A minute’s pause for the minimum wage

posted at 8:01 am on March 8, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

The President may not be doing well on the gun grabbing or tax re-hiking fronts, but apparently there’s one area where the nation is still backing up his vision. And that’s the idea of “helping” everyone by jacking up the minimum wage.

A solid majority of Americans support President Obama’s proposal in his most recent State of the Union to increase the minimum wage.

Some 71 percent of those surveyed said they supported raising the federal minimum wage to $9 an hour from $7.25, while 27 percent opposed it, according to a Gallup Poll released Wednesday.

The results attest to the popularity of Obama’s plan, wrote Gallup’s Lydia Saad in the poll’s release.

Not everyone in the country will have to wait to see the results of this debate. Out here in the Empire State, President-In-Waiting Andrew Cuomo has already put the plan into action.

The New York state Assembly voted March 5 to make employers pay 25 percent more to their minimum-wage workers.

The bill boosts the required base hourly pay in New York by an extra $1.75, from $7.25 to $9. The bill would also impose automatic future increases, tied to inflation.

As we all know, anyone who opposes yet another steep jump in the minimum wage to a “living wage” hates poor people, minorities, puppies and unicorns. Allow me to join the elf kicking crowd for a moment by brandishing the one weapon which seems to flummox them entirely… math.

When you raise the minimum wage for people working in the lowest skill level, easiest to qualify for jobs with the greatest possible labor pool, you do – without a doubt – benefit those earning that wage. But as we have repeatedly pointed out, you drive up the labor costs for the primarily smaller business outlets who rely on this labor, offering a disincentive to hire and, quite likely, a cause to let some people go to keep costs down. You also drive up the cost of basic services and products which employers must charge to break even. But that’s not the entire picture I’m asking you to consider today.

Stop for a moment and think about the portion of the labor force who have worked their way up from minimum wage jobs or taken training in the trades and are working at jobs which pay something higher… let’s say in the range of 12 to 15 dollars per hour. Some of you living in the larger cities may scoff at such a wage, but trust me, there are many people living in suburban and rural areas across the nation who still compete for and get by on wages in that range. They have put the time in, worked their way up, learned some skills, and hold positions which pay a fair percentage more than a minimum wage job flipping burgers or whatever else falls in that category.

When you raise the minimum wage by 25% for minimum wage – and skill – jobs overnight, you may indeed be helping the minimum wage worker who manages to keep their job. But as the associated costs rise, all of those people making 12 or 15 dollars an hour do not suddenly get a 25% raise to 16 or or 18.75 per hour. Their costs go up for their daily expenses, but the raise they see – assuming they get one at all in this economy – will be on the order of 5%. They take the hit for the government’s largess. Further, their skills are devalued in comparison to people doing jobs you can get straight out of high school.

Is this the “defense of the middle class” which the President loves to crow about? Because he’s hurting a lot more people than he’s helping. The market sets wages based on demand. When you artificially warp that through government mandate, it will adjust. And the adjustment is not to the benefit of the masses.


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$50/hour..

Why not?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Minimum……

What does it mean?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:03 AM

How many here make the…..

Minimum….?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Scrumpy?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Bmore?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM

Swalker?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM

cmsinaz?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM

I could go on..

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Sparkplug?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Is there a game on?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Stop for a moment and think about the portion of the labor force who have worked their way up from minimum wage jobs or taken training in the trades and are working at jobs which pay something higher

Serves them right for getting ahead of their rightful place./libs

OldEnglish on March 8, 2013 at 8:08 AM

People are fundamentally stupid creatures, and our current political class plays right to them.

“Everything costs more but I am making more, therefore I feel better about myself.”

Gatsu on March 8, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Because he’s hurting a lot more people than he’s helping. The market sets wages based on demand. When you artificially warp that through government mandate, it will adjust. And the adjustment is not to the benefit of the masses.

Why bother traveling to Europe anymore? We are becoming France, Greece and Spain all rolled up into one! Parasites demanding more and more for “free.” A socialist government becoming more and more dictatorial. Out of control spending. You can get the entire European experience without ever needing a passport.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Good post but it’s even worse than you say. Salary increase budgets have actually been stuck at 3% for the last 10-15 years so folks in that next step “up” are getting pinched even more.

Rufus on March 8, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Looks like Jazz does read the comments

AH_C on March 8, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Love the fact that Obama’s Dirty dozen go out to the Jefferson Hotel and yuck it up at their cozy Beltway parties…..but care for the “little guy” and the “middle class”.

…..and then folks like Bill Clinton and other newly rich trailer trash brag about how “we can afford to pay a little more”, but never seem to write out that extra check to the treasury.

Priceless.

PappyD61 on March 8, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Good post but it’s even worse than you say. Salary increase budgets have actually been stuck at 3% for the last 10-15 years so folks in that next step “up” are getting pinched even more.

Rufus on March 8, 2013 at 8:12 AM

+10
Ditto.

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:13 AM

The Left has ruined our public education system, hitting “minorities” especially hard. Then, they make it cost-ineffective for businesses to hire high-school kids to get on-the-job experience. A double whammy against people the Left supposedly cares about. Sad.

visions on March 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Democrats working hard to make the middle class and lower income one class … the peasant class.

The politicians become richer and more powerful as we all become poorer.

darwin on March 8, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Judge the likely outcome of President Obama’s proposed minimum wage hike for yourself:

How much will President Obama’s 2013 State of the Union proposal to increase the federal minimum wage to $9.00 per hour affect the teens and young adults who make up roughly half of all those who earn the minimum wage or less in the United States?

We’ve been dancing around that question as we’ve been considering the recent history of minimum wage increases in recent weeks, but today, we’re finally going to answer it!

Or rather, you are, because we’ve built a tool that you can use to do the math for yourself! Here, you just need to enter either President Obama’s or your own proposed minimum wage,… and our tool will do the rest.

Here’s the tool, the math of which is backed by the actual income and minimum wage data collected and reported by the U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Department of Labor since 1994.

ironman on March 8, 2013 at 8:18 AM

$50/hour..

Why not?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Why not $125 / hour? Then everyone will pay the highest income tax rate.

LoganSix on March 8, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Stop for a moment and think about the portion of the labor force who have worked their way up from minimum wage jobs or taken training in the trades and are working at jobs which pay something higher

Government does everything with no reasoning whatsoever. I left a job 8 months ago for a better job with higher pay. I was just let go from the new job because the extra work I was hired to do has dried up. Now I may be denied unemployment because I wasn’t at the present job long enough and the only reasons they consider valid to leave a previous job are illness or harassment. Nothing like discouraging people from trying to improve their lives.

BeachBum on March 8, 2013 at 8:19 AM

The Left has ruined our public education system, hitting “minorities” especially hard. Then, they make it cost-ineffective for businesses to hire high-school kids to get on-the-job experience. A double whammy against people the Left supposedly cares about. Sad.

visions on March 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM

That was all by design. You’ve got to create a permanent underclass of people dependent on the government for liberalism/socialism to succeed. That is why the attitude behind “you didn’t build that” resonated so loudly among the producers and “free stuff” resonated so loudly among the worthless parasite class during the last election.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 8:19 AM

The Left has ruined our public education system….

visions on March 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Ya think?
80 percent of recent NYC high school graduates can’t read.

LoganSix on March 8, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Isn’t a living wage subjective and subject to change based on your situation? When will the leftist actually be happy with the minimum wage. It was never supposed to be a living wage. It was supposed to be a started salary for people getting their foot in the door i.e., young college students and high school students.

melle1228 on March 8, 2013 at 8:20 AM

McDonalds is $15 for 2. Any kind of dining out is $30 for 2. Raise that proportionally. How often are YOU going to keep dining out. I know I’d do less.

MNHawk on March 8, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Morning EG
:)

Workie. Workie

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Ya think?
80 percent of recent NYC high school graduates can’t read.

LoganSix on March 8, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Good, the world needs janitors and other no skill service help. They might as all be urban elitists. lmfao.

tom daschle concerned on March 8, 2013 at 8:24 AM

80 percent of recent NYC high school graduates can’t read.

LoganSix on March 8, 2013 at 8:19 AM

I have a couple brother in laws that graduated HS but couldn’t read their diploma..
or care…

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:24 AM

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Morning…

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:25 AM

When you raise the minimum wage for people working in the lowest skill level, easiest to qualify for jobs with the greatest possible labor pool, you do – without a doubt – benefit those earning that wage.

I’ll throw in some doubt. Depends on what you mean by “benefit”. Will that person make a tiny bit more money? Yes. But does that equal buying power? Not necessarily. Plus, people at minimum wage rarely stay there for long, but if we raise it?

I’m afraid that even this excuse is fraught with doubt.

happytobehere on March 8, 2013 at 8:28 AM

80 percent of recent NYC high school graduates can’t read.

LoganSix on March 8, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Why just pick on the losers from a cesspool like the NYC public school system? The numbers are pretty much the same in any large urban system and under-reports the real problems since there is no consistency in how drop-outs are counted.

But the problem is much greater. 24% of public school “graduates” have to take remedial courses when they get to a 4 year public university. The number is 27% of “graduates” at two year public colleges. High School, in theory, is supposed to prepare one for becoming a functional adult and from that standpoint the system is failing our children.

And yet, under this rat-eared socialist’s regime (it is no longer an administration it is a dictatorship worthy of Hitler, Castro, or Stalin) it is being demanded that we pay uneducated functionally illiterate losers $9/hour for unskilled labor. I guess that will help them keep their bastard children in diapers when all the WIC money and welfare runs out.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 8:29 AM

I remember when Odumbo came out with that during his speech and thought it was a filler but he seems to be serious about it. He should know it will inflict pain for some workers who get laid off or can’t find a job but like all the other pain he’s causing, he doesn’t care. The folks who will be getting the raise look at it like free money and the boss was made to give it up.

Kissmygrits on March 8, 2013 at 8:30 AM

There is no better litmus test for economic illiteracy than support for minimum wage hikes.

Poll results confirm that the malady is a pandemic.

CDeb on March 8, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Dear NY employers,

Come to Virginia! Yeah, our governor pulled a bonehead move but he’s still better than Cuomo and the clowns in the NY legislator!

22044 on March 8, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Let the spin begin
7.7%

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM

Let the spin begin
7.7%

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM

RECOVERY!!!!

Finally..

Thank you Obama.

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Let the spin begin
7.7%

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM

The jobs number for February was pretty good(well, by Obama standards at least), but a .2% drop in the unemployment rate would indicated people yet again left the workforce in droves.

Doughboy on March 8, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Is this the “defense of the middle class” which the President loves to crow about? Because he’s hurting a lot more people than he’s helping.

I wonder, at what point does the middle class make enough money?

JetBoy on March 8, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Is there a game on?

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Sorry, got caught up at the Gulch and the Headlines (love the Kass article). Minimum whosit whatsit?

Let’s take a page out of the progressive playbook and just change the name of minimum wage to starting salary. This is where you start. If you do well, are a diligent, competent worker, this wage will eventually increase. Problem solved… What.

Fallon on March 8, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Mornin joe crew digging it
Robust!

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Why not $100 per hour? Why have money at all? We could all live like the Smurfs. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. I need a BMW, give me one. I really can’t give you anything, I hurt my back, you see, so I don’t have the ability to give.

tdarrington on March 8, 2013 at 8:38 AM

There’s another side to this minimum wage raise, and that is government gets more tax money. That becomes more important later, when unions demand a healthy pay hike, too, because union wages are tied to the minimum wage. Plus a dues increase, which also means more cash into Democrat coffers.

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 8:38 AM

McDonalds is $15 for 2. Any kind of dining out is $30 for 2. Raise that proportionally. How often are YOU going to keep dining out. I know I’d do less.

MNHawk on March 8, 2013 at 8:21 AM

We eat out less and less because not only is it getting more expensive (like everything else), our salaries have been stuck at 2008 levels. We’re in effect getting poorer as each day passes.

darwin on March 8, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Mornin joe crew digging it
Robust!

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:37 AM

That’s overstating it. 246,000 jobs in one month(even a 28-day month) is not robust. It’s just better than the mediocrity we’ve become accustomed to in the Obama era. If we were to see that every month, then maybe the economy would do more than just limp along. The problem is these kinds of months are extremely rare since 2009.

Doughboy on March 8, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Robust!

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Haven’t seen it here in Idaho..

But maybe it’s a time zone thing..

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Electrongod on March 8, 2013 at 8:03 AM

We have the most affluent poor in the world. Ask the guy working at Taco Bell to text you how hard it is getting by on min wage from his iPhone. He’ll get right to it after watching the latest Breaking Bad on Netflix.

tdarrington on March 8, 2013 at 8:41 AM

There’s another side to this minimum wage raise, and that is government gets more tax money.

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Maybe, but many minimum wage jobs will disappear as they already have. You can’t collect taxes from a non-existant job.

darwin on March 8, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Doughboy & EG
:)

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Let the spin begin
7.7%

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM

The civilian labor force dropped as usual from 63.6% to 63.5%. Attempting to spin it the other way.

LoganSix on March 8, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Maybe, but many minimum wage jobs will disappear as they already have. You can’t collect taxes from a non-existant job.

darwin on March 8, 2013 at 8:42 AM

While that is true, there is also the fact that, to pay for remaining employees, stores might have to raise prices. That also means more money in the form of sales taxes, even if people are on UI or welfare. Government still wins somewhere along the line.

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Well put, Jazz. Why not $20 or $50 an hour for minimum wage employees. It won’t affect retail prices at all, eh?

What about some of us who are well educated, have good jobs or work as contractors in professions and trades? Maybe make our minimum salary a zillion dollars an hour?

The whole minimum wage debate is just more class warfare, and the economy suffers because of it.

By they way, I work as an independent engineering consultant. Perhaps President Obama and the Democrat congress want to cap what I can make, so the check-out chick at Wal-Mart can make a living wage? It’s only fair, right?

Hugo Chavez is dead in Venezuela, but he is alive and well in the Democrat party.

simkeith on March 8, 2013 at 8:45 AM

The civilian labor force dropped as usual from 63.6% to 63.5%. Attempting to spin it the other way.

LoganSix on March 8, 2013 at 8:43 AM


The participation rate, the percentage of people in the labor force who are “participating” in the labor force, whether employed or looking for work, slid further in February.

It fell to 63.5 in February from 63.6 in January and 63.9 in February 2012, seasonally adjusted. Not adjusted, it fell to 63.2 from 63.3 in January, and 63.6 in February 2012.

The number of people not in the labor force, not seasonally adjusted, rose to 90.1 million in February, up from 89.9 million in January and 88.3 million in February 2012.

That trend, sort of perversely, is good for the unemployment rate.

Just like I said. Dropping from 7.9% to 7.7% in one month when you create less than a quarter of a million new jobs only happens if people are still leaving the workforce. And that’s exactly what happened in February. The jobs number last month was an improvement. I’m not too partisan to concede that. But to act like we’re in some sort economic boom as a result of that is a farce. The labor participation rate and 4th quarter 2012 GDP indicate otherwise.

Doughboy on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Guess what. When the minimum wage is $9, the battle cry won’t change. Progs will still say it isn’t a living wage and demand higher. Progs never really want what they are asking for. What they want is always beyond the horizon where we can’t see. We get ridiculed for opposing their “common sense” reforms in the short term and are called conspiracy theorists for opposing their real long-term goals. It is lose-lose.

tdarrington on March 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Okay, for all you naysayers out there I had the whole minimum wage thing explained to me by a liberal. So here goes.

A company makes some cool thing. We will use a Playstation for example. It has a high cost because not a lot of people can afford it. If we raise the minimum wage then more Playstations will be bought. The company that makes them will have to ramp up production in order to fulfill the need which means ordering more parts, hiring more workers. As more are sold the high price drops and even more people buy them. This cascades upwards though the whole economy as more people have to get hired to provide parts, more truckers have to be hired to deliver product etc.

I asked him to explain why the manufactures wouldn’t lay-off people and raise prices. He said that was just bogus propaganda push by the conservative dominated media.

So they you have it. Raising the minimum wage creates jobs and lowers prices.

Dr. Frank Enstine on March 8, 2013 at 8:50 AM

The thing you HAVEN’T consider is that driving up the minimum wage ALSO drives up the incentive to hire ‘off-the-books’ illegal immigrant labor- at whatever wage level they’ll take.

michaelo on March 8, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Dropping from 7.9% to 7.7% in one month when you create less than a quarter of a million new jobs only happens if people are still leaving the workforce. And that’s exactly what happened in February. The jobs number last month was an improvement. I’m not too partisan to concede that. But to act like we’re in some sort economic boom as a result of that is a farce. The labor participation rate and 4th quarter 2012 GDP indicate otherwise.

Doughboy on March 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Two points.

First, IMO, this regime is still cooking the numbers. I’m sorry but you don’t get a .2% drop in the number of unemployed with yet another month of virtually no job growth.

Secondly, the MSM loves to talk about jobs as if they were widgets. In terms of quality all jobs are not the same. Yeah, there were jobs created in February but what kind of jobs?

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 8:52 AM

So they you have it. Raising the minimum wage creates jobs and lowers prices.

Dr. Frank Enstine on March 8, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Sounds much like trickle-down economics, which liberals in the 80s said was a lie that was unworkable and would lead to economic collapse.

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM

The Left has ruined our public education system, hitting “minorities” especially hard. Then, they make it cost-ineffective for businesses to hire high-school kids to get on-the-job experience. A double whammy against people the Left supposedly cares about. Sad.

visions on March 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM

That was all by design.
You’ve got to create a permanent underclass of people dependent on the government for liberalism/socialism to succeed. That is why the attitude behind “you didn’t build that” resonated so loudly among the producers and “free stuff” resonated so loudly among the worthless parasite class during the last election.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Communist agenda from day one. The communists have been very adept at wrecking this country since they formed their own little CPUSA.
And these folks are very adept at using the propaganda of class warfare, worker’s ‘rights’ etc.to stir the pot so they can use the perpetual outrage of the ignorant & stupid to further their cause. And they are very patient bcs revolution is never over.
And it’s all in history books of the early 20th century if anyone cares to read any of it.

Regarding minimum wage: no one deserves to be paid more than the market has determined they are worth. Period. End of story.
Some guy with no skills who can’t read or write or think their way out of a paper bag does not deserve to be paid a wage higher than the non-skills are worth.
Low wage jobs like this are not meant to be careers. But some people use them as such, forever whining they cannot make a living.
You have the right to pursue your own happiness, but it is not supposed to be provided for you.
The government is not here to make things fair for you.
But this is what the communist manifesto provides in name: fairness.
When in reality it means slavery.

Badger40 on March 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Guess what. When the minimum wage is $9, the battle cry won’t change. Progs will still say it isn’t a living wage and demand higher.

tdarrington on March 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM

It’s called moving the goal posts. When $9/hour becomes baseline then it is time to start in on demanding $15/hour for all the stupid greedy people who have no discernible marketable skills.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Great news!

So…uhhh…what about those people already earning what the new min wage will be, do they get raises or watch the newbies suddenly rise to their level?

This will work out swimmingly, liberals always have the best plans.

Bishop on March 8, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Minimum wage jobs are intended for unskilled individuals to enter the workforce, gain skills, and seek direction. You grow, you move on, you improve yourself, you make more money. Minimum wage jobs are not FOR LIVING OFF OF. If you are LIVING off a minimum wage job, there is something wrong with you, not your salary.

eyesights on March 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Two points.

First, IMO, this regime is still cooking the numbers. I’m sorry but you don’t get a .2% drop in the number of unemployed with yet another month of virtually no job growth.

Secondly, the MSM loves to talk about jobs as if they were widgets. In terms of quality all jobs are not the same. Yeah, there were jobs created in February but what kind of jobs?

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Believe me, I don’t trust this regime at all. But I’ll take that February jobs number at face value. The problem is the labor participation rate dropped yet again. That’s why the unemployment rate is going down. Now that doesn’t mean Obama and Co. are cooking the books(in that one area at least). That’s unfortunately how we calculate the U3 rate. The fewer people looking for work, the lower that number goes. Perverse and counterproductive in many ways, but that’s how it is under a Democrat or Republican administration.

As for what kinds of jobs were created, I believe the average hourly earning went up 4 cents last month. I have no idea whether or not that’s keeping pace with inflation, but it does probably indicate these weren’t all McJobs. Here’s the real problem though:

February’s job gains will garner all the headlines, but the January report was actually revised lower. Revisions show January job growth came in at 119,000, down from initial estimate of 157,000.

119,000 is a weak number and far lower than what we were told initially for January. Granted, the previous months had been revised upward, so it cuts both ways. But that along with the labor participation rate should serve as a warning to the Obama buttsniffers that we’re not out of the woods just yet.

Doughboy on March 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I guess I stray from the pack on this. I see no problem with minimum wage being raised as it was comically out of proportion with the cost of living. This also would be going through with President Obama or if Romney became president so its pointless to turn this specific instance into a Democrat v Republican, or liberal v conservative battle.

Sammo21 on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 AM

I guess I stray from the pack on this. I see no problem with minimum wage being raised as it was comically out of proportion with the cost of living.

Sammo21 on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Agreed, which is why we shouldn’t bring stuffy economics into the equation. Feelings, brother, feelings.

Bishop on March 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Why not $100/hr? Think of all the poverty programs we could eliminate. Right?

GarandFan on March 8, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Democrats working hard to make the middle class and lower income one class … the peasant class.

darwin on March 8, 2013 at 8:17 AM

I wonder, at what point does the middle class make enough money?

JetBoy on March 8, 2013 at 8:35 AM

When the “middle class” is redefined to mean “minimum wage earner” with government supplements and entitlements.

Fallon on March 8, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Let’s guarantee everyone a $1,000,00 annual salary!

So, at 29 hours per week, 50 weeks per year, that computes to about $690/hour!

Yeah…that will work out just fine…….

NB: /sarc for Liberals who think I’m serious

ProfShadow on March 8, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Why not $100/hr? Think of all the poverty programs we could eliminate. Right?

GarandFan on March 8, 2013 at 9:08 AM

But that would put out of work all those in the system, many of whom are union members. Can’t have that, can we?

Liam on March 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Please fight the increase wingnuts! Corporate profits & the Dow at record highs yet you want people working full-time to still live in poverty so profits can get even higher. Party of the Rich much???!!!

DBear on March 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM

can’t wait for Ed Morrissey to “unskew” today’s jobs numbers…..

DBear on March 8, 2013 at 9:17 AM

DBear on March 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM

I guess you hate, as you put it, people working full-time to still live in poverty.

Why? /

22044 on March 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM

I see no problem with minimum wage being raised as it was comically out of proportion with the cost of living. This also would be going through with President Obama or if Romney became president so its pointless to turn this specific instance into a Democrat v Republican, or liberal v conservative battle.

Sammo21 on March 8, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Are you honestly suggesting that the teenager working at a fast food outlet is worth $9/hour for punching a button that lowers frozen fries into hot oil, punching the button again when a buzzer goes off, throwing the fries into a bin and shaking salt over them?

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2013 at 9:30 AM

I wonder what the result would be for a proposal to outlaw working for less than $9. Because that’s what the “minimum wage” laws actually do. They don’t put any impetus on businesses to do anything except reject employees. Their enforcement mechanism is on the supply (labor) side. It could only be thus; the Communists tried for nearly a century to legislate a “minimum” value to things and failed.

The minimum wage will remain $0, as it always has been and always will be, and more Americans are earning that minimum since the death of Carternomics.

HitNRun on March 8, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Please fight the increase wingnuts! Corporate profits & the Dow at record highs yet you want people working full-time to still live in poverty so profits can get even higher. Party of the Rich much???!!!

DBear on March 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM

I hear ya, sister, it’s a damn shame that so many champions of the little people are ditching out on their duty to society.

I was in Ft. Lauderdale last week and took a cruise down “Millionaires Row” and saw the yachts of many famous liberals. Unbelievable ships, incredible really, and every one of them had a foreign flag flying from the staffs. Sad day for liberalism.

Bishop on March 8, 2013 at 9:35 AM

can’t wait for Ed Morrissey to “unskew” today’s jobs numbers…..

DBear on March 8, 2013 at 9:17 AM

7.7% unemployment is nothing to cow about moron.

darwin on March 8, 2013 at 9:41 AM

7.7% unemployment is nothing to cow crow about moron.

darwin on March 8, 2013 at 9:41 AM

darwin on March 8, 2013 at 9:41 AM

darwin on March 8, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I thought it worked either way.

Fallon on March 8, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Don’t you just love the clueless basement dwellers who think the minimum wage was intended to be something you and your family of six lived on?

The minimum wage is an entry level wage for UNSKILLED, UNEDUCATED people to gain access to the workforce. Nothing more. It’s so teenagers can get a job with little or no training. If they stick with it, take a shower every morning and show up with clean shirt on (tucked in), they will eventually move up in salary. Then they’ll be motivated to gain some actual smarts, and lo and behold(!), find themselves qualified for a better paying job.

THAT’S the job you support a family with.

CurtZHP on March 8, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Lots of entry-level positions for college grads don’t pay much more than this proposed $9 minimum. Anyone offered a job in the $25K-$30K range is only making $12-$15 an hour. Then the difference in wages may still have to go towards paying back student loans?
Young college grads are going to feel royally screwed.

lynncgb on March 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Raising the minimum wage doesn’t just affect the entry-level employees. It raises payroll for everyone.
A friend runs a chain of lube shops. Employs 60 people. A handful are minimum wage workers, usually right out of high school. So the minimum wage goes above $9 an hour. Now the guys who make $8 an hour need a raise to $10, the guys who make $9 need a raise to $11, the guys at $10, need a raise up to $12, and on up the chain.

So,voila! Payroll just increased 35%.

You cannot pay somebody who just walked in and has no skills more than the guys who have been there for years. You cannot pay the guy who’s been there for a year more than the guy that’s been there 5 years, etc.

I’ve read, even on conservative outlets, that minimum wage workers are “only” a few percent of the workforce, so,big deal. But it doesn’t only affect them.

If labor is ballparky 1/3 of the cost of business (1/3 labor, 1/3 materials, 1/3 overhead and profit) then the price of the goods sold must increase 10%.

If you are retired, with $100,000 to live on, your money is now worth $90,000 because of 10% inflation in just one year!

Add in the costs of Obamacare to a greater than 50 employee shop to this and prices WILL be going up.

It’s all bad.

Allahs vulva on March 8, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Any high school graduate who can only get a minimum wage job represents a failure of the education system. This needs to be emphasized over and over.

Therefore I propose that the extra $1.75/hr for these minimum wage earners be 100% paid by an increase in teachers union dues for teachers at the high school he/she graduated from.

Those adults who don’t have a high school diploma/GED (dropouts) and are not actively pursuing one should be excluded from minimum wage eligibility.

Rich H on March 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Please fight the increase wingnuts! Corporate profits & the Dow at record highs yet you want people working full-time to still live in poverty so profits can get even higher. Party of the Rich much???!!!

DBear on March 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Was that sarcasm or just honest ignorance?

The economic repercussions of raising the minimum wage, we’ve discussed before. To sum up:

1) The additional buying power for those whose wages are increased lasts only as long as it takes for the corresponding employer costs to be distributed throughout the product/service pipeline.

2) In the end, the actual result of raising the minimum wage is currency devaluation.

3) The perceived long-term additional buying power that the employee experiences is in fact nonexistent except in relation to those who did not get a raise in pay. Those people still make the same number of dollars per pay period, but each dollar now buys less.

And…
As for the stock market’s climb, there’s no surprise there. It should be climbing every day (more than it currently is) just to keep even pace with the devalued dollar. How is it being devalued? By the Congress borrowing money from your grandkids and letting Treasury print trillions more.

Same amount of work performed.
Twice as many dollars printed.
Each dollar now worth half.
Get it?

ROCnPhilly on March 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Does anyone NOT think that moving the minimum wage up will be MUCH more attractive to illegals?

Right now they are coming for $7.25 an hour. $9! $10! hey, now! Time to held to El Norte.

And…again, I ask, WHAT DO KIDS who can’t get my order right at the drive through, DO to deserve a 24% RAISE??

originalpechanga on March 8, 2013 at 10:43 AM

My company has three minimum wage, uneducated janitors. If I have to kick them up to $9.00 per hour, what will I do? I will fire one and make the remaining two work harder. Unlike Obama and Bernanke, I cannot print money. And I am not about to $9.00 per hour (plus tax overhead, etc.) to someone who has not finished high school and can barely read.

Colony14 on March 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM

I won’t be getting a 25% raise this year.

All that crap from my teachers and parents about learning a good trade and what not must have been complete hooey.

I feel so disillusioned right now. Somebody hold me…

Oxymoron on March 8, 2013 at 11:36 AM

When you raise the minimum wage for people working in the lowest skill level, easiest to qualify for jobs with the greatest possible labor pool, you do – without a doubt – benefit those earning that wage. But as we have repeatedly pointed out, you drive up the labor costs for the primarily smaller business outlets who rely on this labor, offering a disincentive to hire and, quite likely, a cause to let some people go to keep costs down. You also drive up the cost of basic services and products which employers must charge to break even. But that’s not the entire picture I’m asking you to consider today.

The biggest problem is that when you raise the minimum wage, it is the people who are not yet working that pay the biggest price. Someone just graduating high school with no work experience might be profitable to hire at $7.25 but not at $9.00. It makes getting that first job harder.

Also, only 5% of workers earning minimum wage are “making a living” at that job. Most making the minimum wage are working part time or have other sources of income (such as someone still living at home). Less than 1% are trying to support a family on that wage. So we are going to harm 99% to help a straw man 1%?

crosspatch on March 8, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Please fight the increase wingnuts! Corporate profits & the Dow at record highs yet you want people working full-time to still live in poverty so profits can get even higher. Party of the Rich much???!!!

DBear on March 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM

I don’t care. Obama is awesome!

and douchebear is still an idiot.

Solaratov on March 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I manage a chain restaurant deep in flyover country. The only people who make less that $10 an hour are a couple of day hosts an a couple of illegals that wash dishes.

If you want to help my employees repeal obamacare so they can work more than 30 hours.

jhffmn on March 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Math is hard.

We are the 71%!

DethMetalCookieMonst on March 8, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Well, terrific. So after failing the certification test at my last hope for a professional job, this pretty much guarantees that I won’t be able to get any job, anywhere, for any wage, for any company. When the min-wage gets jacked up it will jack up everything else on the lower rungs. At this rate we really might see robotized fast-food places.

Too bad conservatives don’t really care about job creation or young people who aren’t their own children; there is literally nowhere else to turn. And liberals care even LESS about both groups (propaganda aside), which is nothing short of an amazing feat.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

and douchebear is still an idiot.

Solaratov on March 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

What do you have against idiots? Idiots are born that way. Dbear has made itself that way.

chemman on March 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Too bad conservatives don’t really care about job creation or young people who aren’t their own children;

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

What are you talking about?

chemman on March 8, 2013 at 12:36 PM

All that crap from my teachers and parents about learning a good trade and what not must have been complete hooey.

I feel so disillusioned right now. Somebody hold me…

Oxymoron on March 8, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Have an internet hug. I know exactly how you feel and then some. There literally is no longer a measurable benefit to working, honesty, or being a law-abiding citizen, except if you mind the company.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM

What are you talking about?

chemman on March 8, 2013 at 12:36 PM

The absolute most you do is spout unhelpful platitudes or point people toward places that are supposedly hiring anyone (which aren’t).

Let me put it this way: if I were standing on the corner with a sign saying “Please hire me”, a liberal would roll up in his ethanol-fueled “bug” and tell me where the nearest welfare office was. A conservative would roll down the window of his SUV and yell “get a job!” as he/she sped past.

So many young people are voting for liberals because a guaranteed welfare check beats the hell out of empty promises and false hope. (not me, btw, I’m not there even now.)

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM

I never had a minimum wage job that stayed minimum wage for more than a few months, if you’re making minimum wage chances are it’s because you leave jobs quickly (and let’s be honest, that’s why most low paying jobs are low paying, because they’re not very good jobs and they have high turnover) or because you’re just not a very good worker. Sure, you might run across a bad employer who simply won’t reward hard work, but most likely the problem is you.

clearbluesky on March 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM

clearbluesky on March 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Things are getting to the point where it’s increasingly hard to “break out” because your employer literally cannot justify it. And this increase will only make things worse.

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

I never had a minimum wage job that stayed minimum wage for more than a few months, if you’re making minimum wage chances are it’s because you leave jobs quickly (and let’s be honest, that’s why most low paying jobs are low paying, because they’re not very good jobs and they have high turnover) or because you’re just not a very good worker. Sure, you might run across a bad employer who simply won’t reward hard work, but most likely the problem is you.

clearbluesky on March 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM

I think the only job I had that was minimum wage was my first job. I was sixteen and it was floor help at a Walmart-like department store. “Yes, ma’am, lightbulbs are on Aisle 7.” I thought the boss was a crab-ass, but looking back now, he just had little patience for laziness.

CurtZHP on March 8, 2013 at 1:23 PM

MelonCollie on March 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

I hear ya, it’s been a while since i was in the minimum wage market but that was my experience when i was.

CurtZHP on March 8, 2013 at 1:23 PM

I was in the work program in high school (half day school, half day work) and had a couple minimum wage jobs during that time (and one after high school) It was a fun program, i don’t know if schools still do it or not though.

clearbluesky on March 8, 2013 at 1:32 PM

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