North Korea: We’re tearing up our nonaggression pact with South Korea

posted at 1:12 pm on March 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

After 60 years of crying wolf, can any NorK threat really be taken seriously?

There’s an obvious explanation for this one, but even by the usual saber-rattling standards, it’s extreme.

North Korea said Friday that it will sever its emergency hot line with Seoul and nullify non-aggression agreements between the two countries, amid escalating tensions over the North’s nuclear test last month.

“The DPRK abrogates all agreements on nonaggressions reached between the North and the South,” the North’s Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea, a propaganda organ against the South, said in an English statement carried by the North’s Korean Central News Agency. “The DPRK will close the Panmunjom liaison channel between the North and the South.”

Yesterday Kim Jong-un went to the coast off of Yeonpyeong, which was bombarded by North Korean artillery three years ago, to remind the troops that they should feel free to start firing at the South first if things get any hotter:

The North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has visited troops on the border with the South and has reportedly told them to “annihilate the enemy” as tensions continue to rise in the region…

Kim Jong-un also instructed his troops to ‘make the first gunfire’ if tensions with South Korea boil over.

One Korean expert at Stanford told CSM that the tone lately, replete with threats to nuke America, is unusually belligerent even by North Korea’s standards and that he’s not laughing it off. Meanwhile, South Korea responded to NK by warning that, if nukes are used, they’ll wipe them off the face of the Earth. (Which isn’t true, of course. It’s the U.S. Air Force that’ll wipe the North off the face of the Earth.)

So what’s really going on here, assuming Kim hasn’t decided that life can’t get any sweeter after watching a game with Dennis Rodman and thus now’s as good a time as any for national suicide? Three possibilities. One: He’s testing the enemy’s new leadership. The South’s first woman president, Park Geun-hye, was sworn in just two weeks ago. Maybe he wants to see how tough she is, or maybe he feels pressure to show his subjects prisoners that the North won’t be intimidated by a female. Which is stupid, if true. Precisely in order to show that she’s no less capable of defending the South than any man would be, Park’s unlikely to back down. Recipe for confrontation? Two: Maybe Kim’s still trying to prove himself to the military. Says the Times:

“The higher decibel of invective is a bit worrisome,” said Bill Richardson, the former governor of New Mexico and presidential candidate, who has traveled to North Korea eight times, most recently in January. “It’s the highest negative level I’ve ever seen, and it probably means that the hard-line elements, particularly the military and not the Foreign Ministry, are in control.”…

According to current and former administration officials, there is a growing discussion within the White House, the State Department and the Pentagon over whether Mr. Kim is using each new test of rockets and nuclear devices to solidify his position with the military, his most important single constituency. “Under that theory,” one official who has dealt with North Korea often said recently, “even a firefight with the South Koreans might help him, as long as it doesn’t escalate into something that threatens the regime.”

Makes me wonder if all the goofy Rodman photo ops didn’t put pressure on Kim to “atone” with a bout of hyper-belligerence. He looked like a total goon mooning over some American basketball player the way he did. Not an image that the fanatics in the military want to project. Three: What’s different about the UN new sanctions, of course, is that China’s on board, which poses a unique challenge for North Korea. If their one reliable ally cuts them off, where do they go then? Read this short but worthy piece from Walter Russell Mead about the NorKs’ predicament. The new saber-rattling is a message to Beijing not to forget that they’ve got a lunatic regime right next door that can make lots of trouble if it’s not properly contained. And the only means of containment short of war is appeasement with food aid and diplomatic support. Your move, China.

Here’s Rodman’s new BFF riling up the troops off the coast of Yeonpyeong.

Update: Doug Powers says of the video, “I haven’t seen a reception like this since Obama visited the set of Hardball.”


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The world would be a better place if we turned North Korea into a skating rink….

Polish Rifle on March 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Maybe we can settle this with some free throws?

verbaluce on March 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Thought y’all might get a laugh out of this:

North Korean Broadcast of Oklahoma vs. Oklahoma State Football Game

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Yeah yeah, big words from little men.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

I’m betting that Baby Kim is having some difficulty consolidating power.

rbj on March 8, 2013 at 1:19 PM

lots of countries rattling their swords at the US these days.

CoffeeLover on March 8, 2013 at 1:21 PM

And replacing it with a nonaggression pact with Dennis Rodman.

Ward Cleaver on March 8, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Maybe we can settle this with some free throws?

verbaluce on March 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Splendid idea! Sharks, pirahnas, alligators, or all three?

Or did you NOT mean throwing Kim into a pool of carnivorous sea life?

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 1:22 PM

The loons rule North Korea. I never thought I would see the fall of the Cold War. North Korea may be on the brink of bring about its own end. As much as I am war weary, it they start something, South Korea and the United States are going to have to finish the job that was not done in 1953.

SC.Charlie on March 8, 2013 at 1:22 PM

lots of countries rattling their swords at the US these days.

CoffeeLover on March 8, 2013 at 1:21 PM

They know what liberals won’t admit: our leadership is such a joke that the only thing left for debate is whether they’re more incompetent, weak, or stupid.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 1:23 PM

I think China gets it that the time for this regime to fall is approaching. The longer NK is allowed to proliferate nukes the more likely it is that one or more of them will fall into the hands of some extremist military faction that will actually use them when (not if) the regime falls apart.

LukeinNE on March 8, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I think when Barksdale AFB in LA. and Minot AFB in ND start scrambling the B-52s we will know the panty suited little man has gone to far.

fourdeucer on March 8, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Maybe we can settle this with some free throws?

verbaluce on March 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Holy crap, now I’m reminded of that David Zucker commercial with Madeleine Albright, Kim Jong-il, and the basketball game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3GPc_yMCE

Ward Cleaver on March 8, 2013 at 1:27 PM

The corpulent dictator is full of hot air.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Imagine a president Reagan.

This corpulent fool speaks because he can.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 1:32 PM

L’il Kim needs some cialis. He sounds pretty impotent.
Clearing the old pipes out might mellow him a bit.

redshirt on March 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM

What a ‘democratic’ land. The people are as corpulent as is their position.

The ultimate leftist Utopian dream, in front of your very eyes!!!

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Did anyone notice how low the ceilings are in this video?

I don’t know how you guys feel, but, man…that gigantic Michael Jackson 2-storey bed looks like you could get 20-30 friends together and have a really good time.

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Lets’s think about what’s going on here. NK knows it can’t follow up on it’s threats. So the objective here isn’t really to turn the focus to NK but, I suspect, to take the focus off someone else. I wonder who?

tommyboy on March 8, 2013 at 1:37 PM

What is it with the Kim Family and their High and Tight haircuts. The 82ND Airborne is not amused.

hawkdriver on March 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM

OT:

Its come to this in Chicargo:

School busses stolen, turned into scrap within minutes

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Cult of personality. Even if we did nuke then, I doubt they would have the common decency to surrender like the Japanese did.

BohicaTwentyTwo on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Lets’s think about what’s going on here. NK knows it can’t follow up on it’s threats. So the objective here isn’t really to turn the focus to NK but, I suspect, to take the focus off someone else. I wonder who?

tommyboy on March 8, 2013 at 1:37 PM

You assume a certain level of sanity from NK, odds are that various individuals in NK are getting insanely desperate, the insanely desperate do insane things.

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Kerry is on the job.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

So much for Dennis Rodman’s claim that Kim doesn’t want to “do war”.

Bitter Clinger on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Hope ‘n Change

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Gotta love the Presidential yacht!!

Deano1952 on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Kerry is on the job.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

I feel so much better now.

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Bitter Clinger on March 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

“Go ahead. Make my day.”

Khun Joe on March 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM

OT:

Its come to this in Chicargo:

School busses stolen, turned into scrap within minutes

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM

May have been some parents concerned about their children’s public education!!

Deano1952 on March 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM

So would Obama respond with nukes if North Korea used them on the Korean peninsula possibly risking a strike against the western US?

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Not another nickel of blackmail to NK. No negotiations necessary. If they attack us or our allies, that’s the end of NK.

FloatingRock on March 8, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Kerry is on the job.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

So, how long before he drops a hand grenade into a rice container and fills his own a$$ with shrapnel again and puts himself up for his fourth purple heart?

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 1:59 PM

So would Obama respond with nukes if North Korea used them on the Korean peninsula possibly risking a strike against the western US?

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Maybe but by the time he got finished with the focus group, the petition from leading academics, the speech from someplace where they make nuclear weapons, the campaign tour sellin’ the idea to the American public, etc. it probably would be too late.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Meanwhile, South Korea responded to NK by warning that, if nukes are used, they’ll wipe them off the face of the Earth. (Which isn’t true, of course. It’s the U.S. Air Force that’ll wipe the North off the face of the Earth.)

Um, Allah, Obama’s only enemy are Conservatives and or Republicans. I think you give him to much credit with the drone strikes.

Lance Murdock on March 8, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Doesn’t this mean we’re once again at open war with NK? Can we flatten them now? Pretty please? If only so that we don’t have to put up with these morons compensating for something.

Othniel on March 8, 2013 at 2:01 PM

So much for Dennis Rodman’s claim that Kim doesn’t want to “do war”.

Bitter Clinger on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Well, in Dennis Rodmans defense, he is a complete E’ffng imbecile…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Time to make North Korea into one big glass parking lot.

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

and again, the US missile defense industry thanks you for your support…

(to the norks)

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Do we have any of those Stark Industries Jericho weapons in S. Korea – the weapon “you only have to use once”?/

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Maybe but by the time he got finished with the focus group, the petition from leading academics, the speech from someplace where they make nuclear weapons, the campaign tour sellin’ the idea to the American public, etc. it probably would be too late.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 2:00 PM

That’s what is worrying. Obama is as weak, or weaker nerved than Carter. Throw in the Senkaku Islands standoff and you could have some real interesting times in the east.

North Korea probably doesn’t have a nuclear tipped ICBM yet, but I wonder if that would even matter.

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Time to send Jimmy Carter back over….

albill on March 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Did South Korea ever even sign that thing?

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Doesn’t this mean we’re once again at open war with NK? Can we flatten them now? Pretty please? If only so that we don’t have to put up with these morons compensating for something.

Othniel on March 8, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Well, technically yes that is exactly what it means, we were at a condition of Armistice with N Korea, the Korean war never actually ended. I have to wonder if Lil Kim understands that, or if he has taken the measure of O’Dumbo and calculated that O’Dumbo aint got no testicles.

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:08 PM

That’s what is worrying. Obama is as weak, or weaker nerved than Carter. Throw in the Senkaku Islands standoff and you could have some real interesting times in the east.

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM
That’s our biggest problem. If a couple drone hits across the border doesn’t solve it, Obumble is likely to surrender faster than the French….

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

So what’s really going on here, assuming Kim hasn’t decided that life can’t get any sweeter after watching a game with Dennis Rodman and thus now’s as good a time as any for national suicide? Three possibilities.

Actually, there is a fourth. Mini-Kim may simply be batsh!t f**king insane.

Consider that he is the third generation of a family that has ruled the “Hermit Kingdom” for sixty-plus years. Ad that everyone in said kingdom is required to revere him, like his father and grandpa, as a “living god”.

Now factor in the ingrained arrogance of someone who has been taught from the cradle that it is his destiny to rule all of Korea, and possibly a big chunk of Asia as well.

And oh yes, add in an American President he isn’t the least bit frightened of, or even concerned about.

Put it all together, and you can see that there’s a high probability that as the product of a closed state and a delusional family, Mini-Kim may simply be going off the deep end.

Never attribute to calculation or cunning that which is more easily explained by insanity. Sometimes, appearing crazy can be seen as useful by certain types of “Maximum Leader”, Saddam Hussein being a case in point. Then again, to quote one of my favorite authors,

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands.

-Douglas Adams

clear ether

eon

eon on March 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Did South Korea ever even sign that thing?

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

I guess you better start praying that they did, since if N Korea starts nuking folks your home is probably right at the top of their list. (something about you guys betraying them)

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Dear Dennis:

You and I are kindred spirits. You and the North Koreans, not so much.

We are both into Gallardos and two tone paint. I never got stopped three times in a day but then, I never painted my head on the side of my car with flames coming out of it. My family wanted me to paint the dog’s head on mine and wouldn’t be surprised if I did.

I know that you and Lindsey Lohan are both Republicans at heart. It is hard to have a totally rotten childhood and not believe in yourself and the power of the individual — even against all odds. It is all we had. Christmas never comes for us. We had to go and chase it.

I want to party with you and show some stuff.

Thanks.

IlikedAUH2O on March 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I guess you better start praying that they did, since if N Korea starts nuking folks your home is probably right at the top of their list. (something about you guys betraying them)

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Yeah, NORKs nuke Shanghai. You did a lot of drugs in your day, huh?

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM

eon on March 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Don’t forget the likely effect of in-breeding of a family of self-obsessed god-rulers running a closed society. I wouldn’t be surprised if lil-Kim has webbed feet and other anomalies (he’s obviously compensating for something).

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

That’s our biggest problem. If a couple drone hits across the border doesn’t solve it, Obumble is likely to surrender faster than the French….

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I think it will be more a problem of him accepting setbacks as permanent and refusing to take actions when it will make any difference. We saw this with Benghazi when he seemed paralyzed or completely absent. With the Arab Spring he was wandering around without a clue on what to say or how to respond with Hillary Clinton off on her own rather different foreign policy.

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 2:16 PM

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Yeah, NORKs nuke Shanghai. You did a lot of drugs in your day, huh?

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM

You are aware that they consider China siding with the US in the UN against them to be a huge betrayal of them, right? Not so bright you are…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

I think it will be more a problem of him accepting setbacks as permanent and refusing to take actions when it will make any difference. We saw this with Benghazi when he seemed paralyzed or completely absent. With the Arab Spring he was wandering around without a clue on what to say or how to respond with Hillary Clinton off on her own rather different foreign policy.

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I can’t help picturing the Captain / East India Company boss at the end of the 2nd (?) Pirates of the Carribean movie – walking along the deck muttering about his perfect plan as the ship gets obliterated around him.

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

You are aware that they consider China siding with the US in the UN against them to be a huge betrayal of them, right? Not so bright you are…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Tell you what, I’m leaving a case of beer for you in my will in the event I’m killed by a NORK nuking of Shanghai. In recognition of you getting something right about East Asia for once.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Junior Kimmy reminds of Ralphie itching to use his new Red Ryder BB gun even if he does end up shooting his eye out.

I can’t picture Obama responding in kind if the Norks use nukes. We might not have to, really, because our conventional capabilities are unmatched in the region. The Chinese won’t appreciate any fallout, and we surely don’t want the South getting dosed.

What I do foresee is China taking action to stop Kimmy from getting too crazy. It’s in China’s best interest to keep their brat on a leash and preserve his little spit of land as a buffer against ‘possible aggression’ from that quarter. China certainly doesn’t want a somewhat hostile entity like us and/or a Korea united with Seoul as the capitol sitting on the Yalu River.

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

You are aware that they consider China siding with the US in the UN against them to be a huge betrayal of them, right? Not so bright you are…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Yes they do – but China is also the reason they still even exist – and I wouldn’t think even the norks are stupid enough (no guarantee there) to start a war against both the US AND China.

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Yet another proof that the likes of Dennis Rodman should not be allowed to play with, touch, or be seen by a kid.

Archivarix on March 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM

So did the NK’s actually tear up the armistice? Or are they just blustering? Because I seem to recall a few years ago that they said the same thing: that they were no longer abiding by it. Yeah, March 27th, 2009 according to Wikipedia.

Is this more of the same?

I hope so, because while NK will not exist after the second Korean war, Seoul is in artillery range, if nothing else, of the NK army. And while the NK military is rather decrepit, I would image that they could at least fire for a few hours on Seoul, with the massive casualties that would result.

Vanceone on March 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

China certainly doesn’t want a somewhat hostile entity like us and/or a Korea united with Seoul as the capitol sitting on the Yalu River.

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Possible – but I’m not so sure about that. My understanding of history is that the Koreans (all of them) hate Japan (because of WW2 atrocities) far worse than any of them hate China. And it could be a very good deal for China to have a united Korea with a S. Korean type economy – and China as a close friend / guardian who has a common ancestry/culture. China might foresee that if they removed the nork threaet to the region, everyone in the area would see them as a better friend and savior than the US.

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

An entirely possible scenario I didn’t consider. If you’re correct and that’s the outcome, it would do China no good to have North Korea a bigger disaster area than it is. Likely, to complete your possible outcome, China might have to invest resources for decades to come.

Interesting idea you have there. :-)

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Yeah yeah, big words from little men.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Did Obama promise something again?

LoganSix on March 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Tell you what, I’m leaving a case of beer for you in my will in the event I’m killed by a NORK nuking of Shanghai. In recognition of you getting something right about East Asia for once.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Hey, since your so damned smart, then surely you know who the “Stupid Club” are, right? Yes, I am the only Non Chinese member of the “Stupid Club“. When you finally figure out who the “Stupid Club” get back to me and we’ll discuss what I do and do not know about East Asia, M’k…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Interesting thoughts.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

I hope so, because while NK will not exist after the second Korean war, Seoul is in artillery range, if nothing else, of the NK army. And while the NK military is rather decrepit, I would image that they could at least fire for a few hours on Seoul, with the massive casualties that would result.

Vanceone on March 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

The NORK Army (I’ve heard, can’t prove) has about 3-5 rounds per arty tube, all aimed at Seoul. The army has enough material to sustain combat for about 3 days. Then they’re out of gas, food, and ammo.

There isn’t a NKor air force (that poses any sort of threat).

The average NORK combat soldier has no idea about the lethality they’re up against, as were many of Saddams’ soldiers in the first gulf war. The NORKs will most likely start any new combat very nearly the way they were fighting in the 1950′s. A poor choice, btw.

What they do have going for them is a horde of fanatics who will use human waves to overrun positions in the south to seize more supplies. If they come, expect a huge body count on the NORK side.

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Yes they do – but China is also the reason they still even exist – and I wouldn’t think even the norks are stupid enough (no guarantee there) to start a war against both the US AND China.

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

60 plus years of institutionalized malnutrition and insane indoctrination cannot have been a path towards national sanity.

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:41 PM

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Maybe a generation ago, but I doubt the current generation of South Koreans could have that much of a grudge against the Japanese left in them. But not knowing the East, I could be wrong.

Deano1952 on March 8, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Hey, since your so damned smart, then surely you know who the “Stupid Club” are, right? Yes, I am the only Non Chinese member of the “Stupid Club“. When you finally figure out who the “Stupid Club” get back to me and we’ll discuss what I do and do not know about East Asia, M’k…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Don’t get your omutsu in a twist brother. I’m sure you’re a genius.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Maybe a generation ago, but I doubt the current generation of South Koreans could have that much of a grudge against the Japanese left in them. But not knowing the East, I could be wrong.

Deano1952 on March 8, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Never underestimate an Asians ability to carry a blood feud grudge for generations. It is likely to be many generations before the Korean’s both North and South cease hating the Japanese over WWII. They still hate the Chinese over things that happened a thousand years ago.

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Hey, since your so damned smart, then surely you know who the “Stupid Club” are, right? Yes, I am the only Non Chinese member of the “Stupid Club“. When you finally figure out who the “Stupid Club” get back to me and we’ll discuss what I do and do not know about East Asia, M’k…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Don’t get your omutsu in a twist brother. I’m sure you’re a genius.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Well, like I said, I was an actual member of the “Stupid Club” from 1984 to 1986. You either know who they are, or you don’t.

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

I sincerely doubt that the North Koreans have the war stocks (POL, rations, ammunition) to wage a campaign against the South.

I also suspect that the lore within the Chinese army about their experience during the Korean war, is about hundreds of thousands of casualties and a combat unprecedented in their history.

Special Forces Grunt on March 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Well, like I said, I was an actual member of the “Stupid Club” from 1984 to 1986. You either know who they are, or you don’t.

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

I’m sure you’re a permanent member of the Stupid Club.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

I’m sure you’re a permanent member of the Stupid Club.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM


Yup, probably am…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Yup, probably am…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Dude! I saw that paper in the Astrophysical Journal! That was you?

Impressive.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Yup, probably am…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Dude! I saw that paper in the Astrophysical Journal! That was you?

Impressive.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM

ROTFLMAO… Your snarky sarcasm is noted… ;p

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Hey China…soylent green….yah..I knew you were thinking about it anyway.

can_con on March 8, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Sadly, I think the ROK would be on its own – Obama wouldn’t defend them.

Ward Cleaver on March 8, 2013 at 3:32 PM

You can tell the dirty little tyrant isn’t suffering from a lack of food.

scalleywag on March 8, 2013 at 3:36 PM

You know, I’m not so sure about the NK decrepit military. True, NK as a whole stinks, but all the top flight stuff is given to the troops, especially the front line guys. They’ve had 40 years to build up supplies. And even if the quality is WWII, that’s still enough for a decent week or so.

Let’s take an example. Put one of our divisions from today up against the Soviet Army at Kursk in WWII, and it would be a battle for a while. We’d take some casulties, just from the sheer human wave approach.

The Iraq war was a cakewalk because we were the initators, and frankly, we didn’t have anything to defend. Where was Saddam going to attack? A few cruise missiles at Jerusalem was about it.

But the Norks have lots of juicy targets that cannot move out of the way, and they are starting within range. Supplies for artillery don’t decay all that readily, and they’ve had 40 years to build up.

It would be messy, to say the least. Especially if the Chinese decide to “lend” a few volunteers to get a test drive of their equipment and tactics. It wouldn’t be 300,000 volunteers again, of course, but we won’t be putting two army corps there either, like the last time. I don’t think we HAVE two army corps to put there.

Vanceone on March 8, 2013 at 3:37 PM

You can tell the dirty little tyrant isn’t suffering from a lack of food.

Tyrants and their cronies don’t endure the suffering they inflict on their people. Suffering is for the peasants to keep them obedient to the state and serves as a reminder who has the power over them.

Until comes a time the people rise up, if they can, to rid themselves of tyranny.

hawkeye54 on March 8, 2013 at 3:41 PM

They’ve had 40 years to build up supplies. And even if the quality is WWII, that’s still enough for a decent week or so.

I’m sure the quality is at least Cold War era. That of the supplies Kim Jong-un hasn’t sold off to increase his overseas accounts.

hawkeye54 on March 8, 2013 at 3:44 PM

What are they going to do, nuke LA and then we wipe them off the face of the planet? Where’s the downside?

jnelchef on March 8, 2013 at 3:45 PM

But… but… the world was going to love us with Obama as President!

RJL on March 8, 2013 at 3:47 PM

All the aid that Clinton funneled to North Korea so Kim wouldn’t develop nuclear weapons is sure paying off now!

RJL on March 8, 2013 at 3:50 PM

What are they going to do, nuke LA and then we wipe them off the face of the planet? Where’s the downside?

jnelchef on March 8, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Heh. Wouldn’t that be something? Or how about if $hitcago was wiped off the map.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 3:52 PM

An entirely possible scenario I didn’t consider. If you’re correct and that’s the outcome, it would do China no good to have North Korea a bigger disaster area than it is. Likely, to complete your possible outcome, China might have to invest resources for decades to come.

Interesting idea you have there. :-)

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Just getting back from trying to get an AR from Sportsman’s Warehouse….

True I expect China would not want to clean up a lot after a shooting war, BUT – is there really all that much there now that they wouldn’t want to just bulldoze anyway? Kind of like redevelopment in urban blight areas. Somethimes you just have to consider the land as the only valuable thing there, bulldoze everything else and start over. Prime real estate for China to build lots more factories to make cheap crap for the US. Also, any surviving norks would be VERY cheap labor, even by Chinese standards, and be happy to have a real job and less threat of execution for making a mistake.
Just my thoughts, for what they’re worth (2 cents?).

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM

60 plus years of institutionalized malnutrition and insane indoctrination cannot have been a path towards national sanity.

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Oh, I don’t disagree with that. I just can’t help thinking SOMEONE in that chain of command might have just enough brains to say “uhh – wait a minute, do we really want to do this?”. Of course anyone with that much common sense might also realize that to even say something like that will likely get him a spot on the mortar target range – so best to keep your mouth shut and hope to somehow survive the inevitable national suicide.

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 4:01 PM

What are they going to do, nuke LA and then we wipe them off the face of the planet? Where’s the downside?

jnelchef on March 8, 2013 at 3:45 PM

If they were willing to just nuke LA, and maybe Chicago and Detroit – we could justify rewarding them for it…./

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 4:04 PM

If they were willing to just nuke LA, and maybe Chicago and Detroit – we could justify rewarding them for it…./

Hold the reward util they’ve included the Bay Area. Nuking just LA would tip the state out of balance. It’d only be fair. SF and environs totally deserve it.

hawkeye54 on March 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Hold the reward util they’ve included the Bay Area. Nuking just LA would tip the state out of balance. It’d only be fair. SF and environs totally deserve it.

hawkeye54 on March 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I can buy that. Can we make sure Nanzi is there when it happens?

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Which isn’t true, of course. It’s the U.S. Air Force that’ll wipe the North off the face of the Earth.

I seriously doubt Obama has the stones to do that…no matter what NK does. China would be right there, giving Obama the stinkeye and he’ll never lift a finger against them…they’re probably one of his biggest donors.

AUINSC on March 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I seriously doubt Obama has the stones to do that…no matter what NK does. China would be right there, giving Obama the stinkeye and he’ll never lift a finger against them…they’re probably one of his biggest donors.

AUINSC on March 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Very likely – BUT – Mr. Peace Prize does seem to enjoy ordering hits from afar.

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 5:30 PM

It’s always been my opinion that WW3 would begin on the Korean peninsula. All this doesn’t sound like the usual empty threats…but maybe the NorKs aren’t testing the South or the US…they’re testing the Chinese to see just how far they might be able to go and still remain an ally.

JetBoy on March 8, 2013 at 6:18 PM

NK’s Dear Leader and his gang sense weakness in America’s Dear Leader. With good reason. And they aren’t the only ones.

In Comrade O’s first term the world’s bad guys started testing the water. Then they waited to see if he was reelected. Now they will start making more aggressive moves.

farsighted on March 8, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Hold the reward util they’ve included the Bay Area. Nuking just LA would tip the state out of balance. It’d only be fair. SF and environs totally deserve it.

hawkeye54 on March 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I can buy that. Can we make sure Nanzi is there when it happens?

dentarthurdent on March 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Heh heh heh, I’m a Californian, and even I would get too upset over that…

SWalker on March 8, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I wish I had my own country to rule. Sigh

jephthah on March 9, 2013 at 7:14 AM

The only think to fear in NK is Kim Jon Un’s hairdresser. Pure evil.

virgo on March 10, 2013 at 1:36 PM