McCain: Who are you calling an “interventionist”?

posted at 7:07 pm on March 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

You’ll be pleased to know he managed to get through this without insulting Rand Paul, who told Mike Huckabee earlier today, with eloquent understatement, “I treat Sen. McCain with respect, I don’t know if I always get the same in return.” The key bit comes at 6:25 when Shep presses him, with barely concealed disdain, about his interventionist record; the fact that McCain takes umbrage at the use of that term is maybe the best evidence yet of a rising isolationist tide inside the GOP. We’re a long way from 2003 if the “super-hawk” of super-hawks feels obliged to distance himself rhetorically from intervention — although the invocation of Reagan is no surprise. Read George Will’s piece on that from 2011, back when McCain was demanding that America wade into Libya in Reagan’s name. Reagan, who pulled out of Lebanon after the Marine barracks bombing.

But let me focus on something else. Either he’s misunderstanding Paul on drones or I am, because this sounds like a non sequitur:

“About what is [Paul] confused?” Smith asked McCain.

“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted. “That’s just a fact. By the way, the reason why we use Hellfire missiles overseas in places like Yemen, we don’t have the ability to capture them. We want to capture these people, not kill them.”

He’s begging the question. Paul’s not worried about noncombatants being deliberately targeted. He’s worried that an American citizen might be declared an enemy combatant erroneously and then summarily executed by the president before he can contest that designation. In order to be on the safe side and make sure that never happens, Paul’s offering a bright-line rule that even a bona fide enemy combatant should receive due process if he’s a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil (unless, of course, he’s engaged in an attack when the feds finally catch up to him). Frankly, I’m not sure why he’s drawing the line at America’s borders; if you’re worried about an American being targeted in error, you should want due process for him no matter where he’s located. But that’s Paul’s concession to political reality, I think. He’s not putting up a fuss about Awlaki, a U.S. citizen killed in Yemen, because (a) the public’s happy on balance that Awlaki was taken out and (b) he’s more likely to raise awareness about executive overreach by painting a picture of Hellfires being fired at someone on a street in your neighborhood. He’s content, at least for now, to have some constitutional limit imposed on O’s counterterror powers, even if the scenario he’s drawn is unlikely. If McCain disagrees with that, if he really wants zero constitutional restraints on the commander-in-chief’s ability to name someone an enemy and then make war on him, even inside the United States, then he’s gone way beyond interventionism. We’ll know soon: Paul and Ted Cruz are trying to get a Senate vote on an amendment that would end Obama’s drone power inside the U.S. against American citizens in the next few weeks.

Maybe Katie Pavlich will press McCain on this when she primaries him in a few years. Exit question: If McCain’s for “peace through strength” rather than “intervention,” can he name a circumstance in which, given a choice to intervene or not, peace through strength would be better served by not intervening? When was the last time he opposed U.S. intervention, in any form, when it’s been on the table?



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And these “rebels” of McVain’s are you ones who will massacre, among others, the Christians there if they take over.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:42 PM

And the Alawites, Druze and Shia given time.

sharrukin on March 8, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Or maybe McCain is just not intelligent enough or profound a-thinker adequately to understand that.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM

It’s certainly one of the problems.

rrpjr on March 8, 2013 at 8:45 PM

I now actually believe that McCain would have made an even worse President than Obama. At the rate that McVain is going even more insane just imagine what he will be like if he lives another few years.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM


“About what is [Paul] confused?” Smith asked McCain.

“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted. “That’s just a fact. By the way, the reason why we use Hellfire missiles overseas in places like Yemen, we don’t have the ability to capture them. We want to capture these people, not kill them.”

Sen. McCain,

Would you be considered a enemy combatant if you resist gun confiscation in your own home or property? John Brennan answer, yes!

jjnco73 on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM

How long before the new iPhone app called “Wackobirds”?

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Or the one called, “Bird Poop On McCain”.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Or the one called, “Bird Poop On McCain”.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I’ll be first in line on iTunes for that one.

JannyMae on March 8, 2013 at 8:47 PM

How long before the new iPhone app called “Wackobirds”?

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Or the one called, “Bird Poop On McCain”.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Or the one called, “Guano on Johno”.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Mr CoCain and Mr Graham Cracker are both idiots and should not be allowed
out in public.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Frankly, I’m not sure why he’s drawing the line at America’s borders; if you’re worried about an American being targeted in error, you should want due process for him no matter where he’s located.

Levin covered this last night. If you’re over seas or on the sea and have thrown in with the enemy, you’re fair game. The founders understood is as well as Paul does.

jawkneemusic on March 8, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I have never thought of McCain as an interventionest. I have always thought of him as a war monger.
And I wish he would explain why he thinks water boarding is bad, even though no one dies and a doctor is standing by, but killing someone with a drone is humane.

fight like a girl on March 8, 2013 at 9:00 PM

P.S.: I don’t think waterboarding is torture.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM

“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted.

Notice that McCain never says that no American citizen on American soil will not be targeted.

fight like a girl on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted. “That’s just a fact. By the way, the reason why we use Hellfire missiles overseas in places like Yemen, we don’t have the ability to capture them. We want to capture these people, not kill them.”

Facepalm. This coming from the son and grandson of Admirals, a veteran, a POW, and a so-called expert on national security, the law of war, terrorism, blah, blah, blah…

The Supreme Court in Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1, 37-38 (1942), defined an “enemy combatant” as:

“Citizens who associate themselves with the military arm of the enemy government, and with its aid, guidance and direction enter this country bent on hostile acts are enemy belligerents within the meaning of the Hague Convention and the law of war.”

Terrorist groups such as al Qaeda are no more governments than the Weather Underground and the Red Army Faction were in the 1970s.

Joining Nazi Germany as an American citizen and fighting on a battlefield would make that “American” (he’d actually have had forfeited his citizenship) an enemy combatant. John Walker Lindh was an enemy combatant. These actors are engaged into combat or fighting for an enemy state ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

On the other hand, the Americans and Germans arrested during WWII on US soil, who were planning acts of sabotage, were UNLAWFUL COMBATANTS. Even though they were executed, both the Americans and Germans had access to counsel, a trial before a military tribunal and a right to appeal to the Supreme Court. They had, in other words, due process rights albeit much more limited in scope than a typical criminal defendant.

That McCain even raises the issue of “enemy combatants” vis-a-vis US soil exposes – yet, again – something that troubles me so much about his and Graham’s approach to “war.” They see the entire planet as a battlefield, including, conceivably, the United States. The US is NOT part of the battlefield. The Law of War does NOT apply on US soil unless martial law has been declared by the President in the course of repelling an invasion or putting down an insurrection; instead, the Constitution controls.

If the world is a battlefield and the Law of War applies, then the Constitution has the value of a single-square of Sheryl Crow’s used toilet paper.

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 9:18 PM

“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted.

Notice that McCain never says that no American citizen on American soil will not be targeted.

fight like a girl on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

BECAUSE THAT’S the issue. So McCain is avoiding it.

It’s not the Left’s “reinvention of the issue,” so McCain is not railing on about it.

McCain has taken up the Left’s “redirect the issue to something it isn’t for Leftwing political exploitation” method and tale.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 9:21 PM

If McAmnesty was in such a snit over Rand Paul’s filibuster, why wasn’t he in the Senate where he could have confronted him instead of dining with the president? He has proven time after time, that he is more at home with Democrats then he is with Republicans.

savage24 on March 8, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Now, what Rand Paul got was this:

It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: “Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?” The answer to that question is no.

Sincerely,

Eric H. Holder, Jr.

There’s a whole colony of weasel words there. We now have that Mr. Obama could use an anti-tank gun, or a bazooka, or a hand grenade, or a nuke — merely by reading between the words on this.

Now, did anyone ever, other than Rand Paul, believe that Mr. Obama might kill someone without due process, absent a firm and immediate threat to our nation?

Given that Mr. Obama has chosen to prosecute a foreign national, caught overseas in Turkey, in US courts, there’s no doubt that he would do the same for a US Citizen caught here in the United States who conspired to participate in terrorism. Anybody who thinks otherwise has drunk from the same Code Pink coolaid that the lefties used when George Bush was president. In fact, Code Pink signed on in support of Rand Paul.

The President has always had the right, in times of rebellion or insurrection (when Americans attack or might attack their own nation), to use military force to suppress said rebellion or insurrection. It has been used many times during our history — does anyone remember President Eisenhower’s decision to use the 101st Airborne to integrate Little Rock High School? That was a use of the Force Acts — which allow the President great leeway with regard to domestic use of military force. The Force Acts are certainly aligned properly with our Constitution…

Section 1021 of The National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 allows President Obama use of marshal law, but he has expressly disavowed use of this section, as he has of section 1022 which allows indefinite military detention — which may well be why he’s trying a terrorist in New York, an act which contravenes the Geneva Conventions and which may well weaken future a future President’s ability to react to external aggression.

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Senator Rand Paul: My Filibuster Was Just The Beginning

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Thanks for posting this. Sometimes with all of the threads and website comments, it’s easy to lose track of the beginning.

bluefox on March 8, 2013 at 9:27 PM

We’re lucky he didn’t use the Quran.

Curtiss on March 8, 2013 at 8:27 PM

THAT I would not bet on. We may simply not know.

I wonder how CIA operatives feel right now working for this guy. Clinton decimated CIA, Hussein just may finish it.

riddick on March 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Notice that McCain never says that no American citizen on American soil will not be targeted.

fight like a girl on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Mr. Paul stopped his filibuster without receiving any similar assurance. What we have is that Eric Holder has offered an opinion that the President does not have the right to use a weaponized drone on an American citizen on American soil who is not immediately involved in an act of terrorism.

In other words, Mr. Paul really got nothing at all — other than a chance to show that he can stand up to the President.

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

In other words, Mr. Paul really got nothing at all — other than a chance to show that he can stand up to the President.

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

+1

riddick on March 8, 2013 at 9:37 PM

When was the last time he opposed U.S. intervention, in any form, when it’s been on the table?

That is precisely the question. Hotair and most of conservative media has let off this senile traitor due to his being unfortunately tortured. Does this mean he can destroy the nation with his Hispandering, amnesty pushing, war for ever idiocy? He was pushing for boots on the ground against the Serbian Orthodox christians involved in a civil war with Muslims. Whose purpose would that have served? Its time for a real purge of these traitors in our midst – Lindsey Graham and John McCain can become Feinsteinian Democrats – for statism at home and perpetual interventionism abroad.

flawedskull on March 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Not to mention that these traitors would also sell out the First and Second amendments for their perpetual wars for democracy. Seriously Hotairites and conservatives, is a ‘war for democracy’ a conservative thing?

flawedskull on March 8, 2013 at 9:44 PM

He was pushing for boots on the ground against the Serbian Orthodox christians involved in a civil war with Muslims. Whose purpose would that have served?

flawedskull on March 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Between Clintons and McLaim they are fully responsible for unleashing islam hatred upon the world, they were the first ones to fully arm them and offer them full financial support. Even now in Africa and Syria, as this moron still insists on it.

riddick on March 8, 2013 at 9:46 PM

If the U.S. is part of the battlefield as McCain believes wouldn’t you think border security would be top priority?

iceman1960 on March 8, 2013 at 9:58 PM

McCain is overused, overdone, and overblown.

He’s an A-hole now, plain and simple. He thinks we should entertain him, when, he really needs to be put out to pasture.

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 10:00 PM

You, Interventionalist NeoCon McLAME, that’s who!

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 10:29 PM

SO McCain is in the Obama Sequestration camp? He really has lost his mind. That little part had me more furious than anything drone. And I suspect that was what his #dinnerwithBarack was about.

Marcus on March 8, 2013 at 10:35 PM

SENATOR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I’m calling you an exemplary combat veteran who suffered MUCH in the service of our country.

Please don’t ruin our memory of this, by up-staging yourself in a BAD LIGHT.

listens2glenn on March 8, 2013 at 10:37 PM

If the U.S. is part of the battlefield as McCain believes wouldn’t you think border security would be top priority?

iceman1960 on March 8, 2013 at 9:58 PM

ZING! The absolute shamelessness of McShame is disgusting. He’s for protecting Iraq’s borders from Iran, and patching the porosity of the AfPak border but is for a completely open southern US border, more mexican socialist voters for the Democrats and a destruction of civil liberties at home. He also hardly has any voice to raise against commie progressive spending programs and regulation. No, his focus is on two issues only – perpetual war for democracy and amnesty

flawedskull on March 8, 2013 at 10:50 PM

It’s shocking that he was last in his class. SHOCKING I SAY!

JeffinOrlando on March 8, 2013 at 11:24 PM

“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted.

Abdulrahman al-Awlaki a 16 year old US Citizen born in Colorado was unavailable for comment…as he was killed while eating dinner by a drone strike; along with everyone near him.

But that’s ok, his father was listed a terrorist, so killing him was acceptable. Remember, if your father was a bad person we can kill you… two weeks later… while you’re eating dinner.

Clearly we must save that dinner from the combatant here eating it.

Did the Republicans REALLY want this guy to be President? What The Hell!?

gekkobear on March 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM

SENATOR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I’m calling you an exemplary combat veteran who suffered MUCH in the service of our country.

Please don’t ruin our memory of this, by up-staging yourself in a BAD LIGHT.

listens2glenn on March 8, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I gave him his due a decade ago. Now he is a POS traitor to the Constitution and undeserving of America’s blessings. If the founding fathers were still around, they would have put him down like the rabid dog he is after first tarring and feathering him.

AH_C on March 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM

You are an interventionist hawk Mr. “we are going to be in Iraq another 100 years” senator. The only increase in spending you are fine raising borrowing and/or taxes for is defense, regardless of whether that money is efficiently spent or not. And you are more than happy to send troops around the world just for the sake of it, to show how strong we are or to get whoever you consider an Islamic Extremist when you get together with your pal Graham.

“Peace through strength” is not what you do Senator, and you are a disgrace to the memory of Reagan and Eisenhower (and even the GOP of the last century) for even consider yourself to have the same mindset. The GOP used to be the party that stopped the wars that liberals started. Now you are no different than they are.

You are nothing more than an opportunistic coward who will go the direction the wind is blowing to get what you want. You served the country as a soldier? Fine. Thank you for your service. As a senator you are a disgrace. Time to do something brave for a change senator: retire from politics.

ptcamn on March 8, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Senators McCain & Graham, If You Want Any Hawk In Your Foreign Policy, Cool It With The Squawk

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 7:54 PM

I read this article twice and Ace made good points and explained the issues clearly. I followed and agreed until he said the second sentence below. The first sentence is quoted in order to understand the second one that I disagree with. Surprised that Ace said it.

I actually don’t believe in Paulian pacifism and do believe in the need and justification for American intervention on a limited basis and in pursuit of a limited number of objectives.

If McCain also believes that – and of course he does – he would be wise to stop making the choice between the Ron Paul doctrinal peacenikism and the McCain Interventions Incorporated model. emphasis mine

I don’t agree that McCain agrees with Ace’s first sentence above and don’t understand why Ace would say that, considering everything he just wrote.

Thanks for posting this tho as it’s a good read!

bluefox on March 8, 2013 at 11:48 PM

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM

But Obama’s drone did kill Alawiki, an American citizen, when he wasn’t actively fighting. This is obviously different compared to US soil but it proves that Obama is t bending over backwards to bring anyone to court.

You also discuss Obama’s signing statement regarding section 1021 and 1022 of the NDAA of 2012. It matters little what he says after the NDAA is signed into law. Additionally, he can change his mind at anytime as signing statements aren’t law and do not hold the weight of law. Furthermore, the President doesn’t have the constitutional authority to suspend habeas corpus, only congress does.

MoreLiberty on March 9, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Second course Johnny Mac?

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 1:28 AM

So, after this latest debacle from the Conservative, TEA Party, Sarah Palin HATING GOP elitists, do you still trust them?

As the publication notes, many pundits attribute the lack of enthusiasm on the right over Mitt Romney’s candidacy to Romney’s and the Republican establishment’s snub of Palin and the Tea Party that won the GOP its House majority in 2010. The Republican establishment advisers were fearful of what their mainstream media bettors would think of them if they embraced the vice presidential candidate who has galvanized the Tea Party and the conservative base more than any other figure on the right over the last four years.

Having not learned their lesson, establishment Republicans, BizPacReview notes, “continue to attack Palin for no apparent reason.“

DannoJyd on March 9, 2013 at 1:35 AM

I am hoping that it will be the good people of Arizona who will do something about John McCain the next time he is up for re-election…….namely retire him from office once and for all.

McCain can call himself whatever he wants, and I will still think of him as nothing less than a COLLABORATOR who is partly responsible for the mess this country is in right now!

Instead of wining and dining with Obama on the night Rand Paul was giving his stirring filibuster, McCain should have been there on the Senate floor supporting Paul, for the good of the people of this country.

Instead,McCain proved he is indeed a RINO’s RINO!

I no longer have any respect in this man, nor do I trust him!

Again, Arizona, do the rest of us a favor and retire John McCain from office!

Do it for yourselves, do it for the rest of the country, but by God, DO IT!

pilamaye on March 9, 2013 at 5:33 AM

I now actually believe that McCain would have made an even worse President than Obama.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM

That’s not possible. Replace McCain’s name with any other name, and it still wouldn’t be possible.

HiJack on March 9, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Lindsey Graham and John McCain can become Feinsteinian Democrats

flawedskull on March 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised to see these guys switch parties, actually.

HiJack on March 9, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Dumb and drunk with power.
And 100% USDA Prime Republican.

Sen. John McVain, R-DC.

james23 on March 9, 2013 at 8:18 AM

McLame got a seat at the power table the other night which will be pulled out from under him by dear leader the first time it becomes politically necessary. There’s a new game in town and we need the A team on the field. He’s still playing around with the same old same old politics in DC, with the country in the balance. I thought he was a doddering old fool in ’08 but voted for him anyway, actually my vote was more for SP. I would like my vote back.

Kissmygrits on March 9, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Weight of Glory on March 8, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Perfectly stated.

ctmom on March 9, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Maybe Katie Pavlich will press McCain on this when she primaries him in a few years.

Just saw this ^… Awesome.

Fallon on March 9, 2013 at 9:18 AM

I would like to see some “getting along” between McCain and Rand Paul and Lindsey Graham.

Fleuries on March 9, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Over 10,000 mostly negative comments on McCains Facebook page. Wonder if he is getting the message. I gave up Twitter for lent, anyone know what his timeline looks like?

ctmom on March 9, 2013 at 9:39 AM

I guess it would be unthinkable for this outdated RINO to expend the same amount of energy to criticize the administration. What an a**hole and a typical elitist, piece of good ‘ole boy, DC, crap. A legend in his own mind.

ultracon on March 9, 2013 at 10:02 AM

You’re a trickster Shep. That was an imposter. The real John McCain would have mentioned “The Surge”.

Catahoula on March 9, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass Johnnie!

RdLake on March 9, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Resist We Much on March 8, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Janet Incompetano released a video and a document in which she enumerated many potential terrorist groups within the US.

I’ll bet this old idiot would also tell you the President would never give guns to Mexican drug cartels or allow US citizens (including and Ambassador) to be murdered on foreign soil, if there was anything he do to prevent it.

Senator, you’re either full of shit, or the stupidest numbnut on the planet.

dogsoldier on March 9, 2013 at 10:41 AM

This wasn’t about drones. It was about getting Obama and Holder to admit in front of the world that Presidential Power is limited.

Rand Paul is the first one to draw blood on Obama this term, and he showed how it can be done.

More please…

HopeHeFails on March 9, 2013 at 10:45 AM

McCain has over-leveraged his POW status. He has lost credibility and no longer is the voice of reason nor does he represen most Americans. He has not heeded the lessons of his failed candidacy. McCain is now just another pandering politician with his hand in the cookie jar. His “dinner” with Obama demonstrates his lack of understanding of the economic plight of most Americans….$1200 per head, paid for by the tax payers; the perfect Obama pawn.

He needs to retire.

phoebe1 on March 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM

McCain has gone further than anyone else of similarly low intelligence that I know of. Seriously, the man is not bright, and like many people of inferior intellect he takes everything personally and is unable to control either his emotions or his mouth.

Rogervzv on March 9, 2013 at 11:54 AM

McCain would have us arm and fight all over the world. He’ll send guns to rebels in Libya and Syria but would allow for “reasonable” gun laws here in America. Americans don’t need “weapons of war” you see. Our tax dollars go to arm Muslim rebels that don’t like us and he’ll likely take away our guns.

oryguncon on March 9, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I now actually believe that McCain would have made an even worse President than Obama. At the rate that McVain is going even more insane just imagine what he will be like if he lives another few years.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM

It was my fear that, were he elected, he would set conservatives back in ways that would be far worse than any positive impact he’d have. This convinces me I was right.

JannyMae on March 9, 2013 at 12:18 PM

While I oppose McCain and his interventionist tendecies, I will give him this: he is the only neocon I am aware of, who has children in the military. Most others (Bill Kristol, John Podhoretz, etc.) are more than happy seeing other peoples’children being maimed or killed for their cause.

bw222 on March 9, 2013 at 12:27 PM

I now actually believe that McCain would have made an even worse President than Obama. At the rate that McVain is going even more insane just imagine what he will be like if he lives another few years.

VorDaj on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Would conservatives and the country be better off had Al Gore defeated George Bush in 2000? Gore would have screwed things up as bad as Obama and we might be rebuilding our country in 2013 rather than watching it continue to rot.

bw222 on March 9, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Serenity in Senility

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM

…I always get a bile body feeling when I see the image of JugEars ANYWHERE!…now I’m starting to get nauseous every time I see a reflection of Senator Senile anywhere…I’m sick of feeling sick!

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Serenity in Senility

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Excellent – you’re getting as good as AP. This is what he used to do.

Schadenfreude on March 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Schadenfreude on March 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Actually at the risk of sounding immodest, I’m better than Allah ever was. ; )

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Serenity in Senility

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM

…ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!…that’s gooooooooooooood!

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2013 at 1:39 PM

This must have pained the (AP) Administration Press to write this. It just shows how they will go to ANY LENGTHS to steal the right of the serfs to defend themselves against tyranny.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-enterprise-nixon-wished-total-handgun-ban-175805078.html

Nixon Wished for Total Handgun Ban

Few presidents in modern times have been as interested in gun control as Richard Nixon, of all people. He proposed ridding the market of Saturday night specials, contemplated banning handguns altogether and refused to pander to gun owners by feigning interest in their weapons.

Several previously unreported Oval Office recordings and White House memos from the Nixon years show a conservative president who at times appeared willing to take on the National Rifle Association, a powerful gun lobby then as now, even as his aides worried about the political ramifications.

“I don’t know why any individual should have a right to have a revolver in his house,” Nixon said in a taped conversation with aides. “The kids usually kill themselves with it and so forth.” He asked why “can’t we go after handguns, period?”

We all knew that Nixon was a Progressive that gave us OSHA and the EPA, and price controls but thank goodness he didn’t go after the handgun issue.

PappyD61 on March 9, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Schadenfreude on March 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM

To clarify what I mean a wee bit. My stuff is still out there. Still being produced on a daily basis. Allah has stopped producing and very very little of his old stuff is out there to be found. Its as if he never existed.

Bmore on March 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM

But Obama’s drone did kill Alawiki, an American citizen, when he wasn’t actively fighting. This is obviously different compared to US soil but it proves that Obama is t bending over backwards to bring anyone to court.

You also discuss Obama’s signing statement regarding section 1021 and 1022 of the NDAA of 2012. It matters little what he says after the NDAA is signed into law. Additionally, he can change his mind at anytime as signing statements aren’t law and do not hold the weight of law. Furthermore, the President doesn’t have the constitutional authority to suspend habeas corpus, only congress does.

MoreLiberty on March 9, 2013 at 12:06 AM

I have no problem going after terrorists — and I have no problems if the collateral damage includes American Citizens. Remember who was in the car with Mr. Awlaki when all were sent to meet Allah — Ibrahim Al-Binna.

The fact that Mr. Obama has yet to use sections 1021 or 1022 says a lot. Remember, those sections have been in the Defense Authorization Acts since 2006, including under Bush — and neither Bush nor Obama have used the provisions. Of course, in 2006 it was the liberals whining about the President having these abilities, which they felt countervailed the Constitution, and we conservatives were reminding them that we are at war and these laws give the President great flexibility in protecting us without harming the basic rights upon which our society is founded. Here we are in 2013 and I’m seeing quite a reversal — now it’s the liberals remaining silent while the conservatives rage on about rights. It seems that only the Pauls have remained somewhat consistent — Ron Paul didn’t like it in 2006, and Rand Paul doesn’t like it now — but their reasons are suspect, given all of the stuff Ron Paul published back in the day…

unclesmrgol on March 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM

In other words, Mr. Paul really got nothing at all — other than a chance to show that he can stand up to the President.

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Not true. He scored a major political victory. You see he got on TV, he got attention not just for himself, but for the issue itself, and managed to make Obama and the Republicans who were having dinner with Obama at the time look bad. So in one brilliant political move he became a national politician, smacked down the leader of the opposition party, and marginalized his political enemies in his own party.

No matter what you think of Rand Paul, he is NOT is father’s son on political intelligence. I also happen to believe that unlike his father he is a realist.

We’re a long way from 2003 if the “super-hawk” of super-hawks feels obliged to distance himself rhetorically from intervention — although the invocation of Reagan is no surprise. Read George Will’s piece on that from 2011, back when McCain was demanding that America wade into Libya in Reagan’s name. Reagan, who pulled out of Lebanon after the Marine barracks bombing.

McCain is clueless about history as well. Reagan was not an interventionist with our own troops. He focused on one major foreign policy problem, the Soviet Union, and ignored almost everything else. He did not send our troops out on endless peace keeping missions and involved out troops in civil wars with jihadist on both sides. We need a lot more of the Andrew Jackson school of foreign policy, which basically says we don’t go to war much but when we do we put the other guys lights out. We have too many Woodrow Wilson school types who want to get involved everywhere but do it in a half assed way that ends up accomplishing nothing. Today we have one major foreign policy test, that is managing the rise of China. The Islamic world is dangerous and needs to be monitored but they are inferior militarily and the Islamic world is a strategic backwater. China on the other hand is a different problem with the potential to be a major problem to us.

William Eaton on March 9, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Say, Sen. McCain, what are your positions for intervention on: Libya, Syria, and Mali?

Just asking!

ajacksonian on March 9, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Now just because John McCain is a crotchety old senile coot is no reason to taint his miserable character.

SparkPlug on March 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM

In other words, Mr. Paul really got nothing at all — other than a chance to show that he can stand up to the President.

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

That is a huge misread of what he accomplished. An obscure freshman Senator from Kentucky succeeded in capturing the media narrative, putting the White House on the defensive after they had been steamrolling the GOP, and laid the ground work for a seismic shift in Republican foreign policy (which is why McCain and Graham are flipping out). Republicans are relevant again.

to quote Joe Biden, this is a big f’ing deal.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 4:45 PM

The Islamic world is dangerous and needs to be monitored but they are inferior militarily and the Islamic world is a strategic backwater. China on the other hand is a different problem with the potential to be a major problem to us.

William Eaton on March 9, 2013 at 3:39 PM

And aside from monitoring and containing terrorism, we wouldn’t even have to be involved with the Middle East were we to exploit our own natural resources here at home. It really should be an irrelevant region of the world. As for Iran and nukes, why not let Israel deal with it?

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 4:51 PM

McCain would have us arm and fight all over the world. He’ll send guns to rebels in Libya and Syria but would allow for “reasonable” gun laws here in America.

oryguncon on March 9, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Guns to Libya and Syria were and are sent there even without McLame’s help or intervention. And we’re fighting all over the world (ME and Africa) without his intervention as well.

I am not defending him in any way, but his non-election has not fixed this particular issue in any way. On the other hand, all of this just could have been avoided with his election since he, at least I hope so, would have gone through Congress (as DICTATED BY LAW) for this and we just might not have done the deeds that are and will bite us back big time. Osama bin Laden, anyone?

riddick on March 9, 2013 at 4:52 PM

There is an old saying “when you’re in hole, quit digging”. Maybe he should just be quiet at this point.

Tater Salad on March 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Branson, Missouri where singers that can’t sing anymore go to entertain their old fans that don’t hear all that well.

Couldn’t we have something for McCain and his friends?

Somewhere they could go to preen and puff and posture for each other and get the hell out of the way of the rest of us?

countrybumpkin on March 9, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Jeb Junior must be feeling the push to the right after Rand Paul and his hispanic competition Ted Cruz went filibuster last week.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rubio-vote-no-continuing-resolution-unless-health-care-202855803–politics.html

Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio announced on Thursday night that he would support a continuing resolution—a spending bill that would keep the government funded through the fiscal year—but only if it strips funding from the Democratic health care law that passed in 2009.

Rubio made the announcement during an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt, saying he will vote for an amendment to the continuing resolution that defunds the Affordable Care Act. But if that doesn’t pass, Rubio said, he won’t support the final spending package. (With Democrats in control of the Senate, any move to defund the health care law will be rejected.) The House and Senate must come to an agreement on funding levels by March 27, the date that the last stopgap measure expires, or face a government shutdown.

“If that gets onto the bill, in essence if they get a continuing resolution and we vote on [defunding the Affordable Care Act] and we can pass it onto a bill, I will vote for a continuing resolution, even if it’s temporary,” Rubio said.

….of course, he might change his mind. Or he might not, or he could, or couldn’t. Before, during, or in the middle of the debate, or if it happens on Tuesday, or maybe one of the other 6 days of the week. But he’s firm.

PappyD61 on March 9, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Will McCain call out Rubio as a “WACKOBIRD”?

PappyD61 on March 9, 2013 at 5:30 PM

My vote for him in 2008 is making me more and more ill with each passing day.

besser tot als rot on March 8, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Tell yourself you were voting for Palin. At least she’s a conservative.

kim roy on March 9, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Sadly, McCain has become a senile weakling no longer able to differentiate enemies of the Constitution across the aisle from “my friends” across the aisle. He now coddles the very forces he fought against as a pilot. He enabled Ogabe through unwillingness to challenge that hopeyful dictator.

also see: Hindenburg and Adolf, 1933

viking01 on March 9, 2013 at 5:56 PM

“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted.

And an “enemy combatant” is anybody that the ruling class decides it is, without any due process. That’s why the founding fathers gave us the right to a speedy trial of impartial jurors comprised of our peers, to stop fascist buckets of crap like McCain and Obama and their useful idiots, like Bill Kristol and Andy McCarthy.

FloatingRock on March 9, 2013 at 6:01 PM

McCain is just Obama in a grumpy old man suit.

kregg on March 9, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I voted for McCain-Palin on the outside chance that an eagle would drop an anvil on his head early in his term.

countrybumpkin on March 9, 2013 at 6:08 PM

to quote Joe Biden, this is a big f’ing deal.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Absolutely right.

rrpjr on March 9, 2013 at 6:15 PM

That is a huge misread of what he accomplished. An obscure freshman Senator from Kentucky succeeded in capturing the media narrative, putting the White House on the defensive after they had been steamrolling the GOP, and laid the ground work for a seismic shift in Republican foreign policy (which is why McCain and Graham are flipping out). Republicans are relevant again.

to quote Joe Biden, this is a big f’ing deal.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 4:45 PM

a) I don’t quote Mr. Biden.

b) If you read Mr. Holder’s letter (which I’ve quoted above in its entirety) Sen. Paul got absolutely nothing.

c) It lasted one news cycle, and Mr. Paul said enough strange things during the filibuster that, in his next run for public office, he will be fighting himself.

d) I don’t think there will be a sea change in American foreign policy — that’s a pipe dream of the Paulbots. To do so is to cede the world to the Chinese and will cause the fight against the terrorists to return to our soil. We certainly deserve what happens to us if we do that.

e) Republicans have been relevant, no matter what happened this electoral cycle. The Democrats have bought many votes, and the payment will come due in our children’s time.

unclesmrgol on March 9, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Only the American people, an impartial jury of peers, can grant the government to deprive another American of life, liberty or property. The ruling class does not have that right, IMO, except in the case of a war, but if they try to claim that the whole world is a war, a war without end, then they are in violation of the civil contract and as far as a lot of people are concerned, that will not stand.

FloatingRock on March 9, 2013 at 6:28 PM

but if they try to claim that the whole world is a war zone, a war without end

Obama and the neocons are essentially declaring martial law, suspending the Constitution and Bill of Rights by fiat whenever it’s convenient for the ruling class. They are un-American and unfit for power.

FloatingRock on March 9, 2013 at 6:38 PM

a) I don’t quote Mr. Biden.

b) If you read Mr. Holder’s letter (which I’ve quoted above in its entirety) Sen. Paul got absolutely nothing.

c) It lasted one news cycle, and Mr. Paul said enough strange things during the filibuster that, in his next run for public office, he will be fighting himself.

d) I don’t think there will be a sea change in American foreign policy — that’s a pipe dream of the Paulbots. To do so is to cede the world to the Chinese and will cause the fight against the terrorists to return to our soil. We certainly deserve what happens to us if we do that.

e) Republicans have been relevant, no matter what happened this electoral cycle. The Democrats have bought many votes, and the payment will come due in our children’s time.

unclesmrgol on March 9, 2013 at 6:27 PM

a) I don’t call him “Mr.”

b) Incorrect, he got them to respond. One man, one state, one cause, and he got a written response from them. Holder may have used slippery wording by specifying drone attacks only, but really now, how is hiding behind legal wording going to benefit the White House in the eyes of the public? Rand Paul created sufficient pressure to draw a response, meaning he won the moral argument and now he can press forward with Ted Cruz on their amendment against Obama’s use of executive force; he’s just getting started.

c) No, it is still being talked about and will continue to be as he pushes his amendment with Cruz and further challenges Obama’s executive authority on such matters. The only other thing he said during his filibuster was in regards to Lochner, and considering Paul’s slick rhetorical skills compared to Romney, McCain, or his own father, I look forward to hearing him take on progressives and argue in favor of the worker’s right to contract.

d) Paulbots? Who talks like that? I am no “Paulbot”, and interventionism has killed the Republican party. I am against Ron Paul’s stubborn isolationism, but Rand Paul should be judged as his own man and not just by his last name.

“Cede the world to China”? Our dire fiscal situation and devalued currency is what weakens us against China, I’ll put Rand Paul up against any other Republican when it comes to returning to fiscal solvency.

Thanks to McCain and Graham melting down, there is already an active debate going on in Conservative media about where we need to go with out foreign policy, and at least on talk radio Paul has the advantage.

e) Republicans aren’t relevant because they can’t connect with neither their base nor the nation as a whole. They have no leader, they have no message, they have no identity, and this is a void Rand Paul stepped in to fill. It’s one step, but it is a beginning of a greater struggle within the party.

As for the children, they are voting for Obama and the only Republican to break through to them lately was Rand Paul. Not McCain, not Graham, and not the boy wonder Rubio who will be bald by the time 2016 comes around.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Just because john McCain is an old geezer that needs to be sent to the glue factory doesn’t mean you should wish ill of him.

SparkPlug on March 9, 2013 at 7:29 PM

unclesmrgol on March 9, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I have to stress this again: using dysphemisms like “paulbot” does nothing to strengthen your position. Like “whackobird”, it takes away from it.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 7:32 PM

“No one is going to be struck by a Hellfire missile, from a drone, that is not an enemy combatant,” McCain asserted. “That’s just a fact. By the way, the reason why we use Hellfire missiles overseas in places like Yemen, we don’t have the ability to capture them. We want to capture these people, not kill them.”

And Jews in 1930s Germany were constantly assured the Nazis had no intention of harming them.

Sorry Senator you are a senile old man. Go home to your trophy wife, idiot daughter, and memories of the past (while you still have them). Leave the leading to men and women of character, integrity, and principle.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I have to stress this again: using dysphemisms like “paulbot” does nothing to strengthen your position. Like “whackobird”, it takes away from it.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Sorry but I, for one, am not a fan of the cult following of Ron Paul and do not fully trust Rand Paul as a result.

If you don’t like the assorted pot-heads and isolationists that supported the racist doctor and don’t like the term Paulbot; what should we call them.

Because keep this in mind. Ron Pauls groupies are as scary as all these Obama-loving leftists. This nation runs best on the rule of law not the cult of personality.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

…I always get a bile body feeling when I see the image of JugEars ANYWHERE!…now I’m starting to get nauseous every time I see a reflection of Senator Senile anywhere…I’m sick of feeling sick!

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2013 at 12:52 PM

I’ve had that projectile urge for at least a decade now. I totally sympathize with Dreyfus regarding his nemesis, next I’ll probably develop an eye tic whenever I see the 3 amigos and their minkey up in the WH.

AH_C on March 9, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Sorry but I, for one, am not a fan of the cult following of Ron Paul and do not fully trust Rand Paul as a result.

If you don’t like the assorted pot-heads and isolationists that supported the racist doctor and don’t like the term Paulbot; what should we call them.

Because keep this in mind. Ron Pauls groupies are as scary as all these Obama-loving leftists. This nation runs best on the rule of law not the cult of personality.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Don’t call them anything and judge Rand Paul on his words and actions. Paulbot, Palinista, Mittwit; all of these are childish and immature insults that take away from the very serious issues that need to be discussed. If you want to use those terms, go ahead, but you’ll be about as effective as McCain was with “whackobird”. Not everyone is a Ron Paul fanatic, I certainly as hell am not.

I don’t like cult of personality myself. I have run into cultists for a number of candidates on this site, but I am willing to give the candidates themselves a chance. Ron Paul lost me long ago, but his son has already shown signs of pragmatism that enraged his father’s followers. He is crafty, and on this filibuster, he was right.

Daemonocracy on March 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

What a shame it is that you cannot see the trees from the forest.

Rand Paul is a TEA Party candidate who won not because of his father, but because of the conservatives and libertarians that worked to get him elected.

Yes, we know how you are one of the blind GOP elitist followers that could not care less if your beloved politician is actually a liberal that loves to attack the people making up the base of the Republican Party, but there is no law in America forcing you to think. IMHO, that is why people need to pass simple tests before they are allowed to vote.

Thanks to folks like you, 0bama won the election he had ZERO chance of winning before the GOP elitists got involved. Remember ABO? Your GOP changed it to ABC [anyone but [a] conservative].

Don’t bother clicking on this link. I wouldn’t want your illusions to be weakened by facts.

DannoJyd on March 10, 2013 at 4:03 AM

This is what upsets the GOP elitist RINO’s the most:

Next Brian Williams went and got F. Chuck Todd who is their political director, White House correspondent, whatever, and F. Chuck had a report here on this thing that happened, this change.

TODD: There’s something about Washington that seems different. Suddenly it’s a place where Republicans meet with a Democratic president for dinner. Suddenly it’s a place where a Senator who has an objection channels his inner Mr. Smith from the old Jimmy Stewart movie and actually goes to the floor of the US Senate to filibuster rather than hide behind some sort of congressional mumbo jumbo. Is this a brief respite or is something happening here?

RUSH: And they are terribly worried that there’s something happening there and that they are being left out of it. The power supposedly was at that dinner table. But it wasn’t. It was on the floor of the Senate.

DannoJyd on March 10, 2013 at 4:35 AM

I don’t recall wacko birds in the Lord of the Rings. However, if there had been wacko birds, I’m sure they were on the hobbits side and that is why McCain doesn’t like them.

Seriously, why is it McCain is always so polite to “his friends on the other side of the aisle” but not to conservatives in his own party. And why isn’t the media calling for a nicer, gentler “tone” in DC when a sitting senator is so rude to his own party?

Ibanez Lotus on March 10, 2013 at 12:11 PM

He’s not the only one. Although Mark Levin was thrilled with the filibuster, he felt the need to clarify the definition of enemy combatants and non-combatants. Also on Bill Bennett’s show Thursday morning, it appeared that they didn’t understand the argument either. See, just like the people how didn’t get you hawk remark in the other thread.

Cindy Munford on March 8, 2013 at 7:48 PM

I was listening to Bill the other morning and I was surprised that he didn’t seem to understand the slippery slope we are on. The Patriot Act was presented with a sunset provision that was later removed and this act lead to the NDAA. What will the NDAA lead to?

Bill is really big on the Constitution and his shows are usually thoughtful and interesting. Whether or not it’s absurd to think Obama would drone Americans is beside the point. The President should not have the power of judge, jury, and executioner over Americans. Bill mentioned that we are in a war and needed to cede certain rights in a time of war, but this war looks endless to me. Bill then compared it to the submarine incident in WWII, but to me there isn’t a comparison. Those traitors were dealt with by military tribunal and the definition of enemy was very clear.

How can political pundits not understand the concern of many Americans that the President is granted such power at the same time many politicians around the country are trying to subvert the 2nd amendment? At the same time the Justice Dept. is listing veterans and tea party activists as possible threats, but refuses to call the Islamic threat terrorism. We are living in Orwellian times where up is down.

Ibanez Lotus on March 10, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Wake up AllaPundit don’t be such a tool! McCain and Paul are just playing black hat vs white hat to the audience, they both are slugs on the body of the citizens, both are whores to the cheep labor lobby!

el Vaquero on March 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM

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