to count them. I just want to scream when I hear idiots like McShamesty talking like the United States is a battlefield. It is not.

Remember when the MSM and the Left thought that John McShamesty was “unstable,” “probably suffering from some kind of post-traumatic brainwashing from his time in captivity,” and had “too mercurial a temperament to be President”?

Now, all they have to say after his temperamental, asinine outbursts, which are not even based on the issue at hand, is “Word!”

Who needs Dark Lord Sauron’s spokeskid, Gríma Wormtongue a/k/a Jay Carney, to go after the Hobbits when Saruman will do it for him?

I mean, honestly.

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Good points. Thanks for sorting that.

INC on March 8, 2013 at 9:40 PM

A hellfire isn’t a bullet. It goes boom.

wolly4321 on March 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM

I think now is a great time to start posting ‘Drone-Free Zone’ signs everywhere, just like schools have their ‘Gun-Free Zones’. ‘Cause we care, and it works! Seriously, it’s obnoxious enough to at least consider. And, any leftist who mocks this effort gets the ‘Gun-Free Zone’ nonsense thrown in their face. What’s good for the goose, no?

joejm65 on March 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Giant spiders are invading Florida. It was on drudge. Who loves spiders? Twerp.

SparkPlug on March 8, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Taken from Rushs’ show today and I quote:

“Rand Paul, they’re asking themselves, is he his father’s son or is he on his own here? They’re worried that he’s his father’s son. They’re worried that Rand Paul is an isolationist. They’re worried that Rand Paul’s diatribe on drones really means that Rand Paul wants to bring the military home and not use it unless we’re attacked. He doesn’t like it being used in an intervention. This is what they fear. And as he succeeds in making a connection with the American people, they are worried, the neocons are worried that they are being undermined by this”.

Does anyone else here have the same ‘fear’? That Rand will turn out to really be his fathers’ son?

Personally, I don’t not at this point.

Scrumpy on March 8, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM

I tweet. but I’m not sure if anyone see’s them. I only have 10 followers, mostly friends from here. I am not sure on how to tweet to a broader audience. I need to study more on the whole tweety thingy. I have been busy. No excuse though. ; ) Tweety tips are always appreciated.

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Good evening all. TGIF…another brutal week of highs and lows, personally and politically, which are sometimes hard to separate. The behavior of McCain and Graham is so bad that it makes me grumpy. Rand Paul was outstanding, and inspiring no matter what the dinosaurs say.

Bmore, you are one of the best commenters here, and far more skilled in photoshop than anybody I know. But this is a grammar pet peeve of mine ;)

I think Ed must of split for Italy

Jackalope on March 8, 2013 at 9:43 PM

O/T @politico Jeb Bush will appear on ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CNN and Univision this Sunday

Puke.

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 9:43 PM

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