McCain: Who are you calling an “interventionist”?

posted at 7:07 pm on March 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

You’ll be pleased to know he managed to get through this without insulting Rand Paul, who told Mike Huckabee earlier today, with eloquent understatement, “I treat Sen. McCain with respect, I don’t know if I always get the same in return.” The key bit comes at 6:25 when Shep presses him, with barely concealed disdain, about his interventionist record; the fact that McCain takes umbrage at the use of that term is maybe the best evidence yet of a rising isolationist tide inside the GOP. We’re a long way from 2003 if the “super-hawk” of super-hawks feels obliged to distance himself rhetorically from intervention — although the invocation of Reagan is no surprise. Read George Will’s piece on that from 2011, back when McCain was demanding that America wade into Libya in Reagan’s name. Reagan, who pulled out of Lebanon after the Marine barracks bombing.

But let me focus on something else. Either he’s misunderstanding Paul on drones or I am, because this sounds like a non sequitur:

“About what is [Paul] confused?” Smith asked McCain.

“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted. “That’s just a fact. By the way, the reason why we use Hellfire missiles overseas in places like Yemen, we don’t have the ability to capture them. We want to capture these people, not kill them.”

He’s begging the question. Paul’s not worried about noncombatants being deliberately targeted. He’s worried that an American citizen might be declared an enemy combatant erroneously and then summarily executed by the president before he can contest that designation. In order to be on the safe side and make sure that never happens, Paul’s offering a bright-line rule that even a bona fide enemy combatant should receive due process if he’s a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil (unless, of course, he’s engaged in an attack when the feds finally catch up to him). Frankly, I’m not sure why he’s drawing the line at America’s borders; if you’re worried about an American being targeted in error, you should want due process for him no matter where he’s located. But that’s Paul’s concession to political reality, I think. He’s not putting up a fuss about Awlaki, a U.S. citizen killed in Yemen, because (a) the public’s happy on balance that Awlaki was taken out and (b) he’s more likely to raise awareness about executive overreach by painting a picture of Hellfires being fired at someone on a street in your neighborhood. He’s content, at least for now, to have some constitutional limit imposed on O’s counterterror powers, even if the scenario he’s drawn is unlikely. If McCain disagrees with that, if he really wants zero constitutional restraints on the commander-in-chief’s ability to name someone an enemy and then make war on him, even inside the United States, then he’s gone way beyond interventionism. We’ll know soon: Paul and Ted Cruz are trying to get a Senate vote on an amendment that would end Obama’s drone power inside the U.S. against American citizens in the next few weeks.

Maybe Katie Pavlich will press McCain on this when she primaries him in a few years. Exit question: If McCain’s for “peace through strength” rather than “intervention,” can he name a circumstance in which, given a choice to intervene or not, peace through strength would be better served by not intervening? When was the last time he opposed U.S. intervention, in any form, when it’s been on the table?



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Knarly ole bald headed loser.

NEXT!

Key West Reader on March 8, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Shut up, John.

Pork-Chop on March 8, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Oh, and John? You worthless POS? YOU are an “enemy combatant” in Obama’s book. Dodge the Drone.

/Don’t Drone me Bro

Key West Reader on March 8, 2013 at 7:12 PM

The more he talks, the deeper he digs.

idesign on March 8, 2013 at 7:13 PM

ok I’ll go first, he’s such a big boy his offices have taken their phones off the hook.

Such a brave man… Lame.

http://www.therightscoop.com/newt-rips-mccain-im-really-disappointed-in-john-mccain-i-dont-know-whats-happened-to-him/

MontanaMmmm on March 8, 2013 at 7:14 PM

“My Friend” McCain has yet to meet a situation of worldwide unrest where he hasn’t promoted a military solution.

McCain needs to read his former co-candidate, Sarah Palin’s, iteration of Reagan’s philosophy. She spelled it out before the “Libyan Adventure.” Let me see if I can locate it.

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 7:15 PM

My vote for him in 2008 is making me more and more ill with each passing day.

besser tot als rot on March 8, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Wasn’t McCain complaining that the “wackos” like Rand Paul receive all the attention? This, from McCain who always has his mug in front of a camera somewhere. And his twin brother, Flimsy Graham too.

TarheelBen on March 8, 2013 at 7:15 PM

“Interventionist” is one of the kinder true words I can think of to describe John McCain.

alchemist19 on March 8, 2013 at 7:16 PM

The real question isn’t what McCain thinks……..it’s what do Rand Paul and Ted Cruz think!!

McCain/Bush/Romney/Ryan………….yesterday’s news.

gop……..turn the freaking page!

PappyD61 on March 8, 2013 at 7:16 PM

So am I, and I’m a Statist, Neo-Con Warmonger and I don’t support intervening, I mean being strong, in Libya and Syria..in fact how can we be “Strong” if our combat forces are scattered around the world, Senator?

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Syria, Georgia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, etc. You are an interventionist John.

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM

How long before the new iPhone app called “Wackobirds”?

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM

I’m glad I didn’t vote for this goof. I voted for the smarter 1/2 of the 2008 ticket.

When I hear him talk I cringe that he could have been President.

PappyD61 on March 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Lets see, which one is Tweedledum again?

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM

What me an interventionist? Yeah Johnny-you.You love us in Iraq and Afghanistan(didn’t matter how much blood and treasure we spent for people who hate us and want us destroyed)and you would love us to do the same in Libya and Syria,heck probably Egypt too if your pal Morsi needs you.Come on McClame you never saw an “intervention” you didn’t like,and never will.Now take your loverboy Lindsey and go fight the winless wars yourselves.

redware on March 8, 2013 at 7:19 PM

The real question isn’t what McCain thinks……..it’s what do Rand Paul and Ted Cruz think!!

McCain/Bush/Romney/Ryan………….yesterday’s news.

gop……..turn the freaking page!

PappyD61 on March 8, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Pappy, I sometimes get frustrated with you, but this is right on.

davidk on March 8, 2013 at 7:19 PM

If Timothy McVeigh had been known to authorities ahead of the OK City Bombing, could Obama have had a drone level his house with a missile? Sen. McCain? Bueller?

IndieDogg on March 8, 2013 at 7:20 PM

He’s worried that an American citizen might be declared an enemy combatant erroneously and then summarily executed by the president before he can contest that designation

That’s exactly what Paul said. In fact, if McCain had actually listened to Paul’s filibuster, he would’ve heard Paul reference the fact that Obama “erroneously” declared Congress to be on recess in order to make his political appointments; an action that was struck down by a federal court, in which they chided Obama for his gross overreach. Paul is concerned that such an “aggressive” exectutive, either this one or one in the future, will make a similar erroneous overreach with his “kill list”. Only then we’ll be cleaning up dead U.S. citizens and not illegal Labor Relations Board appointments. Perhaps McCain should sit down and listen to what’s actually being said by Rand instead of barking insults.

Weight of Glory on March 8, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Exit question: If McCain’s for “peace through strength” rather than “intervention,” can he name a circumstance in which, given a choice to intervene or not, peace through strength would be better served by not intervening?

Syria? As long as they are killing each other, they don’t have time to make mischief on Israel.

rbj on March 8, 2013 at 7:21 PM

When was the last time he opposed U.S. intervention, in any form, when it’s been on the table?

Southern border security?

Weight of Glory on March 8, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Thanks Arizona………… thanks a pant load………

ultracon on March 8, 2013 at 7:22 PM

McCain, listen, to someone else…Look Buster, he served in the Navy, for out of sense of DUTY, not to make money, he suffered in the Hanoi Hilton…He doesn’t need to listen to you! YOU need to listen to HIM!

And D@mn you and all that Free Speech, getting in the way of he and Graham striking a friend bargain with their Good Friend Obama to solve the Budget Crisis! It wold only take a small compromise on Revenues and it could be done, but instead people like you stick your ever-so smart noses into your betters businesses….just go back to being a plumber or something and leave the Government’ing to the experts!

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM

We’ll know soon: Paul and Ted Cruz are trying to get a Senate vote on an amendment that would end Obama’s drone power inside the U.S. against American citizens in the next few weeks.

Keep a sharp lookout for lobbyist/special interest transferring sums of money into Senate accounts that might vote against this amendment. And I mean BIG SUMS OF MONEY!

Rovin on March 8, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Maybe Katie Pavlich will press McCain on this when she primaries him in a few years.

YES!

petefrt on March 8, 2013 at 7:26 PM

McCain is part of the Republican leadership that managed to squander all of the political and popular gains of the Reagan and Gingrich revolut1ons. He and his ilk have, over the past two decades, “led” both the country and the party to the brink of disaster. And yet he’s going to condescend to Senator Paul for not doing things “properly.” Well, look where “properly” has brought us Senator McCain.

Rand Paul wasn’t just standing up to the president, he was standing up to party leadership as well.

29Victor on March 8, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Interventionists vs. Isolationists. Two extremes. Find the middle balanced path. The 2 extremes are quite stark in their ideological belief systems. This is also a proxy battle between defense Cons and fiscal Cons. This time around, atleast the SoCons ain’t being dragged into it. lol

tommy71 on March 8, 2013 at 7:27 PM

I think the thing this week that pissed me off most about McCain’s antics was while these young bucks were down on the Senate floor taking charge for my real interests. McCain and his ilk, were going down at the White house for some supper. Yep, that really pissed me off.

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 7:27 PM

He’s drunk, just like Rand and Lord Acton said.

Christien on March 8, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM

I’m hoping AP makes that part of The Quote of the Day. It’s pretty clear that Rand Paul, in that article, is building a coalition. He’s dropping Republican’s name and district who were there that night, allowing everyone to share in his stand against the administration. He even cites Mitch McConnell, which only issolates McCain and Graham even more. That article you link to in the WaPo was another very smart move for Paul.

Weight of Glory on March 8, 2013 at 7:29 PM

It’s just INSANE to believe that a president would target American citizens who posed no threat to anyone….except for Waco and Ruby Ridge…

29Victor on March 8, 2013 at 7:30 PM

First the was the “respectful” campaign which Sen McCain waged until he lost the election. Some supporters of, or the very organization of the guy who won later accused a Republican of killing innocent women by taking their insurance away.

Recently, there was the worry about questions concerning our POTUS’s citizenship might make the wing nuts look nutty. Nevermind that the whole failure to supply a birth certificate seems weird and have been over there and din’t care if he was from Indonesia, Kenya or even New Jersey. The question, do we need a weird POTUS who spends millions hiding a stupid of paper and may be a Manchurian candidate was never considered.

Now Sen. Paul is worried about our POTUS bombing Americans without due process.

Senator McCain is upset with Sen. Paul.

Repunlicans…they spend more time and energy fighting over what they should be fighting over than fighting the other side.

The bad spelling was deliberate.

IlikedAUH2O on March 8, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Rovin on March 8, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Soros?

petefrt on March 8, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Syria? As long as they are killing each other, they don’t have time to make mischief on Israel.

rbj on March 8, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Old news by now. Now that we have heavily armed “Syrian opposition”, aka Hamas/Hizbolla/Al Qaeda, and they have now taken UN Peace keepers as hostage, UN is pulling out their entire contingent from Golan Heights leaving no space between “opposition” and Israel. And as “opposition” already stated, once they are done with Assad, their next mission is to liberate Al Quds. We all know what that means.

So, now we have a better answer to Beghazi question and gun running to Hamas/Hizbolla/Al Qaeda on top of us training them in African camps. When next Israeli war starts, and this is not an IF by now, let’s keep remembering that it was our tax dollars that made it happen.

riddick on March 8, 2013 at 7:36 PM

When was the last time he opposed U.S. intervention, in any form, when it’s been on the table?

Southern border security?

Weight of Glory on March 8, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Heh.

davidk on March 8, 2013 at 7:36 PM

…”Sh!tting My Pants” on TV again!…Senator Senile

KOOLAID2 on March 8, 2013 at 7:36 PM

McCain just comes across as a grumpy old man anymore, maybe it’s time for him to retire. Part of the problem with our government is these old goats hanging on to the job far longer than they need to. They need to quit after a few terms and give someone else a chance. Someone with, you know, fresh ideas and perspectives, not the same old stale rhetoric year after year after year. Go home, John. Go relax.

scalleywag on March 8, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Honestly, as a statist, war-mongering neo-con I don’t think it would ever be UNTHINKABLE to use a Viper Strike on someone within the territory of the US. But I do think that we need a written policy based on something like the FBI’s Rules for Snipers….

99% of the time, peace officers DON’T fire, there are some fairly strict circumstances where they may…I’d like to see Holder & Co. tell me under what circumstances an armed drone would be appropriate.

Again, “Trust Me” is just not a phrase anyone should be comfortable with.

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Frankly, I’m not sure why he’s drawing the line at America’s borders; if you’re worried about an American being targeted in error, you should want due process for him no matter where he’s located. But that’s Paul’s concession to political reality, I think. He’s not putting up a fuss about Awlaki, a U.S. citizen killed in Yemen, because (a) the public’s happy on balance that Awlaki was taken out and (b) he’s more likely to raise awareness about executive overreach by painting a picture of Hellfires being fired at someone on a street in your neighborhood.

Allah

You might as well ask for a Pegasus to swoop down and carry the guy to Gitmo.

Rand’s concession to reality – it’s damn-near impossible to get these people now without sending another country into spontaneous combustion.

The whole reason we have a drone program is because we exhausted our ground option. No government with high-value targets is willing to cooperate with us, and this was before Barry professed his love for the “spring” movements.

budfox on March 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM

If Paul and/or Cruz submit a bill, they would be wise to use “person” and not just “U.S. citizen.” It’s right there at the start of the 5th Amendment, “No person shall be…”

If you’re going to do the right thing, don’t do it halfway.

Christien on March 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM

I have no idea why McCain picked this fight. I know why Graham did – he’s a brain-dead puppet that does whatever McCain tells him to.

They both look like fools.

bw222 on March 8, 2013 at 7:39 PM

…why did PTSD hit Senator Senile 50 years later?

KOOLAID2 on March 8, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Shut up, Mav!

vityas on March 8, 2013 at 7:42 PM

but instead people like you stick your ever-so smart noses into your betters businesses….just go back to being a plumber or something and leave the Government’ing to the experts!

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Anyone who thinks that they, personally, are so important to the proper functioning of this republic that they need to start a fifth Senate term in their 70s has no business being in government.

29Victor on March 8, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Me thinks the Lady Doth Protest Too Much! That line of questioning hit right to the Heart of what everybody knows, The TRAITOR-in-chief, will do given the opportunity… “Shoot first, then ask Christian Slater!” This also exposes Juan McLib, to his Collusion to Commit & Cover Up TREASON & DERELICTION OF DUTY, in the Benghazi and Fast & Furious Scandals! Never forget, the Louder a rino/LIB like Ol Juan McLib here screams, the closer you hit to home! So given his psychotic reaction, that should tell you, exactly what is being prepped for all the Gun Owners, Conservatives, Libertarians & Evangelicals! He just admitted, YOU HAVE A TARGET ON YOUR BACK!

God Bless America!

paratisi on March 8, 2013 at 7:45 PM

99% of the time, peace officers DON’T fire, there are some fairly strict circumstances where they may…I’d like to see Holder & Co. tell me under what circumstances an armed drone would be appropriate.

Again, “Trust Me” is just not a phrase anyone should be comfortable with.

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM

As I said above, have we already forgotten Ruby Ridge and Waco?

29Victor on March 8, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Someone with, you know, fresh ideas and perspectives, not the same old stale rhetoric year after year after year. Go home, John. Go relax.

scalleywag on March 8, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Or old ones like the Constitution.

davidk on March 8, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Ahhhh…..Maverick. Your A-4E just flamed out, your AIM-9s’ are out of date and you’re completely out of 20MM.

Retire to obscure senility please. Soon.

98ZJUSMC on March 8, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Either he’s misunderstanding Paul on drones or I am, because this sounds like a non sequitur:

He’s not the only one. Although Mark Levin was thrilled with the filibuster, he felt the need to clarify the definition of enemy combatants and non-combatants. Also on Bill Bennett’s show Thursday morning, it appeared that they didn’t understand the argument either. See, just like the people how didn’t get you hawk remark in the other thread.

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 7:48 PM

As I said above, have we already forgotten Ruby Ridge and Waco?

29Victor on March 8, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Not all of us…

Anyone who thinks that they, personally, are so important to the proper functioning of this republic that they need to start a fifth Senate term in their 70s has no business being in government.

29Victor on March 8, 2013 at 7:45 PM

He IS vital to the US, it seems you young whipper-snapper libertarian whacko bird-kids think you ARE the GOP, we you AREN’T see, he was tortured, see, he flew for the Navy, see. He knew Ronald Reagan, see…and you what do you know, NOT MUCH BUSTER….so shut up and stay outta my yard!

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM

McCain is part of the Republican leadership that managed to squander all of the political and popular gains of the Reagan and Gingrich revolut1ons. He and his ilk have, over the past two decades, “led” both the country and the party to the brink of disaster. And yet he’s going to condescend to Senator Paul for not doing things “properly.” Well, look where “properly” has brought us Senator McCain.

29Vict

I think of that very question every time I hear some talking head bloviate about how valuable “experience” is in Washington.

BD57 on March 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I think the thing this week that pissed me off most about McCain’s antics was while these young bucks were down on the Senate floor taking charge for my real interests. McCain and his ilk, were going down at the White house for some supper. Yep, that really pissed me off.

Bmore on March 8, 2013 at 7:27 PM

lol, You could do one where Mac “presents” like some animals do. He has been doing that for the dems as well as being a water carrier for quite some time.

I read he was mad at Hagel for endorsing Obama in 08. What’s the fuss, McCain himself did that.

arnold ziffel on March 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM

99% of the time, peace officers DON’T fire, there are some fairly strict circumstances where they may…I’d like to see Holder & Co. tell me under what circumstances an armed drone would be appropriate.

Again, “Trust Me” is just not a phrase anyone should be comfortable with.

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM

As I said above, have we already forgotten Ruby Ridge and Waco?

29Victor on March 8, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Exactly right.

Anyone who has been paying half attention to this socialist dictator wannabe should realize he would not hesitate to use unrestrained-by-the-Constitution deadly force against people hindering his agenda.

davidk on March 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Honestly, as a statist, war-mongering neo-con I don’t think it would ever be UNTHINKABLE to use a Viper Strike on someone within the territory of the US. But I do think that we need a written policy based on something like the FBI’s Rules for Snipers….

99% of the time, peace officers DON’T fire, there are some fairly strict circumstances where they may…I’d like to see Holder & Co. tell me under what circumstances an armed drone would be appropriate.

Again, “Trust Me” is just not a phrase anyone should be comfortable with.

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM

The argument isn’t that there should be NO scenario where the government kills a citizen without due process (via a drone or sniper or whatever) but that drones (and everyone else, really) operating in the US are not to follow military rules of engagement, but the same standards that law enforcement and the fbi need to follow… Namely, that unless there is an immediate threat (someone driving a tank toward a bus full of kids or whatever), killing is not justified and capture is the plan.

Any citizen accused of any crime in the US has the right to know that they will face their accuser, have their day in court, and be judged by a jury of their peers before any punishment is meted out. Having a president declare you an “enemy combatant” based on whatever intelligence he has in front of him and that you are an imminent threat and that you are to be assassinated does not come close to meeting the threshold of due process and a fair trial.

Timin203 on March 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

I still prefer waterboarding to death by drone.

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

McCain is part of the Republican leadership that managed to squander all of the political and popular gains of the Reagan and Gingrich revolut1ons.

*ding…ding…ding*

Thrown away, for some weird personal gain. Gingrich did a little of that, himself.

98ZJUSMC on March 8, 2013 at 7:52 PM

I think of that very question every time I hear some talking head bloviate about how valuable “experience” is in Washington.

BD57 on March 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Do not fool yourself it IS…you give me one Barney Frank versus up to 10 TEA Party Caucus members, and I’ll tell you who I bet on….Barney.

It may be unfair, but it’s true…experience counts…..

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:52 PM

I still prefer waterboarding to death by drone.

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Yep me too

gophergirl on March 8, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Interventionists vs. Isolationists. Two extremes. Find the middle balanced path. The 2 extremes are quite stark in their ideological belief systems. This is also a proxy battle between defense Cons and fiscal Cons. This time around, atleast the SoCons ain’t being dragged into it. lol

tommy71 on March 8, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Exactly.

Does anyone have Sarah Palin’s Facebook entry about foreign policy, which she posted before we intervened in Libya? I don’t do Facebook, and my saved files are a muddle.

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 7:53 PM

I read he was mad at Hagel for endorsing Obama in 08. What’s the fuss, McCain himself did that.

arnold ziffel on March 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM

“Fight With Me My Friends” has to be the worst campaign catch phrase ever to be spoken.

VegasRick on March 8, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Shut up, Mav!

vityas on March 8, 2013 at 7:42 PM

He’s not Maverick anymore.

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I guess McCain and his puppy will be out and around now on all the shows. Gotta get some face time and let the media know you’re still relevant after that filibuster.

JellyToast on March 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Timin203 on March 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

And I would agree, but I need it in LAW or an E/O…and in neither case should it have a weasel phrase like “…or unless ordered by a superior officer”….I’d give an opt out for either the Atty Gen’l OR the POTUS…they’d have to be the ones authorizing for uses other than some strictly specified ones….figure that might make them a little cautious in their use of an armed drone.

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Being old, Red Lobster calls my name….you all have a good thread.

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:56 PM

How did he confuse my calling him “sellout” with “interventionist” ??? That’s a big 3 syllable difference!

viking01 on March 8, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Frankly, I’m not sure why he’s drawing the line at America’s borders; if you’re worried about an American being targeted in error, you should want due process for him no matter where he’s located.

I’d disagree with you on that. The Constitution has legal jurisdiction as it pertains to its own territory. Once we’re in a foreign land, the same rules no longer apply. At that point all bets are off and my trigger finger gets a heck of a lot itchier.

Stoic Patriot on March 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM

egomania is always the enemy.

Speakup on March 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Do not fool yourself it IS…you give me one Barney Frank versus up to 10 TEA Party Caucus members, and I’ll tell you who I bet on….Barney.

It may be unfair, but it’s true…experience counts…..

JFKY on March 8, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Well, Bawney did get it in the end.

VegasRick on March 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM

the fact that McCain takes umbrage at the use of that term is

maybe the best evidence yet of a rising isolationist tide inside the GOP.

This is just silly. At least among those of us who aren’t part of the establishment. This isn’t an ‘interventionist vs. isolationist’ issue. That whole question misses the point. I’m no isolationist, but the point is that to engage in warfare, you have to do it intelligently and effectively and with a clear understanding of who your enemy is. Our enemy is Muslims. Nothing about what Rand Paul said in his filibuster contradicts that. He stated explicitly many times that he understands the difference between warfare on one hand and, on the other hand, unbridled Presidential power, which could obviously easily be abused by any President of any party. And I certainly wouldn’t put an abuse of that power past Obama, who I consider a traitor. McCain is clueless.

WhatSlushfund on March 8, 2013 at 8:00 PM

If Insane McCain had his way, we would have troops fighting for Muslims in all 57 Islamic states until the end of time.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:01 PM

McCain needs to read his former co-candidate, Sarah Palin’s, iteration of Reagan’s philosophy. She spelled it out before the “Libyan Adventure.” Let me see if I can locate it.

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 7:15 PM

I don’t know what Palin read but the following is what Reagan said in his book, and John McCain is most certainly the anti-Reagan, and that is putting it mildly. McCain is also the anti-Founding Fathers. Frankly, the man is nuts.

1. The United States should not commit its forces to military action overseas unless the cause is vital to our national interest.

2. If the decision is made to commit our forces to combat abroad, it must be done with the clear intent and support needed to win. It should not be a halfway or tentative commitment, and there must be clearly defined and realistic objectives.

3. Before we commit our troops to combat, there must be reasonable assurance that the cause we are fighting for and the actions we take will have the support of the American people and Congress.

4. Even after all these other tests are met, our troops should be committed to combat abroad only as a last resort, when no other choice is available.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM

And I certainly wouldn’t put an abuse of that power past Obama, who I consider a traitor. McCain is clueless.

Nah. McCain is a Quisling willing to betray his country for some unknown reason. He’s used up the capital he got during his military service and has in the last 15 years turned against his country. I’m fairly sure he’s just a high functioning wacko that shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near DC, or a woman so he wouldn’t reproduce. His daughter pretty much shows that insanity is heritable.

Quartermaster on March 8, 2013 at 8:07 PM

“Hey, kids! Get off of my lawn, er, bipartisanship lawn! And, turn that music, er, that squawking about the Constitution down! You’re violating the Constitution, which you swore to uphold, OK, scratch that, the rules of the Senate, er, the Most Powerful and Exclusive Club in the World and its Sense of Decorum, er, Sense of Seniority! And, don’t you make me tell you again or I’ll sic Senator Scarlett on you and he packs a mean curtain dress!”

- The “True” Maverick

#OldManSmell

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 8:08 PM

I guess McCain and his puppy will be out and around now on all the shows. Gotta get some face time and let the media know you’re still relevant after that filibuster.

JellyToast on March 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM

http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/03/07/republican-insider-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/

davidk on March 8, 2013 at 8:09 PM

McCain belongs in a high security mental institution for the criminally inane (for the criminally insane too), not in the U.S. Senate.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:09 PM

” to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids….”

Colonel Jack D. Ripper / John McVain

(from Dr. Strangelove)

viking01 on March 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Did they change the definition of interventionist to sniveling, senile media wh@re green with envy?

RovesChins on March 8, 2013 at 8:20 PM

So, you voted to confirm Brennan, McCain?

Look at what Oliver Know via Yahoo News noted about Brennan’s swearing in:

Oh, dear. This is probably not the symbolism the White House wanted.

Hours after CIA Director John Brennan took the oath of office—behind closed doors, far away from the press, perhaps befitting his status as America’s top spy—the White House took pains to emphasize the symbolism of the ceremony.

“There’s one piece of this that I wanted to note for you,” spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters at their daily briefing. “Director Brennan was sworn in with his hand on an original draft of the Constitution that had George Washington’s personal handwriting and annotations on it, dating from 1787.”

Earnest said Brennan had asked for a document from the National Archives that would demonstrate the U.S. is a nation of laws.

“Director Brennan told the president that he made the request to the archives because he wanted to reaffirm his commitment to the rule of law as he took the oath of office as director of the CIA,” Earnest said.

The Constitution itself went into effect in 1789. But troublemaking blogger Marcy Wheeler points out that what was missing from the Constitution in 1787 is also quite symbolic: The Bill of Rights, which did not officially go into effect until December 1791 after ratification by states. (Caution: Marcy’s post has some strong language.)

That means: No freedom of speech and of the press, no right to bear arms, no Fourth Amendment ban on “unreasonable searches and seizures,” and no right to a jury trial.

How … symbolic?

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 8:20 PM

With Brennan running the CIA, the CIA is now more a menace to America than a protector. They haven’t been, on balance, much of a positive for years anyway.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Sorry, steebo77, you beat me to it.

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM

@onlineanalyst Not bad. You’re wise in your thought process, and the macro view. Good for you, dude/dudette.

tommy71 on March 8, 2013 at 8:25 PM

“Senators McCain and Graham, you have sat too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 8:27 PM

CIA Brennan takes oath on draft Constitution — without Bill of Rights…

How fitting.

steebo77 on March 8, 2013 at 8:16 PM

We’re lucky he didn’t use the Quran.

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 8:27 PM

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Thanks, VorDaj. Palin was attributing her philosophy to Reagan, and these were the essential points.

onlineanalyst on March 8, 2013 at 8:28 PM

..October 13, 2008…”We have nothing to fear with Barrack Obama in the White House!”
…Senator Senile Mumbles McCain

KOOLAID2 on March 8, 2013 at 8:30 PM

What is really amazing is that these two idiots continue with their feetsie stumping. It was bad enough yesterday, but you know that their offices and social media accounts were just deluged with irate messages. I probably sent 50 or so tweets to both of them yesterday quoting their own words back to them about filibusters, executive privilege, congressional oversight, and other issues.

They couldn’t be more out of touch with what is really going on if they were in the deep recesses of a former al Qaeda cave in Afghanistan.

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Jimmy Carter must be smiling ear to ear as he is no longer America’s biggest embarrassment. If he has any class at all, and if he hasn’t already, he will send John McCain a nice thank-you card, and not one of those cheap ones either.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:34 PM

When was the last time he opposed U.S. intervention, in any form, when it’s been on the table?

Syria?

Theophile on March 8, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Frankly, I’m not sure why he’s drawing the line at America’s borders; if you’re worried about an American being targeted in error, you should want due process for him no matter where he’s located.

No, there is a difference. For practical purposes, the line is that if the sovereign power controlling the area allows us to detain and/or extradites the accused, then we have no business using force. If he is operating in areas that are either no-mans land, or controlled by our enemies, then we do have business treating him as an enemy.

I think that’s the standard we should be striving for. But “enemies” and “allies” are murky enough to lead to abuse, so at a bare minimum, we need to have an absolute that says if you ARE, unequivocally, in an area that we have sovereignty and control over, and you are not engaged in combat at that moment, then they have to arrest you.

RINO in Name Only on March 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM

“We want to capture these people, not kill them.”

“We?” Really? This is Obama’s strategy? Sorry, John. Wrong again.

rrpjr on March 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Does *anyone* think McCain is *not* a worthless piece of crap anymore? Any grace he earned as a military person was expended long ago. Now he’s simply an unbearable asshat.

Midas on March 8, 2013 at 8:37 PM

When was the last time he opposed U.S. intervention, in any form, when it’s been on the table?

Syria?

Theophile on March 8, 2013 at 8:35 PM

US Senator John McCain has said the US should intervene in Syria to help create safe zones and get arms and support to anti-Assad rebels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19908995

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM

If memory serves, the media usually whipped out that endearing nickname when he collaborated with Democrats, so it may be right to call him that now.

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM

(McCain’s) begging the question. Paul’s not worried about noncombatants being deliberately targeted. He’s worried that an American citizen might be declared an enemy combatant erroneously and then summarily executed by the president before he can contest that designation.

Like I wrote yesterday, McCain has taken up the “redirect the argument/change the subject” mantle of the Left’s to discredit, or try to, many a Republican and certainly now Rand Paul (and Cruz, among others).

Now McCain is blustering that he’s Mr. Defense and Reagan’s Legacy and Rand Paul and his supporters are somehow on the opposite of both of that.

What McCain doesn’t notice, or is refusing to acknowledge, is that a strong defense, an actual one, is big on the Bill of Rights and enforces our Constitutional liberties. Compromising both indicates a lapse of both ethics and defense capabilities, reveals corruption of purpose and ushers in tyranny if not implants it.

Or maybe McCain is just not intelligent enough or profound a-thinker adequately to understand that.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM

And what we’re hearing today and yesterday from McCain was exactly what his campaign was saying/doing to Republicans in McCain’s run for the Presidency while then McCain was pleased to play Mr. Oogey Besmircher while his campaign waged that ugliness on the rest of us.

I voted for the man when he ran but only because I did not want Obama to win. What I experienced from McCain’s core supporters, however, was one I won’t easily forget and it was as unnecessary as it was ugly.

Today, we see McCain himself presenting that and it explains why his Presidential campaigners were quite so nasty and disrespectful to and about the rest of us, especially us Conservatives.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 8:42 PM

US Senator John McCain has said the US should intervene in Syria to help create safe zones and get arms and support to anti-Assad rebels.

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM

And these “rebels” of McVain’s are you ones who will massacre, among others, the Christians there if they take over.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:42 PM

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