Insurers raise California health care rates; state officials doth protest

posted at 12:21 pm on March 8, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

California was the first state to eagerly volunteer to get crackin’ on implementing ObamaCare, but with thousands of insurance premiums all set to get more expensive for consumers, state officials are busily trying to blame the symptoms instead of the disease — as blue-state progressives are wont to do. The LA Times reports:

Officials at the California Department of Managed Health Care said increases that average more than 11% for about 47,000 individual and small-business policyholders of Blue Shield and Aetna were unreasonable. But state officials don’t have the authority to reject changes in premiums, and increasingly health insurers refuse state demands to lower rates.

“I am disappointed that after lengthy negotiations, Blue Shield and Aetna were unwilling to bring their proposed health plan increases down to a reasonable level,” said Brent Barnhart, director of the Department of Managed Health Care. …

Blue Shield, a San Francisco nonprofit insurer, said the latest rate increases for nearly 30,000 individual customers, which became effective Friday, were justified based on rising medical costs and continued losses in its individual business. Some of its policyholders are paying as much as 20% more. …

State officials are also getting upset that health insurers are “charging people more this year to recoup fees related to the federal healthcare law that don’t take effect until next year” — but what was it that they were expecting, exactly? Legislators and regulators can talk themselves blue in the face about what they think the appropriate prices should be, but that’s just not how it works; insurance companies calculate their risks and set their prices from there, and ObamaCare requires them to take on a heck of a lot more risk.


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Cause and effect are a mutha’

CDeb on March 8, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Californication.

Bitter Clinger on March 8, 2013 at 12:25 PM

What don’t you racist private business owners not understand about the term free?

Bishop on March 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

If only someone has predicted this…..

CDeb on March 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Progs: “How dare you react to our legislation!”

slickwillie2001 on March 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

sometimes reality sucks…deal with it suckers…

RedInMD on March 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

BREAKING:

Healthcare insurers in CA did not get WH memo; Raising rates instead of lowering

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Look on the bright side, Cal progs:

Since toys were banned in happy meals, no one will needs to see the doctor anymore, amirite?

CDeb on March 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Surely there has to be tax that hasn’t been raised in the last day or 2 by all the deep thinkers in CA that will return everything to Utopia and solve the problem.

gsherin on March 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

State officials are also getting upset that health insurers are “charging people more this year to recoup fees related to the federal healthcare law that don’t take effect until next year”

And Obamacare takes credit for the “gains” and ignored the costs in the CBO analysis.

Feature, not a bug.

BacaDog on March 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Surely there has to be tax that hasn’t been raised in the last day or 2 by all the deep thinkers in CA that will return everything to Utopia and solve the problem.

gsherin on March 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

There’s an email tax afoot in SF.

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Thats the way it’s going to be, not just in CA, but everywhere, the libs are going to blame the big bad insurance companies and other businesses for the constant cost increases and quality downgrades that Obamacare will spawn. This will be part of an unceasing push for the nationalization of all healtcare, single payer and worse.
Counter this by a relentless focus on how Obamacare is driving this whole mess, and push to retrench the govt control, not increase it.

anotherJoe on March 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Donna Brazile just crapped her girdle again.

Bishop on March 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Has the unicorn registration tax been increased?

Archivarix on March 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Meanwhile, back at camp Mensa, the Dem controlled legislature is expanding Medi-Cal.

antipc on March 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Step #1 on the path to get people to demand single payer.

rbj on March 8, 2013 at 12:35 PM

They just need to ban “assault style” insurance policies and high capacity rate hikes and the problem will fix itself.

Gatsu on March 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM

State officials are also getting upset that health insurers are “charging people more this year to recoup fees related to the federal healthcare law that don’t take effect until next year” — but what was it that they were expecting, exactly?

Uh, Obamacare. You know, charge expenses for three years before the law goes into effect. Not one year, silly.

parke on March 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Do you have a link for that?

chemman on March 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Just slap a tax on e-mail messages, that should do it…

Pest on March 8, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Uh.

- Barack Obama

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Do you have a link for that?

chemman on March 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

I sure do.

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Sidebar:

It’s Friday, and I’m in a good mood.

So I’m listenin’ to Pablo Cruise.

:O)

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM

The very day that California law required my insurer to cover contraceptives, I got a letter from my insurer raising my premiums 14%.

HakerA on March 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Erika:

I’m sure the rest of your post is very cogent, but when it comes to your headlines, you must be more careful about using words you don’t know very well. “Doth,” for example, is an archaic third person singular form of “do.” It means the same thing as “does.” Just as “state officials does protest” doesn’t work, “state officials doth protest” doesn’t work either. When you are writing something like that, the message you are sending is “I was in the room when my high school English teacher talked about Hamlet, but I wasn’t really paying attention.” For a fascinating discussion of what “protest” actually means in Shakespearean English, see this Wikipedia article.

To be fair and balanced, you are correctly using “wont to do” further down in your text, even though that’s also a phrase some high schoolers find confusing. Kudos for that!

Time Lord on March 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM

The very day that California law required my insurer to cover contraceptives, I got a letter from my insurer raising my premiums 14%.

HakerA on March 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Isn’t it nice to pay for the sexual decisions of every irresponsible teenager and their ‘sex education’ in publik skrewl?

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM

The very day that California law required my insurer to cover contraceptives, I got a letter from my insurer raising my premiums 14%.

HakerA on March 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Damn that Sandra Fluke. She must be using 1,500 condoms a day.

BacaDog on March 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Meanwhile, a ballot initiative scheduled for November 2014 would grant state officials the power to deny unreasonable increases for health coverage.

Who could have seen that coming?

“One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary.” —Ayn Rand, 1975

RadClown on March 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Amnesty will provide soothing relief to your burning wallet.

Wigglesworth on March 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Step #1 on the path to get people to demand single payer.

rbj on March 8, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Exactly, and that was the prime objective of this entire health care fiasco.

fourdeucer on March 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

The very day that California law required my insurer to cover contraceptives, I got a letter from my insurer raising my premiums 14%.

That’s a good sign that the law and the premium rise were unrelated, unless you seriously believe that your insurer, upon learning that the law was passed, raised rates, wrote you a letter about it, and delivered that letter to you all on the same day.

Time Lord on March 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

I wonder if those who argue that this was a foreseen consequence of Obamacare would tell me if they are for or against gay marriage and whether or not they think people of honor can foresee negative consequences of said action in advance?

Just wondering if the same rules apply.

astonerii on March 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

regulators can talk themselves blue in the face about what they think the appropriate prices should be, but that’s just not how it works; insurance companies calculate their risks and set their prices from there, and ObamaCare requires them to take on a heck of a lot more risk.

Sure, let the politicians and bureaucrats dictate benefits AND underwrite the premiums. That sounds like a successful business model.

tommyboy on March 8, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Step #1 on the path to get people to demand single payer.

rbj on March 8, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Exactly, and that was the prime objective of this entire health care fiasco.

fourdeucer on March 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Yup and yup.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Just wait until all the “evil” profit taking greedy health insurance leave California….

Employers in California would love to dump every employee in a state exchange….
Until they change the law where it will cost more to insure all the huddled masses.

redguy on March 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Shocked, shocked I tell ya, that the cereal box gets empty. It is a conspiracy!

Limerick on March 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Time Lord on March 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

You obviously know nothing at all about business. His insurers simply had the raises in effect and the letters in the mail when it became crystal-clear that the Democraps were going to go through with their nonsense.

That’s a perfectly normal tactic for the industry; which has more foresight than any liberal.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Yup and yup.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Exactly…it amazes me that we have conservatives on here that are actually fooled into believing those poor libs get screwed again by their unintended consequences.

There are some intelligent neo-comms out there pulling the strings that have had this plan for decades and this is all part of it.

Feign horror and outrage that private insurance is thwarting the intent of the law. Whip the idiot American frenzy into a low intelligence furor. Confiscate the private insurance industry in wave of populist legislation.

You think this country is different than Venezuela….you could not be more wrong.

ClassicCon on March 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM

astonerii on March 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

I can tell you right now that any insurance company with more IQ than Obama (all of them) have already crunched the numbers on the health effects if gay ‘marriage’ suddenly gets the green light nationwide. Suffice it to say their PR departments are going to be burning the midnight oil…

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM

I have an Anthem / Blue Cross individual policy and the week ObamaCare passed I got an across the board increase. It was not an individual increase. It has gone up about 30% in total. It is still a great policy for me and I am not about to complain. They no make money I no have insurance. Seems simple enough.

CW20 on March 8, 2013 at 1:04 PM

The very day that California law required my insurer to cover contraceptives, I got a letter from my insurer raising my premiums 14%.

HakerA on March 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM

They must be paying for those $1000/year Sandra Fluke contraceptives.

Ward Cleaver on March 8, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Confiscate the private insurance industry in wave of populist legislation.

You think this country is different than Venezuela….you could not be more wrong.

ClassicCon on March 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Beautifully stated.

I’ve been posting, lately, that this nation is ripe for Dictatorship.

And that my greatest fear are the People who don’t think it can happen, here – or who downright want it to happen.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 1:08 PM

No problem, the State Assembly can impose a cost freeze on them. Problem solved.

/what?

Ward Cleaver on March 8, 2013 at 1:09 PM

These rates are going to absolutely skyrocket when nobody under 30 buys healthcare because the penalty for not doing so will only be about $95, and will top out at $695 (or around there) in 2016. Unconstitutional mandate won’t even have the desired effect.

Daemonocracy on March 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Massachusetts health care costs out of control as ObamaCare provision hits small business

Wigglesworth on March 8, 2013 at 1:08 PM

When Leftists/Obama Cultists/Dem voters (whatever you want to call them) read articles like that, what goes through their minds? Do they just write it off as “Fox News” propaganda or something?

Like conservative and Libertarian critics have been saying for years now, ObamaCare is the opposite of real reform. It freezes everything wrong with the insurance industry and triples down, complete with Big Corporation payoffs (that the Left allegedly hates). The same eevvvviiillll corporations that donate to OFA, I’m sure.

What’s wrong with these Leftists?

visions on March 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

ObamaCare HAS kicked in now.
Those aged 26 and under have to be covered now under their parents’ healthcare. Insurance companies have more expenses as a result.

prkw on March 8, 2013 at 1:24 PM

What’s wrong with these Leftists?

visions on March 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

They’re as pathologically indoctrinated as a North Korean battalion.

2 + 2 = 5

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Wait a minute…I thought the lefty WANTED taxes to go up? And healthcare is a tax now, just ask John Roberts. So what’s the problem?

Lily on March 8, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Our healthcare costs have gone up for the next academic year, I think Kaiser is up ten or eleven percent, HealthNet 17? Something like that.

Bob's Kid on March 8, 2013 at 1:32 PM

So I’m listenin’ to Pablo Cruise.

:O)

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Yes …… “Zero To Sixty In Five” is still the quintessential driving song.

oldfiveanddimer on March 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM

“The average American family will see a savings of $2500″….the same families see unicorns, tooth fairies and pixie dust…

hillsoftx on March 8, 2013 at 1:36 PM

The future of ObamaCare:

Basic errors killing 1000 NHS patients a month a study has revealed

http://www.thompsons.law.co.uk/clinical-negligence/basic-errors-hospital-patients.htm

A Briton is 5 times more likely to die from government health care than an American is to die from a gunshot.

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/284701229001605120

redguy on March 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM

They must be paying for those $1000/year Sandra Fluke contraceptives.

Ward Cleaver on March 8, 2013 at 1:07 PM

One of the contraceptive manufacturers (I forget) has had a longrunning ad lauding the benefit of its intrauterine device that frees a woman from the daily routine of pill-taking. Fine. It’s a kind of a cute ad with a pretty married gal with one mischievous tyke already wondering whether she’s ready for another.

My point is that the ad has been changed recently to note the change in the health care law making the device “free” in most cases.

BuckeyeSam on March 8, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Hmmmm,

Should i buy food or health insurance??

I can’t afford my health insurance now…..

Once I have to buy it – I might as well just go rob a bank
so I can get free health care….

redguy on March 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Massachusetts health care costs out of control as ObamaCare provision hits small business

Wigglesworth on March 8, 2013 at 1:08 PM

I do not think it is Obamacare that is causing the dramatic increase. I think what is happening is that the Massachusetts government is taking the opportunity to lard up the system under cover from the implementation of Obamacare. Most of Obamacare was already law at the time it passed in Massachusetts.

astonerii on March 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM

oldfiveanddimer on March 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I shake my head that Pablo Cruise CDs haven’t been remastered.

Pablo Cruise takes me back to my college days, and such great memories.

Such great music.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

The very day that California law required my insurer to cover contraceptives, I got a letter from my insurer raising my premiums 14%.

HakerA on March 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM

California is the Porn Capital of the world!

PrettyD_Vicious on March 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

“The average American family will see a savings of $2500″….the same families see unicorns, tooth fairies and pixie dust…

hillsoftx on March 8, 2013 at 1:36 PM

We should probably ask for a clarification of “average family”.

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 1:53 PM

California is the Porn Capital of the world!

PrettyD_Vicious on March 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

The capital is Spunkramento, yes?

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM

The very day that California law required my insurer to cover contraceptives, I got a letter from my insurer raising my premiums 14%.

HakerA on March 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM
Damn that Sandra Fluke. She must be using 1,500 condoms a day.

BacaDog on March 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

That THAT would be something… I’m sure she’s giving it the “old college try”…

But in my Golden State, they are screaming about the increase… “But Obama promised!”

Khun Joe on March 8, 2013 at 1:57 PM

I wonder if those who argue that this was a foreseen consequence of Obamacare would tell me if they are for or against gay marriage and whether or not they think people of honor can foresee negative consequences of said action in advance?

Just wondering if the same rules apply.

astonerii on March 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Um, what?

Midas on March 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Ain’t REALITY a bitch?

GarandFan on March 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

The Side Effects of Medicaid Expansion

http://www.empowertexans.com/features/the-side-effects-of-medicaid-expansion/

The top three statewide elected officials in Texas agree Medicaid expansion is bad policy.
Governor Rick Perry and Lt. Governor David Dewhurst have tried to inoculate the Legislature by making it clear they oppose any and all attempts to expand Medicaid. Attorney General Greg Abbott warns that Texas would be “in for a penny, in for a pound” if they do expand it.

Sadly, House Speaker Joe Straus refuses to take such a stance, telling Evan Smith of the Texas Tribune, “we should have a conversation about it.”

Taxpayers cannot write off talks of Medicaid expansion simply because Texas is lead by Republicans. Just look at Ohio, where Republican Governor John Kasich is now asking his GOP-controlled Legislature to accept the Obama Administration’s expansion proposal.

We simply cannot afford to accept this Trojan Horse from the federal government. Tell your state legislators not to swallow the Medicaid expansion poison pill.

redguy on March 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Damn that Sandra Fluke. She must be using 1,500 condoms a day.

BacaDog on March 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Some basic thermodynamic calculations show without a pressurized lubricating system and a forced cooling system, some vital components could be damaged.

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM

“One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary.” —Ayn Rand, 1975

RadClown on March 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

None of this has ever been an accident to the politicians behind all of this.
They’ll soon have price fixing controls on this stuff.
We’ll have an NHS system like Canada & the UK.
Then we can all die from the horrible care that will result.

Badger40 on March 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM

I work for one of the insurers referenced in the article, and we actually lost money last year for these members, apparently the state thinks it’s unreasonable to even break even. That’s not saying we lost money across the board, but that our members who get their coverage through an employer are subsidizing these members who do not.

FireDrake on March 8, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Stuck here in California. To paraphrase Mencken: Californians voted for this and know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

toolnutz on March 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Um, what?

Midas on March 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

LOL, that blew right by me, like a freight train in the night, too.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM

From the comments over there: Only a Democrat would propose taxing something that is working(email) to subsidize something that is failing (the Postal Service).

Washington Nearsider on March 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM

toolnutz on March 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

When the Okies left Oklahoma and moved to California, they raised the average intelligence levels in both states.

- Will Rogers

No offense to the few and anquished Conservative Californians – still in the State.

I just love the quote.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I read the article as saying “California Department of Mangled Health Care”

11% versus a 1.7% Social Security COLA. How will we ever keep up?

billrowe on March 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Surely there has to be tax that hasn’t been raised in the last day or 2 by all the deep thinkers in CA that will return everything to Utopia and solve the problem.

gsherin on March 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

You must be psychic.

Oldnuke on March 8, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Um, what?

Midas on March 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

When I make a claim that granting gays marriage will cause a degradation of our society, I am met with claims of being able to see the future and what are next weeks lottery numbers.

Plenty of people on this thread arguing they saw this coming a mile away… Either it is possible to see the effects of a policy change in advance, which I say you can, or you cannot.
I am asking to see if there are any blatantly hypocritical people willing to admit they are hypocrites by saying, well, yes I knew Obamacare would cause this, but I refuse to believe anyone can predict the outcome of a policy change regarding something I want changed!

astonerii on March 8, 2013 at 2:36 PM

When the Okies left Oklahoma and moved to California, they raised the average intelligence levels in both states.

- Will Rogers

No offense to the few and anquished Conservative Californians – still in the State.

I just love the quote.

I have to say, being one of those anguished Conservative Californians, its a challenge to keep my intelligence level from lowering due to constant contact with so many of the lower than average intelligence in the workplace and daily commmute. Appalling.

hawkeye54 on March 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Surely there has to be tax that hasn’t been raised in the last day or 2 by all the deep thinkers in CA that will return everything to Utopia and solve the problem.

gsherin on March 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

You must be psychic.

Hmmm. Proposed e-mail tax. Proposed twitter tax, proposed facebook tax, proposed breathing tax (based on lung capacity).

If it moves, tax it. If it is standing still, tax it. If it exists, tax it. If it is imaginary, tax it.

With free spending Leftists it never ends.

hawkeye54 on March 8, 2013 at 2:43 PM

With free spending Leftists it never ends.

hawkeye54 on March 8, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Eureka! Here’s the deal:

Lets get Boehner and Cantor to rally the GOP in the House and pass a tax on spending bill.

Since the Dems don’t read bills, and they can’t resist voting for anything that sounds like a tax increase, they’ll be voting in favor of the bill simply due to genetics.

Unfortunately for them, buried way down in the bill is the hidden nugget….the tax is restricted to gov’t spending only.

BobMbx on March 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Erika:

“Doth,” for example, is an archaic third person singular form of “do.” It means the same thing as “does.” .. “state officials doth protest” doesn’t work either…

Time Lord on March 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Of course, pedantic rarely works either. Actually, “state officials doth protest” sounds fine, under these circumstances. When a word is that archaic, and we are writing a political blog (not taking the SAT), we can be given latitude in ascribing flexible meaning to words. The people understand what she meant, and it sounds right, so bark up another tree.

anotherJoe on March 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Just wondering if the same rules apply.

astonerii on March 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

One thing that the left will not allow to be discussed is the ramifications of the costs of providing health and pension benefits to same sex partners. If all public pension and health care costs were borne by the recipients of those plans I would back-off opposing the concept of same sex marriage. I enjoy being told how heartless I am for not wanting to provide same benefits for same sex couples that most large municipalities are not funding currently for their employees. And I bet every city and state running these deficits are run by democrats.

I don’t care what private companies do in this regard as they can make the adjustments necessary.

DanMan on March 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM

anotherJoe on March 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

The poor soul is pitiful. I’d hate to go through life, so in need of attention.

The poor soul reminds me of a 3 year old, in the grocery store, whose Mommy/Daddy hands it an orange, to occupy itself while she/he shops.

The poor thing.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 3:17 PM

When a word is that archaic, and we are writing a political blog (not taking the SAT), we can be given latitude in ascribing flexible meaning to words.

anotherJoe on March 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Words have meanings, Joe, and it’s best to know what a word means before you use it. If you can’t say what you mean, how can you possibly mean what you say. Especially in political discourse.

Time Lord on March 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Step #1 on the path to get people to demand single payer.

rbj on March 8, 2013 at 12:35 PM

that has always been the plan …..

conservative tarheel on March 8, 2013 at 3:31 PM

The poor soul is pitiful. I’d hate to go through life, so in need of attention.

The poor soul reminds me of a 3 year old, in the grocery store, whose Mommy/Daddy hands it an orange, to occupy itself while she/he shops.

The poor thing.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 3:17 PM

My friend, I think you are a bit harsh on Erika. Far from pitiful and in need of attention, she is a perfectly well-adjusted young woman who, after expanding her vocabulary a bit (or learning to live with its limitations), can have a bright future writing articles in the local press and blogging about non-technical topics like general politics. Denigrating her like you are doing here is completely uncalled for.

Time Lord on March 8, 2013 at 3:37 PM

The very day that California law required my insurer to cover contraceptives, I got a letter from my insurer raising my premiums 14%.

HakerA on March 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Now that we are covering recreational contraceptives, what will happen to rates when they decide to add universal coverage for free medical marajuana?

Will people rush in and pay the premiums for the free drugs or will they simply add another 80% to the premiums?

Freddy on March 8, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Time Lord on March 8, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Here’s an orange – misfit.

And, since we’re on the subject of “vocabulary,” look up “anal retentive.”

Pissant.

Oh, and I’m not your “friend.”

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 3:40 PM

When the Okies left Oklahoma and moved to California, they raised the average intelligence levels in both states.

- Will Rogers

Gotta hand it to ol’ Will. He’s not too far off now since Californians have been indoctrinated for decades with government schools that rank among the lowest in the nation.

I wouldn’t mind moving my family to OK if can. I visited Oklahoma City at the end of summer last year and the weather was pleasant.

toolnutz on March 8, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Oh, and I’m not your “friend.”

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 3:40 PM

I’m not your friend, buddy!

I’m not your buddy, guy!

I’m not your guy, friend!

I’m not your friend, buddy…

RadClown on March 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

toolnutz on March 8, 2013 at 3:52 PM

I live in OKC. Our Summer’s can put the Gates of Hell to shame; but, it’s a State that is Conservative and most of the people are pretty solid.

The older I get, the more proud I am of my State.

Come on over, if you get the chance.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM

RadClown on March 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

LOL! I’m not sure if you’re kicking me in the balls, though.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

“I am disappointed that after lengthy negotiations, Blue Shield and Aetna were unwilling to bring their proposed health plan increases down to a reasonable level,” said Brent Barnhart, director of the Department of Managed Health Care. …

Hey Brent, One of the great things about America is that you can start the “Brent Barnhart” health insurance company and charge as little as you want! Problem solved!

RJL on March 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Because state health officials didn’t build it they have no real stake in whether or not a health insurance provider gets enough money in its premiums to pay all its expenses as well as the risks of higher costs than expected. Without that kind of information and stake in the game, the officials are free to imagine what they would think of as resonable whether it is viable or not. Only after say a provider(s) goes into bankruptcy or leaves the market would I expect the officials to go, “maybe what we thought was reasonable was not reasonable” (of course when it was too late).

Russ808 on March 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I’m not your “friend.”

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Would you rather be my enemy? That’s OK. If that’s what it takes to release some of that bottled-up anger, by all means, keep cursing me.

Time Lord on March 8, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Would you rather be my enemy? That’s OK. If that’s what it takes to release some of that bottled-up anger, by all means, keep cursing me.

Time Lord on March 8, 2013 at 4:22 PM

You should revisit your vocabulary; insamuch as I’ve not taken the time to “curse” you.

Although, you just might be the “menstruating” type.

Here, catch this orange.

Curse -

1: a prayer or invocation for harm or injury to come upon one : imprecation

2: something that is cursed or accursed

3: evil or misfortune that comes as if in response to imprecation or as retribution

4: a cause of great harm or misfortune : torment

5: menstruation —used with the

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Badger40 on March 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Actually – only the less wealthy (poorer) 50% will get bad govt healthcare. The other side will have expensive – but good private healthcare. The only difference is that the poorer half will include people who used to ahve good healthcare who lost it for govt bad healthcare – but hey – its guarenteed and you get a card and it only costs twice as much as your old insurance and you sometimes even get a scheduled date for services with the same year as it currently is.

What’s not to like.

Zomcon JEM on March 8, 2013 at 4:54 PM

State officials are also getting upset that health insurers are “charging people more this year to recoup fees related to the federal healthcare law that don’t take effect until next year”

Yeah? Well I was upset that my taxes went up last year to pay for Obamacare that doesn’t take effect until next year, too.

That’s standard operating procedure for the Public Sector, but not okay for the Private Sector?

Amazing.

JohnD13 on March 8, 2013 at 5:09 PM

I live in OKC. Our Summer’s can put the Gates of Hell to shame; but, it’s a State that is Conservative and most of the people are pretty solid.

OhEssYouCowboys

The weather is what I will miss most living in California. That and my church.

As Asians, my family needs regular supply of Asian food. I told my wife that when we move, we should consider OKC because there is an area there called Asian District that has all kinds of Asian food that we take for granted here in the Bay Area.

And you’re right. The people there are nice. It would be great to be surrounded by more conservatives than lefties. Asian, Christian, and conservative make for a lonely existence here.

toolnutz on March 8, 2013 at 5:19 PM

The weather is what I will miss most living in California. That and my church.

As Asians, my family needs regular supply of Asian food. I told my wife that when we move, we should consider OKC because there is an area there called Asian District that has all kinds of Asian food that we take for granted here in the Bay Area.

And you’re right. The people there are nice. It would be great to be surrounded by more conservatives than lefties. Asian, Christian, and conservative make for a lonely existence here.

toolnutz on March 8, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Would that be the Little Saigon, off of Classen Blvd. and N.W. 23rd? OKC has a large Vietnamese presence, after the fall of South Vietnam.

Regardless, Asian, Conservative and Christian is more than welcome.

I hope that you give OKC a hard look; but God bless you, wherever you end up.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 5:27 PM

toolnutz on March 8, 2013 at 5:19 PM

I forgot to mention that, just on my walk, there is a Vietnamese family in one house, and down the road, there is a lovely, older Japanese couple.

It might not be so bad for y’all.

:O)

OhEssYouCowboys on March 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM

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