McCain: Who are you calling an “interventionist”?
posted at 7:07 pm on March 8, 2013 by Allahpundit
You’ll be pleased to know he managed to get through this without insulting Rand Paul, who told Mike Huckabee earlier today, with eloquent understatement, “I treat Sen. McCain with respect, I don’t know if I always get the same in return.” The key bit comes at 6:25 when Shep presses him, with barely concealed disdain, about his interventionist record; the fact that McCain takes umbrage at the use of that term is maybe the best evidence yet of a rising isolationist tide inside the GOP. We’re a long way from 2003 if the “super-hawk” of super-hawks feels obliged to distance himself rhetorically from intervention — although the invocation of Reagan is no surprise. Read George Will’s piece on that from 2011, back when McCain was demanding that America wade into Libya in Reagan’s name. Reagan, who pulled out of Lebanon after the Marine barracks bombing.
But let me focus on something else. Either he’s misunderstanding Paul on drones or I am, because this sounds like a non sequitur:
“About what is [Paul] confused?” Smith asked McCain.
“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted. “That’s just a fact. By the way, the reason why we use Hellfire missiles overseas in places like Yemen, we don’t have the ability to capture them. We want to capture these people, not kill them.”
He’s begging the question. Paul’s not worried about noncombatants being deliberately targeted. He’s worried that an American citizen might be declared an enemy combatant erroneously and then summarily executed by the president before he can contest that designation. In order to be on the safe side and make sure that never happens, Paul’s offering a bright-line rule that even a bona fide enemy combatant should receive due process if he’s a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil (unless, of course, he’s engaged in an attack when the feds finally catch up to him). Frankly, I’m not sure why he’s drawing the line at America’s borders; if you’re worried about an American being targeted in error, you should want due process for him no matter where he’s located. But that’s Paul’s concession to political reality, I think. He’s not putting up a fuss about Awlaki, a U.S. citizen killed in Yemen, because (a) the public’s happy on balance that Awlaki was taken out and (b) he’s more likely to raise awareness about executive overreach by painting a picture of Hellfires being fired at someone on a street in your neighborhood. He’s content, at least for now, to have some constitutional limit imposed on O’s counterterror powers, even if the scenario he’s drawn is unlikely. If McCain disagrees with that, if he really wants zero constitutional restraints on the commander-in-chief’s ability to name someone an enemy and then make war on him, even inside the United States, then he’s gone way beyond interventionism. We’ll know soon: Paul and Ted Cruz are trying to get a Senate vote on an amendment that would end Obama’s drone power inside the U.S. against American citizens in the next few weeks.
Maybe Katie Pavlich will press McCain on this when she primaries him in a few years. Exit question: If McCain’s for “peace through strength” rather than “intervention,” can he name a circumstance in which, given a choice to intervene or not, peace through strength would be better served by not intervening? When was the last time he opposed U.S. intervention, in any form, when it’s been on the table?
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UN out of US, US out of UN.
Rebar on May 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM
Leave Kermit Gosnell out of this.
Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM
It’s like having Gosnell babysitting your kids..
It’s like Al Qaeda running security for our Consultants..
It’s like have Barrack Obama Presiding over The United States..
Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM
The three biggest jokes in the world are the Nobel committee,green energy and the U.N.
NeoKong on May 14, 2013 at 8:48 PM
I have an idea. Quit the U.N. Charge these flea bags an exhorbitant rent in order to continue to use the building.
justltl on May 14, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Stop.UN.Funding>now.
Evict.UN.From.USA.
ladyingray on May 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM
5 billion!
That is a lot of Whitehouse tours that wouldn’t get cancelled
Ditkaca on May 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM
Which means that every year since the waning days of the Carter administration a bunch of diplomats have gotten together and accomplished absolutely nothing of value to the world. Declarations that gather dust. Treaties never ratified by the nations of the international community that matter. Etc.
So for 34 years of wasting the world’s time. Congrats or something. That Iran is presiding says all that one needs to know about the UN as an international organization.
Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM
The UN should move to Oslo.
Jocundus on May 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM
Aw, come on guys – fair suck o’ the sav! The UN is merely trying to drag the Iranians into the eighth century.
OldEnglish on May 14, 2013 at 8:57 PM
Because when a certain rat-eared coward leaves DC he has higher aspirations. Secretary General of an organization already so corrupt he will be mocked as the Mother Teresa of Turtle Bay.
Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:57 PM
The UN should never have existed. It cannot even stand theoretical scrutiny, let alone the twisted, unnatural entity it is in actuality. No one but the dimmest among us would even think that a peerless, competitionless, empowered entity should ever exist. It is an abomination – even in theory, as anyone with even a passing familiarity with evolutionary theory, capitalist theory, or just plain common sense knows.
The UN must be put to sleep. It’s well past time. It came to be in the wake of WWII as a reaction to the great trauma of the war – much like the idiotic name given to WWI in the same traumatic aftermath, as “THE War to End ALL Wars” … again, as if anyone with a brain thought that could possibly be true.
The UN was kept powerless and constrained during the Cold War, as reality kept it from having any real power, but the minute the USSR fell the UN started being truly empowered and took off on its grotesque and destructive growth – as any peerless, competitionless empowered entity is guaranteed to do.
End the UN and shun any idiot who supports it, since such a dolt is too stupid to be taken seriously in public and too dangerous to be allowed any power, at all.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 14, 2013 at 8:58 PM
Who cares? The UN is about as important as a prom committee. So what if they let Iran hire the DJ?
EricW on May 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM
I disagree. If not a rotational thing where the diplomats have to make new arrangements every few years, put the UN HQ in a place much closer to where the need is. Yemen or the Sudan comes to mind. They have become far too comfortable in Vienna, Geneva, and New York.
Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:00 PM
Screw IRAN and all the other Muslim countries who refuse to condemn Islamic terrorism.
TX-96 on May 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM
What else would we expect from the UN? And why do we keep funding it, even when GOP is in the WH?
Give us a president and Congress with spine, let them cut off our UN funding for four years, and let’s see what happens.
petefrt on May 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM
I’ve related this story before so, for the regulars, I am not trying to be redundant. When I took a tour of the UN (largely for intrest in the architecture) the propaganda experience was excruciating. Long corridors of displays about mine warfare and hunger- and all the good things the UN does with other organization’s and nations’ money.
We got to a particular point in the tour and were told that we had to stay in the public spaces because the UN is a working organization. My snort was not totally supressed.
Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM
Didn’t they also put Syria in charge of the human rights council several years ago?
/That or another totalitarian regime.
AZfederalist on May 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM
..so that means JugEars will send flowers?
KOOLAID2 on May 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM
…I think Somalia would be a better choice!
KOOLAID2 on May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM
get that un out of the us…
ridiculous
cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM
They remind me of the cantina scene from Star Wars IV.
“You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy”
kurtzz3 on May 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM
The comedy for me was listening to a missionary friend tell about a massive delivery of powdered milk from the UN to poor people in Africa, and how no one bothered to research that well over half (70% or more?) of the natives were lactose intolerant.
He said they used it as whitewash. Entire villages were suddenly white. All the nutrition and money wasted because the basics of the people they were “helping” were absolutely foreign to the people making the decisions.
You know, now that I think about it, it’s essentially the same mindset as most (D) one-size-fits-all arguments. Peas in a pod, I suppose.
rogerb on May 14, 2013 at 9:29 PM
On one level your story is funny. Lactose intolerant villagers making the best use of what they get from the United Nations.
But here’s the kicker to that. Whoever in the United Nations asked these people, or their governments, or the NGOs what they most needed. It is the kind of paternalism at the heart of any “humanitarian” efforts of the UN that makes me think the whole organization should be disbanded despite the sudden spike in unemployment among the idiot relatives of the world’s dictators.
Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM
Move the UN to Zimbabwe.
Manhattan’s brothels and pretentious restaurants hardest hit.
viking01 on May 14, 2013 at 10:11 PM
Whoa…deja vu all over again.
Must be a glich in the matrix.
justltl on May 14, 2013 at 10:28 PM
The UN has delusions of grandeur.
The proper response to the UN acting in an absurd manner is to start working around or indifferent to it. Hold meetings and conferences outside the UN’s structure. Most diplomacy already happens outside the UN. Its not as if the state department files for a meeting at the UN every time they want to talk to certain allies or even rivals.
The UN has a place in that it allows many nations to interact with each other at once at the same time. But the vast majority of diplomacy doesn’t require that sort of action.
How we underscore the irrelevance of the UN is by simply not using it. Its not that hard. Pick up the phone and talk to country B. Arrange a conference of all the countries you’d care to collect. Do not run it through the UN at all.
Do that enough and UN will have no one listening to them but Wilson the Volleyball.
Karmashock on May 15, 2013 at 10:02 AM
Elsewhere in Dar al-Harb, emboldened Wahhabists were arrested last night probing Boston’s water supply.
CDC has a duty to quarantine and test these perps.
This is likely either a dry-run (or an actual) bio-terrorism attack.
Terp Mole on May 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM